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I'm fairly sure I would not lynch MD today
Fidei saying that myself and superbia came back to the thread is really fckn contrived I was around way early than him talking to moosey
Also the amount of people saying that mine and superbias discussion was useless is making me think he is town. It wasn't useless, you see us talking about pr's but not why it involved both of us making a read on the other and the fact that both BF and fidei come into the thread call it a shitfight and useless but don't comment on any of the reads me or superbia made from it makes me think one of them is mafia
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boxerfred, your analysis of Breshke, Fidei, and me is kind of bad because it just shows you're not really keeping up with the thread. Granted, it's difficult to keep up with us "spammy" people but I don't think you're actually seeing what's going on here.
- Breshke was questioning Superbia because he read him as scum earlier.
- I was questioning Superbia because I wanted to get more reads on him.
- Fidei is trying to participate but is in this weird world where Breshke and Superbia are scum.
Also, I have no idea how your opinion of me changed so quickly. It feels like you're just sheeping general sentiment. On top of that, there really isn't a single original read in your post and you just state the obvious of what town should do. As a note, although rather spammy, Breshke and I were actually pressuring/questioning Superbia to get reads. After all, you can't read people or clarify what they're trying to say without asking them questions.
Also, I've been saying this again and again but if you want to lynch me THEN GO VOTE ME. Literally, it's so frustrating to see your guys tip toe'ing delicately around me as if you're afraid of taking the heat when I flip green.
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CopCake, since people regard you as a good player, I want you to participate some more. Rather than questioning boxerfred about spouting town reads when you just did that yourself, why not give some scum reads and your basis on them as well as who you want town to generally look into again.
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Out all day, romantic dinner with the wife by night. Want to comment on a few things. I have a few hours, though I might dart to make some food.
On September 12 2015 01:03 Breshke wrote:
Who is the doctor? Would you not think this information is good for town since mafia probably RB them last night since there is no reason for them not to save rayn
Give a reason why you think so aswell
On September 12 2015 01:08 Breshke wrote:
I really don't think you have a reason to think anyone is the doctor superbia
On September 12 2015 01:08 Superbia wrote:
Breshke, walk me through your thought process at the moment. You pressure me to give you my doc read. So here's what can happen:
- I give doc read, doc is indeed doc and flips/outs at some point. I look super scummy.
- I give doc read, doc is not doc and my read looks terrible. I look scummy.
- I don't give doc read, I look neutral. But you can still say I'm scummy.
What's the idea here?
On September 12 2015 01:09 Superbia wrote:
But still answer me what you were hoping to accomplish.
On September 12 2015 01:14 Breshke wrote:
No I truly think that you don't have a reason to think someone is the doctor. Like you have apparently seen something that has made you basically flip your read on me.
If you actually have a reason it's me who looks like shit for pushing you to out them not you. Like what is my objective here obviously people can read that you don't want to point them out and if you did it would be because of me.
I don't understand how the quotes from Breshke in this convo are a town mindset. Why would you use someone's doctor read to evaluate them? First you scumread sueprbia for saying he had dick all in calling you mafia then you want to get information that would otherwise compromise town to evaluate him?
It's a no-win position.
Also don't like Breshke's post at the top of this page either. Fidei is commenting on HOW you reappeared on the thread. I double checked on that. You interact with superbia posts 205/210 WAY at the beginning of the game. NOTHING on any conclusion on his alignment, then it's not until posts 2046/2047/2070 (at least a cycle and a half?) out of nowhere, you're like "superbia has to elaborate on his d1 read on me" and then you vote him.
I see a post where you said to him (1961) you make me want to lynch you. you didn't press him then for a read on you. Why did it become urgent later?
Why didn't you press him then? You then put priority on MD and then out of nowhere you go from passive to all-out slugfest against him. The progression is very haphazard, I'd argue it's contrived on your end.
Still reading.....and reading.....
questions fire away.
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On September 12 2015 00:56 Breshke wrote:
Actually no fuck it idc. Explain why I'm not a PR anymore I'm calling you out you don't have shit all.
