Tropical Storm Mini Mafia

Vivax hasn't mentioned anything other than Artanis so i guess something about his read on Artanis has to do with Trfel, because if he read Trfel as town he should not have a problem with Artanis atm.

On August 11 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:
You're boring.

Well, I'm a bit suspicious of him. Reason being that he included Damdred voting for Chezinu in his unofficial vote count.I'm assuming the reason for this is Damdred saying that he hopes a vigilante shoots him:I just don't see this bothering a player with as distinct and stubborn of a playstyle as Chezinu. It feels a bit too sensitive.

On August 12 2015 01:21 ruXxar wrote:


Hold your horses. What happened to attains?

On August 12 2015 01:24 ruXxar wrote:


Lol, like you ever "discussed" artanis.

On August 12 2015 01:31 ruXxar wrote:


I read his filter again and I liked him a bit better.

On August 12 2015 01:33 ruXxar wrote:


You say attains is scummy, but you don't want to push him since he's doing nothing.

Yet palmar is doing nothing and you want to push him.

On August 12 2015 01:38 Hopeless1der wrote:

So he's given a reason for players to be scummy which applies to two players, one of which he is "pushing" for scum and is apparently ignoring the other. Is that the gist of it?

I prefer not to push Artanis, I'm pretty comfortable with him doing nothing when he doesn't have to.

I'm also strongly in favour of starting a wagon on Palmar for no particular reason other than that he takes strong pride in his play and only blames himself when he gets lynched, nevertheless calling everybody an idiot who is voting for him.

Day 1 is mostly better for a show than for the reads and a tryharding Palmar is always a good show, and on top of that informative.

On August 12 2015 01:40 Damdred wrote:
Um sorta tempted to vote ruxxar

On August 12 2015 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yes this Vivax. I also want an answer to this.

On August 12 2015 01:46 ruXxar wrote:


You think it's funny to lynch town?

On August 12 2015 01:47 Damdred wrote:
Well he's not being a Mexican jumping bean this game and a few of his reads have felt a bit mechanical to an extent.

His reaction to me liking vivax was a bit odd aooon as someone thought he looked ok rux said nvm I like him to. Bit strange for him I need to think if it makes him scum though

On August 12 2015 01:51 ruXxar wrote:


I didn't ask you.

On August 12 2015 01:52 Hopeless1der wrote:

I said it'd be fun to lynch palmar. Who said anything about town?

On August 12 2015 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:

i am not even thinking that is a scumslip or anything.

On August 12 2015 01:31 ruXxar wrote:


I read his filter again and I liked him a bit better.

On August 12 2015 02:07 ruXxar wrote:


Very possible.
What do you think of hopeless?

On August 12 2015 02:10 Damdred wrote:
Yeah just answer I mean town shouldn't hide information right ruxxar

Vivax, when I was making that post on Chezinu, I felt like my posts were really suspicious. I was scared that Damdred would catch me, so that's why I asked for his opinion first so I could agree with it. When he didn't give any, I felt like if I just left I would look really scummy, so I just posted the first thing that came into my mind.

On August 12 2015 02:25 deconduo wrote:
Hi. Day 1 is going strong I see.

On August 12 2015 02:27 rsoultin wrote:


hm?

i'm still reading. you're easy to read lol ><

ruxx...hm

i dunnae about him. seems like his posts aren't constructed, but saying he wasn't going to pretend to be excited made me itchy :/ cause his posts earlier than that felt a bit like forced cheeriness

(what does ruxx have to do with you, exactly?)

On August 12 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's murder Hopeless and Ruxxar.

On August 12 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:
See, here's how our games go rayn.

I play like trash. You call me scum.
Scum somehow manages to fuck it up and look even worse than me, and then we lynch the scum.

I'm just waiting for you to realize who the real scum is. I'm sure you'll find out before the end of day.

