EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden
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On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia. My vote is serious now. Please explain this statement in more detail. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If my vote is shit why wouldn't you vote Holyflare? I also think the reasoning you gave about his marv read was bad. That does not say anything about Holyflare though. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:36 Holyflare wrote: he didn't say that, he said he didn't like obi's vote on me because marv hadn't done shit and marv doesn't do shit as mafia I know? Seems like a perfectly reasonable conclusion. | ||
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On July 06 2015 09:52 geript wrote: The fucking point is God damn learn to fucking read me. There's very little I do as town I wouldn't as mafia. Regardless of any other circumstances. So quit posting bullshit about how I would or wouldn't do shit as mafia because you're wrong about it. Just learn how to fucking read me and then listen to my goddamn stellar town reads when I'm town. There is no way to read me so learn to fucking read me ffs. lol | ||
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On July 06 2015 10:33 KelsierSC wrote: i am interested in your POV , to quote the porn industry, at this point I don't have any reads I am willing to share. Thread has been boring so far. | ||
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On July 06 2015 10:42 KelsierSC wrote: well you made a few comments and asked obi a question so i thought you had sumat just the two of us right now, i think we can make it if we try, you and i , can figure this out Unless you can magically make the thread more interesting I doubt it. If you have some kickass case you want my opinion on fire away. My motivation to put in effort right now is quite minimal. | ||
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I have no opinion on him. Why is he mafia? | ||
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On July 06 2015 10:57 KelsierSC wrote: because clarity made scummy posts, and he said "clarity is town " so it feels stupid as fck I would agree that it is a weird read. But making stupid/weird reads isn't a thing only mafia does and you could argue that going against thread sentiment is a towny thing to do. Doesn't sway me. | ||
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On July 06 2015 10:59 Damdred wrote: what about ls there is a decentlys strong meta case oj him being scum There might be something to it but I would have to check his meta myself to confirm and I am too lazy to do that. What I can say is that his immediate reaction (the smoking weed stuff) looked overdefensive to me. | ||
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On July 06 2015 11:07 KelsierSC wrote: alright so let me tempt you THUSLY!!!! what if i say damdred is mafia because his rsoul read is less convincing than a previous game but he is still like oh fuck yeh town zong! Damdred has been actively pushing the thread forward. I see no reason to scumread him so far. He rarely explains his tonereads adequately as town. | ||
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On July 06 2015 11:22 Damdred wrote: Yeah see now you just sound fake. for instance Scott has what 8 games played maybe? I haven't counted exactly how many but its a good sample size and all of then are recentish. Now in previous games ls when asked even early on would break out ten tons of meta in the first few pages and come to a conclusion. Whatever game we just played ls did this and I was able to meta him as town in the first few pages and you gave me hell about it until I explained my meta read on him being town which was 100% right. now in that game he metad shockey and went through all his games that were years old to try to get some form of read, he failed to come to a super solid conclussioj but the effort was there with little to go ok and he did the work. Here like I mentioned earlier he had already hinted he was leaning scum on Scott. When confronted with this he 100% shifted all the work to the thread and said here's the games I'll wait to do this till later when that's the opposite of what he normally would do and soon as the thread turned its attention away from ls he dissapeared and fave nothing more. And I'm not sure if you are scum or just bad for acting this way and throwing dirt on me. I like this push. Keep going. | ||
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On July 06 2015 16:37 Holyflare wrote: I also have no idea why you repeatedly jump to people's defences before they even speak for themselves. Not only does it inhibit people playing the game and getting their groove on but it constantly gives the people under pressure multiple outs and feelings of less pressure. Back off and go to bed. You're messing with things you don't understand. Take away the assholery and I agree with this post. Rsoultin might be mafia for this. Trfel has been really awkward so far. It seems like he is desperately trying to seem casual and derail the thread. I wouldn't mind one of those questions but this just doesn't look genuine. On July 06 2015 15:11 Trfel wrote: Any thoughts on private versus public education systems? On July 06 2015 15:18 Trfel wrote: Talk about something other than mafia.... How are those Spanish classes going? On July 06 2015 16:42 Trfel wrote: Hey Holyflare, you noticed I got first place in the TL Mafia Fantasy Proleague group, right? On July 06 2015 17:28 Trfel wrote: Side note, why are girls so confusing.... (and no, I'm not talking about anyone in this game) At this point I think this is forced. | ||
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On July 06 2015 21:06 marvellosity wrote: It's a little weird that you agree with HF on something rsoultin said, but then go on to say exactly the same thing HF said about Trfel (which he's been a lot more vocal about) but try to put it in your own words why not just say you agree with HF's Trfel read? You didn't add anything to what he said. If this was Holyflare's main point then I missed that but I thought he called Trfel mafia for being uninteresting and lacking towny thoughts. What I posted is what I dislike the most about Trfel. If you think that this is exactly what HF said then consider it an agreement. | ||
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On July 06 2015 21:14 marvellosity wrote: Hadron not reading the thread very well, noted Murvellosity not reading the thread well enough to spell my name, noted I knew that HF said something about this earlier but I did not have the impression that it was his main argument. Not that it really matters. | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:32 LightningStrike wrote: So nothing? Well what you think of HTS's Miller Claim? What do you think of it since you are the one bringing it up? | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote: Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum i'll explain later Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote: Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question. | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:43 marvellosity wrote: dangerous assumption I know, I know. Let's still do it. | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote: Swahili I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote: I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ I will make this easy to you since even though you are happy to ridicule my intelligence you do not seem to get what this is all about. Why do you doubt your townread on him? What about the retardation makes him scummy? Are townies not retarded? | ||
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On July 06 2015 22:58 rsoultin wrote: ... See. He's clearly not getting it. I don't expect that level of stupid from kels. Specifically. Kels. You are the one not getting it. Ok, you do not expect that level of stupid. Why does it make him mafia? Why would mafia Kelsier be more likely to be stuopid than town Kelsier? | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:01 ruXxar wrote: boxerfred, rescind your cop claim pls. No need for shenanigans here. I don't think you need to worry. I doubt he is being serious about this. | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote: I'm done with this marv. I said hf prob scum and i'm retracting HARD giantess on Kels.. Tired of repeating myself, not do I have the time for it. Obv if he's scum that push is too stupid to.achieve anything anyway so why WOULD he hold onto.org? ... Yes, you repeated yourself way too often. No, you never answered the initial question. If it makes no sense to do as scum why is he scummy for doing it? You aren't making sense. | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote: Lol ruxx/hf prob scum Get rekt To the rest of y'all...learn to read Feel free to elaborate on those reads at any point. Until then I will consider this post white noise. | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:20 rsoultin wrote: Said I would later stop being shot. White noise indeed lol School I realize i'm not direct enough marv. What you fail to realize is that there are a good many ppl who understand me petfectly. After ippo you'd think it would click why I treat certain ppl differently when they can't get simple things like when I say i'm retracting a hard townread it's not the same as calling lack scum. It means geript is lonely in my top townreads slot If you retract a townread I will always assume that the townread did something scummy. If your top townreads are actually intelligence reads then please say so before so we can avoid pointless shitfights like this one in the future. | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote: But he never did get an answer nor did he follow up. Harkon didn't have any thoughts regarding anything that was going on in the thread at this point so you'd think the one thing he asks about he would push for an answer. Other than that there's not much original thought, he goes off the posts of others and says "I like this" and "you should elaborate on this" a lot. Even his little spat with rsoultin just now was only after kelsier was on about the whole xP thing. He's just kinda following the rhythm of the thread. Harkon do you think rsoultin is scum, or what? I did get an answer to my question to Obi even though he was not addressing me directly and it wasn't as interesting as I had hoped. It is too early to give a strong read on rsoultin but she does not look towny and normally she does as town. | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:33 boxerfred wrote: Marv is really Holding himself back, dropping lines but not really entering conversations. I dunno about pages 20 to 40 since i only skimmed. Is that normal or at least okayish for him? Please read the whole thread before making incorrect assumptions. | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:49 Holyflare wrote: Kelsier's silly effort is likely towny, marv is k for now, ruxxar still cool uhhhh hardon hehe seems ok, oats cool Shit tier list awesome That list isn't shit tier. | ||
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How is that a scumslip? | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:23 Clarity_nl wrote: The VT PM is "DLME Investigator" so either oats is scum hunting blues, or he's town hunting people who are either scum/blue, which you know, is great for town either way. Since you already did this at the start of the game the chance of something like that being a scumslip is almost nonexistant. I do not understnd geripts reaction though. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote: no red text in that statement. Am i getting wooshed here or does geript really believe that claiming cop will convince people. No idea what he is doing to be honest even if he was dumbledore (probably isn't) he would not have a check yet. | ||
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Quite an ironic statement. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: OH LOL. no i didnt mean the role. Why would I be talking about the role. I don't think anyone assumed you were? | ||
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I was about to point that out too. HTS says the jury is still out on Trfel but this statement seems like he has a firm townread in him. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:03 Harkon wrote: I was about to point that out too. HTS says the jury is still out on Trfel but this statement seems like she has a firm townread on him. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:08 Half the Sky wrote: I'm actually confused by what you two are saying, particularly Harkon. Let me break it down. If I missed soemthing on these two (I just read the thread in entirety so it's possible I did) or if something is wrong, call me out. HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel. I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11. I am trying to interpret HF's read on Trfel but I am struggling with that, but I will also look at how he's reading others more closely. The read on Trfel was what jumped out at me. Marv - only 2 options being bad or mafia? Or are you suggesting that HF at some point TRed him? I missed that if he did. The third option would be that HF is not bad and Trfel is mafia and you do not seem to even consider this possibility. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote: Not a scumslip. The thing with Trfel I am trying to take everything into account. If you want to accuse me of selective reasoning, yeh I missed the part about HF's reasoning from last game, but that's what happens when you read the entire thread in one shot, you are bound to not collect everything. Of course I'll make a mistake. The first post/subsequent AFKing part is a trait I've seen in his town games. From my own meta/experience with him, he's town. I am also aware he's recently had scum success though, so I would think he's going to be smart enough to replicate his town game as much as possible. Since his analysis/filter arguments, etc are what apparently won him the game in NSM11 that I feel is the most critical component to work on, hence the null read. Am I making sense now? The point is however that Trfel did not afk immediately. He was really desperate to get some irrelevant out of game discussion going. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:22 Holyflare wrote: yessss i'm already like "sweet can destroy people with marv this game" in my head like 5 mins ago This seems optimal. Will just sheep our british overlords and in case Holyflare is mafia blame marv for it. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:49 marvellosity wrote: i see i don't need to post. My thoughts exactly. | ||
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You are an ISTP? That's surprising. | ||
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On July 07 2015 01:59 marvellosity wrote: funnily enough, the I was the strongest preference of the lot ^_^ That's really strange to me. ESTP here with T being by far the strongest. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:02 marvellosity wrote: i know, i know, i'm so naturally charismatic and leadery and witty. *giggles* I don't know if those are the words I would choose but yeah. I would have guessed an E for you for sure. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:07 Holyflare wrote: I's are far superior I am sure they are. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:15 LightningStrike wrote: 1. He seems to be joking and around a lot early and doing some work which I know he can do as scum 2. His early posting with his claims and stuff seems very similar to how posted day 1 when he got lynched. 3. Forgot about Wave and marv. Slight town on Marv he seems happy this game. Wave prob town I sheeping Geripts read on him since they can soul read each other. Why are you sheeping geripts read if you think he could be scum? | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote: I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes. Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick. 1) Trfel has not started doing a little bit of something. 2) Posting useless drivel should also not make him more town to you. 3) Ruxxar seems pretty towny to me. 4) Geript is way more likely to be dick as town. Conclusion: I disagree with this post in it's entirety. It is astonishing. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:34 Vivax wrote: 1) He posted some scumreads. 2) No and it shouldn't make him mafia to anyone either. 3) The sky seems pretty green to me. 4) But is he likely to ignore his scumreads in a list and instead comment on two random people he didn't mention before to defend Wave and then the thing Palmar pointed out? 2) Then why would you stop sheeping the case on him based on that? | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:37 Vivax wrote: You people are trying to force me to read him one way or another and I won't do that. Bugger off. Let him play some more first, I want to kill geript. No, us people are questioning your nonsensical switch from "I am sheeping this" to "I am not sheeping this anymore" based on posts that you admit should not make you townread him. | ||