On September 12 2015 01:03 Breshke wrote:
Who is the doctor? Would you not think this information is good for town since mafia probably RB them last night since there is no reason for them not to save rayn
Give a reason why you think so aswell
On September 12 2015 01:08 Breshke wrote:
I really don't think you have a reason to think anyone is the doctor superbia
On September 12 2015 01:14 Breshke wrote:
No I truly think that you don't have a reason to think someone is the doctor. Like you have apparently seen something that has made you basically flip your read on me.
If you actually have a reason it's me who looks like shit for pushing you to out them not you. Like what is my objective here obviously people can read that you don't want to point them out and if you did it would be because of me.
these are the last four quotes from Breshke before he turns his attention to fidei on his interactions analysis.
You basically said superbia had shit all on you so how are people's feedback on the conversation (even if you disagree with that) changing your read on superbia changing your read on superbia?
That doesn't make any sense.
I read superbia's filter.
What did he do in that conversation from when you said he had shit all on you - and thus I'm inferring that you think superbia's push on you was scummy...
...that made you change your read to him being town?
I'm reading the reactions of everyone who commented. Moosy saying it's not useless, Fidei is saying it's useless, and Copcake saying you're both mafia (presumably) because of that conversation.
Slam says there's a bunch of things wrong with Superbia's filter but unless I'm missing it, where do you get "everyone"?
still doesn't explain your change in read on him. zero. you're probably mafia based on this event but going to read the others involved in this.
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ebwop - just realised I had a massive typo in there from copy/paste.
Second sentence of my last post should read:
You basically said superbia had shit all on you so how are people's feedback on the conversation (even if you disagree with that) changing your read on superbia without superbia doing anything himself to warrant that change in read?
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I honestly don't understand what you're seeing here NocturneMage. Can you explain in simple English or like in one or two sentences please.
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nocturne why did superbia change his read on me
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On September 12 2015 10:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I honestly don't understand what you're seeing here NocturneMage. Can you explain in simple English or like in one or two sentences please.
basically I'm questioning breshke's read progression on superbia, and especially with that last post. why does he scumread (presumably) superbia and then with that last post say "people saying the convo is useless" makes him town. there's nothing in the conversation to justify that read.
fidei's statement on them coming out of nowhere (well at least for breshke, I'm still reading on superbia) is correct at least for breshke - at least after I looked at his filter. The pressure on superbia comes from practically nowhere.
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On September 12 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
nocturne why did superbia change his read on me
atm I'm still reading his filter - two main list posts he's left you out I see that but still going through his filter.
but I don't think fidei is mafia for his observations, and certainly not the push on you. not from what I remember reading at first.
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Also let me explain what i mean. So me and superbia had a discussion that involved the possible role the doctor. We both gave reads one each other from it.
From that conversation noone other than moosey has commented on what we actually said and has just burshed it off as being a useless shitfight about roles.
Like you think im mafia and you don't even comment on why superbia thinks im mafia instead you jsut say the entire conversation was useless. Fidei did much the same.
This leads me to a conclusion that people are happy with me and superbia going at it because we could both be town and two towns going at it is good for mafia.
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On September 12 2015 10:46 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote:
nocturne why did superbia change his read on me atm I'm still reading his filter - two main list posts he's left you out I see that but still going through his filter. but I don't think fidei is mafia for his observations, and certainly not the push on you. not from what I remember reading at first.
see this really makes me think that you didn't read the interaction between me and superbia like i know it is probably a real pain to read but if you did read it you would understand why superbias read changed on me and why I had a problem with that and ultimately why we were talking about power roles.
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On September 12 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote:
Also let me explain what i mean. So me and superbia had a discussion that involved the possible role the doctor. We both gave reads one each other from it.
From that conversation noone other than moosey has commented on what we actually said and has just burshed it off as being a useless shitfight about roles.
Like you think im mafia and you don't even comment on why superbia thinks im mafia instead you jsut say the entire conversation was useless. Fidei did much the same.