On August 12 2015 04:31 Damdred wrote:
Hrmmm, idk rux might be a bad lynch today

On August 12 2015 04:34 Damdred wrote:
Just looks like his town game the last few pages even if he got caught in an inconsistent spell that's more prone for town tux than scum rux.

On August 12 2015 04:48 Damdred wrote:
I didn't like his posts and he felt mechanical.

Now he feels more like saying whatever regardless of consequences. Meh just looks more like his town fame.

Though I'm not saying he's town for messing up.

On August 12 2015 02:58 deconduo wrote:


I noticed a couple of people finding fault with this read. I agree that RS's opening posts are enthusiastic, and though I don't know if the rest is true ("Given that rsoultin really doesn't like playing scum"), no one has contradicted this yet, including RS, that I have seen.








I dislike these kind of posts. I don't think they are a tell either way, but I just find them tacky. Yes this is a rant, and is mostly just filler



However this I really don't like. I understand the whole WIFOM thing, but really we want to limit this sort of information as much as possible. I don't see how it benefits us, whether its a lie or not.

On August 12 2015 06:10 deconduo wrote:
Even with everyone jumping on ruxx, I don't see anything jump out at me reading through his filter. The mixup looks to be genuine.

On August 12 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax can you explain these people why ruxxar is mafia because i am apparently incapable of doing so, Palmar doesn't give any fucks, rsoultin idk, Artanis does not read. I don't know who else to go to.

On August 12 2015 06:33 deconduo wrote:


Read the last page of the thread maybe?

On August 12 2015 06:37 deconduo wrote:




Do you ever take your own advice?

On August 12 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
And if he flips town rayn? Let's live in a world,where ruxxar has mysteriously died where to next

On August 12 2015 07:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
mehhh....

On August 13 2015 00:06 ruXxar wrote:


I noticed this later but didn't care to correct you.

Now can you answer the question I asked you:
Do you think scum are more likely to sheep your push or try to defend me?

On August 13 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:


I know what I would do in this situation if I was scum.
I would push my own ass 100% just like rayn is doing.

Rayb is doing us all a potential service by pushing me, since it creates a polarity between people that increases the chances of exposing mafia motivation.

I thnk a vote in me would bring very interesting results.

What's clear is that unless rayn is mafia, there's really no need for mafia to put in any effort in pushing me, since rayn is doing all the heavy lifting.

The case then balances on how likely that Raymond will be able to push his lynch through on me.

If town sentiment turns into a heavy favor of lynching me, then I think scum would favor speaking up in my defense to earn town credit.

I don't think scum hard defends me like attains did yesterday unless he was planning to turn the vote back on Ryan somehow, which he clearly wasn't doing either.

From this I surmise that artanis is town.

In this push on me, I think mafia are most likely taking soft stances.

They have rayan and artanis taking the brunt of the blame either way I flip.

Of course they want to lunch me since I'm town, so they'll want to softly nudge town sentiment towards lynching me.

But if course mafia don't all want to align on one side if they can help it, so some may be speaking up against my lynch but not trying to actually push someone else.

Deconduo fits very well within this frame which is why u suspect him.

On August 13 2015 00:59 ruXxar wrote:


Because he's hard defending me, when he has nothing to gain.

My vote wasn't gaining a lot of momentum to the point where a lunch was inevitable.

If my lunch doesn't happen, then he stands nothing to gain. He basically out himself in the line of fire for no apparent town cred, when mafia could've just as easily just stand by and let the mis lynch happen.

On August 12 2015 07:48 ruXxar wrote:

Not sure if mafia are defending me or trying to push me or if it's town on town fighting over whether i'm mafia or not.

I'm not going to complain that people are defending me, but I'm curious of what they're trying to accomplish. (Pocketing?)

etc.

On August 13 2015 01:34 ruXxar wrote:


It irked me that Artanis was taking such a hard defense on me when he barely knows my meta at all.
It felt kind if unnatural, but I don't know Artemis meta either so maybe that's how he plays.

