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On September 23 2015 02:53 Cephiro wrote:


1) This happened to be the best time for me to post my thoughts on marv as I refused to do so earlier, it being irrelevant. What should I defend myself from? "Cephiro might be mafia because of his activity?" That's not even worth addressing, that's how bad of a case anyone thinking I'm scum is currently.

2) My read hasn't "conveniently changed" to marv or anything of the sort as you can point from my scarce posting history. I've been thinking he's a good lynch for a while, and I posted my reasons now that it's relevant and I had the time to do so. Or do you seriously think that me just joining in the wagon saying "Well we're voting marv anyway and I've said he's scum for a while now so I'll just roll with it", then fucking off would've been reasonable? I don't think so.

As a sidenote, I have to say I find it amusing what the "best" reasoning for considering me as potential mafia is so far.



I mean, just look at this. I gave the push up on wile so quickly? My vote stood on wile as long as it was feasible, and with people defending him (INCLUDING YOU, who told marv he did a very towny thing which marv just took for granted), I wasn't going to get him killed after trying a while. I ended up voting jat whom I felt was very scummy back then instead of voting for moosey. Sure, I didn't necessarily vote for my #1 scumread because I did not have the luxury of doing so. Voting so happens to be the greatest power I have this game, and wasting it by voting on someone who isn't going to get lynched is worse than voting for another scumread of yours that IS up for lynch.



And I stood on to what I said. Concerned about saving myself? Last time I checked, getting oneself killed isn't very much of a pro wincon move. You could argue that sacrificing oneself over a blue as a non-powerrole could be worth it in some scenarios, but for something that you can't be sure of, that's fairly far-fetched. So I didn't jump on the mislynch wagon, but changed my vote from #1 scumread to #2 scumread because it was getting clear we weren't getting my #1 scumread killed, but #2 had a chance of happening. Talk about being super concerned about myself and trying to get nothing done, right?

As wifom, I really don't understand how someone could imagine a marv/Ceph scumteam at this point. I mean I like to make big plays, but I'm not a fan of retarded plays (well, except when I'm town and get an idea that I believe is genius when it clearly isn't). If I was scum with my marv, why on earth would you assume I'd have bussed both my scumbuddies since the start of the game? Sure, it's well within my reach to do so, but even I'm not stupid enough to think that I'd come out on top of a 1v5+1 (one confirmed town, ritoky) starting N3. Especially as if you assume both me and marv to be scum, that would mean scott is confirmed town also. Which would mean I'd go into a 1v4+1conftown situation on D4. I'm sure I could get at least one mislynch even at that point if I was mafia, but two when the town has the option of no-lynching on D5 to make it a D6 1v2? Yeah, just no. Not with how much presence I've had in the game so far. I can also assure you that I'd never have approved of a Koshi kill if I was scum. I would've just gone for the actually confirmed town and discredited koshi, given roleblocking into mafia team itself is something I've done several times in the past. Marv may have easily left pursuing my lynch near the deadline, but he did just as much so with Wile. Do you really think marv would've started off with a scum/scum bus only to waffle himself on a town mislynch? Just no.

Feel free to point out reasons you disagree, but trying to think of it from a neutral PoV, I honestly can't see how someone would ever think me+marv is a possible scumteam at this point. In theory sure, in practice no.

I don't mind if a townie genuinely misreads me as scum for valid reasons, people make mistakes all the time. But when the reasoning is absolute crap and spells "Opportunistic and far-fetched" all over it, you'll have to wonder if that's a case coming from a town player or a scum player.

On September 23 2015 02:55 geript wrote:

Must be hard for you to understand such a simple concept. But I'll use small words so everyone can understand.
1. You say you don't see how X can be town
2. It gets explained to you multiple ways
3. You continue to push X.

I'll make it really simple. It's a classic scum tactic to ignore evidence that isn't favorable (oops a big word... It means 'good') for their ability to win.

On September 23 2015 02:55 geript wrote:
I'll make it really simple. It's a classic scum tactic to ignore evidence that isn't favorable (oops a big word... It means 'good') for their ability to win.

