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deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 17:46:23
September 16 2015 17:44 GMT
#1441
Day 1 Votecount


MoosyDoosy (3): raynpelikoneet, Wile E. Coyote, Palmar, marvellosity
Cephiro (3): Koshi, Onegu, marvellosity, Koshi, Palmar, marvellosity, Koshi
marvellosity (1): Koshi, Onegu, justanothertownie, Koshi
Wile E. Coyote (1): MoosyDoosy
Palmar (1): geript
justanothertownie (0): Koshi, raynpelikoneet
Damdred (0): Onegu
geript (0): raynpelikoneet, Palmar

Not Voting (4): Cephiro, TheWarWaffle, Damdred, ritoky

Voting ends in at 21:30 GMT (+00:00).
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 16 2015 17:45 GMT
#1442
o0ooo exciting I'm gonna die~~
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 16 2015 17:46 GMT
#1443
On September 17 2015 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:08 marvellosity wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:07 geript wrote:
You can blame this on me and my business I'm sure isn't helping, but I really think at least 1 of the vet circle is mafia. I'm not mafia, and I don't think Palmer makes that read as mafia. I'm pretty sure Marv is town.

You can blame me afterwards if I'm wrong. Idc. But I'm really struggling to townread the people I usually have an easy time reading (Rayn/Damdred). IDc about JAT or Koshi as idk how to read them and cba to think about it currently.

But I'm really sure moosy/Tww are both town. I hopefully will be home ~1.5 hr prior to lynch but no promises as if we go long I'll be stck on phone. But please take a look at your reads on each other (I will too when I get back) because I think this lynch is spinning wrong and I can't figure out why I think that.

can you splain? or tell me you already did so i can go search for it.

like you/rayn have said so but i just don't get it. like i understand there are reasons that he *could* be town, i mentioned one myself, but i don't understand the certainty about it floating around

One of the vets is mafia.
Doesn't have a clear read on me/Damdred (both are obviously town).
Doesn't CARE to figure out if it is Koshi/JAT.

conclusion; rayn is most likely mafia from the vet circle.


Damdred do you have anything to say about this?


Just don't want to lynch geript even if what he says is strange. I might lynch idk probably better lynched today
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 16 2015 17:47 GMT
#1444
On September 17 2015 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm is Damdred actually mafia?

Is he finally on the table?
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
September 16 2015 17:48 GMT
#1445
On September 17 2015 02:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm is Damdred actually mafia?

Is he finally on the table?

I want to be on the table.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 16 2015 17:48 GMT
#1446
Because I might prefer lynching damdred over all the people in the poe list I posted earlier.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2015 17:54 GMT
#1447
On September 17 2015 02:46 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:08 marvellosity wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:07 geript wrote:
You can blame this on me and my business I'm sure isn't helping, but I really think at least 1 of the vet circle is mafia. I'm not mafia, and I don't think Palmer makes that read as mafia. I'm pretty sure Marv is town.

You can blame me afterwards if I'm wrong. Idc. But I'm really struggling to townread the people I usually have an easy time reading (Rayn/Damdred). IDc about JAT or Koshi as idk how to read them and cba to think about it currently.

But I'm really sure moosy/Tww are both town. I hopefully will be home ~1.5 hr prior to lynch but no promises as if we go long I'll be stck on phone. But please take a look at your reads on each other (I will too when I get back) because I think this lynch is spinning wrong and I can't figure out why I think that.

can you splain? or tell me you already did so i can go search for it.

like you/rayn have said so but i just don't get it. like i understand there are reasons that he *could* be town, i mentioned one myself, but i don't understand the certainty about it floating around

One of the vets is mafia.
Doesn't have a clear read on me/Damdred (both are obviously town).
Doesn't CARE to figure out if it is Koshi/JAT.

conclusion; rayn is most likely mafia from the vet circle.


Damdred do you have anything to say about this?