Trying to evaluate it objectively I think it's a subra mafia play.
The fact that he's also trying to push VE is going to make him look doubly ass if VE flips town.
That puts attains in a really bad spot and would be a great risk to undertake as scum.

On August 13 2015 02:20 rsoultin wrote:
he's still prob town, viva

you were in gaiden, and it sounds like you just read it again...this really look like his scum game to you?

On August 13 2015 03:48 Trfel wrote:
I think he is likely to be scum because of how he doesn't push his reads and doesn't seem to consider new information. The rest is bonus.

On August 13 2015 03:56 deconduo wrote:


I mentioned before that VE is the only scum read I had, but here's a more thorough breakdown:

Rayn:
Almost certainly town. He's kinda taken the lead a bit, and has been vocal about pushing ruxx. Don't particularly agree with his case, but his attitude is good.

Artanis:
Pretty sure he's town.

Vivax:
I like a couple of his posts, feels townish to me. Bit of a dick though

Trfel:
I like his post on RS at the start of the game.

RS:
No real read, but trfel's original post is enough to put her slightly on the town side for now.

Palmar/prpl/chez/damdred/hopeless1der:
Meh, nothing from them really yet.

Ve:
I've said a few things before about him, but in addition, a lot of his posts just seem forced. Voting for him.

##Vote VisceraEyes

On August 13 2015 08:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
Rayn's case on ruxxar felt so similar to this one:
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 13 2015 08:44 prplhz wrote:
i'm rolling with this decon thing mainly because rso and artanis look townie enough. personally i think it's a shot in the dark but it seems like it's the best we can do today.

On August 13 2015 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Vivax I don't understand why you're voting Hope1ess over deconduo. From your filter you've mentioned you mentioned something about how you don't think he's bussing? And you've sort of implied you think Hopeless might be town. Furthermore you've also prodded Deconduo on a few things which you didn't like, which you didn't do for Hopeless.

On August 13 2015 09:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

So despite finding things you dislike in Deconduo's filter and not really doing so for Hopeless, you still prefer a Hopeless lynch because Deconduo is more likely to reveal his alignment later?

The way you phrase it, it kinda sounds like you do think Decon is slightly more likely to flip scum than hopeless.

On August 13 2015 09:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm not trying to entrap you into anything. I'm asking you if you think Deconduo is more likely to flip scum than Hopeless.

If the answer is no, then I presume the explanations Deconduo gave for his posts were satisfactory?

On August 13 2015 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I don't understand why you wouldn't use all the information you have available to try and choose the person most likely to be scum. It sounds like you're just being lazy.

On August 13 2015 20:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

What happened to your Damdred and Ruxxar reads?

On August 13 2015 20:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I presume some hopped onto the Deconduo wagon. If it's Hopeless, mafia is likely within the pool Rayn has outlined. I still need to take a more detailed look at the vote count though.

On August 13 2015 05:18 rsoultin wrote:
can we lynch prp or condor plz? if i bat my eyelashes real pretty?

i think i prefer prp just cause i know what his games look like, and condor's just objectively scummy to me, but really i'd be happy with either

On August 13 2015 06:38 rsoultin wrote:
don't have a problem voting for hopeless? i just think the lack of reads thing is nai now :/

the games damdy was referring to, rayn:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Hopeless1der
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/378069-acme-mini-mafia-inc?user=Hopeless1der

and i'll readily admit that i didn't read the second lol ><

i dunnae, this could be prp's town game actually, sad as that is heh

i'd prefer a condor lynch but will lynch hopeless as a yolo?

also@ruxx

good to know you're not reading, dude -_-

On August 13 2015 06:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
OH TINA WHY DO YOU TEMPT ME EVIL TEMPTRESS?!?!?!?!?

