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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:49 GMT
#1136
On July 27 2015 12:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Scott if you are the vigilante i suggest you claim.

@scott

Please don't

Don't confirm or deny or comment on you being cop or vig today please. Unless you have a red check or you're getting lynched.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 07:57 GMT
#1138
@NocturneMage:
On July 24 2015 03:49 NocturneMage wrote:
Having read other games, seems like some people lose their heads in this game?

What other games did you read ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:06 GMT
#1140
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:13 GMT
#1143
On July 27 2015 17:10 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal.


Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town.
I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did.
I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him.

Will read his filter again later.

Are you talking about this game
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:20 GMT
#1145
On July 27 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
Then you don't understand how thinking works. In what world does Mafia Flexes think you are a Vigilante, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE VIGILANTE?? And in what world does Mafia n00bKing think that you are a Cop, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE COP?? If the roleblock goes uncountered, then you're right on the edge of being completely confirmed Town. And yet you're STILL actively playing against the Town's win condition, by putting forth reasoning like this, and setting the stage for a mislynch on me.

Of course that doesn't make you or Flexes confirmed mafia.
But the mafia team took the risk of hitting the veteran to roleblock me. Completely dismissing the possibility of them afraid of my powers, like you're doing, is ridiculous.

On July 27 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
Actually, for me to ignore your scummy request is not suspicious at all. For you to MAKE your scummy request, that is what's suspicious. As I said, you're right on the cusp of being confirmed Town. But continue to push things that have EXCLUSIVELY scum motivation. Why would a Town player EVER ask me to cut the explanation of your lie down to 1 sentence, when I have already so thoroughly explained it through the use of more sentences? You're asking me to intentionally use poor communication, instead of good communication. If that's not scummy, nothing is, because it invites my words to be misinterpreted, or worse.

It is a valid request, because I explained how I didn't lie and you're still saying I'm lying.

On July 27 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
You said that he thought long and hard before making the post, instead of being free of mind and just posting what he felt, and then said that you never said his remarks required thought, and admitted that his remarks are off-the-cuff instant reactions.

Good summary. I don't see any lie though.

On July 27 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
Now, IF you are Town, then start talking like someone who at least has SOME minimal amount of interest in achieving the Town's win condition. And if you CAN'T help me achieve the Town's win condition, then at the very least, GET OUT OF THE WAY.

I am trying to solve the game. You are (still) attacking my credibility.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:22 GMT
#1146
On July 27 2015 17:18 disformation wrote:
Just arrived at work. Short thought-dump / updates.

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote:
Second, I was roleblocked.

My potential night actions were:

On July 26 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
Alright first thing about actions:

If I was cop I would check noobking.
If I was vig I would shoot Flexes.


So I believe one of these two is mafia.


I think this is pretty much WIFOM. Can you make a case on either without relying on that?

I agree that is WIFOM. And yes I can and will make cases on my scum reads. Before that I have a lot of stuff to reread though.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:23 GMT
#1148
@noobking: what is you read on TT ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:26 GMT
#1149
On July 27 2015 17:23 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:18 disformation wrote:
Just arrived at work. Short thought-dump / updates.

On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote:
Second, I was roleblocked.

My potential night actions were:

On July 26 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
Alright first thing about actions:

If I was cop I would check noobking.
If I was vig I would shoot Flexes.


So I believe one of these two is mafia.


I think this is pretty much WIFOM. Can you make a case on either without relying on that?

It's so much worse than WIFOM. For his theory to make sense, the Scum team has to actually be playing against their own win condition, just for the *sake* of WIFOM. And the Day 1 lynch result hardly left them any room to be playing against their own win condition, in favor of being sneaky.



Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:

1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.

2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill.

Of course that is WIFOM, but dismissing that possibility like you're doing is completely ridiculous.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:29 GMT
#1150
On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:23 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:18 disformation wrote:
Just arrived at work. Short thought-dump / updates.

On July 27 2015 16:25 Rels wrote:
Second, I was roleblocked.

My potential night actions were:

On July 26 2015 17:39 Rels wrote:
Alright first thing about actions:

If I was cop I would check noobking.
If I was vig I would shoot Flexes.


So I believe one of these two is mafia.


I think this is pretty much WIFOM. Can you make a case on either without relying on that?

It's so much worse than WIFOM. For his theory to make sense, the Scum team has to actually be playing against their own win condition, just for the *sake* of WIFOM. And the Day 1 lynch result hardly left them any room to be playing against their own win condition, in favor of being sneaky.



Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:

1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.

2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill.

Of course that is WIFOM, but dismissing that possibility like you're doing is completely ridiculous.