Just don't want to lynch geript even if what he says is strange. I might lynch idk probably better lynched today

The problem i have here with you is that you literally gave reasons why you think geript is mafia (one of your only scumreads at that time to be exact). Here:
On September 15 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:
Firstly I can back up most of my reads with some form of reasonable explanation even if people think they are bad to a point in pretty confident in the reads.

The geript scum read is interesting because he's acting oddly at this point. Usually when he's in a game with me he know he can read me rather well and has caught me as scum a couple times and can read me town generally well.

However he's not even waiting or trying to see if I can give some of my damdred town goodness that I am horrendous at faking. Instead he's content on disparaging my reads to a point and being content in saying he wants to lynch me.


He also is missing some of his normal flair which isn't really indicative

Especialyl the bolded part here.
Now this is what geript says later on:
I'm really struggling to townread the people I usually have an easy time reading (Rayn/Damdred).

and that's all.

Now, this literally goes directly against what you think he does as town. In fact this should strengthen your scumread on him, but instead you take him off your lynch pool.

What are these really townie things geript has done that override scummy.. and continuously acting in a way you think is scummy?
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 16 2015 17:55 GMT
#1448
I could also lynch Cephiro. There was this one post that seemed kinda honest to me early on but 90 % of his posts are about himself and once people started townreading him he just disappeared and only returned when he was being pushed again to complain about people pushing him. It doesn't seem like he is interested in finding or lynching mafia.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 16 2015 18:00 GMT
#1449
On September 17 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 01:33 geript wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:16 marvellosity wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 17 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:
oh

yeah, if cephiro is mafia it's probably mostly because he took a fairly universal townread on him and just sat on his ass with it.

Cephiro is mafia because when he is town he tries to find mafia, when he is mafia he is more interested in arguing why he isn't mafia and reading obvious townies town.

yes. although he can totes make posts like he has this game as town.
except there will also be more useful things, which is the rather important stuff we are missing.

If you read the SMB game Koshi posted a while ago the difference is huge. I know he occasionally makes posts like he has here as town, but when all of his posts are like that (remember Noir?) then he is scum.

Anyways he should be back later, at least he said he has some errands to run, then mafia, when i asked him to come play heroes earlier.

alright. i will trust you to work it out if/when he is here.

when i leave work in ~40 minutes my activity will be very spotty for the evening.

i wish we could agree more on moosy or you could find a way to explain things better to me so i get what you're getting at better.

Plz marv. Plz just trust me on this read. I tried to in part kinda bs a read on him to explain it slightly. But tbh part of what I've seen of his townplay is an early similarity to how I played town early. Over importance and confidence in his reads/worth to town. That's something that, like Prome said about me once, I think he would have a hard time replicating as scum.

are you quoting the wrong post?

Maybe just conflating ideas.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 16 2015 18:08 GMT
#1450
Yeah, so damdred is very wishy washy and inconclusive throughout his filter. Until his recent posts he just fell off completely and it doesn't really seem like he cares about getting his scumreads lynched or figuring them out.

Like he called me mafia all game for no reason, but did he ever question me? Did he ask me things or did he in any way try to figure me out? Nope.
Did he do it for Waffle who he is also calling mafia? Nope.

Then there is the fact that neither ritoky nor geript are townreading him which is very interesting. I think he is a decent lynch.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 16 2015 18:08 GMT
#1451
scott31337 is replacing TheWarWaffle
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 16 2015 18:09 GMT
#1452
Erm, ok...
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 16 2015 18:09 GMT
#1453
Ok, so I think I want to lynch between Cephiro and Damdred. Any recommendations? I have to leave in a few minutes :/
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 16 2015 18:12 GMT
#1454
On September 16 2015 18:12 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
Me thinking moosy is scummy is nothing new its in the thread. My top town also agreed at about the same time as me.

And yes math is very important on day 1 lynches. You hit mafia way less on day 1. So voting someone whos probably not a power role and the most likely to me to flip mafia is the easiest vote of my life


In my opinion, townies shouldn't be concerned with the power roles they possess anywhere else but in their mind. At most, you can try to distract mafia from finding them, but I don't see why a townie would ever want to bring up anything about someone being a power role or not. If you make a honest claim of not being one, that's a smaller pool for the mafia to search from. Fakeclaiming VT to get people off your back is a possibility, but I don't see why a power role would feel the necessity to do that on D1 if it's not a "everyone claims"-parade for whatever reason.