On August 13 2015 22:46 rsoultin wrote:


ye well, i don't know how to read hopeless as either alignment. i thought rayn had a way; he didn't. at least not in any way that he could explain. it was as simple as scumread over null read, and as i said when i changed votes, i didn't mind a hopeless lynch? i just preferred condor or prp...later just condor

it's not exactly the rocket science y'all are making it out to be lol ><

and chez is almost definitely scum regardless of hopeless' alignment, btw

he spends all day pushing truffle, having no other reads that i can discern, and then voting with truffle on condor

as for ve, why should it surprise me that he wants to vote condor with me when he wanted to vote condor before? why should it surprise anyone? it doesn't make him town, but it certainly doesn't make him scum, either @.@

On August 13 2015 23:02 prplhz wrote:

this chez thing is decon all over again so stop doing it or convince me he is scum.

On August 13 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:


so how exactly is it town chez to tunnel truffle all game and then vote with him? explain that one to me, prp

On August 13 2015 23:09 rsoultin wrote:


that wasn't your only read, now was it, dumbass?

On August 12 2015 13:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yo I changed my mind.

##Unvote
##Vote: deconduo

His read on me was way out of left field, based on a throwaway comment in my opening post. It would have been fine if left at that, but he actually goes on to try and defend his laughable reasoning. He's mafia.

On August 13 2015 06:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm okay with a Hopeless lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote: Hopeless1der

On August 14 2015 00:07 Damdred wrote:
Trfels is interesting, pro is interesting day but he's been acting towny during the night, ve vote bugs me and will look really bad when hope flips scum and chez vote looks meh but that one just is.

On August 14 2015 00:57 Damdred wrote:
Oh stop being an asshole vivax, I think your town get the stick out of your ass.

If hope flips town mafia ve shouldn't care which town his vote is on and could of afks rather than lynch someone else, if hope is scum it looks worse because saving scum partner comes into play.

On August 14 2015 01:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
But that's only if it's a thing. I don't think it will because while I've been here, I've been pretty town.

On August 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote:
Vivax can I get a short list of your top scum sand town?

On August 13 2015 09:24 Hopeless1der wrote:


Town: Rsoul rayn vivax artanis
townish: damdred palmar trfel
null: chez
scummish: ruxxar prplhz deconduo VE

man thats a shitty list...

On August 13 2015 09:26 Trfel wrote:
Why the scumread on VisceraEyes?

On August 13 2015 09:27 Damdred wrote:
Cause ve isn't trying at all I guess. Do you tr him trfel?

On August 14 2015 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like if you want to read me mafia for stuff I've done then fine Vivax, but as rsoultin has showed you already, I was suspicious of Decon BEFORE the Hopeless sheep, and I went BACK to my original preference when it became possible. IN SPITE of openly stating in the thread that I'm cementing my vote to rayn's. So....unless you think that I, as mafia, do something like that, IN FULL VIEW OF EVERYONE, WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF HOPELESS BEING STORM VOTED IN THE NIGHT, then you keep on your little retard tunnel of retardation. I'm going to keep playing my game and doing what I can when I can.

On August 14 2015 02:18 VisceraEyes wrote:

Well that's your opinion based on your GUESS of my alignment, there's nothing objectively scummy about my switch A) because I'm town B) because my reasoning was explicit in the thread in full view of everyone. Anyone was free to disagree with or take issue with my reasoning and no one did, yourself included. Get fucked.

On August 14 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote:
I really can't be assed to care. I've been called stupid and bad this entire game basically, because I hard defended town read tux had no idea who to lynch yesterday but knew that lynching hopeless would give us the least amount of information and he was best big shot.

I get called stupid more even though people who are the thread *leaders* parrot me when they enter the thread and insult me some more.

I hope I get lynched by these assholes honestly.

On August 14 2015 04:24 Damdred wrote:
I really can't be assed to care. I've been called stupid and bad this entire game basically, because I hard defended town read tux had no idea who to lynch yesterday but knew that lynching hopeless would give us the least amount of information and he was best big shot.

I get called stupid more even though people who are the thread *leaders* parrot me when they enter the thread and insult me some more.