@noobking: do you agree these two situations are possible ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:34 GMT
#1153
On July 27 2015 17:30 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
Then you don't understand how thinking works. In what world does Mafia Flexes think you are a Vigilante, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE VIGILANTE?? And in what world does Mafia n00bKing think that you are a Cop, and roleblock you because he's afraid that you're going to do EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD DO IF YOU WERE THE COP?? If the roleblock goes uncountered, then you're right on the edge of being completely confirmed Town. And yet you're STILL actively playing against the Town's win condition, by putting forth reasoning like this, and setting the stage for a mislynch on me.

Of course that doesn't make you or Flexes confirmed mafia.
But the mafia team took the risk of hitting the veteran to roleblock me. Completely dismissing the possibility of them afraid of my powers, like you're doing, is ridiculous.

Oh hey look, you're misrepresenting my position. I am SO surprised. Read it again. I did not eliminate the possibility of the scum team thinking you might be a Cop or Vig. I only eliminated two extremely specific scenarios. One where Flexes is Scum and thinks you're the Vig, and one where I am scum and think you're the Cop. Every other scenario where you're a Vig or Cop can still make sense.

It is WIFOM to eliminate these two scenarios.

On July 27 2015 17:30 n00bKing wrote:
There is something else that I really want to add on this topic, which more strongly demonstrates how I'm right and you're wrong, but it should wait until after the game.

Then don't talk about it ...

On July 27 2015 17:30 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
It is a valid request, because I explained how I didn't lie and you're still saying I'm lying.

Your explanation was false. I'll just leave it at that, instead of rehashing the whole thing over again, while I wait to see if there's a counterclaim on your roleblock (though I don't expect one, because I can't understand why you would fakeclaim the block).
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:
Good summary. I don't see any lie though.

The explanation of how I can know it's a lie immediately followed the summary. But of course, you didn't respond to that part of my post. However, "I'll just leave it at that, instead of rehashing the whole thing over again."

You're talking about this:
On July 27 2015 17:12 n00bKing wrote:
There you go. Your positions are incompatible with one another. And you could have admitted that you made a mistake instead of telling the lie, or you could have tried to say that it only looks like a lie because you changed your mind. But you never did. You only stood by the lie, and defended the lie.

My positions are not incompatible with one another, as I've already said. So no, I do not see how I'm lying.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:37 GMT
#1155
On July 27 2015 17:31 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:23 Rels wrote:
@noobking: what is you read on TT ?

I already upgraded him from Town to DumbTown. If Ticktock is Scum, I'll eat my hat.

So your likely mafia team is Sulfu + Flexes or NM I think ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:39 GMT
#1156
On July 27 2015 17:36 Tictock wrote:
@ Rels
I was like certain (and it still confuses me) that scum would RB their NK in a setup with a Vet, so a no kill only made sense to me as a medic save.

OK that makes a ton of sense.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:42 GMT
#1158
On July 27 2015 17:39 Tictock wrote:
Rels you two...

I'm pretty close to not reading the posts you two make at each other.

You would be missing a textbook lesson on "how to make a ton a posts nobody reads and pretend to contribute" by the king himself.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:43 GMT
#1160
On July 27 2015 17:36 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 11:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am a veteran.


Not "the" veteran, "a" veteran. So I was thinking it was a weird "I'm a verteran (player)" joke

Clearly my mistake was thinking rayn would ever say something non-serious....

Not sure what you believed rayn would ever say something non-serious though ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:50 GMT
#1165
On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:

1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.

2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill.

Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town).

The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker.

???

I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:52 GMT
#1167
On July 27 2015 17:49 Tictock wrote:
@ Rels and n00b

When you are done with each other, could you please explain to me why we shouldn't lynch Moosy today?

No idea ATM. I had a town feel on him. I don't like his "I am mafia" posts. Will see on rereading.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:55 GMT
#1169
On July 27 2015 17:52 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:34 Rels wrote:
My positions are not incompatible with one another, as I've already said.

Which is what I mean when I say that you continue to defend the lie.

Then it's weird you're townreading me then. My rb claim can be wifomed, just like the scenario where you rb me.

I feel like you prepared this read switch on me since yesterday. Will check that during rereading.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:56 GMT
#1170
@noobking

To be clear: you think these two things are true:

- I lied
- I am town

Confirm ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:57 GMT
#1173
@ruxxar so that is not lost:

On July 27 2015 17:13 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:10 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal.


Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town.
I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did.
I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him.

Will read his filter again later.

Are you talking about this game

Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 08:59 GMT
#1174
On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:

1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.

2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill.

Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town).

The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker.

???

I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check.

lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?

I don't understand. You are saying:

- I'm probably not the cop
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you

I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part.
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