This leads me to a conclusion that people are happy with me and superbia going at it because we could both be town and two towns going at it is good for mafia.
read from 2264, I'm not saying your conversation useless, I know superbia's conclusion on you was clear the first time I read it. I'm more focused on how your reads evolved from BEFORE the conversation, THROUGH the conversation and AFTER it - and I'm doing the same with superbia.
There are parts I did not like about you in there, and it was not because I thought the conversation was useless. I am questioning the town motivation for talking about the PRs the way you did.
Capisce?
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ebwop - I'm not saying your conversation was useless.
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superbia on breshke
initial read post 184/192/195 - he says breshke is town, rescinds read in 234 based on "bitter" tone
list posts in 948 and 1093 - leaves off Breshke entirely
- but list post in 1628, null reads him saying that the push on GB is potentially bussing
On September 11 2015 07:35 Superbia wrote:
I think doctor claims here tbh, unless for some reason you didn't save rayn. I'll figure it out when I get back. First gonna chill more w/ gf.
that quote itself is null - not sure if he honestly forgot doctor cannot save twice in a row or if he tried to bait the doctor.
posts 2090-2095 (filter pages 8-9) he's scumreading Breshke based on process of elimination. that I can follow...
in post 2116 I can follow the conversation between you and superbia - I can follow where he poes you.
I don't understand the "pr or mafia" rationale or why someone would or should act differently if they are a pr. you'd think that if someone acted differently to avoid mafia it would make it easier for mafia to find the pr.
I think it's faulty reasoning but I don't think this is necessarily an exclusively mafia way of doing things.
in any case, it was pretty clear to me how superbia came to scumread you at the beginning of the shoutfest,
the progression on his end leading into the beginning of the conversation was more natural - it made sense, he followed up on his very early game read on you, and him poeing you made him re-consider the null read he had from his list post.
going through the heart of the conversation now.
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I've explained the "after" read.
The before read was me sheeting rayn plus there was some game ages ago (not on pc so can't link it) it was a student or campus mafia game and superbia was the last scum alive and I remember him being semi lurky there. That's why I ignored moosey before and started voting superbia because I know he can and will lurk to victory as scum.
The "during" read is weird to explain but at the time I didn't really believe that superbias bitter=or/mafia read was genuine. I also didn't believe the reason he gave for why he stopped considering that I could be a PR.
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And I don't think your "after" read remotely makes sense, it is a jump in logic.
Also I traced your filter and I saw no reference to meta, I saw in post 1961 the "you make me wanna lynch you" but there was no reference to meta.
so you are arguing that superbia plays lurky as scum? student mafia? campus mafia? which game is this?
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meh, alright, I'm assuming it's the campus mafia game, in database now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=superbia
16 page filter over 7 days. That's an average of 2 1/3 pages per 72h cycle if my maths is correct.
right now he's 11 pages and we're halfway through d3.
he's in and out, and content has been sporadic. not unreasonable.
but still I take issue with you on the him evaluating on you not being PR. he followed up that pretty well I think.
(1) he questioned the motivation for the doctor questions
(2) he explained his world of why you weren't a PR, and it was based on a) his reads and b) process of elimination.
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On September 12 2015 11:30 Breshke wrote:
I've explained the "after" read.
The before read was me sheeting rayn plus there was some game ages ago (not on pc so can't link it) it was a student or campus mafia game and superbia was the last scum alive and I remember him being semi lurky there. That's why I ignored moosey before and started voting superbia because I know he can and will lurk to victory as scum.
The "during" read is weird to explain but at the time I didn't really believe that superbias bitter=or/mafia read was genuine. I also didn't believe the reason he gave for why he stopped considering that I could be a PR.
so the first sentence means you had a mafia read on superbia based on tone, then what do you think of his comparison on rayn's scumread of you for (nearly?) the same thing? why was this unreasonable?
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ebwop from 2278 - he's in and out and content had been sporadic up to the point he pushed you hard.
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