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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:16 GMT
#3198
On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.

On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

##vote Gb


sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you,



On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.

On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.


You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.


Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks.


On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

your move scummers : D


On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb

I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his.


Quotes for what I've wrote.



On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
In case I die
If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BH

Gumshoe you guys know why.

BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum


Did you read what I've brought on him?


not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito


On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read?
Point out what is wrong on what I've brought.


yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game



I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie.


Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!!


Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky????
Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)?
Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway??

I will counter-question you:

Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ?
Simply as this.


Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:31 GMT
#3212
On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.

On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

##vote Gb


sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you,



On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.

On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.


You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.


Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks.


On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

your move scummers : D


On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb

I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his.


Quotes for what I've wrote.



On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
In case I die
If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BH

Gumshoe you guys know why.

BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum


Did you read what I've brought on him?


not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito


On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read?
Point out what is wrong on what I've brought.


yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game



I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie.


Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!!


Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky????
Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)?
Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway??

I will counter-question you:

Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ?
Simply as this.


Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure.


MY

GOD

XATALOS.

MY GOD.

Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all?


Didn't really bother reading it yet when gumshoe is so obviously town this game...
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:33 GMT
#3213
On October 30 2015 07:24 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 30 2015 06:50 Vivax wrote:
Xata get your vote on GB PLEASE


I mean, I could write up a whole case, but dis should be enough. Basically hands in the cookie jar / :


Lol :D Indeed I did think for a bit that if GB is town, then that's pretty bad... But that's only if GB is town.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:40 GMT
#3216
How about comparing the D2/D3 voting behaviours? Any interesting stuff when they're compared to each other with the assumptions of GB being town/scum?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:40 GMT
#3217
hmmm...
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:42 GMT
#3219
Well tbh I think ritoky is cleared with Onegu's flip UNLESS he's been very set on bussing Onegu from the start... I mean, he didn't really hesitate much on either D1 or D3 to jump on Onegu.... A bit hard to believe the ritoky/Onegu team..
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:43 GMT
#3221
I'm not quite sure if scum would have wanted to double lynch on D2. Why not keep an easy mislynch around? hm....
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:45 GMT
#3222
Actually yeah, I at least wouldn't mislynch GB in that situation.... Because it would look pretty bad for you if you were the one hammering him and he flipped town, and he'd probably be very easy to mislynch in the future regardless... So I don't think that point holds BH...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:48 GMT
#3225
On October 30 2015 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
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On October 30 2015 07:42 Xatalos wrote:
Well tbh I think ritoky is cleared with Onegu's flip UNLESS he's been very set on bussing Onegu from the start... I mean, he didn't really hesitate much on either D1 or D3 to jump on Onegu.... A bit hard to believe the ritoky/Onegu team..


ritoky jumping ship from his traditional GB read when he could have stayed on it means he's not scum unless GB is.


True... If GB is town, ritoky is very likely town, because it would have been so easy to just stay on GB. Hard to believe that ritoky would abandon that chance to bring the game to LYLO. (still not 100% since this would give him a great lot of credibility, but very likely town anyway)
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:50 GMT
#3226
On October 30 2015 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
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On October 30 2015 07:45 Xatalos wrote:
Actually yeah, I at least wouldn't mislynch GB in that situation.... Because it would look pretty bad for you if you were the one hammering him and he flipped town, and he'd probably be very easy to mislynch in the future regardless... So I don't think that point holds BH...


Right, but then we're going into 5-3 MYLO. Like, remember that at the time I was literally shenannying onto GB from yamato. There was a shenanny happening. Tons of people said "I think GB is scum, but I'm afraid yamato won't get modkilled. It's fine if he dies though." I think scum would have hammered. Think about what the thread was like in those moments-- don't just recall teh vote pattern, but the way things were happening and what was going on in-thread. One more vote on Bh's shenanny, that variosu people supported, wouldn't make you suspicions at all. I think scum would have done it.


I guess it's possible... But still not certain. The main benefit would be forcing town's hand by refusing them another "free" mislynch, I guess.... And limiting the amount of time the game would continue and information would accumulate.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:53 GMT
#3232
On October 30 2015 07:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:50 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:45 Xatalos wrote:
Actually yeah, I at least wouldn't mislynch GB in that situation.... Because it would look pretty bad for you if you were the one hammering him and he flipped town, and he'd probably be very easy to mislynch in the future regardless... So I don't think that point holds BH...