I hope I get lynched by these assholes honestly.

On August 14 2015 04:40 Damdred wrote:
Neither of you proved what vivax said where did I say specifically that deco fives us more information?

Where did I say that hopeless being alive fives us more information at night from him

On August 14 2015 04:41 Damdred wrote:
This is about fucking respect inside a game I have been shown none to when I have fucking turned aside insults about my intelligence and my general play.

So if you assholes can treat people like this in games I will fucking return the fabor

On August 14 2015 05:10 rsoultin wrote:
your 1 is semantics, rayn -_-

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485325-generic-boring-mini-mafia?user=Damdred

the game i'm referring to viva

On August 14 2015 05:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay, I'm here and actually paying attention now. What's been going on?

On August 14 2015 05:47 Palmar wrote:
I need to remember what I did this game for when I roll mafia. I have literally no idea how everyone is just assuming I'm town, but I do like it.

On August 14 2015 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because of his case on Trfel, he took a different approach than other people did and it actually made sense. Also his approach to "whoever says VE is scum must be mafia", it is what he does as town. And also the rant between him and Vivax was pure town VE.

On August 12 2015 00:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hey guys we should lynch Palmar whIle he's gone

On August 15 2015 00:19 ruXxar wrote:
I think hopeless was trying to create a train on an easy target.

On August 15 2015 02:04 rsoultin wrote:


who is scum, then?

On August 14 2015 15:53 Damdred wrote:
Honestly I'm about to pass out and well... Rayns right in this situation only a couple people who would kill ve. And chez is one.

Though I did find his little *trap* fun and somewhat town but I can't say it makes chez town.

On August 15 2015 02:05 ruXxar wrote:


What's your opinion in chez himself.
Not the circumstances surrounding him, but his play.

On August 15 2015 02:15 ruXxar wrote:
Fuck the chez rules or whatever bs that is.

Look at how he played.
His play is compete nonsense
From a town perspective.

He knows he's fucked and he's hiding behind his persona.

On August 15 2015 02:12 Damdred wrote:
Ve can read chez one of the only people who can shrug. I can't see many people in game shooting inactive ve

On August 14 2015 18:53 Chezinu wrote:


Would you agree that we should kill Tropical Storm Henri?

On August 14 2015 19:19 Chezinu wrote:

So, I should claim that I check Damdred last night? Am I that desperate of a town to claim such a role to get a mafia lynched? My name is Chezinu Isunizehc. And This Week IS my 1337 week!!!

On August 15 2015 03:07 ruXxar wrote:
Vivas are you conserned about the fact that I caught hopeless for wanting to push palmar and that you also wanted to push palmar?

And now you're really hesitating in chez. Not sure what to think about that.

You gave a read earlier about how town chez plays.

Do you think he fulfilled those premises?

All I want is a yes or no.

On August 14 2015 16:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not mad. I think you are mafia because there is zero reasoning for me to think you are town, you failed your Chezinu rule on D1 and lynched town instead of mafia. I think you are mafia because noone except you or Artanis would kill VE and i do not think Artanis is mafia. I think you are mafia because you are not being smart, having / not having time has nothing to do with that.

On August 16 2015 00:19 Vivax wrote:
I'm also slightly paranoid about rayn tbf

On August 16 2015 00:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

So what do you think of her now? You had a (mild?) scumread on her before which you haven't updated at all since.

On August 16 2015 00:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

The biggest reason was that I had reasons for everyone else to be town. Pretty much PoE.

Insert Rsoultin questioning how that's compatible with the suspicion I had on her

I actually scrolled through her filter in between and found a few analyses that I was okay with, but then as the day progressed that stopped happening and I felt like there was no real drive anymore.

On August 16 2015 02:58 ruXxar wrote:


Are you telling me he plays like this every game?

WTF?

