EPTI'm going I got stuff to do. Nocturne find the other mafia than me if I can't convince you I'm town
Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly - Page 115
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Breshke
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I'm going I got stuff to do. Nocturne find the other mafia than me if I can't convince you I'm town | ||
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NocturneMage
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On September 12 2015 08:54 Breshke wrote: I'm fairly sure I would not lynch MD today Fidei saying that myself and superbia came back to the thread is really fckn contrived I was around way early than him talking to moosey Also the amount of people saying that mine and superbias discussion was useless is making me think he is town. It wasn't useless, you see us talking about pr's but not why it involved both of us making a read on the other and the fact that both BF and fidei come into the thread call it a shitfight and useless but don't comment on any of the reads me or superbia made from it makes me think one of them is mafia so from this post you think fidei is mafia? you have eliminated super and md I think? or null on md or considering a fidei/md world? who is the third mafia in your books? | ||
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NocturneMage
United Kingdom1965 Posts
I'm pretty sure slam is town, I have nulls on copcake, boxerfred. I had a townread on fidei, but I need to see more closely what he picked out in the conversation, although at first glance it would appear he did not read as closely into the conversation as he could have. I'd have to agree with you on that one. does it make fidei mafia? well he's voting breshke, so I'm also doubting that. you afk was NAI, but he also agrees the doctor side of the conversation doesn't serve the purpose to help town. I agree with that part. copcake still concerns me based on lack of input (I did see her post on the superbia/breshke interaction) but if she is a tone reader like she said she was, I would expect her to evaluate people on tone, or at least do more of it. right now she's not meeting her own standards - has her read on moosy changed? she was on him for early game for example - her penguin picture makes me think she's townreading superbia (and from the subsequent post) alakaslam scott is unlikely based on gb's push on him the first cycle right now I'm in breshke plus one of copcake/boxerfred world - moosydoosy is under review for the latest interaction but offhand on first read nothing he's said makes him look scummy overall with the superbia/breshke interaction breshke is the more likely mafia of the two. (yes I know moosy is in there too but that's where I stand now) it's possible there's double bussing but after looking at superbia's side of things from the beginning of his filter especially, I think superbia's rationale from start to end makes sense from a town perspective. | ||
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NocturneMage
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On September 12 2015 05:16 boxerfred wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with that thread. The last ~5 pages were lots of bullshit about power roles that is a totally irrelevant discussion. Whatever one thinks who is a power role will only help scum if he talks about it. The whole PR stuff is pointless. How is that even perceived as a push? Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible. We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier. So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads. At this point, I have the following town reads: - scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time) - superbia (reasons stated in my huge case) - Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB. Followed by my null reads: - Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not. - Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up. - CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons. - MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell. - NocturneMage. Where is this guy? Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here. considering I'm also a relatively low volume poster and I also hate spam, I think I'm just around when you are not and vice versa. few questions for you before I go to bed. (1) you townread superbia based on your large case or whatever - you certainly looked at the "shitflinging discussion" with superbia - so do you think superbia is any less town based on that? (2) in your nulls, you have 3 people you are citing as you can't remember much on, plus moosy that you are relatively keen on lynching. there are only 2 mafia left. you are seemingly pressed for time, so how do you go about finding or narrowing down that? (let alone trying to draw the 8 or whatever townreads when you have a lot of null at the moment) (3) you say breshke is "derailing" shit so a) how is that still a null and b) how is "breshke being here" a valid point for not lynching him if you are citing issues with him? (4) for fidei you are saying he's more interested in "defending/surviving" than in actually scumhunting. a) can you quote or cite where he's done this - or why you get that impression from his filter b) by your standards this is mafia mentality so fidei in your world should be a scumread - in newbie 13 my coach told us in the scum qt that mafia have the need to survive and that's their thing, hence this point. I think 3 and 4 are the more important questions to me especially as I think fidei is town (barring me tripping up on something weird tomorrow) and I think breshke is mafia at this time. | ||
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CopCake
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But first of all I want to ask you guys this: Why do you think sup is scum? | ||
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Alakaslam
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On September 12 2015 14:05 CopCake wrote: i mean I want to lynch Moosy but then I noticed there is another option for his fucking attitude -________- What is the other option? I don't particularly want to lynch super. I am between nocturne, Breshke and Boxer at the moment, nocturne less than the other two and none with much conviction. | ||
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Breshke
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On September 12 2015 14:04 CopCake wrote: There is some stuff that is irking me, i re read the whole thread so But first of all I want to ask you guys this: Why do you think sup is scum? No one seems to understand my reason or they just plain disagree with it so that is w/e. Rayn had a reason why he thought superbia was scummy. what is the stuff that is irking you? | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
Moosy gets a little town love - He hasn't been not my top lynch and has had some good posting today. I've re-read Superbia's filter and I'm confident of where my vote is right now. The shitfight with Breshke tells me very little - I've just re-read the filter for good quotes and I cannot find any since the modkill one above- On September 11 2015 06:51 Superbia wrote: Posting not to get modkilled. Not mafia. Been too preoccupied with voice mafia lol. Promise to play tomorrow. The only thing I've learned is you believe Boxerfred is town. BoxerFred Lurky d1, which I think is NAI for BF (as I pointed out before his prev game he lurked d1 and he was PR, so it might be a mafia or PR thing)? I didn't really like his push on fidei (didn't really feel like it came from a townie perspective). His read progression on fidei also doesn't really make sense, as fidei was calling md mafia (iirc), which bf registered, but was still iffy about fidei's alignment after bf also started calling md mafia (similar reads???). Calls people null/mafia who have been calling GB mafia. Reads not lining up. Possible mafia. Also throws lots of null-reads around. On September 11 2015 23:37 Superbia wrote: It's probably breshke/moosy. I kinda love that boxerfred post on me lmao. That pocket is very very deep. You have not shown me anything positive to change my vote. ---- Fidei seems tunnelled on the Superbia/Breshke arguement - I still see townie vibes here - Breshke's play has gotten downhill - and the BS above - I doubt he'll keep a vote on Superbia, he tried once. It could be a flail from the scum team - I think they are scared. He hasn't shown me anything positive to town. I'm up for a bit - then sleep and get up before deadline. Moosy gets some decent points for how much he's tried, and when he did calm down - looks more focused at finding scum. Fidei is slightly better. I just don't see the Copcake confirmed town - still on the better fish to fry NM - Way more posting then his last game (as mafia) - like a busy town man - townlean. Boxerfred ... ohhhh On September 12 2015 05:16 boxerfred wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with that thread. The last ~5 pages were lots of bullshit about power roles that is a totally irrelevant discussion. Whatever one thinks who is a power role will only help scum if he talks about it. The whole PR stuff is pointless. How is that even perceived as a push? Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible. We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier. So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads. At this point, I have the following town reads: - scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time) - superbia (reasons stated in my huge case) - Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB. Followed by my null reads: - Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not. - Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up. - CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons. - MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell. - NocturneMage. Where is this guy? Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here. He forgets why I am town. (ummmm... wow) Reads Superbia town for his huge case - and - Let's go over that. + Show Spoiler [Boxer Case] + On September 11 2015 17:33 boxerfred wrote: This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy. Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something. Time for the tinfoil hat: What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys! We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true. Out of this, I extract two scenarios. a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie. b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie. c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me) I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion. I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia: Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed. Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense. Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine. + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard. rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him. So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response. First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post. Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important: And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott: At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times: Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness: This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town. This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town. I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability. tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter. I think you are reaching hard here, bud. Moosy moves up - He's pulled a lot of energy and caring boxer moves down. I'll give more quotes tomorrow. My thoughts right now - 2/4 in Breshke/Boxerfred/Superbia/MoosyDoosy Town team are CopCake/Slam/Fidei/scott/nm I have a good town plan and don't want to let the mafia get any ideas of my plan - they are flailing once GB got busted - smart town should understand. Unless you have a better case, Superbia needs to get lynched. I'll be up before deadline. | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
CopCake Alakaslam Superbia boxerfred Each tell me your #1 lynch. MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred Superbia (2): scott31337, Breshke Breshke (2): Fidei86, NocturneMage MoosyDoosy (0): Alakaslam Not Informing (5): MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred Mafia love to wait on their vote BTW | ||
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
Superbia (2): scott31337, Breshke Breshke (2): Fidei86, NoctureMage MoosyDoosy (0): Not Informing (6): MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred | ||
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Superbia
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I do something -> Superbia is struggling to get townread. I do nothing -> Superbia has given up as mafia. This is not how town should play. I am surprised by both that you are perfectly willing to call me mafia on n2 for no good reason (I'll explain below how mafia would act after GB's fake claim, and why this would potentially finger scott). Yet only scott has played a single game with me (iirc, and I was town). So you are both willing to hard call me mafia coming into n2 and not evaluate on d3 ("lolz this game is ez boiz"(. This could be town being ignorant and arrogant, but it's likely at least one of the two is mafia. Let me explain to you how GB's claim influences mafia play: When GB claims doctor at the end of d1. Mafia knows glowingbear dies the next day, and flips mafia. It is therefore incredibly likely that mafia will bus GB ASAP. In fact, it makes it more likely that there was already a bus on GB (I'm actually leaning towards scott), or that slam was bussing GB (I have a townread on slam independent of his push on GB). Scott looks so fucking good after GB flips mafia, since he was on his dick since early d1 (so early that it reeks of TMI/bussing). In fact, GB even made an entire case on scott! (and granted, in GB's meta he has not made a case on his partner d1, but he has made a case on his partner when he was about to die, iirc). But I personally feel like the case was ill-timed (train was starting on GB). Now, this is made all the more damning by the fact that scott seems absolutely fine to see this day play out with a lynch on me (fidei too, for that matter). Let me tell you this much: I'm unsure of breshke's alignment at this point, but if he flips green today or tomorrow, I know for a fact that there's at least one between fidei and scott (though this may remain true even if he flips red). Honestly I don't believe we should kill scott today, but I think fidei is an excellent target. tl;dr: - Fidei never played with me (except voice). - Fidei fine with not evaluating my play and being adamant on lynch on me for no good reason (should not have a good read on me). - Fidei believes I am a strong player, if I am mafia my play would have been exceptionally weak (I would have bussed GB pre-flip, as any decent mafia player would do). - Scott played with me once (I was town) - Scott fine with not evaluating my play and being adamant on lynch on me for no good reason (should not have a good read on me). - Distance between scott and GB does not mean scott is town. - Mafia for sure bussed GB pre-flip. | ||
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Breshke
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Also nocturne were you inferring that there is deffs a mafia between me and superbia for the so called shitfight | ||
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Superbia
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On September 12 2015 22:14 Breshke wrote: Superbia why is there one between fidei and Scott if I am green Also nocturne were you inferring that there is deffs a mafia between me and superbia for the so called shitfight Because I'm town and then they're both pushing on town and were confirmed fine with not evaluating on town. | ||
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