On September 22 2015 19:46 Cephiro wrote:
I'm around now and I'm on pace with the thread, just going to re-read filters and take my time doing so before I post anything of substance. After that I'll stick around for a short moment only. I'm not sure if I can be around during the lynch deadline today, but I'll try to be available. If I'm not able to be around then, I'll be online some hours before the deadline to place my vote. Unless something surprising that I missed before comes up with my filter re-reads, I'm still very keen on voting marv today.

On September 23 2015 03:25 ritoky wrote:
i am awake and it appears marv still doesn't care...

On September 23 2015 03:28 Cephiro wrote:
Without going into deeper analysis yet, I currently feel a Dam+marv pairing is a fairly possible case. (with marv being a GF and delivering kill)

The thing is, I don't feel as strongly about Dam being mafia if marv flips town (which I very much doubt will happen).

It's honestly really hard to read into the rest of the players at this point.

I'm still not 100% on scott, but on the other hand I think it's extremely unlikely that if scott was scum, he'd claim tracker to basically confirm a kill on his scumbuddy. I mean, it's a possibility for extreme lategame cred, but I don't think Wile was boned enough by that point that it would've been a no-loss play. So while I'm ignoring the small possibility and giving him a townread for now, it's something that should be kept in mind as the game goes on.

jat - The amount of sheer activity and presence he has is a double-edged sword. I'm having trouble deciding if it's sincere or not. On the other hand it could be trying to do his best from a townjat, but then again I'm also feeling vibes of "Lack of goal", as in what he's trying to achieve with some of all that activity, not to mention he doesn't seem to mind cluttering the thread with useless crap or arguing back and forth either, which isn't exactly productive (although I would have to say useless posts seem to be a thing in this game and something almost everyone can be called out for...).
I do feel it's a bit more likely for him to be town currently, but I just can't seem to get rid of the thought he could also be mafia making the best out of his thread presence. (Although if marv flips mafia, I think it's slightly less likely for JAT to be mafia, even if still within reach of being a reasonable possibility.)

geript seems too chill to be scum. I'm not saying he's getting a lot done, but I feel like he'd try to assert more control over town if he's scum. Currently he seems to prefer measuring dicks with the occasional opinion (which is reasonable, but I'd also expect him to be doing more analysis / more pushing for his scumreads?). It's more of a gut feeling but there isn't enough proper content from him for me to reach a proper conclusion.

Palmar is kind of under-the-radar. In a way I feel that he's playing extremely similarly to marv, but for me the key difference is that rather than asking questions, he seems to prefer posting insightful points of view and then being non-conclusive about it (if you read his filter, there are many points where he comes off raising a point, then says he doesn't really make anything out of it either way?). But there are some good points among those he has raised, and I still prefer that to asking questions you're not doing anything with (marv this game).

So in short, I'm feeling it would be likely to be damdred (assuming marv flips mafia), but it's honestly really hard for me to pinpoint anything in jat/geript/palmar at the moment. They all have things that point out that they could be town, but they all have reasonable possibilities in which they could be scum as well.

Sorry, I know that's not probably very useful but it's really hard for me to find something concrete to make a read from when geript seems to just be chillposting, palmar is going under the radar without committing, and jat makes up 20% of the thread by himself with half of his posts being useless filler.

On September 23 2015 03:40 Cephiro wrote:
I didn't say everything you do has a lack of goal, but a lot of your posts do feel like they do lack a goal. I know you've been pushing marv for a while and also made a fairly decent case against him as well which I've read as points in your favour, but you can't deny that you've also cluttered the thread up with a ton of absolutely irrelevant back and forth arguing with no goal (I'm not saying you're the only one, I'm saying that just because you have a goal in some of your posts doesn't mean all the other useless ones should not be taken into account)

On September 23 2015 03:48 Damdred wrote:
Honestly that post is bad has no real conclusions besides all of us could be mafia, I mean there's reasons I think to read jat, geript and palmar town. I also think I have reasons to be read town.

I just hate that post meh