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On July 18 2015 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yamato is town because there is a clarly seen thought process behind his posting. Imo his posts as mafia lack that. It's hard to explain. I'll elaborate further in case people think he is mafia when i get home in ~10h.
Wow thought more about this post of yours and it's pretty weird.
I'm not scum reading yamato but I would like you to expand anyway. Your read of him is so weird, 'cause he didn't post any thought process before I asked about Onegu. Where is the thought process in his filter ?
On July 18 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
I propose a policy lynch of plotspot
On July 18 2015 08:31 yamato77 wrote:
I still want to lynch plotspot.
On July 18 2015 11:32 yamato77 wrote:
Geript also not a terrible lynch.
Neither is FF for that matter.
But I'm getting ahead of myself.
On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote:
rayn could be town
On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote:
damdred almost certainly is btw
I also think onegu is leaning town
On July 18 2015 18:18 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 18:14 Rels wrote:I have town leans on yamato KSC and damdred atm. On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote:
I also think onegu is leaning town Can you explain ? 'cause he seems to post a looot more than the last few games I obs of him, where he was town each time I think. it's early in this game and there aren't many posts overall onegu has been fairly active early in this game, however trollish he has been
On July 18 2015 18:22 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:On July 18 2015 18:18 yamato77 wrote:On July 18 2015 18:14 Rels wrote:I have town leans on yamato KSC and damdred atm. On July 18 2015 18:09 yamato77 wrote:
I also think onegu is leaning town Can you explain ? 'cause he seems to post a looot more than the last few games I obs of him, where he was town each time I think. it's early in this game and there aren't many posts overall onegu has been fairly active early in this game, however trollish he has been That may be bad meta, but I remember town Onegu being mostly AFK day 1 in all the games I obsed, and in each game people kept saying how Onegu loved being scum and was AFK as town to justify that. so if he plays early D1 he's mafia? it is almost certainly bad meta
So where is the thought process here ?
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I will when i am actually able to quote posts and posting does not take forever.
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On July 18 2015 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I will when i am actually able to quote posts and posting does not take forever.
Alright.
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On July 18 2015 18:41 plotspot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 08:16 plotspot wrote:
Ok, I see what's up with this game. I'm gonna sleep now. 0:00 AM deadline is really perfect.^^ To clarify on this. I simply meant that the game is slower than I anticipated, people reserving their thoughts or are simply not there at that moment, and I really didn't look at the thread anymore after this post, I didn't know it picked up some activity. About the forced emotes, it's just the way it is, I sometimes put them there if I feel like, I wouldn't interpret too much into it. XD ^^ XD ^^ Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 07:58 KelsierSC wrote:On July 18 2015 07:52 plotspot wrote:
I think jesus was policy lynched right? A lot of crying women 'we know you're innocent, but god forgive us'. XD what the fuck are you talking about? A bit a strange but here are my chain of thoughts after yamato suggests a policy lynch so early. "what does such an early suggestion bring? Is he asking for information? what is it based on? Is it based on the vanilla cop claim? what does it bring town if they policy-lynch wrongly? Who else was wrongly lynched? Ah jesus was kinda lynched wrongly, and some people knew it, but couldn't do anything about it. Really if it's too confusing, ignore it. After 3 games, I kinda noticed I have this natural tendency to confuse people, because I think a lot but only post the "end thought". I try to improve that, but it's probably still gonna be difficult.
Alright good enough for me to unvote. Plus I checked your two games on the database and that's true that smiley for you are NAI.
##Unvote
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Anyways this game looks pretty easy atm if people keep up with the current level of towntelling. 
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Smiley reads are dumb.
Robik tried that once. He was right on my alignment exactly 50% of the time rofl.
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Why did I claim vanilla cop?
I think it won't hurt town and it leaves mafia guessing whether I really am Cop or VT.
1. If i'm VT than the real cop is fine, mafia still wants to check out what I am or possibly kill me and might waste a turn. If we have Medic for example they could protect me with a chance mafia will kill me. If I die we still only lose a VT.
2. If I'm cop I wifomed Mafia into taking other targets, and I would be safe. If there is a medic they could protect me.
I guess it's not that significant in the end. It keeps mafia guessing a bit. The medic role in both scenarios is interesting, if we have one, but the question is will mafia risk it?
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On July 18 2015 19:04 plotspot wrote:
Why did I claim vanilla cop?
I think it won't hurt town and it leaves mafia guessing whether I really am Cop or VT.
1. If i'm VT than the real cop is fine, mafia still wants to check out what I am or possibly kill me and might waste a turn. If we have Medic for example they could protect me with a chance mafia will kill me. If I die we still only lose a VT.
2. If I'm cop I wifomed Mafia into taking other targets, and I would be safe. If there is a medic they could protect me.
I guess it's not that significant in the end. It keeps mafia guessing a bit. The medic role in both scenarios is interesting, if we have one, but the question is will mafia risk it?