Right, but then we're going into 5-3 MYLO. Like, remember that at the time I was literally shenannying onto GB from yamato. There was a shenanny happening. Tons of people said "I think GB is scum, but I'm afraid yamato won't get modkilled. It's fine if he dies though." I think scum would have hammered. Think about what the thread was like in those moments-- don't just recall teh vote pattern, but the way things were happening and what was going on in-thread. One more vote on Bh's shenanny, that variosu people supported, wouldn't make you suspicions at all. I think scum would have done it.


I guess it's possible... But still not certain. The main benefit would be forcing town's hand by refusing them another "free" mislynch, I guess.... And limiting the amount of time the game would continue and information would accumulate.


Eh, maybe I'm misreading the situation but it looks to me like, if GB really IS town, there's a free mislynch there for scum to pick up at no cost.


I mean... If town GB was mislynched immediately, it would bring the game straight into MYLO. Town would no longer have the leisure to screw around, every day would have to be a scum lynch. Which is a lot harder I guess.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:55 GMT
#3233
On October 30 2015 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 07:51 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:48 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:45 Xatalos wrote:
Actually yeah, I at least wouldn't mislynch GB in that situation.... Because it would look pretty bad for you if you were the one hammering him and he flipped town, and he'd probably be very easy to mislynch in the future regardless... So I don't think that point holds BH...


Right, but then we're going into 5-3 MYLO. Like, remember that at the time I was literally shenannying onto GB from yamato. There was a shenanny happening. Tons of people said "I think GB is scum, but I'm afraid yamato won't get modkilled. It's fine if he dies though." I think scum would have hammered. Think about what the thread was like in those moments-- don't just recall teh vote pattern, but the way things were happening and what was going on in-thread. One more vote on Bh's shenanny, that variosu people supported, wouldn't make you suspicions at all. I think scum would have done it.


You need to also consider where scum was positioned day 2 : P I know hopeless was null on gb, wouldnt be too easy for him to hammer without getting wreked.


Ah, good point. We have the possibility, for example, that scum hopeless is just playing this like SUPER duper slow and wants to lurk all game and not get lynched. Many people are still opposed to an H1 lynch, even now.

Also he may not have even been around. I don't think that guy is even reading the thread tbh


Yeah. I at least know that if I was scum in that situation, I probably wouldn't vote for town GB. So that's not really a reason to clear me... But perhaps it could be for others? Hard to say.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 22:56 GMT
#3234
I guess it depends on if they could reasonably get away with the town flip, yeah. Like if they already scumread him.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 23:41 GMT
#3242
On October 30 2015 08:19 GlowingBear wrote:
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On October 30 2015 07:31 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:10 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 07:07 GlowingBear wrote:
I want EVERY player to comment on these posts. This may be hammering the team.

On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


On October 30 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 28 2015 14:55 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

##vote Gb


sorry gb ) : I dont have a good way to clear you anymore, it's on you,



On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.

On October 28 2015 15:48 gumshoe wrote:
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On October 28 2015 15:29 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:28 gumshoe wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:26 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 28 2015 15:12 gumshoe wrote:
Basically theres no lynch I can propose that can clear your name like yams would, and theres no argument (that I havent already brought up) that would sway the people who want your head. I know it sucks to be the patzi but at this point your a liability to town ) :

If you can sway them to lynch onegu or hopeless or convince them why your town, by all means do that, but at this point I cant do that for you and I'm not going to be arguing with chrom and ritoky for the next 3 days when it is still possible that you could be mafia and im just blind.


So how do you read Onegu and Hopeless?


scum, what else? Scummier than you by far in my op.


You'll also be discussing them in the next 3 days, so I don't understand why are you complying with lynching me now at this point.


Cause people I know are townies want you dead / : sure your way townier than hopeless and onegu, but nowhere near as townie as chrom or ritoky or bh or xat. So yeah, I dont paticularly care if you die cause I'm not lynching them / : and were going to have to lynch you eventually anyways. So unless theres some paticular reason why you need to live through the next 2 days when your probally gonna die on the third, I dont really care. Town wont be able to seriusly consider someone outside you three till you three are dead. so dems the braks.


On October 29 2015 02:22 gumshoe wrote:
##unvote

your move scummers : D


On October 30 2015 01:12 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote gb

I dont like the tone of his last posts / : the logic hes proposing is just so bad, paticularly bad considering hes one of the first to jump on your dick if you use "wifom'. I'm not sure a townie wouldn't realize how unconvincing they are with arguments like his.