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Please stop shitting up the thread with this unless you have new relevant arguments about someones alignment. Yes, it is weird how dismissive and condescending Holyflare is towards you, rsoultin. I am well aware of that. But instead of ranting about it try to find actual arguments for why what he says about Trfel is not true. If you are town you are not achieving anything by throwing a fit. HF stop trying to make her rage. It's the best excuse for her to avoid contributing meaningful things. | ||
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On July 07 2015 02:49 Vivax wrote: You are playing this game as if you were a referee: From the sidelines. Time to get your hands dirty, you aren't pushing anything, just commenting on anything that passes by. I am fine with being a referee from the sidelines. Who wants dirty hands anyways? | ||
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On July 06 2015 20:59 Harkon wrote: Trfel has been really awkward so far. It seems like he is desperately trying to seem casual and derail the thread. I wouldn't mind one of those questions but this just doesn't look genuine. At this point I think this is forced. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:15 Half the Sky wrote: geript has done this as mafia - the read on sandroba in JOAT is what comes to mind when they were both mafia, not to mention he has gotten mislynched before when people don't understand him - there was Carnaval and also NSM11... And I don't know how you can say ruxxar "is so totally different" when in last game he replaced in and he could play the way he did partially because he replaced in. I'm not saying that in of itself makes him one alignment or another but I think the basis for your comparison is flawed. Also, Ras did make a good point on him on the LS quote "lynching for bad reasons" and I see the phrasing from ruxxar like "how are you not explaining yourself in a clear and concise manner," etc etc it is just like some of the phrasing he DID use last game as mafia. Granted, maybe I have to read his NSM11 game one more time since I thought he was mafia from the obs qt, he didn't do a great job for himself in that game. But some of hte things he says I do get a feel that he tries to turn things around on people. If he does that as town or did that as town in NSM, then different criteria should be used to evaluate him. To me the argument about ruxxar and geript is quite similar actually. After quickly checking his himalaya filter ruxxar is posting very carefully and thoughtful there while it is the complete opposite in this game. The same applies to geript to an extent. As mafia he generally makes really thought out and well constructed posts. He is also generally way more townread as scum. As town he has very polarizing and borderline nonsensical reads and gets scumread. I am not really concerned with either of them at the moment. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:17 rsoultin wrote: harkon, what you got? you've been hanging back, and only one person i know i'm actually fine letting that slide with cause that's how he plays, but i don't think you're him anymore Well, how unfortunate for me. | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote: no idea how anyone can possibly think i'm mafia  please | ||
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On July 07 2015 03:51 Half the Sky wrote: Nothing from ritoky yet? ##vote ritoky I'm going to assume he is still in thread... in any case, ritoky, do you have even one scumread you are sure on independent of anyone else? Fine. Let's make him play. ##Vote: ritoky | ||
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Why? He is clearly here and marvs stuff is decent enough. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:08 KelsierSC wrote: because your "pressure" vote is totally pointless if you qualify it in the same post. No, it is not. He either plays and is towny or he dies. This is not a pure pressure vote. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:12 ritoky wrote: You shouldn't be so whilly-nilly about placing your vote on town in a majority lynch game. Thanks for the advice! | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote: 1-shot dumbledore move on. Why would you claim this early without even trying to get townread instead? Not buying it. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:17 ritoky wrote: It is majority lynch, halfway to a majority; no point in risking it. I am a low priority rb/nk at this point so bullets and abilities wasted on me is as beneficial to the town as a check. Plus pregnant wife close to giving birth and not caring about wanting to defend myself. The day isn't even half over. This is majority not instant majority. And you are a high priority rb/nk now if you actually are what you claim to be. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:23 ruXxar wrote: @Harkon, Is ritoky your top scumread? If not, who is? I do not have a top scumread I just have people I am happy to lynch and he is one of them. This claim is really odd. | ||
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He is probably mafia trying to buy himself time knowing that he will never have to prove himself. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote: I see claiming has accrued me more votes; can't help it if people be bad. Have fun lynching a cop for the 2nd game in a row, I am gonna get my teeth cleaned. Why did you claim without trying anything else first? | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:37 ritoky wrote: I posted for a bit, everyone thought I was more mafia. Damdred came in with a well known soul read on me, which people were going to sheep cuz it is historically accurate. He is wrong or mafia, so I nipped it in the bud and claimed. Simple as pie. You had over 24 hours to convince people otherwise. If damdred has this good of a read on you you should be able to prove yourself to him easily. Or are you sure that he is scum? | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote: Probably not. Maybe someone who is crazy like Alakaslam would pick up that all I cared about were reads and associations and see the cop claim coming, and maybe someone thinks I am slightly town for ignoring people, but otherwise I should be generally null to everyone except marv. Then I don't get why instead of playing the game you just decide to claim like a moron. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote: I typed a giant message in response to this, then erased it because I would have been modkilled. Short answer: mechanics, thinking majority lynch = instant majority lynch (cuz no game i have played that i can remember that is majority isn't also instant), and life interference. You thought it was instant majority? It looks less bad then I guess. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:45 Harkon wrote: You thought it was instant majority? It looks less bad then I guess. Actually, does it? As scum it would also make you more likely to claim. Will have to think about this. I am still naturally suspicious of this claim. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:52 ritoky wrote: Anyways, going to the dentist now. Make sure to poke Palmar and BM about ninja-voting when they inevitably show up after I have left. Don't be a Snape. Those vote are actually interesting because they came after the claim. | ||
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On July 07 2015 04:58 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah probably wastes too much discussion time. Would ritoky really just roll over and die like this as scum? Guess it doesn't matter? :s This is not rolling over and dying. He probably won't be lynched because of this claim. | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:11 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't know. The claim is dumb as either alignment. I feel like he might be town doing this, and I think the correct mechanical play is to not lynch him today. If he legitimately believed this was instant majority then it is not as dumb as it looks at first sight even though he should have looked that up before claiming. | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Nah that's bs, he had 5 votes on him and it takes 13. All he needed to do is start actually contributing. In fact all he had to do was show up and go "give me a bit to read the thread" and no one would have hammered him halfway through d1??? It's still dumb but not as inconceivable as doing this knowing that he still had 24 hours. | ||
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On July 07 2015 05:57 boxerfred wrote: can someone summarize why ritoky is scum? dont wanna read through it now (because 11pm) On July 06 2015 19:54 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: ritoky don't believe this silly "1 of these 3 ppl is mafia" post. last time i played with him we mislynched him d2 because he literally refused to give scumreads out at any stage. And he always goes on about how proud he is of his d1 reads and how careful he is with giving them because he doesn't want to be wrong. Then this lazy throwaway post. boo. Also damdred is/was (?) scumreading him and he apparently has some sort of soulread on ritoky. | ||
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On July 07 2015 06:46 Vivax wrote: Id just expect a fakeclaim to be more generic, whereas the mechanic he mentions is more specific, might be falling into the host wifom trap here so better to disregard i suppose Why would a fakeclaim be more generic? 1-shot is the best fakeclaim. | ||
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On July 07 2015 07:39 ruXxar wrote: You come in out of nowhere and you're still stuck on the "xP"? That ship sailed long ago. Don't know why you even bring that up anymore. I really dislike this post. So much noise I can't even take the message you're trying to convey here seriously. ruXxar for president. | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:26 ruXxar wrote: With the way this game has 1-shot, 2-shot etc, I don't think being un-CC'ed means much at all. Yes, unfortunately. | ||
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On July 07 2015 08:29 Holyflare wrote: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz trfel reaching for that cc claim Come on... who is reaching now? | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:16 marvellosity wrote: may have just attacked a jar of nutella with a spoon. you guys are very angry Mental image of raging marvellosity literally attacking a jar with a spoon. 10/10 | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rso and Hf stop fighting. You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this. ^ Especially rsoultin stop defending people for no reason if you aren't going to explain anything. | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:38 rsoultin wrote: do you have any clue how frustrating this is? HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA maybe the all-caps will make this get through your thick skulls i'm not fucking defending truffle i'm saying hf is fucking mafia for the way he's approaching this >< whatever i'm not doing this anymore you guys keep being obtuse Even if you are right what you are doing right now will make noone want to lynch him so just let it go for now. Your arguments make no sense. | ||
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On July 07 2015 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote: Try Hero Mini Mafia to see how I usually ooze green day 1 That's part of the problem. I recall you being pretty good at being very towny and you are just not in this game. Unfortunately there is no way for me to tell if that is just you being rusty. | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynching BM isnt really a disaster though. Getting rid of BM is not a disaster. Wasting a lynch on him if he is town kinda is. | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:04 Holyflare wrote: towny attitude with scummy posts and thought processes which is pretty similar to carnival so maybe mafia but also maybe not :D Towny attitude means...? | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:06 Holyflare wrote: but yeh hts' read is still super disingenuous after himalayas where bm just didn't play and was town annoyance at being marginalised and wanting to be heard, which is also just a trait of being stubborn and having an ego which is why combined with her actual content and posts might be mafia but also might be not Ok, that's more or less where I'm at too. I want to townread her for the obvious frustration but I don't know if that's really alignment indicative and apart from that I do not see that many reasons to townread her at all. | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:09 Holyflare wrote: you definitely sound like JAT I hope you do not expect an answer to this because I will not answer any question or assumption regarding my identity. | ||
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On July 07 2015 11:37 milo109 wrote: Meh. I think LS is a better lynch. Your case is unconvincing. | ||
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On July 07 2015 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Dont you scumhunt by looking for townreads? How is that of any relevance at all? Talk about his case instead. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:11 Clarity_nl wrote: You are completely misrepresenting me. The questions you asked me were basically "please repeat yourself in a different way" which is a waste of time. I was the one pointing out wave's townread on me at the time made no sense, holyflare responded to MY question when he said there's a good chance WoS is scum. We had this whole conversation already yet you somehow completely ignore it? If you had read the thread the reason marv pointed out my unvote was weird was because he didn't have the context as he simply looked at filters. I asked marv what he was looking at as it struck me as odd we instantly replied to someone asking him a question but he was otherwise not active in the thread. "Has no fear of HF" Alright look fine. When I made the comment when the game just started it was because I had the exact same thought process as him, I realized right after I posted it was probably not great as it would basically be like me claiming VT so I wanted to get away from the whole thing and not talk about it. Too late I guess. I still believe HF is town, mainly due to his contributions and his little spat with rsoultin seems like town on town violence. Just because you haven't seen me post "so yeah I looked over HF and I still think he's town" doesn't mean I didn't go through that process. I kinda want to attack you for being super opportunistic with your case on me but I actually like the case and I think you're probably town soooooo... ??? You think he is misrepresenting you and the rest of your defense also does not indicate that you like the case. What about it makes him town? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't really understand how that's towny though? I do not even think it is that weird. It is a pretty good observation that geript was not reacting to Vivax calling him scum nonstop. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:38 marvellosity wrote: are you telling me this isn't the epitome of his towngame also? meh I wouldn't be opposed to lynching Vivax if it wasn't for his recent towngames. Not sure if I even am opposed to it now. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:40 Palmar wrote: I need to read Trfel at some point. He has a history of being a fantastically easy townread and now I see multiple people questioning him. EBH is top town The problem with Trfel is that he is refusing to do much of anything. He promised some work and didn't deliver. The contributions he made especially about LS aren't good either. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote: basically i am going to keep my vote on ritoky and move it later to wherever needs a majority *shrug* Not gonna fly. How am I supposed to sheep you like this? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:43 marvellosity wrote: basically i am going to keep my vote on ritoky and move it later to wherever needs a majority *shrug* Good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the vote. ##Vote: ritoky | ||