You told damdred that "it would be fun" but now apparently there is some next level night kill play.
interesting as this is, do you have any reads so far ?
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That's just my thoughts. If you guys have experience and can point out why a vanilla cop claim is bad (besides drawing attention to it, which is really up to the rest of the people too to divert attention away from it), I will certainly rescind from doing so in the next games.
It was also something I was curious to try and see how people react to it. I'm kinda paranoid sometimes, I don't like to explain everything, because usually mafia reads here too and they get to know all the information and can adapt their play, but the explanation for vanilla cop is not something that gives them real information, I'm sure they have figured it out by themselves.
I always have to ask myself the question: will the info I reveal benefit town or mafia more? I know most here believe if you have info, share it with town, because town are in the majority. I'll try to consider this more.
Ok, enough with technicalities. I'm trying to figure out what's everyone's up to. I have some thoughts but they are ambiguous at the moment. I will post reads later when the picture becomes more convergent.
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Well i am waiting for your conclusions about your "reaction test".
Also how does "keep mafia guessing if i am a cop or vt" differ from not claiming anything?
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On July 18 2015 19:23 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 19:04 plotspot wrote:
Why did I claim vanilla cop?
I think it won't hurt town and it leaves mafia guessing whether I really am Cop or VT.
1. If i'm VT than the real cop is fine, mafia still wants to check out what I am or possibly kill me and might waste a turn. If we have Medic for example they could protect me with a chance mafia will kill me. If I die we still only lose a VT.
2. If I'm cop I wifomed Mafia into taking other targets, and I would be safe. If there is a medic they could protect me.
I guess it's not that significant in the end. It keeps mafia guessing a bit. The medic role in both scenarios is interesting, if we have one, but the question is will mafia risk it?
You told damdred that "it would be fun" but now apparently there is some next level night kill play. interesting as this is, do you have any reads so far ?
Fun and curiosity was part of the reason, but it was not everything. It is not "now", I thought about something like this a few weeks ago. My reads will come later, I have to do some chores. :/
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On July 18 2015 19:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i am waiting for your conclusions about your "reaction test".
Also how does "keep mafia guessing if i am a cop or vt" differ from not claiming anything?
This is kinda hard to explain. It's a sort of gravity thing, instead of everything being neutral and mafia guessing elsewhere, the focus will be more on whether I'm VT or Cop. Now If I said that, you could say I am VT, because obviously I want the attention on me, but then again that means I'm not the Cop and mafia would look elsewhere. But maybe I am the Cop and I want exactly that. But then again, I can't be the Cop, a cop would not say anything and not claim vanilla cop. Or maybe I am a cop speculating on medic protection...
Well, imo it is different, but hard to pinpoint exactly. Also it depends on the mafia team. If they choose to ignore everything I said, then you're right, it makes no difference, but then it is not for me to decide whether claiming vanilla cop or not does make a difference.
Ok, I'm really off now.
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I think - if you are town - you should focus more onto finding mafia instead of trying to confuse them (because this certainly confuses the town - and it's bad).
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my brain
I like rayn, rels and Damdred
I want yamato and geript to explain their reads on eachother.
I don't like plotspot
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Alright still here for 1 hour then I'll be gone until tomorrow. So if anyone wants to discuss something it'll be cool.
Especially this AFK list of people:
VayneAuthority
milo109
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Rayn and I use the same metric for reading Yamato, and a lot of it comes from experience in playing with him
For instance the somewhat pushing the policy lynch and some of his other posts just feel like he's thinking about the game a little bit at least. I can't quote atm but I'm pretty sure he is town.
Oneg might be scum for actually trying early d1 instead of using the oneg rule or trolling around until later.
I think rayn is town here, he seems much more measured.
Like kels as well.
And to ff statement about anger some of your posts fo feel angry or perturbed like when I had to drag a interaction out of you, and when you are willing to get your page of filter fast about nothing
meh ff could still be scum
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Well yeah, Damdred put that yamato read well.
Yamato will explain what he is thinking eventually. At the moment i don't care what his thought process is but i can see there being one. That is how i literally read yamato early on in the game. I am not claiming i am 100% accurate on that this early on, but i am really confident i will get his alignment right when he starts posting more and making bigger posts that actually show his thought process.
And yes, so far he seems town for his posts. There is no bullshit like in scumato posts there pretty much always is more or less even more.
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Damdred can you elaborate on your FF read?
Am i missing something? He is my strongest townread after Rels.
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On July 19 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote:
And to ff statement about anger some of your posts fo feel angry or perturbed like when I had to drag a interaction out of you, and when you are willing to get your page of filter fast about nothing
meh ff could still be scum
this is in fact a really terrible read Damdred.
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Kelsier why do you like Damdred?
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