On September 15 2015 11:30 Wile E. Coyote wrote:

Palmer didnt say much he just trolled a bit and mentioned role pms which would have got him instantly mod killed on most sites lol. He also was the only one who seemed curious as to who I was. Im kind of suspicious of this. The "no your not vt" when someone claimed vt seemed kind of like a rolehunt. I had the same thought but im not gonna mention it and help mafia do there job


^ I feel this is fairly contradictory when taken the above quote into account? For someone not wanting to help mafia by talking about rolehunting, he sure pays a fair lot of attention to it.

On September 16 2015 18:41 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
I never acualy said I would do pro town things. I said me shutting up about a subject was pro town. Ill do what I wanna do on my own scedule


^ On your own schedule sure, but why the hell would you not do pro-town things?

On September 16 2015 20:10 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
when i am mafiai am not voting someone that is believed to be vt. Thats for damn sure im going after potential poweroles. I think if theres clear evidence im town its that im voting a claimed vt because i am not terrible.

In the format I play protecting power roles is super important and finding them as mafia is even more.

I have moosys range as vt/ lying about being vt for cheap newbie town reads.


So you wouldn't take a mislynch served on a platter as mafia? Calling bullshit on this. As much as I dislike VT claims early on, I would argue that voting for a VT claim does in absolutely no way make you town. If you think protecting power roles is important, then why the hell are you constantly bringing attention to people who have claimed vt and whether they've fakeclaimed or not?

Still got the last 15 pages or so to go through more in-depth, but I'm getting a fairly good idea of how I'd like to lynch today. Assuming nothing significant to change my mind comes up: Wile > JAT > marv/geript
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 16 2015 18:16 GMT
#1455
Wow guys, good talk. Thanks for being really helpful during all of this. I am gone, mabye I will be back before deadline maybe not. Good chance that I will be drunk if I am.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
September 16 2015 18:16 GMT
#1456
Okay guys I'm up to Page 21 - work today's been pretty busy but I'm going to try to catch up on the thread after lunch.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2015 18:17 GMT
#1457
Oh jesus christ cephiro....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2015 18:22 GMT
#1458
On September 17 2015 03:12 Cephiro wrote:
today. Assuming nothing significant to change my mind comes up: Wile > JAT > marv/geript

I'd like to hear why you think JAT/marv/geript is mafia.
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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 16 2015 18:30 GMT
#1459
Short ver while I'm catching up:

JAT mostly for reasons that have been brought up, as in producing mostly irrelevant content. Sure, he talks and asks stuff but so far it feels like he's being around for the sake of being around.

marv because even though he is "participating", it doesn't seem he's doing enough with the information he goes after. I mean, he asks a lot of questions and posts his opinions, but he doesn't really try to get anything done with it. He could be just trying to get a better read on the game as a whole, but I don't see him pushing for anything strongly enough to get something done. With his post quality and amount, I'd expect him to try to get something done with all the information he's gathering. So far I don't see that happening? If you compare it to your play for example, you have more nonsensical stuff in your filter that's irrelevant than he does, but you're much more actively pressuring your scumreads and trying to get shit done.

geript because half of his posts are absolutely irrelevant to the game, and the remainder feels like the level of I don't give a shit -commitment. As in, he talks about palmar meta like it's somehow significant.
I'm not saying meta is a thing that should never be used, but infuriates me when I see experienced mafia players here using it like "But player X has said hi as town in three games in a row, so if his first post isn't hi he has to be scum".

Seriously? Maybe I don't just understand you veterans metaing each other for the stupidest reasons ever and I'm the idiot, but that's honestly how I feel about most of your "meta" analysis towards each other.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 16 2015 18:31 GMT
#1460
can you give some examples of those?
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