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I don't know if I would call it a top post. Upon further reflection I do not like the wording and the multiple "ands" but I just posted without thinking about it. Thanks I guess. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey you said it man, not me. And the main point is that Harkon is scummy for agreeing with you but then actually trying to go against your wishes and posting reasons to lynch ritoky. LOL | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:05 Damdred wrote: I'm done really really tired of being scum read for whatever I do whenever I'm in any games, hunt town and find scum through pie in scum for doing that. Just looking for scummy behavior and caseing it and I'm scum for that. la te da, fuck that shit I'm getting me Chinese playing final fantasy and I'll be back near deadline fuck it This seems like an unnecessary overreaction. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey you said it man, not me. And the main point is that Harkon is scummy for agreeing with you but then actually trying to go against your wishes and posting reasons to lynch ritoky. Here you are talking aboout this post, right? On July 08 2015 00:50 Harkon wrote: Good idea, ritoky is easily objectively the scummiest, and his one-shot claim is actually meaningless and it's the only reason the votes moved off him when he was leading the vote. ##Vote: ritoky Can you go into more detail about why you think it is scummy and going against marv's wishes? | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote: you really need to read what actually happened, dear. Nooooooo. This is really amusing. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:23 marvellosity wrote: just to repeat my earlier request: if anyone can point to posts from ritoky that give you pause to think he might be town, please speak now My biggest reservation is still that he apparently did not know that it was majority instead of instant majority (sure, he could have lied about that) and I think a mafia should have known this. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:30 marvellosity wrote: i have no idea why you think this makes sense, but ok Don't you think that the lynch type should have at least partially been discussed in the scum qt at some point? Especially if ritoky thinks it is instant majority? Seems very relevant for scum to talk about so unless ritoky is just completely afk from thread AND scumqt that seems weird. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote: actually geript is being a lot less dickish as usual. Hes mafia. I have no idea what kind of game you are reading but it doesn't seem to be this one. | ||
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Not alignment indicative. He would say that as mafia or town and why wouldn't he since it is probably true? | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:43 Oatsmaster wrote: There are like 15 investigators in the game. Everyone vt is an investigator. Clearly geript didnt get the same role pm as us because he assumes there are 2, like im saying investigator instead of cop. He isnt blue either because he would be a lot more careful about doing shit relating to roles. Therefore hes mafia, scumslipped. Geript was probably talking about there being 2 possible investigative roles in the setup. This is never a scumslip. | ||
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I have talked about this ages ago but nice try. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Clearly you didnt get the VT pm because it would be blindingly obvious what I meant when I was talking to geript. I am well aware of what you are talking about and have talked about this before to clarity for example. | ||
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This is extremely stupid since geript says in the very same post that roles (for example the VT role investigator) are listed in the OP. This is weird because geript doesn't connect the investigator to the VT role like I just said. I also already pointed that out when it happened. The 2 investigators comment itself is perfectly fine. | ||
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On July 08 2015 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote: except geript isnt referring to the VT role pm when he says "roles", hes referring to the blue roles available in the game. Doesn't seem that way to me. VT is a role like any other. | ||
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On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote: First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. The bolded suggests to me that he is indeed talking about the VT role. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote: Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead. oops Whatever, more prove that it wasn't a scumslip. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote: because thats clearly what I was talking about if you had gotten the vt role pm. But you didnt, so you messed up. Dude, everyone who read the very first post of the game knows what's up. There is no way anyone would scumslip like this. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Oats loves his scumslips Oats loves being stupid and annoying. | ||
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That's not alignment indicative for him. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:22 Oatsmaster wrote: This is completely pointless, neither me or geript is gonna get lynched today anyway. Finally we agree. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:46 boxerfred wrote: I'm saying we lynch Oats over ritoky because Oats is actively throwing more trash in the thread. We should lynch the scummiest player and not the dumbest. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:10 Vivax wrote: The arguments on Trfel are similar given he also has two reads he didn't really follow through with, AND he didn't claim a role that's gonna get confirmed or not by his survival over the nights. Killing ritoky feels like an unnecessary risk. It's irrational imo. Nothing is gonna get confirmed by ritoky surviving any amount of nights. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:20 Vivax wrote: Harkon I remember you being very keen on arguing against me on why I'm not scumreading Trfel and yet what your filter lacks is precisely that, at this point. What's your read on the dude? I still have no problem with lynching him. No idea why HF changed his mind about him. | ||
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No idea where you see a strong preference. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:30 Holyflare wrote: everyone seems to be dodging hts like a leper Yup, I am doing this. I can kinda see your arguments but on the other hand she claimed miller and usually does not try to clash with townleaders as scum. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:42 ritoky wrote: Those are currently the 2 options because they lead in votes, feel free to make a compelling case and replace one of the two of us. Are those reasons for not lynching me or HtS worth potentially no lynching on day 1? They don't sound worth a no-lynch to me. We still have a few hours. There is no need to be dramatic right now. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:46 Oatsmaster wrote: where do you get the 2nd part of your read from? Her filter from still not themed mafia for example. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:50 marvellosity wrote: oh i see, you're being stupid. As usual. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:51 ruXxar wrote: I don't like how you needed to discredit geript by attacking his personality(not a fan of the cowboy post). Also dont like how you make that one big post about geript, and after that you discard anything geript says, as if his alignment is set in stone: Good post. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:58 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: milo let's have some movement aye ##Unvote ##vote: milo | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:06 Vivax wrote: Not a big fan of this milo wagon. He seems like a newbie to me Newsflash: He IS a newbie. | ||
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Was he attacking ritokys claim? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:18 milo109 wrote: Because it is a 25 person game. So? Didn't that make you at least a little bit suspicious of him? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:20 Half the Sky wrote: Well Harkon, for what it's worth....(bolded) I've never had one-shot anythings in any of my games - should I assume that multiple x-shot roles in the same game are possible? That quote seems pretty irrelevant considering that ritoky claimed his role. And yeah, mutiple x-shot roles are possible. the question however is how likely do you think it is that both of the wagons we created today randomly hit 2 cops. | ||
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Seriously? You do not think it is? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:25 marvellosity wrote: this tickles me. lower than hitting a mafia between them, i'd say... Much lower. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:33 ritoky wrote: When a lynch goes through very easily on day 1 and there's little resistance it is usually on town or derp mafia. That's why I am more inclined to believe milo. The speed at which he garnered votes indicates he is likely town. This is just not true. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:34 Half the Sky wrote: My vote was on you, I can't vote myself. I said a bazillion times you and he were my top two lynches. What is there for me to respond to? Not to mention you asked others why they werent' voting either one of us. Would you please answer HF before he has an aneurysm? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:36 marvellosity wrote: if there is a(nother) cop, claiming now would be totes worth it Not if we are lynching into them anyways. | ||
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The problem is that we are not lynching into a pool of 2 people that likely contains mafia. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Do you guys really think mafia makes this post? I see no reason why not. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:45 Clarity_nl wrote: Scum can just give us a meaningless green check though. Yes, but then he has to justify not being shot or rbed because why would mafia let a claimed cop get a check? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, I don't really think so. Martyring almost always comes from town. No, it doesn't. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:55 boxerfred wrote: I don't think I'll vote for ritoky today. Said before why (not lynching un-cc'ed blue claim if I have other reads). uncced . . . . | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:57 ritoky wrote: Because a two-shot ability does more potential good for town than a 1 shot ability, thus the mechanically correct play is to keep the 2-shot over the 1-shot. doesn't matter though, we're both cops. i am like 96% certain he is a cop. Even if both of you are town this is completely irrelevant because none of you will ever get a check off unless we get incredibly lucky. | ||
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Yes, milo claiming cop for example. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:03 ritoky wrote: and lynching cops increases the likelihood of getting a check out of these claims, A+ logic. Don't play dumb now. The logic is that it is irrelevant if you are 1-shot or 2-shot and both of you are scummy individually hence why you both almost got a majority of voters. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:01 ritoky wrote: people who left no impression on me: BM, vivax, breshke, WoS people i would lynch cuz they were wrong: damdred if we're gonna shennanie onto some1 not mentioned, probably be one of these for me. That's not the worst list I ever saw. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:17 Trfel wrote: I need to leave soon, and I haven't caught up in the thread. I see that milo109 claimed two-shot cop, and Holyflare claimed vigilante. If it's between milo109 and ritoky, I think I lynch ritoky. I don't want to lynch Half the Sky, but I also don't know why people are scumreading her? Anyway, (very) short version of why Holyflare is scum: Someone once said that Holyflare gets mad as town, but not as scum. This isn't really true, but Holyflare's tone seems to be a fairly good way of reading him. For example, in Linux Mafia, Holyflare was mad at most people in the game and towards the end of Day 1 started throwing suspicion more wildly at everyone. His anger didn't really have justification. Contrast with Guardians of the Galaxy, where Holyflare and Alakaslam scumread each other early on. Despite Alakaslam being somewhat scummy (he always is, to some extent), Holyflare eventually agreed that Alakaslam could be town, despite objectively having little reason for it. And he didn't let his anger get in the way of scumhunting. Here, Holyflare's felt way too angry, way too often. One example of this is that he was angry at me. If Holyflare is very confident that I am scum, he should be happy at having caught me, not angry at me for doing scummy things. It makes sense for him to be angry at townies who don't want to lynch me. However, Holyflare's posting didn't at all seem interested in showing people why I am mafia, but instead focused on pointless arguing with me. Holyflare knows when an argument isn't going anywhere, especially when it's with one of his scumreads. Holyflare has no problem filling the thread with nonsense and arguing with no goal in mind. This is really all you have? Really? | ||
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I bet he will be caught up in no time. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:26 Holyflare wrote: I think I'd like him to catch up in the obs qt :D | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:26 Holyflare wrote: I mean, what purpose does trfel's post have if he has no intention of lynching me or getting me lynched? That's the point. He comes in to give a useless read on a player that's not getting lynched and that is his only contribution all day. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:34 Holyflare wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote rsoultin btw No. I will not take part in lynching people who aren't there to defend themselves. If you are what you claim shoot her in the night but we are not lynching her. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:37 marvellosity wrote: we could just lynch MZ Yes, we could. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:38 Holyflare wrote: ok while we are afk voting mz can someone please actually fucking converse with me about rsoultin and not give shitty reads that just say "no", nothing even answered anything I asked for I cannot tell you why she is town because I do not townread her except for what we already talked about (which is at least something) but I am not letting you start a train on her while she is afk. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:51 milo109 wrote: But I'm either going to be killed or roleblocked. So life sucks. I hate you all. That is your own fault for being scummy. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:07 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I voting MZ for now because I don't want to get mod killed but he didn't exactly sya anything in his filter outside let me check the thread and shit. I have a bad feeling about this though because the wagon formed so fast :| Why does a fast wagon mean the guy is town to you? The lynch system is majority. People who do not consolidate will get scumread. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:10 rsoultin wrote: lol >< would be helpful, yes -stretches- i got out of lab a little early! ^^ Get to work. | ||
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Everyone wants to lynch you apparently. | ||