Quotes for what I've wrote.



On October 30 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
In case I die
If you guys lynch Onegu tomorrow and he flips mafia: scum team is Onegu/gumshoe/BH

Gumshoe you guys know why.

BH because he was always bringing reasons to call me town but he was wishy washy throghout the game. Then he decided I am mafia with Onegu. When I bring the case on gumshoe, he does everything to dismiss it when the association clearly points out to gumshoe being mafia with Onegu. Here is the proof BH has been dismissing my case without even reading it:

+ Show Spoiler +
On October 30 2015 06:11 Blazinghand wrote:
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On October 30 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:01 gumshoe wrote:
On October 30 2015 05:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, so it seems I'm dead today.

Some thoughts for you:

IF Onegu is mafia, gumshoe is always mafia with him. It should be pretty telling to you that gumshoe was strong townreading me, then decided to vote me to follow his townreads, but when I confronted him he decided to simply "Unvote" while still scumreading Onegu. Then he decided to vote me again over TONE LOL. Now he is voting Onegu, but just when the lynch is secured on me (he voted Onegu when I've reached majority with 5 votes). This is fucking scummy.

BUT if Onegu turns out to be town, gumshoe is always town because there is no reason to do so
many scummy moves when the main two wagons are town.

I will expand on this in a couple of minutes. But for me, gumshoe and Onegu are always mafia. I don't know how Vivax could fit in this team, tho.


i am trying to save your life right now you ungrateful shmuk : P chills out.


No you're not, and you're mafia. If for some reason I miraculously survibe and Onegu flips red, I hope you are prepared.


haha what?? are you serious

gumshoe is top town second only to me. he's been solving this game and working with people, writing cases and analyzing in a SUPER on point way (except with that weird rayn kill rationalization) all game. no way anyone can keep that up as scum


Did you read what I've brought on him?


not really, I don't feel like lynching him (and there's no way it's happening today). Furthemore, you're probably scum. I've mostly been interested in getting 1gu lynched but I'll take a look at it overnight and make thoughts if you really care. That's a promise. I can't even get how he'd be scum and do all this good work, but maybe your case explains that. It's certainly no loss to me to do some extra reading, I think we got this wrapped up like a chicken burrito


On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
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On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


On October 30 2015 06:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:37 Xatalos wrote:
On October 30 2015 06:32 GlowingBear wrote:
PLEASE READ

~ If ONEGU is MAFIA

Then gumshoe is 100% mafia.

1) Gumshoe started strong townreading me when I was under heavy suspicions. He took every piece of evidence he could find to call me town.
Then, today, he decided to vote me. His excuse was "I had to go" because all of his townies were suspecting me and he couldn't waste another day of discussion.
The problem here is: he was also scumreading Onegu way before and his townreads were putting ME and ONEGU as obvious scum partners. If he thought I was town before, wouldn't it be better if he asked his townreads to vote me since, well, THEY WERE ALL SCUMREADING ONEGU AND ONEGU WAS ALREADY A COUNTER WAGON?

This makes no sense under a town perspective. If I have someone I'm at least not sure is town or mafia and if I have someone that I am scumreading since way before, who would I vote? Obviously the scum read.

The excuse that his townreads were scumreading me and that they couldn't waste more discussion on me is bullshit because his townreads were also scumreading Onegu and whoever survives from the team they've made will also have to be discussed on later days. It simply doesn't make sense.

2) When I've confronted gumshoe, he decided to respond it with an UNVOTE.

WITH. AN. UNVOTE.

Let me tell you again.

His townreads had me and onegu as mafia. He decided to vote me who he thought was town. When I confront him, he gets convinced I shouldn't be voted. But instead of going against Onegu, he UNVOTES without voting HIS OWN SCUMREAD which is SHARED WITH HIS TOWNREADS. WHY?

3) Then he decides to vote me because he didn't like my tone.
This guy is simply saying that after ALL THE EVIDENCE, after ALL THE POSTS HE QUOTED FROM ME to call me town, he thinks I am mafia out of a TONE READ. Again, why not voting Onegu?

4) When I reach majority with 5 votes, he finally decided to vote Onegu. In other words, he only votes his scumread when his former townread is dying anyways.

There is no way gumshoe isn't mafia with Onegu.

But in the case he is...


~ If ONEGU is TOWN

Then gumshoe is 100% town because there is no way he does all these scummy things with both wagons being town.