On August 13 2015 11:00 geript wrote:
Final Vote Count

Trfel (0): Chezinu, VisceraEyes
Hopeless1der (4): raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, ruXxar, raynpelikoneet, Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, Vivax, Palmar
ruXxar (0): raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Vivax, Palmar
VisceraEyes (1): Artanis[XP], deconduo
deconduo (8): VisceraEyes, rsoultin, Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, prplhz, Hopeless1der, Palmar, Trfel, Chezinu, Damdred
Damdred (0): Palmar, prplhz, Vivax
Chezinu (0): prplhz

Not Voting (0):

Currently deconduo is set to be lynched.
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On August 16 2015 09:07 geript wrote:
Vote Count

Chezinu (0): ruXxar, raynpelikoneet, prplhz, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, rsoultin, Damdred, Trfel
Trfel (4): raynpelikoneet, prplhz, Artanis[Xp], Damdred, rsoultin, Artanis[Xp], Palmar
rsoultin (0): Artanis[Xp]
prplhz (5): Damdred, Artanis[Xp], ruXxaar, Trfel, Chezinu, rsoultin

Not Voting (1): Vivax

Currently prplhz is set to be lynched.

[B]On August 13 2015 09:53 geript wrote:
Vote Count

Trfel (1): Chezinu, VisceraEyes
Hopeless1der (4): raynpelikoneet, rsoultin, ruXxar, raynpelikoneet, Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, Vivax, Palmar
ruXxar (0): raynpelikoneet, Vivax, Vivax, Palmar
VisceraEyes (1): Artanis[XP], deconduo
deconduo (6): VisceraEyes, rsoultin, Artanis[Xp], VisceraEyes, prplhz, Hopeless1der, Palmar, Trfel
Damdred (0): Palmar, prplhz, Vivax
Chezinu (0): prplhz

Not Voting (1): Damdred

[blue]Currently deconduo is set to be lynched.
Day 1 ends on August 12 02:00 GMT (+00:00) in

On August 16 2015 09:39 ruXxar wrote:
Vivax do you prefer a no-lynch over lynching prpl?

On August 16 2015 09:42 Chezinu wrote:
What is better... a green troll check or... an almost valid Chezinu Rule?

On August 16 2015 09:47 Chezinu wrote:

Damdred was first.. does it still apply?

On August 16 2015 10:41 Chezinu wrote:

Vivax are you smart mafia this game?

On August 16 2015 10:45 Chezinu wrote:

You did save my life today.

On August 16 2015 10:49 Chezinu wrote:
So... why we lynching the green bag of truffle chips? Day 1 vote could have gone on ruxxar or truffle... them both knows lots about me though they never played with me before.. but then why would mafia team be filled with so many new players?

On August 16 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:
Yeah I'm just bad this game oh well, I had trfel as scum d1 end n1 and start of d2 oh well bad decisions were made.

chez why does the chez rule fo on me when I didn't really show suspicion on you but just said I usually hope a big shoots you...

Anyway I'll think about last scum

On August 16 2015 11:10 Damdred wrote:


So your going to try to convince the thread that a hard bus player is weakly trying to swing lynch away from his partners?

Says trfel is prefered lynch d1, says trfel is scum.

Does jump to prp loses town cred.

On August 16 2015 11:51 Damdred wrote:
Btw rsoultin was kinda spewed town by truffle I guess in first few posts...so that is interesting. Yay I take it for a good read

On August 16 2015 18:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Alright, let's get this show on the road.
People I will 100% never ever lynch:
Raynpelikoneet - Should be obvious. Tried leading a lynch on two mafia on both days, very (inter)active, etc.
RuXxar - Absolutely town in tone, cares way too much, has been right on both days.

People I will 99% not lynch:
Vivax - Day 1 Vivax looked really town, and he hopped on the right wagons on both days. What does worry me is that he's fallen off since then and hasn't posted as much and that's typically scum Vivax, but I just don't think Vivax would vote Trfel when coming back if he were mafia because I don't think he'd go for the long long game.

That's my starting point.