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HF, geript, some other people. Ask them. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol decided to refresh the vote thread and discovered I'm being killed. I'm currently on page 57, I legitimately have not read this thread. The vote on Clarity was so I didn't get modkilled as he was the scummiest person I found in the first 5 pages. Top scum reads right now are clarity, milo, and trfel. There are also probably a red or two in the beginning of my wagon as well as the end of my wagon. I'm going to keep catching up but I'll leave another tab open with the current page and refresh it every so often. Maybe next time you start reading the thread before it is almost deadline. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:22 LightningStrike wrote: Because it formed so fast and got little resistance it bugging me on that part. Why is this bugging you? How do you think mafia could defend MZ when he literally didn't even post? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:23 KelsierSC wrote: anyone else see what I see. Yes, but I don't know if it really means anything. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: forgot the game started homes my bad I do apologize to everyone bc I was looking forward to playing this game and I hate folks who do what I did but w/e shit happens. In other news, look very hard at the last 10 people who have voted for me after I flip. You typed /confirm and then forgot? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:28 Half the Sky wrote: I'm confused by what KSC means.... He is going on about the exact wording of the cop role pm.1-shot vs. one-shot, dumbledore vs. cop. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: eh it's not unreasonable if he confirmed on the 30th? but i thought why everyone defaulted to him in the first place was he basically didn't post? so that kinda implies y'all can't agree on anything -_- Is there anyone who you won't defend if he is being pushed? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:37 rsoultin wrote: i really don't care between mz and bm? i also don't really see the difference between the two, though at least bm has been generally more active from what i've seen of him when he's town than this course i don't know if he was active today at all or not @.@ Didn't even post. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:40 Half the Sky wrote: geript, you said you didn't like Damdred. I went through his filter. I know a couple of people cited him for his pushes. What is making you think he's not town? Is it his method of scumhunting? Is it his pushes on his targets (LS/Trfel/Wave, etc) or was it him dropping the LS read? You didn't like his wave read, and Damdred is saying that wos doesn't seem to care about the game. Are you lot thinking he's zeroing in on a pattern of "easy" lynches? I know we know the deal on LS (before he dropped it) and Trfel wasn't playing optimally regardless of what people think on him, and wos has been highly critical of his own town game. It's possible as a theory. But I don't understand the part in your filter about "that's not whom Damdred should be choosing" as a lynch though when he goes on wave. KSC I know you found this read weird too. I'm reading the filter and I don't know if I'm missing something. Why the fuck are you talking about damdred right now????? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:41 Holyflare wrote: he's chronically afk as town all the time Then why are you voting him? | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:46 Harkon wrote: Rsoultin why are you so happy to vote with HF on bm? The other way round also applies. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:46 Holyflare wrote: oh please as if this matters when we need to consolidate There are 2 targets and one has way more votes. Both of you are voting for the other one. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:47 marvellosity wrote: now i'm getting unsure about switching ahhhhh I will let you decide :p | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Right but my question is if there are enough people on line which there seems to be then why don't we go for someone like trfl, milo, or even vivax who is looking worse the more I read? It's either you or BM now. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Like idk why it's such a strange question. I always try to vote for the scummiest person in my mind. A lot of you seem really hesitant to lynch either BM or myself, my question is do any of you actually find BM scummy or are you looking for an easy lynch now that I'm active and lynching me has gotten harder. Why would you willing vote for someone you don't think is scummy. And again, maybe I just haven't gotten to the part where BM acts super scummy yet so if someone would link me I'd be happy. TOO LATE | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote: why are you suggesting lynching him then? it's splattered all over his later filter where did the name milo come from??? He is not caught up if he is town. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:55 marvellosity wrote: ##unvote ##vote: BM i don't know why i'm thinking about this so much, i really shouldn't care that much Ha, sheeped you before you even switched. I am so pro. | ||
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On July 08 2015 06:58 LightningStrike wrote: We got a Miller Claim too which makes highly unlikely tbh. There is no reason to think this. There is also no reason to think BM is 98 % town. Wtf are people doing... | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If you are town. And you think this. Then why the fuck are you voting him and not me or anybody else? Are you 99% sure I'm town? ^^^^ | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:04 Holyflare wrote: lol all of these fake reactions i literally couldn't give a shit if he flipped town Then why did you push so hard to lynch him over MZ? I mean don't get me wrong it is no loss and we would have gotten rid of him at some point anyways but your were fucking hellbent on getting this switch done. | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:14 Half the Sky wrote: I thought marv already quizzed them on how they could use their checks. Not sure why he'd say this. Ehhhhh, hold on. Seriously? | ||
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On July 08 2015 19:17 marvellosity wrote: i'm a little less secure on HF than i felt halfway through d1, although i don't really know how to explain why Good. I was about to ask you about that. I did not like his eod at all. On July 08 2015 19:16 Vivax wrote: I'm pretty irritated by the way HF abandoned the suspicion of Trfel just when mine started to build up. That's one of the reasons why. | ||
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Before anyone asks: This is no association read (it works regardless of MZs alignment). | ||
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Regardless of alignment HF will probably come out guns blazing and OMGUS me for this, nitpick anything he can find and whine some more. It will be annoying and I will ignore it. | ||
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On July 08 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote: the rsoultin push was annoying because it was so obviously a non-starter with the way people felt about pushing her while she was absent. but then the "but we can still talk about her anyway" was silly given finding a lynch was the most important thing. i dunno what to make of it really. HtS: I can't disagree with any of your Wave summary That's also a good point. | ||
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On July 08 2015 22:55 Holyflare wrote: Also I pushed people to bm because at the point mz looked towny and the wagons were split and i didn't want a no lynch. Pretty simple. I really don't see anything in MZ's posting that could make me go from lock mafia lynch to lynch BM over him when you of all people said that he just played this way as town. I also don't understand how anyone could think MZ was a lock mafia lynch inthe first place. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:06 marvellosity wrote: i somehow feel like i need to lead this town, but i don't feel like i have a good enough grasp on the game and i'm not really feeling the inclination to put in that much work. what do Stop whining, start leading. that do | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's because his filter is boring and nobody wants to read it. ^ | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:25 marvellosity wrote: that would suggest mafia though, so people probably should  Thank you, captain obvious. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:28 marvellosity wrote: does anyone feel like i'm spamming too much/making the game unreadable? i have a really large filter but i don't think it's obstructive lol | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't know what I would even say about ritoky at this point either. No read on him without the claim? And considering the claim - does what he did since then look like he is a gamesolving townie who knows he is on a timer? | ||
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On July 09 2015 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote: Your scumgame is kinda good and makes me want to never get burned again. But yeah I think you're town His scumgame is good but not because it is so towny. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote: beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read him Townreading Breshke, Trfel and fucking Palmar over me is kinda insulting. | ||
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On July 09 2015 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote: That seems like total baloney considering the miller thing happened like wayyyy before hf push. Might be oats best post this game. | ||
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On July 09 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote: ritoky's start of day posts were shit, his middle of day posts weren't bad and his end of day posts weren't awful, he was on my list because i didn't really think of an alternative and i was slightly influenced by what people were saying, don't really care if that's scummy or not but it is what it is my motivation to lynch people was seriously "i don't particularly care who gets lynched at this point because nobody was generally listening to anything i said so who gives a shit" The way you hardpushed BM over MZ does not fit this explanation at all. | ||
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On July 09 2015 03:52 Holyflare wrote: also hts i don't get why, if you have a town read on trfel, it's scummy if i've dropped my scum read on trfel? You know better than this. | ||
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Could you have acted like this as town? Sure. Does it look like it? No. | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:08 Holyflare wrote: No. It's legitimate. If I say that I dropped my scum read on trfel after calling him mafia all game and give a reason why (his defence looked towny) is that a scummy thing to see? no If you can call his last post which you said looked towny to you a defence... And yes, even if HTS townreads Trfel it is perfectly reasonable to scumread you for dropping him like this. Her read on Trfel is absolutely irrelevant for this. | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:21 Holyflare wrote: unless you scum read mz this point is absolutely worthless because at this rate i voted for the person that is producing content and looks towny anyway over the person that did shit all This reasoning is so bad. MZs alignment is completely irrelevant for this. | ||
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I have not decided what I think about MZ. That post is a response to HF saying I can only call him scum if MZ is mafia. | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:20 Holyflare wrote: hey fuck wit, if a mafia comes back to the thread and it's between him and bm i think he starts saying stuff about him being town and bm is the better lynch cz bm did this shit as mafia or some variant of that shit First of all it is hard to say anything about someone who did not post at all. Second of all he was free to say anything he wants because he would have to vote bm in the end anyways. Third of all he might do it exactly because of what you are saying right now. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:12 Holyflare wrote: If you think I hard pushed BM then you can point to my filter where I did that rather than asking people to consolidate from one person who was actually posting and could be mafia (but i had a reason that in my head made him look towny and sense to switch, and you know, you were on that wagon too!) to one person who was posting nothing at all and could have been mafia for his claim. On which wagon? I was basically forced to vote BM since you eroded the MZ wagon so heavily that we would have nolynched if I didn't. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:14 marvellosity wrote: milo mafia, ritoky town got it makes perfect sense to me Sheeping this guy all game btw. | ||
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... that's disappointing. And a fucking idiotic setup decision too. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:34 Holyflare wrote: Please point out where I eroded it so hard. IIRC about 6 people were saying to switch to BM before I even said anything. I didn't even force the push onto him that hard rather than a "oh everyone is switching so we may as well get it solidly switched instead of force a no lynch" You say you were forced to switch but you are the one that just butt budied marv and were open to switching anyway, so why are you seemingly so hard done by it when it was a toss up and you didn't really care anyway? There's 25 people in this game so unless you think that mafia were defending MZ it doesn't really make sense. You also never point out these people defending MZ "so hard" at all. Regardless, it doesn't even matter. Point out where I pushed for the lynch. I do not care. It is there for everyone to see and I doubt anyone who was around eod would say that you weren't the guy pushing for BM the hardest. I have no interest to enter a shouting match with you or to let you nitpick everything I say endlessly. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: geript was pushing pretty hard too. There were several people. So? Does that invalidate my point in any way? | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol ur cute marv, all of Palmar's attitude but none of his skill. Major scumMZ flashbacks right now. Ridiculing his attackers. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yes actually because whatever point you're driving at here seems predicated on HF being the biggest proponent of the BM lynch when it reality he was really no more for the switch than several other people who were in the thread. But let's get to the bottom of this. Are you trying to say that if HF was the only one pushing for BM it makes him scum? You are twisting my arguments. I never said HF was the only one - that would be a ridiculous statement. I am saying that him pushing BM hard over you is scummy. Especially since he said he did not care about the lynch. Especially because you were a "lock scum lynch" for him until you posted some irrelevant stuff and BM was playing "exactly like in his last town game". | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Ah see now we've gotten somewhere. Again though, several other people expressed similar concerns about BM's town play, does their decision to vote for him over me make them look scummy too? I would have to look at those individually. Noone is scummy for voting you alone. The problem with HF is that his story is not adding up. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:51 Holyflare wrote: So anyone wanna discuss the possibility that milo made his giant association cases because he knows mz is mafia? An accusation like this has failed spectacularly recently. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:59 Palmar wrote: Is the deadline now? Nope. | ||
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Sorry, let me rephrase: Will you start playing mafia/this game at some point? :p | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:50 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: you should definitely have a better town circle then this man lol. 2 of these 3 players havent even given a shit since the lynch ended. The majority of players in this game hasn't given a shit since the lynch ended. | ||
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On July 09 2015 07:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Very likely scum does not have two roleblockers so I'm looking forward to milo's post Yes. We are probably lynching ritoky today but I am also looking forward to this. | ||
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I do, but you think scum leaves 2 claimed cops alive? Come on. Even if the way both claims happened wasn't suspicious in itself that would be quite unbelievable. | ||
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On July 09 2015 07:35 Clarity_nl wrote: We're not going to reduce KP with this day/night cycle anyway, so why not leave them both alive and let scum deal with the problem if you're happy with the MZ lynch? Because I am lynching who is most likely scum. This questioning is very weird. | ||
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On July 09 2015 07:41 milo109 wrote: Red on Clarity. Do not try any bullshit. No plays, no tricks, no nothing. Did you really redcheck clarity? If you say yes then we will lynch you if you ever back out of it. | ||