Well if gumshoe ends up being scum, he really deserves a nomination for best plays of 2015 and the win :D


Don't pay attention to this but if 1G flips scum: GB and 1G are scum and Gummie is town, GB trying to cast suspicion on Gummie for some reaosn

Of course this is all unflipped association that should not be paid attention to


The problem is: I'm talking about flipped association. Care to read what I asked you to read?
Point out what is wrong on what I've brought.


yeah yeah chill out bro we're lynching 1G today anyways. Almost certainly he's gonna flip scum, and then you're gonna make some kind of asslike push on Gumshoe in an attempt to "look townie", then we lynch you and H1 and win the game



I could be wrong on BH though and be OMGUSing right now. But I find hard to believe he would try to dismiss my "please read" so hard + I find hard to believe he would believe that day3 wagons were both mafia with no other scum trying to form a wagon on a townie.


Could you explain how scum gumshoe does the work to save you in the end? If he actually was scum, he would see that you're right, and you'd be a huge danger tomorrow. Instead, he chooses to bus scum Onegu???!!!


Onegu could hammer if it wasn't for ritoky????
Bussing Onegu delivers town cred (like the one you're giving gumshoe now)?
Bussing Onegu is okay because he was already looking bad and he would die at some point anyway??

I will counter-question you:

Why would you vote on A TOWN READ instead of a SCUM READ?
Simply as this.


Hm... Well, honestly, gumshoe had already said repeatedly that you were more of a null and unreliable regardless - forced lynch, kind of. I also entertained your lynch many times even though I thought you were more likely town than Onegu. But I'm glad he flipped scum now and we extended our playtime. Harder for scum to endure the extended pressure.


MY

GOD

XATALOS.

MY GOD.

Did you read what I've wrote? I mean, at all?


Didn't really bother reading it yet when gumshoe is so obviously town this game...


Xata.

Go.

And read.


I guess it's a possible tinfoil theory that he banked on ritoky not switching and you getting lynched because he unvoted and revoted (to give GB the edge with earlier 4 votes)...

But it's really quite tinfoily. I also don't think he would have gone to the effort of convincing people not to double lynch you on D2, or overall defend you so much, if you were town and he was scum. It would simply have been so easy to defend you slightly less, or not to convince people to spare you on D2 deadline, and you would be dead just like that... Giving him great credibility after defending you so much, and getting easily rid of one townie he would have difficulties lynching comfortably. But he did everything he could so that you were ultimately saved D2. On D3 he hesitated (understandably, because his previous strongest read was wrong) but still ended up saving you again.

I just don't think there's much scum motivation to go to such great efforts to save you on D2, then waffle on you D3. Well, I guess you could say that the difference could be Onegu's life on the line.... But truly, there was no saving Onegu anyway (he'd just go next after you) so why not just proceed like usual?

What's more, I had pretty much the same thoughts as gumshoe at the last hours. I considered voting for you many times. I just didn't end up ultimately doing so.... But he did, briefly.

In any case, gumshoe has been pretty much contributing the largest amount of actually helpful posts in the game.... And you can see that he's really constantly trying to figure the game out. If he's scum, he deserves to win IMO. We can't waste our last remaining mislynch on him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 23:44 GMT
#3245
I have a hard time believing it, but maybe the scumteam could be something like hopeless/Vivax/Onegu after all.....? Because if GB is town, Vivax has been basically pushing town all the time, and even tried to desperately save Onegu last deadline... But that's just a theory at this point. A game theory.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 23:52 GMT
#3246
Well... At least teams like Vivax/GB or ritoky/Onegu hardly make any sense.... But I guess hopeless makes sense with any team so he could be a safe lynch tomorrow...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 23:54 GMT
#3247
So yeah, if I die, I guess a good guide would be:

1) Lynch hopeless
2) If he flips scum, lynch Vivax/GB
3) If he flips town, lynch.... what?? :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 23:56 GMT
#3248
Uh.... If hopeless flips town, I'm not really sure what scum combination would make sense... not GB&Vivax... maybe GB/ritoky I guess? That could make some sense.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 23:57 GMT
#3249
Yeah, I guess this could work as a guide.

lynch hopeless();

if (hopeless == scum) {
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 29 2015 23:59 GMT
#3252
bah... EBWOP

lynch hopeless();

if (hopeless == scum) {
lynch GlowingBear AND Vivax;
else {
lynch GlowingBear AND ritoky;
}

That should end the game, most likely?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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