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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On November 03 2015 04:06 kitaman27 wrote: Are you satisfied with the response Rels gave? The topic got dropped after this post. Not really, but it seems like a lot of people dropped off after this. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 03 2015 04:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: Not really, but it seems like a lot of people dropped off after this. If I understand correctly, you feel that the rayn vs Rels interaction makes rayn look bad because of how he reacted in past games, but you also feel that Rels looks bad based on his sudden shift in opinion. Are you entertaining a scenario where there was a scum to scum interaction between rayn and Rels earlier on or if not, which behavior seems more town to you? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Here is his read list from what I gathered. Basically all town and null reads. Xatalos - Obviously town reads himself Half the Sky - Strong town read On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote: Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. raynpelikoneet - Strong town read On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote: rayn has been very focused on finding townreads, something I think fits better with his town meta and is perhaps more useful in this game than finding a scum. Superbia - Town read, though a tier below the previous ones. Questions the initial push, but seems content with him for the most part. On November 03 2015 00:54 Xatalos wrote: Hm..... I think HtS/rayn/Superbia has a decent chance of being Spy-free. It would be worth considering at least. On November 03 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote: Well, I don't think Superbia's later posts were bad either. He somewhat decently explained his reason for the initial scumread on me and then townread me for a good reason too Rels - Null, though this sounds more like townie null On November 03 2015 00:05 Xatalos wrote: Hm.. I'd maybe put Rels into the null pile. I think his explanations somewhat made sense, and he's actively doing stuff (even if he can be active as scum, it's still easier to be a little less active than that as scum). Otherwise it seemed generally okay. Artanis[Xp] - Null/No shared opinion? ShoCkeyy - Null/No shared opinion? sicklucker - Null kitaman27 - Scum read for lack of interaction at start of the game. Hasn't elaborated much about me since then. From his position knowing that there are three anti-town players, it seems like he isn't really suspicious of anyone aside from me, especially considering that he has so many posts already. I know that I'm probably biased considering that I'm the only one he seems to think is a spy, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory to me. He seems quite content with the status quo. On November 02 2015 23:52 Xatalos wrote: Well, tbh I might take rayn and Superbia with me as well right now. Not because they're super town, but because there aren't that many good options. I hope that situation fixes itself. I know from my perspective, I wouldn't be so willing to pass along the nominations if I don't have a great idea of where the bad guys might be. Right now it seems more like a process of elimination based on the lack of posts from the null players. Considering we can have several more cycles to get that part sorted out, I'm concerned about his willingness to rush things along so long as he is included in the nomination. I still don't think I've spotted an alternative to super/xat that I'd be satisfied with yet though. It seems that I have the opposite problem than xat. Most people are coming off as untrustworthy/null, rather than the other way around  | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On November 03 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote: If I understand correctly, you feel that the rayn vs Rels interaction makes rayn look bad because of how he reacted in past games, but you also feel that Rels looks bad based on his sudden shift in opinion. Are you entertaining a scenario where there was a scum to scum interaction between rayn and Rels earlier on or if not, which behavior seems more town to you? Not entertaining anything. I still find Rels on a townsie side of things, but his recent shift towards rayn in these last hours have made me just question what his thought process through out the game has been. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Xatalos
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JudgeJudy
188 Posts
On November 03 2015 05:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: Kita what are your thoughts on me so far? On November 02 2015 23:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: He can get angry as town too, haven't never seen him play as town. I'm just basing it off my previous game with him, which is why I rather not have him on the first mission. Initially I found this post a bit scummy. You acknowledge Xata's point that rayn can display similar behavior as both mafia and town, yet you still choose to conclude mafia while stating that you haven't played with him as town. If you are making a meta read, yet don't put in effort to understand the town meta, then you're relying on a single data point, rather than a trend. Otherwise, I don't see a ton that stands out one way or the other. I can sympathize with not having a ton of strong town reads and not wanting to come to conclusions about posts that really don't seem to matter, though it's difficult to come to an opinion on you with only two main talking points so far. Rels stuff seems reasonable, but it would be nice to see you jump in on more topics as time goes on. I'd expect to hopefully see a few more confident reads in the next day or two. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 03 2015 05:31 JudgeJudy wrote: Initially I found this post a bit scummy. You acknowledge Xata's point that rayn can display similar behavior as both mafia and town, yet you still choose to conclude mafia while stating that you haven't played with him as town. If you are making a meta read, yet don't put in effort to understand the town meta, then you're relying on a single data point, rather than a trend. Otherwise, I don't see a ton that stands out one way or the other. I can sympathize with not having a ton of strong town reads and not wanting to come to conclusions about posts that really don't seem to matter, though it's difficult to come to an opinion on you with only two main talking points so far. Rels stuff seems reasonable, but it would be nice to see you jump in on more topics as time goes on. I'd expect to hopefully see a few more confident reads in the next day or two. Eh sorry in advance. For some silly reason I can only log into TL using my smurf account. I can log into LiquidLegends under my normal account, but that doesn't have the filter options, which is why I keep switching between the two. I'll try to do a better job to preview first XD | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 03 2015 05:15 Xatalos wrote: Well kita, you even quoted the reason for my focus... That finding town in this game might be more useful than finding scum. Of course figuring out the Spies is always useful, but it'll get easier with vote analysis and mission results, whereas here the main goal is to figure out who to send on a mission. At least in IRL Resistance we mostly focused on establishing "clear" or at least semi-clear town. Perhaps, but right now it seems like you are grouping players into "clear" and "null". With most of the null players having very few posts, the main criteria for whether or not a player is "clear" seems to be whether or not they are active. It's a free pass for spies to show up, make a few reasonable posts, and get away with being trusted for a couple hours of posts. I'd rather have more time to sort the players like Artanis, SL, Shockeyy, etc. into "clear"/"spy" buckets before going ahead and relying on mission result analysis when it is so important to get the first one right. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 03 2015 05:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: Kita what are your thoughts on me so far? Your turn now. What are you thoughts on me so far? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