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On July 09 2015 07:53 milo109 wrote: I was roleblocked by the way. I got reactions from the two I wanted. I'll post my thoughts after dinner. I would have been very surprised if you did not retract this. Good boy. | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:17 geript wrote: Well that's cute. Why did you visit ritoky last night? oooooooooooooooooh | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote: I'd much rather you of not asked me that question. I'm the town JK, and I figured thatbrit was the real cop and I could protect him and if he was scum I had a chance to block the shot. Its still possible that I blocked a shot but meh probably not No way. No fucking way you are this stupid as JK. | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:23 Damdred wrote: Have you ever seen me be blue besides a random good outing as big? Look in one of ff game when I was the vet and claimed day 2 for no reason. I'm an idiot and I softed blue earlier in the game anyway No way you see 2 cops and decide to fuck town over by roleblocking one of them instead of letting mafia resolve it for us. | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:25 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: there is no role that is mafia tracker so by damdred confirming that the track is indeed correct is the worst possible thing he could have done. there is no he said/she said here, geript is automatically real and damdred is most likely mafia Exactly. | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:24 geript wrote: Yah I don't really buy it. But it doesn't help me figure out who I want to lynch. Are you kidding? We lynch the basically confirmed mafia roleblocker. | ||
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Why would town damdred EVER do this? Makes no sense. He is mafia. | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:35 geript wrote: Ritoky claims shit all the time and you know that. It is entirely possibly that ritoky can be VT of some sort. Or Veteran. So what? | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:44 Clarity_nl wrote: There's 0 chance damdred is rolecop as ritoky claimed cop. Four worlds in which we live I think: Damdred is scum RB and ritoky is town cop. Damdred is town JK and ritoky is scum Damdred is town JK, ritoky is cop, and someone else stopped a hit. Damred is town JK, ritoky is cop, and scum double stacked marv. ???? | ||
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On July 09 2015 08:58 ruXxar wrote: Ok, something doesn't add up here. Both ritoky and milo said they were role-blocked. Here are my likely scenarios: -Mafia has 2 role-blockers and blocked ritoky and Milo. In this scenario damdred is mafia role-blocker. -There's 1 mafia role-blocker and 1 town JK. Damdred is the JK and milo was role-blocked by mafia. -Milo is lying and is not the cop and was not roleblocked. Damdred is likely mafia here. Damdred, are you 1-shot, 2-shot or multishot JK? He already claimed 2-shot. -Scenario 1 is incredibly unlikely. -Scenario 2 is incredibly unlikely. -Scenario 3 is likely true. | ||
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On July 09 2015 10:19 rsoultin wrote: i was actively deflecting off scott on a hunch that no longer appears to be true, so i'll look at what you have on him, hts You could also give some reads in general and adress the elephant in the room. | ||
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No idea how this got messed up. | ||
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I am telling you the following: - Marv was not shot. - Marv did not deliver KP. - Ritoky was not shot. - Ritoky did not deliver KP. - the nightkills were EXACTLY Palmar and Harkon Because I am the goddamn | ||
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1) Town damdred decided to make the worst play of his life AND got tracked by geript by pure chance. 2) Mafia damdred got tracked by geript and fakeclaimed the only thing he could fakeclaim once he got outed. Occam's razor please. | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:10 marvellosity wrote: wanting to appear believable = a red check more so than an easy-to-make green check. if he wants to appear believable, claim a red. if i assume milo is mafia, then the scumteam mentality is that milo is dead in the water, and it's just how much time he can buy before he goes under. the goal for milo is not to survive indefinitely. ^^^^ | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:32 ruXxar wrote: I only see two plays from a mafia milo, Either he claims a green check and tries to survive, or he claims a green check to take one person down with him. Claiming red and then rescinding is like the worst mafia play, now he gains nothing. RuxX0r, he can easily be mafia trying to gain towncred by "making a towny play" with reaction checking clarity. | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:38 milo109 wrote: So after Ritoky's last posts, I believe he is town. Which means either town roleblocked me or Damdred is JK. I actually think Damdred stopes KP That is literally impossible but nice try. | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:40 milo109 wrote: It's not, actually. Palmer could actually have stopped the kp with his banish too. Either way, we're all town. Unless Ritoky is making a -really- sick play. It is actually. | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:48 Breshke wrote: I ceebs looking at the OP. Yes. | ||
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I can't believe it took you this long to make this joke. I was already disappointed when HF made it first. Breshke could also be talking about milo who is in full bullshit mode. | ||
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On July 09 2015 20:58 marvellosity wrote: i wasn't even making the joke, i was just copying breshke :/ What a failure you are  | ||
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On July 09 2015 21:07 Clarity_nl wrote: I'll be back tonight if I can stop myself from popping in before then. Marv please consider lynching milo before Damdred. There is definitely a chance Damdred is JK, in which case scum have to deal with him tonight. I don't really see how milo can be cop, though. Damdred is never the JK. Never ever. | ||
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On July 09 2015 21:10 Harkon wrote: There is no world where milo is mafia and damdred isn't. | ||
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On July 09 2015 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Also having a JK and banisher seems really unlikely since they are very very similar roles. meh, it's a big game. IF we have a real Jailkeeper he shouldn't claim though because we will lynch damdred anyways. | ||
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I was about to say this. Not to insult rsoultin but why on earth does LS need rsoultin to sheep her on this. | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:11 Breshke wrote: To add on to this if he wasn't sure what to do with his night action i don't see why he didn't jsut abstain since he only has 2 charges and i don't think he was in too much danger of getting NK'd nor was he at the top of peoples lynch lists so he probably could have gotten two more nights I'd like to think a town damdred would habe JK'ed marv especially if unsure. I certainly would have. | ||
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Yep. It is the best role scum has and even more reason to kill damdred and only damdred. | ||
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He deserves it. Palmar died saving him and he didn't even manage to get shot. What a scrub. | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:23 marvellosity wrote: I like to think mafia came to my house to kill me, and saw Palmar leaving after performing some tricksy Palmar magic. And decided that they might as well kill Palmar instead, now that I was safely hidden behind a hex. pffffff, maybe OR scum decided they would just shoot the 2 best players in the game :p | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:27 LightningStrike wrote: Gosh you just throwing insults after insults to him Yeah, I am on a roll today | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:28 LightningStrike wrote: That wasn't the point. The point was that either got lucky or they had felt like Palmar could of been blue or felt like he was a big enough threat(WTF) that he should of been night killed anyways. Also it kinda bugging me that HF is alive atm but maybe when Day 3 comes we could talk about HF. Yes, HF is rightfully bugging you. The good thing is we have like 2-3 lynches lined up right now. If HF is still alive once that's done you remaining people should probably lynch him. If it is LYLO at some point and he is there you should DEFINITELY lynch him. | ||
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And town was derping. Don't let marv tell you he would never mislynch Palmar, LS. We already established that this is a lie :p | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:34 rsoultin wrote: yup "big" = high-profile "town gods" i put it quotations cause ego...i like to think they're not a million times better than me...just maybe 100 times lol >< awwwww | ||
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On July 09 2015 23:36 Damdred wrote: Hi Marv, I intact do love you. However I took a chance of not jk you because I was going into the wifom of scum would think you were being protected. Gut reaction ls is making up reasons or over explaining his vote on saying a lot of it is due to my weirdness early fay one. However if you check his filter you will see that he town read me for my early d1 things. I'm pretty sure he's scum here still. Rsoultin is probably scum as well for what I said earlier. Milo is probably the third. Two more will be found Why is Milo scum? Do you think you stacked with the scum rb? | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:15 milo109 wrote: I have to pick between him and Clarity, and Thid past day he has played like someone who doesn't know what the hell is going on. I think that's towny for a newer player. I see no reason why you would have to pick between them. MZ is not a newer player either. | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:41 marvellosity wrote: i don't have "the fear" though, i just relate to him a lot less than i did during the first part of d1. happy to not put myself out there either way atm ^ | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:54 Holyflare wrote: boooo hissssss if only people read my filter more that'd help! both because what has rsoultin done this entire game? who are her scum reads? nobody knows and she just keeps mentioning me and if you actually read stuff i was saying there's no way you can come to this conclusion (unless you're madly paranoid) that i am mafia when the mafia team is likely damd/milo/mz who I was pretty much saying was the team the whole night and my poe has been slowly getting there the whole time Look, it is stuff like this that doesn't help you at all. The last list you gave had not one of damd/milo/mz in it. Yes, you said that a mz/milo tmi theory was possible afterwards but you did not mention damdred at all until geripts claim. So when you say you were calling damd/milo/mz the mafiateams all night you are simply lying or at the very least strongly exaggerating. Also calling out a few teammates that look bad either way isn't out of your playbook anyways. | ||
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Well, his vote is on him since ages ago. | ||
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On July 10 2015 02:46 Holyflare wrote: Yeh my last list didn't have milo in it (kinda did damdy) but it obviously changed after i made the tmi case If you think this comment qualifies "pushing him as mafiaall night": (potentially damdred, can't rely on his depressed post forever, potentially trfel i'll talk with people about him after this mz stuff) I do not think so. | ||
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On July 10 2015 02:54 rsoultin wrote: this post you were still on milo you'd seen harkon's claim besides which, hf, i never dropped the scumread on you...i backed off when you actually said something REMOTELY intelligent about your scumread on truffle that could actually make him scum...not hard-pushing you is pure pragmatism, and i still failed at it anyway cause i have a hard time letting bs just sit in thread...personality flaw of mine also lol @ no reads. it's like you didn't read my post during the night phase or the very one you're criticizing. keep it up ^^ Well, no reads is once again an exaggeration but there is definitely a lack of content from your side and yes, I know you said you are busy. I am just stating a fact. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:08 geript wrote: Either way I'm going to say this right now because I feel really strong about this. NEVER FUCKING LYNCH WAVEOFSHADOW!!!!!! Seriously. IDK what it is and I can't explain it at all quite yet. But I will hate you forever if you lynch him. And I didn't feel super safe about him last game at all. Maybe never lynch Holyflare. At best, I'd only consider him in Mylo (given milo/damdred/MZ). And even then I'm not sure I would. I'd have to think about a lot of things. But I had a strong townread on him early and I'm really struggling with a reason to exchange that in any way right now. I can tell you now already that I will not follow this at all and I also won't advise town to do so. I will give some credit to your Waveread even though he is basically not playing this game, fair enough. But you can't read HF and I will ignore you and your early day1 read on him. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:53 boxerfred wrote: I fear that my thoughts might have some weaknesses. Also, the important part of my post is basically the "3 possible blocked KPs, only milo wasn't blocked". The rest basically is thought process explanation. Please test my case, let me know your thoughts. If a towny had blocked milo he would claim unless he is an idiot. And your logic doesn't make sense anyways. No KP was blocked. Mafia had 2 KP and both are accounted for. I have no idea what this big post is even about regarding milo. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:58 boxerfred wrote: Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him. Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first. | ||
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On July 10 2015 04:59 boxerfred wrote: Didn't he claim to have been blocked? If not, I'm just stupid. Who was blocked then Oo. Yes, he claimed being blocked. If he is telling the truth mafia blocked him. If he lies (more likely) he wasn't blocked at all. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:31 ritoky wrote: Yeah I just looked at op and saw no save notification, so possible. Not possible. If you have a problem with the notification ask the mod - I am sure he will tell you veterans get a notification after being hit. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:33 milo109 wrote: How is this the best player who has ever played on the site. O.o This is such an anti-town phrase. Down with people who refute arguments with well you're wrong on me. *best scumplayer | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:32 milo109 wrote: He is scummy enough that I think it is quite possible he was fake claiming. But obviously I can't be certain. So he is neither town for me, or mafia. you are full of shit, sir | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:40 milo109 wrote: There is no "Harkon is bothering me". you either think he's lying about his claim or you do not. There is no grey. Of course there is grey. This is mafia. The game is about the grey. I think he is lying, but the odds tell me he is not. So I'm willing to wait for more evidence until I call him scum. [/QUOTE] lol If we have a vig this guy has to go night 2. | ||
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He is just making up shit left and right. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:48 boxerfred wrote: you will explain that after the game, right? assuming you're town ofc. Let him bus milo in peace already, jeez. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote: you realise that if rsoultin and milo flip mafia you've been shutting me down from scum reading them at every turning point? i hope you do realise that When did I ever shut you down from scumreading milo? What the fuck does rsoultin have to do with this? Keep being unreasonable it will surely make me townread you. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:51 Holyflare wrote: what if i told you i was cheating and know you're mafia? This is getting disgusting. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:52 milo109 wrote: The use of the TMI argument on me. I think it's really quite indicative of mafia. Don't like the way he has been sheeping HF, and haven't liked his posts. That's all. Not enough to be certain. rofl | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote: started pushing the milo tmi situation which is true and you decide that citing the last game where that happened would be apt instead of discussing it, pushed rsoultin and you decided that just because you were afk you couldn't talk about her at all in the slightest even though mz was ninja voting and the wagon was decided bla bla, i dislike playing with you for exactly these reasons because it happens every game and you're boring to play with because of it So bringing up an example where a case like yours was wrong is shutting you down now? Interesting. Currently you are the one who is unbearable. | ||
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HF is throwing shit at townleader for no reason. check The mafiaHF checklist grows and grows. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:00 Holyflare wrote: You should know better than one event of it happening does not mean some other person doing it in another game in completely different circumstances means the same thing. Yet, whenever I post something you disagree with it's instant shit all over everything. "oh what's the point of this", "oh yeh that's shit", "oh no go look for yourself", "oh gosh you're unbearable", "oh look let that guy bus". Dude, you were the one starting the bm. I also never personally insulted you I am just calling you mafia. You have no moral ground to stand on. End of discussion. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote: You don't even think for a second about anything i've done this game and instead throw in little shitty quips that clearly just derail anything i'm doing and call me mafia for the sake of it, it's frustrating as fuck That's not true and I won't go on about it. Look, I get that it is frustrating to be scumread if you are town. If that's the case then forgive me for assuming you would be mentally stable enough to endure being scumread by me as town. You pull this assholish emo shit as mafia, we both know it. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: Rolf I am the 2 Shot Gunsmith I already gave someone a gun I wont name them and if they are reading this: Don't claim that you have a gun. Will you ever stop claiming at the slightest sign of pressure? Fuck's sake man. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:13 marvellosity wrote: guys, just laugh resignedly, don't get mad. It's not that bad anyways since the rb will hopefully be dead soon. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:18 Damdred wrote: Actions went like this I was in my mason qt with Geript and he came up with the plan to fake a track on me to rot so that we could gather information and around 24 hours before,lynch we reveal,and get the vote off me. Why would you ever do stupid bullshit like this. Not believing this until geripts confirms but still. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote: ##sick plays Plus his posts defending,me early before he let pressure build and him saying the. Heck,isn't damning That's a troll post. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:38 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't feel like this is the case at all. Why are you guys reacting so poorly. I think we got tons of info :S milo and MZ were on the block before so what did we gain aside from wasting 24 hours where we could have discussed actual relevant things? This is absolute and utter shittier. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:39 Clarity_nl wrote: Gunsmith didn't need to out, also scum pretty much know harkon is vet by the fact that he didn't die. They did not now if I was JKed or vet. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:42 geript wrote: I already answered this. My vote in the least should continue to answer this. Like I'd love to have a sick townread on Damdred and claim to be mason but I can't. I'm not BH. I don't make cases on my mason partners. Like it's only slightly obvious. I just don't know who I want to kill first. Also, two things. You need to never fucking claim ever again. I will start lynching you if you claim any role in the game if there's not halfway decent purpose. Second. you 100% have to claim who you gun at the end of every night from now on until you're out of guns. It sucks but it's more important for town to know who has your gun than to prevent scum from knowing who has your gun. I might change my mind on that, but eh. For now that's how I feel. Thank god. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:42 Harkon wrote: So geript please confirm damdreds story now without being wishy washy about it. Is damdred JK or not - I assume no? lol, here you see me being retarded | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:44 Clarity_nl wrote: No I believe geript is just being absolutely retarded. There's no way damdred makes this up. There absolutely is. Damdred has trolled as confirmed mafia before. | ||
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He can tell us who has the first gun 3 mins before end of night though. Although scum probably won't have a rb either way so :/ | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:52 Clarity_nl wrote: No, scum can roleblock+kill the gun holder if it's revealed. There's no need to tell town who has the guns Scum can't rb anyone without damdred. And I am talking about the gun he gave out last night which I assume will be fired tonight. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:53 Harkon wrote: Scum can't rb anyone without damdred. And I am talking about the gun he gave out last night which I assume will be fired tonight. It is kinda important that we know who got it before LS dies in case he gave it to scum. | ||
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Keep to yourself who has it. | ||
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On July 10 2015 13:09 rsoultin wrote: yeah i'd ask people to actually respond to demonstrate they read maybe even write a quiz for reading comprehension, since so many of you seem to need it >< but honestly that would just be depressing and i'm just going to assume that y'all will continue to ignore my posts except the select few who actually give a shit what i say those people can feel free to ask me things and i'll probably even answer before the weekend. those people know who they are -_- Let's just say I hope you start playing for real sooner rather than later. I think HF is mafia and I do not like his push on you but you are not making it easy to hold this stance. Same goes to Trfel. On July 10 2015 14:49 rsoultin wrote: blah -_- i remember having to do that once upon a time lol >< good luck yup yup not reading ftw...i kinda just scan what i see when i'm here back a few pages...sometimes...mostly the back a few pages is if i'm completely lost xP yeah mafia could have two? i don't know how likely it is, but a lock-lynch based on association isn't something i favor either, in general. just not in a hurry for obvious reasons The association surely is a strong point against milo definitely not the only one. | ||
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On July 10 2015 14:17 Breshke wrote: And i thought HF and rsoultin shitfights were tedious . HF arguing with milo who is confirmed scum/getting lynched anyway probably tops it. Anything important last 10 pages? Yes, HF is constantly angry and has been shitfighting nonstop this game. Fighting with people he thinks are confirmed scum, fighting with people that are confirmed town and fighting with people he should be figuring out instead. If he is doing this as town then that is really disappointing. | ||
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On July 10 2015 18:32 marvellosity wrote: but his role is confirmable by someone saying they have a gun. unless he wants to drag mafiabuddies into it. this is ridiculous. Yes, it is obviously stupid. | ||
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On July 10 2015 19:09 Vivax wrote: I'm aware of that but sometimes the threat of getting lynched really gets me going. You're so nice this game marvy. Recently that threat did not get you going at all. | ||
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On July 10 2015 22:27 marvellosity wrote: hahahahahaha i got nasty about it by posting "go away" ? (you ranted at me after that) someone suffering from egocentric problems methinks. oh well, this isn't productive. i'm gonna stop before I become HF II Yes, please. You guys can't seriously expect to get a read on her this way. Yes, she is stubborn and annoying to deal with but this is so counter productive. I am not saying that she is right but for the love of god stop these arguments we all know she will be irrational regardless of alignment. Can you tell me why you think HFs case on her is any good apart from the ruxor point? | ||
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On July 10 2015 22:55 marvellosity wrote: Her reads are pretty static and very few. Or very static and pretty few. also we managed to have an argument and stop it within about 12 posts, i think we did ok I am proud of you. Yes, her reads are static and few but I don't know how you would expect them to change when she hasn't read the thread. Let's see what she does when she promised to play and judge her then (we have other people to lynch until then anyways). And no HF, before the tears start dwelling in your eyes - you are allowed to discuss her prior to that if it makes you happy. I am not shutting you down. | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Does anyone have any compelling reasons why breshke is town? Some of my townreads seem to think so. That's all I've got. | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:12 marvellosity wrote: more importantly, MZ. the big scummer. Yes, the big scummer too of course. Apologies. | ||
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So if you see that mofo make him vote. | ||
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Yes, I agree. | ||
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On July 10 2015 23:46 marvellosity wrote: itt HtS is calling EBH fat He probably isn't running enough. | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:13 Holyflare wrote: OK now that all the annoying people are out of the thread can someone talk to me about trfel, specifically his case on me when he returned at deadline on day 1: Does this post align with what's happened this game? His comparisons are just based on anger but when he includes gameplay (such as guardians of the galaxy) he says i'm angry but i drop things despite objectively having no reason to. Yet, he should be able to see if he was reading the thread that i've done that several times (especially on him??) which should fit with stuff that he thinks is my town meta. Furthermore, it seems like his post doesn't even realise that I wasn't scum reading him anymore since it states stuff like "if he's so sure why is he treating me this way" but doesn't acknowledge that I'm not actually reading him that way any more. + Show Spoiler + I don't even know what i'm concluding from this but i'd like to know if he was actually caught up when writing this post because if he has this is pretty scummy. You backing off in the end doesn't invalidate his point though. Trfel is no beacon of townyness but this is still easily his best post. | ||
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On July 11 2015 02:49 ritoky wrote: voted damdred, off to work. Good boy. | ||
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On July 11 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote: Since when was being emotional alignment indicative? Also, how are my posts becoming more and more emotional and less and less useful? If you're going after milo after damdred guess who brought up that TMI stuff first. Me. If you're saying you've not looked into rsoultin at all and I keep trying to get people to look at rsoultin and another player just said they flat out ignored me, do you think that warrants emotion? I do. Annoyance. I mean, I even started talking about trfel just now and you're busy pumping out useless lists instead of talking about it? I dunno what more you want from me. The thing is that you were insulting and shitting on players way before being ignored. And yes, I would say being overly emotional like this is alignment indicative for you. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:06 Holyflare wrote: I mean even if you look at my "arguments" with milo (who is not actually confirmed mafia, his posts don't actually sound too bad sometimes) they are constantly bringing up valid points about his stances not matching up to what he's said previously. Arguably, I've been doing a lot of work while people just chill out and say they'll do stuff tomorrow instead. That's not the case at all. When did I shit on players d1? I simply made an exaggerated case on Trfel to get his posts actually started and when they didn't it was a bit frustrating while another player hard defended him and kept throwing accusations my way instead. Another player that claimed miller ignored me for scum reading her with valid points? You didn't even respond to my other points on people at deadline when a lynch was already locked in. You disregarded my points on milo which are seemingly entirely valid now. Like 2 people have even talked about my rsoultin posts and all in the mean time people just keep idly saying i'm mafia because i'm annoyed. I think it's totally justified. Please. If you think emotion is indicative then make a case because I certainly would love to hear it. If you think i'm mafia and don't really give a shit then i'd ask that you just keep me in a list and refrain from mentioning me until you actually want to lynch me. It would be helpful if everyone did that actually because then I feel I could be far more productive (and please respond when I post something) You shat on rsoultin pretty badly. You have been shitting on me for a very long time now. I never disregarded your points on milo. I made one simple point that going after a new player for this exact thing has failed very recently which I think is a fairly reasonable thing to point out. That's literally all I said about your milo stuff but you had to construe it like I shut you down which is just completely ridiculous. I do not need to make a case on why shitting up the thread like you do is scummy. It is pretty obvious and you JUST did the same as mafia in himalaya. You are a smart guy and a more than decent townplayer who is able to be aggressive and investigative without resorting to shit like this as town. The post Trfel made about this which you completely disregarded for a pretty minor reason is pretty good. And yes, I do not intend to engage your further with this since it is just not worth it regardless of your alignment since we have 2-3 lynches lined up and I do not need to convince you that you are mafia anyways. But if you say something I disagree with then I will point it out. And I will remember people from time to time that I think you are mafia because otherwise they will forget it and mistake your effort later in the game for townyness. Or you will just say "he never really called me scum" like you did with rsoultin last game. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well that's pretty damn weak. Vivax does the same thing wave does. Come in, make an excuse for his play, and bails. A townie doesn't go "hey guys, sorry I'm bad, gonna keep being bad until you lynch me" a townie tries their best to appear town. Vivax and wave aren't thinking like that, they're just trying to find excuses for their scummy play rather than actually try to appear more townie by helping scum hunt. This is completely false btw. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:34 Clarity_nl wrote: You're bringing up every little point against you, blowing it out of proportion and then defending yourself. For example, your previous post is not you saying trfel is scum as much as it's saying "I am town", something that really doesn't matter at this stage. As much as you may disagree with trfel's post, I think it's a good post. He has a good point about you yelling at people you are scumreading which doesn't make much sense from a townie perspective. Anger is very easy to throw around as scum. You can act all angry and come in and out of the thread, you get people to ignore what you're saying and make them rather not go through the mess you've left behind. No where in his post do I see him saying you did not scumhunt d1, this is a total strawman. Yeah, basically this. Thanks for saving me the effort. | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:52 Oatsmaster wrote: you literally are defending yourself, I dont care what skin you try and dress it up as. ^^^ | ||
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On July 11 2015 03:56 Holyflare wrote: Do you think this is helpful to just keep pointing out things and posting one liners to agree? Why can't you do your own work and actually converse with me and find out my alignment for a change. All these interjections of "lol bus", "lol defence", "totally scummy" don't really help with someone who has been getting clearly aggravated by it does it? Why is defending myself to point out someone's scummy post is fabricated scummy? Defending yourself in itself is not scummy. But you tried to sell it as scumhunting and trying to discredit me all the time with things like the bolded is not very towny either. I made one post that could be construed as being a dick in this regard which was the "lol bus" post. Fair enough. But that's it and you are making a big thing out of it again for no reason. | ||