I guess it wouldn't really hurt to consider it for a couple of cycles. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On November 03 2015 00:46 Half the Sky wrote: I'm feeling better about Xata but not as good as with Super/rayn On November 03 2015 02:43 Half the Sky wrote: Read Xata. Could swap Superbia out for him. I'll sit on this. Current: raynpelikoneet/Superbia/myself 1st alt: Xata/rayn/myself On November 03 2015 03:17 Half the Sky wrote: I'm putting in my alternative. I'll evaluate when I'm sorted at home. ##nominate: Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky What triggered the swap here? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:43 Half the Sky wrote: Here again. Read Xata. Could swap Superbia out for him. I'll sit on this. Current: raynpelikoneet/Superbia/myself 1st alt: Xata/rayn/myself 2nd alt: TBD Going through Rels again, then Kita/Artanis/Shockey. On November 03 2015 03:02 Half the Sky wrote: Read through Kita's filter again. Most of his questions were answered or appeared so. So many questions, so few conclusions. Where do you stand on everyone now? And my proposed lineups? So you went though my posts and didn't feel the need to post anything ? | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On November 03 2015 03:15 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission. That post hits me as super townie. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On November 03 2015 03:18 Half the Sky wrote: .......annnddddddd that didn't bold for some reason on mobile. ##nominate: Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky Hoping there'll be more to work with when I'm home. Until later lovelies... Unless HTS can change my read on her tomorrow, I'll reject this team. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On November 03 2015 05:46 kitaman27 wrote: Your turn now. What are you thoughts on me so far? I actually liked your post about me and at least showed some logical reasoning behind it. That definitely gives you townsie points. Your posts seem like they come off very town as well. There's nothing in your posts atm that screams mafia. Everything you write seems very well thought out as well, something you normally don't see. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On November 03 2015 04:50 kitaman27 wrote: I don't think I'm comfortable with Xatalos just yet. Here is his read list from what I gathered. Basically all town and null reads. Xatalos - Obviously town reads himself Half the Sky - Strong town read raynpelikoneet - Strong town read Superbia - Town read, though a tier below the previous ones. Questions the initial push, but seems content with him for the most part. Rels - Null, though this sounds more like townie null Artanis[Xp] - Null/No shared opinion? ShoCkeyy - Null/No shared opinion? sicklucker - Null kitaman27 - Scum read for lack of interaction at start of the game. Hasn't elaborated much about me since then. From his position knowing that there are three anti-town players, it seems like he isn't really suspicious of anyone aside from me, especially considering that he has so many posts already. I know that I'm probably biased considering that I'm the only one he seems to think is a spy, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory to me. He seems quite content with the status quo. I know from my perspective, I wouldn't be so willing to pass along the nominations if I don't have a great idea of where the bad guys might be. Right now it seems more like a process of elimination based on the lack of posts from the null players. Considering we can have several more cycles to get that part sorted out, I'm concerned about his willingness to rush things along so long as he is included in the nomination. I still don't think I've spotted an alternative to super/xat that I'd be satisfied with yet though. It seems that I have the opposite problem than xat. Most people are coming off as untrustworthy/null, rather than the other way around Pretty cool find! Xatalos definitely looked for scumreads in the vanilla game. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On November 03 2015 05:31 JudgeJudy wrote: Initially I found this post a bit scummy. You acknowledge Xata's point that rayn can display similar behavior as both mafia and town, yet you still choose to conclude mafia while stating that you haven't played with him as town. If you are making a meta read, yet don't put in effort to understand the town meta, then you're relying on a single data point, rather than a trend. Otherwise, I don't see a ton that stands out one way or the other. I can sympathize with not having a ton of strong town reads and not wanting to come to conclusions about posts that really don't seem to matter, though it's difficult to come to an opinion on you with only two main talking points so far. Rels stuff seems reasonable, but it would be nice to see you jump in on more topics as time goes on. I'd expect to hopefully see a few more confident reads in the next day or two. Just seeing that name is making me mad again. =X | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
This post in particular is incredibly loaded with your own interpretation, and it really feels like you're driving an agenda here (i.e. to scum-push me): On November 02 2015 22:34 Rels wrote: I find this super convenient. Superbia started by scumreading Xata for the nightmare thing, which is understandable. Then there was the "is it still nightmarish ?" "kinda" "now that you've said it's not nightmarish anymore ..." scumread which was super weird. And now that rayn thinks Xata is town for meta, suddenly Xata is town for Superbia too, and I have TMI on him. Let's break this apart into two pieces: 1. My secondary post on the whole nightmare-ish part is putting into words what I had already expected to have been inside Xatalos' head- that he did not believe it is a "nightmare" for scum. I have explained this. 2. Your TMI has nothing to do with my read on Xatalos whatsoever. The blatant fucking fact is that you are evaluating me for interactions with Xatalos without giving a read on Xatalos. What if he's mafia? Does that change anything for your read on me? Side note. You exclaim that me beginning to lean town on Xatalos is super convient. In what way? If I am scum, what am I achieving here? Keep in mind that you still have no read on Xatalos (right?). So in what way is me, calling a null for you, super convenient? Rels, kindly answer the bolded questions and the following: - Please explain, in detail, how what you perceived to be my push on Xatalos makes me mafia. - How was my explanation on the matter inadequate? What did not make sense? I think there was something else I wanted to ask but I forgot. Maybe I'll remember it later. | ||
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