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On July 11 2015 04:00 Harkon wrote: Defending yourself in itself is not scummy. But you tried to sell it as scumhunting and trying to discredit me all the time with things like the bolded is not very towny either. I made one post that could be construed as being a dick in this regard which was the "lol bus" post. Fair enough. But that's it and you are making a big thing out of it again for no reason. Also with the way you treated me this game so far you really have no ground to stand on here. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:12 marvellosity wrote: btw there is nothing wrong with HF defending himself. It's an extremely natural reaction and it's ridiculous to suggest he shouldn't. Of course he will. Sure. It is impressive how you manage to point things like this out but are able to avoid giving an opinion on him like the plague. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:17 marvellosity wrote: I can tell you, for free, that I do that a lot more as town than mafia. And HF is in general quite a similar-minded person to me. That might be true but there are huge differences in your play. Your thought process for catching mafia is very similar but your way of presenting yourself in the game and arguing your points is very very different if that makes sense. If you were under suspicion as town you would react very differently. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Homes you need to drop the HF shit now, you're no better than rsoultin at this point. Oh, no. Whatever will I do. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:22 geript wrote: I want to reiterate this. I'm going to post a bit more tonight. But I don't see any reason not to shoot MZ or to shoot other people over MZ. Yes, shooting MZ is boring and expected and you'll get zero credit for it. However, it's important to note that he will 100% be lynched at some point. So by shooting him, it lets us gain more information than shooting anyone else. Yes, 100 % agreed. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:28 Damdred wrote: I've played horribly but I might as well leave thoughts as I die Sure, don't let him stop you. We will lynch you no matter what though and I will probably not consider anything you write unless you by some miracle flip town. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote: i'm about to go get ready to go out and the fact you even bothered to post means i now longer feel secure in the flip. Sad times Remember Aperture. He posted and did things until the very end. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:31 marvellosity wrote: was i dead? if so i have no idea. i'll take your word for it He was the most obvious mafia who ever scummed on earth and I literally had to go ham to get him lynched because he tried everything in his power to confuse people. Yes, you were dead. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: You're probably town, I wasn't scum reading you. You're a decent player just not as good as you think you are and I find your attitude abrasive sometimes. If you somehow think I'm a better vigi shot than wave vivax scott I really have no response because I don't understand how you think that. From tactical standpoint I think shooting me is terrible given what I've already outlined but like I said, now I kinda want to die bc it's gonna be hilarious watching you be wrong. From a tactical standpoint shooting you is the optimal play because you were the counterwagon to townBM day1. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: No actually that's not how that works but good try! That is exactly how that works. There is noone whos flip gives us as much information as yours does. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:37 Damdred wrote: Well to be honest I claimed that scum and was just doing things to screw with town totally different situation Yeah, like you claimed mason with geript here to screw with town. Totally different situation. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote: There's a quote in someone's sig somewhere. maybe bugs' sig, or maybe the sig is a quote from bugs. it's about the timings of being correct. something about being correct at the right and wrong times. and in this case the reasoning behind it. like sure i can be wrong on you, i just don't think i am. i think you'll flip red, and if you don't, it was an incorrect read on my part (obviously). i also personally think your push on Vivax/Wave is kinda shallow. It's a very typical "they're lazy = scum", it seems pretty unnuanced, it seems formulaic. I think it is bugs signature and actually a Palmar quote. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: So if I'd come back to the thread five hours later when everyone had changed their minds than I'd be ok? Well I can't help I saw something before you did. If you're gonna kill for that then w/e. My push on wave/vivax is because I think they're playing a typical lazy lurk scum game. They've had zero thread pressure except for vivax who suddenly showed up after HtS posted something. Besides I'm fairly confident that the cluster fuck of rousltin, HF, ruxxar, Harkon are all town which says to me that scum are playing a more lurky game. I was initially suspicious of clarity but he's had some pretty good posts since then so I've backed off of that. This is not a matter of time/five hours. This is a matter of information. Like geripts claim. | ||
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On July 11 2015 05:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It's really not. The posts I made my read on were available to everyone to read, if I had come back later and made my behavior analysis posts after everyone had changed sides I would have just blended in with the crowd. I saw something in milo's posts before other people did. Just read my filter. It really is. You made your analysis when the strong information that indicated milo is scum was not there yet. After it was there everyone else called him scum. | ||
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On July 11 2015 07:47 Clarity_nl wrote: I really like this post. Just wanted you to know that Why? This post is as null as it gets. | ||
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On July 11 2015 08:28 Clarity_nl wrote: I disagree, I think it's super difficult for scum!HF to ever have these thoughts and present them in this way. I should really go to bed, lol lol why? If he is scum and rsoultin is town this is exactly what he thinks. And I have a feeling you should read 1-2 HF scumgames at some point. | ||
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On July 11 2015 09:20 Clarity_nl wrote: I will at some point. Currently I think rsoultin is much more likely to be scum than HF Considering the reasons you townread him for I could give you a random selection of HF filters (both alignments) without telling you what he was and you would townread him every single time. | ||
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On July 11 2015 09:29 Clarity_nl wrote: Harkon why do you think scum shot you n1? There are multiple possible reasons: 1) I softed being an investigative role at every opportunity. Dunno if anyone picked up on it. 2) I am a regular early nightkill and since they were obviously dodging marv I am always a viable kill (they could never mislynch me). 3) I got something right that others didn't. Like that HF is mafia for example. One of those or combinations would be my guess. | ||
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On July 11 2015 09:33 LightningStrike wrote: Because JAT(Harkon) is a good player by reputation and the scum team feared him esp Damdred. That's also possible. | ||
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On July 11 2015 09:43 Clarity_nl wrote: Buuuuut, you're a smurf? Eh whatever, I think some people called you JAT on d1. You're nearly confirmed town in my eyes, just curious. Do you currently think HF is likely scum? Like I'm trying to imagine anyone else in this game playing the way he's played and I feel he would be a strong townread for anyone, is his scumgame really that good? >.< Don't wanna level myself, I think he's town, sticking to it for now. I think HF is likely scum, yes. It's not 100 % but it's not a "I am paranoid and do not townread him" read. Fortunately we will have 2-3 lynches until he becomes relevant and if he is town he will be dead by then so it will only become more obvious. If he isn't dead then you should lynch him. If he ever is alive in LYLO you MUST lynch him. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote: going through scott now...you think he's a better chance of hitting scum than milo? Have you read the thread by now or are you just randomly reading filters instead? | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:12 rsoultin wrote: eh i decided to go through who people were talking about and i'll probably do voting/read analysis later similar to what i did last game, cause that was baller xP 50% of the scum in one swoop course i'm not sure if it'll be as useful with majority lynch, which is why i'm beginning with filter-diving the players in contention/players i can't remember a thing about lol >< Read the damn thread. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I still don't particularly understand why Damdred/milo were intertwined so much, defense aside. Milo was calling him confirmed town for some reason. Can someone explain that to me? There were 2 claimed cops night1. None of them was shot. Ritoky was roleblocked by mafia damdred. Still not seeing the connection? | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:21 rsoultin wrote: ah i'm naturally sarcastic. the smileys are for clarity (ironically enough xP) ppl comment on them every game and i ignore it every game pretty much lol >< yes. my filter is good. people don't read it. they also take what hf says like it's gospel when if you actually compare his "case" to what happened, it's so full of holes it leaks like a sieve but i don't really want to talk about him right now (and frankly i was actually ready to clear you on damdy's insta!vote at the "red check", cause like i'm working it through my head and if milo is town he should have been roleblocked/killed. so like i need to double-check when he withdrew the check but i think it was before geript claimed? yeah i have to review the timing >< if it was after geript claimed that implicates him heavily, even more than damdred being tracked to ritoky imo) That's why you should read the thread. It was before the claim. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:28 rsoultin wrote: it was before lol >< yeah i really am not keeping things straight at all this game nh, disregard that entire train of thought, then regardless, don't see much value in scum!milo and scum!damdy faking a red and insta!voting on a scummate? kinda useless wifom, that. so again it all comes back to milo's alignment like if he's town and assuming there's only one mafia rb and scum gambled for some reason, damdy may have voted so fast because clarity is red, but i find that unlikely...more likely to just kill both rit and milo if they're both town and not take the risk This is impossible. If scum has only one rb then milo is CONFIRMED mafia. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:57 rsoultin wrote: didn't hf say he was townreading scott? i'd really like to know why >< (and am i talking to myself again? cause if so i'll just shut up and stop spamming up the thread) Don't let that stop you. Hf townread him for that one listpost he made. And yeah, you will be alone now. | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote: missed this post yeeeeah i'm not your whipping boy xP That comes as a surprise. | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:23 rsoultin wrote: lol are you flirting with me? zzzz @ ruxx coming into to blabber about obvious mechanics then peacing out wut? | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:30 rsoultin wrote: lol apparently i'm kinkier than you are. shame Not sure that is really the problem here but who knows I am half asleep anyways. | ||
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On July 11 2015 20:21 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not a huge chance or anything but there is a chance NKs are ritoky + marv so make sure it's today! As for me, I'm around for a couple of hours now and then I won't be until the second half of d3 (Monday) Since geript outed being one-shot it is entirely possible unfortunately. I could die too. It's hard to take anything geript says seriously by the way if he thinks milo could be town and I could be mafia but I guess that is because he is that good. | ||
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This conversation is really productive. | ||
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On July 11 2015 22:15 rsoultin wrote: so slept rsoul realized how stupid tired rsoul was being last night lol >< milo should never be shot Maybe you get one half of a cookie. | ||
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On July 11 2015 22:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Why is a milo shot bad, anyway? There's no one really defending him so are we getting information by lynching him that we wouldn't by shooting him or? It's entirely possible that I'm being dumb If milo is cop he is a horrific shot, if he isn't we lynch him anyways. | ||
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On July 11 2015 22:55 ruXxar wrote: I was actually mulling over this. It's actually a pretty good play by mafia to claim vet. If the claim goes un-CC'ed then he's pretty much gained town-cred until LYLO. It's not an impossible world, but i dont have harkon pinned as particularly scummy at this point. For now there's other people i'd want to lynch before considering this possibility. No, it is not actually a good play as mafia. There is NOTHING to gain from it besides making sure damdred dies and if I survive multiple nights people will get mad suspicious of me. Absolutely no reason to do it. Everyone was townreading me anyways I do not need towncred if I am mafia. It actually hurts instead of helping. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:04 marvellosity wrote: Generally a scumplay which relies on trying to convince the thread there are 2 mafia roleblockers, which is practically unprecedented, is very strange. Exactly. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:06 ruXxar wrote: I swear if I get a gun, I'm going to shoot you 100%. Don't be mad at him, ruxor. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:10 ruXxar wrote: Like, it's not hard to get my name right. Either you type ruxxar or you can type ruxx. You know that a persons name is their most precious belonging? q.q /endrant It's ok ruxy. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:13 rsoultin wrote: at least he doesn't call you cow? -beats marv with a wet noodle- swamprat | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:17 marvellosity wrote: i don't understand your point we've had millions of 30 player normals with 6+ blues and only one roleblocker. what's so odd? ^ And those roles weren't 1 or 2-shot. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:29 marvellosity wrote: in any case there's no real resolution to the 1 or 2 RB debate. i said earlier that scum would have had to have decided to push on to the thread of an unprecedented 2 RB world, which seems unlikely as a collective decision. i can see the world, though, that a milo-scum just kinda did things of his own accord without thinking them through that much. it would make what he did a poor decision, but players (on their own) make poor decisions all the time. Which poor decision? He did the correct play as scum with claiming rb since it was not unlikely that we would have lynched ritoky before him. The clarity check was a play to get towncred and I don't think he would have ever kept it up. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote: i don't think so. claiming a check (either colour tbh) was a better decision. although i take your point, he claimed before geript's check right, so he might have just been hoping he could swing a lynch against the cop before he died afterwards. yeah maybe. makes sense. Claiming a check means he wasn't rbed OR killed. BAD play. | ||
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On July 11 2015 23:57 marvellosity wrote: if ruxx/rso can be civil and actually make progress, it would be quite useful. and night-time is the best time for these diversions too. Fine, then it is your job to moderate them now. | ||
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On July 12 2015 01:16 ruXxar wrote: Well, when you start calling out people for not understanding something, that's pretty much inviting them into a shitfight, which will derail their attention from what they were actually trying to accomplish. It also let's pressure off trfel since he doesn't feel the need to answer the question when he's busy with you. So what exactly are you saying? Rsoultin is scum with Trfel? | ||
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On July 12 2015 01:55 ritoky wrote: honestly, there's probably a mafia between rsoul and hf; might not be a bad strat to consider lynching both #shrekt #stupidshityoucansaywhenconfirmed I don't think this is stupid at all. | ||
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On July 12 2015 02:18 ritoky wrote: I still don't think I can explain it much more, but I can say this for context: I had already previously responded with "no" to the question a decent bit before milo posted this response to the same question so the lack of certainty if he is fake claiming is kinda ??????? Sorry, but that's really a shitty reason. | ||
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Why do you think MZ could be town btw, ritoky? | ||
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On July 12 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote: that was where i waffled? like...i don't know him and maybe he's really just ballsy as shit (i'll admit that i'll do this as either alignment, but it's more foolish than ballsy xP), but if you're scum and people like marv are scumreading you in a game like this where marv is like all but above suspicion, it just seems like a really bad idea to start insulting the shit out of him -shrugs- i guess that's wifom but it's enough to make me waffle, anyway. plus, as i said, i kinda get where he was going with the ritoky/milo thing. not sure i fully agree with it but i can see how you can say "well the second guy who claimed it saw what happened with the first" hold on let me review something... For MZ take a look at PYP: League of Legends mafia. He continuously antagonized the townies who pushed him and tried to ridicule them. Exactly like he did with marv here. It is actually one of the reasons why he is mafia. | ||
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On July 12 2015 02:42 ritoky wrote: To me, trfel and ksc are high priority lynches and likely scum because normally I view their thread engagement as very high. They aren't exactly voluminous posters, but they have their finger on the pulse of the thread and demonstrate a high level of comprehension and engagement with what is going on. Neither one feels particularly engaged to me, and both seem pretty stagnant. Would lynch. This is fair. | ||
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Not only you. Didn't even remember he did it to you too - I remember you being dead pretty early. | ||
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On July 12 2015 02:48 marvellosity wrote: i basically made the case on him before i replaced out. | ||
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On July 12 2015 06:23 marvellosity wrote: hey. we had my parents/gran over for dinner. Opinion on LS telling us right before deadline at least who he gave the gun to night 1`? | ||
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On July 12 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote: as long as it's of the "literally counting down the seconds to make sure it's only 5 seconds before deadline" sort of post. Yeah, something like that. But knowing it definitely would be important methinks. | ||
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On July 12 2015 07:10 marvellosity wrote: bah. only #sheep today. Well, we are probably lynching milo anyways so... :/ | ||
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That's not meant as a criticism but a fact. | ||
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On July 12 2015 22:46 Holyflare wrote: Double post be damned but everything you said I've done has been mafia play and you've made "cases" on me repeatedly. All you've said I've done the past cycle is snipe at you, now defend your scott and ruxxar scum reads and you still don't want to lynch me? ^^ Don't care jat. I have a legitimate rsoul scum read that nobody will entertain so you'll have to kill me to realise it. I am absolutely entertaining it and there were 1-2 things that happened during the nightphase/today already that I did not like at all. I refuse to believe that you think you cannot outargue rsoultin or that my presence in the game alone makes any of your effort pointless. | ||
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On July 12 2015 13:18 rsoultin wrote: i had a wifomy thought no one has mentioned, though On July 12 2015 12:58 rsoultin wrote: -_- eh i had a weird reason to think milo might be town, but i think i may just be overthinking things with that response maybe if someone else sees it wave, i'm assuming you're not caught up, so yeah...it's not like you need us to talk to you for you to talk xP What's the point in not saying it? Will you tell us once milo is dead or...? On July 12 2015 12:29 rsoultin wrote: i kinda understand bf and scott but not really clarity. why does there have to be scum between him and mz exactly? like i though damdy voted awfully quick on clarity...a bit wifomy, i know, but if you're really town and were roleblocked, he knew that your check was fake, so it wasn't because he was afraid you'd actually gotten a red check? i'm practically willing to clear clarity on that alone, frankly, but i also just like a lot of his posting when i've been in-thread That's in no world alignment indicative. Why would damdred not vote on a check he knows is fake regardless of claritys alignment? On July 12 2015 12:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean I can't say I've done more than skim stuff. 300 pages is fucking ridiculous, even for my standards. Can you direct me to something/somewhere specific while I still have a shred of motivation? From the rules: The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance. You joined a big game and you knew posty people like marv, HF and rsoultin are in it. There is no excuse for this. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:05 Vivax wrote: I wanna suggest we actually all go back and look at EoD 1 given that scum should have had quite the zero fucks attitude on who gets lynched given both wagons were towns, so my assumption is they didn't show much interest into the lynch but at the same time gave some overly complicated explanation, so that's where I'll be looking now. What do you think about this assumption? Sounds reasonable but you will not get townpoints unless you present some actual examples of that. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:18 LightningStrike wrote: She had claimed Miller and I think she's town outside of the Miller claim and Millers are Townies who turn up as red to Cop checks. BTW none one else claimed Miller lol. Ok, but you know that she is not confirmed, right? Because it seemed like you tried to color only confirmed people green. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:22 rsoultin wrote: i think the problem is both wagons were very lurky anyway -_- so there are going to be a lot of players who didn't particularly care. i know that i didn't Why were you so eager to switch to BM then? Especially since HF was pushing him? | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:25 rsoultin wrote: no offense, jat, but why does it matter if ls colors her green or not? lol >< and yeah i hadn't read the newbie yet this morning :/ blah I don't want LS to think HTS is confirmed town when I am dead day4 because she just isn't. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:27 rsoultin wrote: i don't remember? lol bm has a lurkier scum game...i've seen him play town well, though it was in a newbie game. don't really know mz but the don't lynch bm thing wasn't survivalist which at the time seemed an odd approach for scum Ok, but it is an odd approach for town too, maybe even more so. Anyways, I know that it was pointed out then that BM had just played a towngame where he also lurked like this. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:29 rsoultin wrote: no, bm had just replaced out instantly of a town game, unless we're referring to a different one. and hf mentioned that while voting for bm ^^ Ah, yes. I remember you pointing that out. FINE. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:30 Holyflare wrote: So why was mz in your mafia list of me/ruxx/milo/mz when you hadn't read the 100 pages or w/e you claimed to read including night time. You thought his posts around the lynch were towny. When you reread you agreed with his ritoky and milo disparity but you still wanted him killed as a mafia read??? On a similar note: On July 12 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote: 5. MZ - everyone else thinks he's scum. i can still see the rit/milo thing...but yeah trying to lynch into people in a game he hasn't even read yet does scream pretty false so eh I absolutely hate this. You saw how hard marv, me and LS were going at MZ and how good the reasons for it where and you still put him in your null list for this weak ass reason. Hate it. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:35 rsoultin wrote: excuse me? what was weak about it? y'all's main reason was meta? It was partly meta, so what? It was really strong meta and there were other reasons too. This just reminds me of Horn of Africa where you also kept defending townies for little to no reason when there were awesome points raised against them. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:37 rsoultin wrote: like i'd already said that i could see the milo/rit thing based on milo's sudden read shift on rit between when rit first claimed and after milo claimed, though i agreed that marv was probably right that the non-survivalist approach was nai i also said that i thought mz antagonizing marv wasn't something likely to come from scum in that position, but y'all shot that down with the meta case so...yeah Exactly. We completely shot that down and showed you evidence for it being false. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:39 rsoultin wrote: lol >< just cause you think the points are awesome doesn't mean they are, jat You cannot tell me that if you read his filter from PYP and his filter here you do not come to the same conclusion unless you are mafia and know that he is town. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:41 rsoultin wrote: lol i didn't read his filter there, frankly. there was no point So you didn't/don't actually know what we were talking about and you are still telling me our reasons weren't absolutely amazing? And you see marv, me and LS who are all town going ham on him and don't give us enough credit to even give MZ a scumlean? Marv is rarely wrong when he is this convinced and the same goes for LS. | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:35 Vivax wrote: I actually believe in a world where milo is town. As mafia in his place I'd have either stopped posting altogether or just have been posting utter shit. First of all that is exactly what he is doing and second of all that's the weakest reason ever. | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:44 Holyflare wrote: Still wholly relevant. Anyway, did you know that since there are 4 other mafia it's probably better to maybe not kill milo? since ls is gunsmith he should have got a gun to another person last night. I'm kind of tempted that we get the person with the gun to announce they have it today because if they don't have it then milo is confirmed mafia. We then lynch some mafia poop today and say we're gonna shoot some other mafia poop tonight and then milo has to get a check off or they let another mafia die. Not sure I follow you here. Sure, if LS got rbed milo is confirmed mafia but if he didn't that still doesn't make milo town? | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:50 Holyflare wrote: I didn't say milo was town i said if he's mafia theres 3 other mafia that we could be killing today and it let's us confirm if milo is a cop tomorrow by getting the person to announce who they are shooting. If he gets rb'd again and mafia dies then who cares we get to lynch him. If he gets rb'd and town dies then who cares we get to lynch him. I just think milo is a seriously stale topic and other lynches are far far better. I don't think there is a better lynch than mafia. And if we lynch milo today and he flips scum then we have confirmed that there is no rb and the player with the gun can still announce and be held accountable. If we do not lynch milo today then we only achieve that tomorrows discussion will also be stale. | ||
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On July 13 2015 00:54 LightningStrike wrote: Well I got one way to see if I got roleblocked because I did try to give my last gun away should I out the person out to see if they got it or no? No need to do that during the day. | ||
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On July 13 2015 01:21 marvellosity wrote: sheeping harkon. ##vote milo Nothing else to say? | ||
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On July 13 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote: i've decided not to play today ^^ if milo flips scum, i don't know cause i'm right where i was n2 >< and all hf does when i try to get him to talk to me is fucking snipe if milo flips town, hf is probably town and playing like the shittiest game of his life -_- i'd lynch scott if people don't want to lynch milo, but his play still makes no sense to me coming from town ruxx, too, but i don't expect anyone to agree with me on that xP agreed with ows/hf on ebh's entrance...he's just stoking the fire and clearly not even reading the game don't know what bresh or ksc are doing, but i hardly think two non-posts in a 12 pg newbie while we're basically on auto here makes him slam-dunk scum, jat Did I call him slam-dunk scum? How does HF's alignment depend on milo's? Doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
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On July 13 2015 02:11 rsoultin wrote: lol you don't get why i was trying to get people to think i had the gun and was going to shoot hf? Sure, so what? | ||
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On July 13 2015 02:17 rsoultin wrote: maybe i was like super transparent and scum called my bluff, but i think they'd still play it safe, personally. it's not unreasonable for ls to give me a gun or for me to yolo it xP so if milo flips town, that means there probably is a 2nd rb and they did rb him today rather than rbing my "shot" on hf I don't think that proves anything tbh. | ||
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On July 13 2015 02:44 rsoultin wrote: no, it had to do with how the shitfights were happening? like last game, in himalayas, he just wouldn't fucking stop. everything had a response, he'd fight you tooth and nail over every little thing no matter how illogical here he'd actually just leave for long periods of time it feels like he's just trying to discredit and throw shit at me at every turn, but i don't know that scum!hf would actually avoid me like this, and some of his other reads and pushes have been okay so yeah -_- i'm not really sure what to think about him obviously it didn't start today lol >< Well, maybe that's because HF noticed that this approach does not work in this town? How many people called him scum for it now? Yeah, a lot. Including the townleaders. If scumHF keeps this up he just gets lynched while the town in himalayas townread him for it. | ||
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On July 13 2015 02:49 rsoultin wrote: i know it doesn't make him town, jat i also know that i'm inclined to call him scum for all the sniping and the cases that are blatantly wrong or exaggerated i was questioning ruxx to see if i wanted to do the gun play with him or hf...and settled on hf, cause yeah, i'm like right in the middle on him right now >< it doesn't look like last game did Then why are you changing your mind? Why does it SUDDENLY not look like last game? Or is it because I said we should just lynch both of you? | ||
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No? Do want me to believe the only reason HF was one of your scumreads in your listpost was your gun play? | ||
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On July 13 2015 03:04 rsoultin wrote: hf - it really fucking irritates me how he likes to come in and just snipe at me for the hell of it...i was fully willing to work with him and put the trfel thing behind us, but he's right there pinging me for useless shit...like telling me to shut up when i'm catching up and his bm snipe while voting bm...too much fighting with everyone and not just me, while everything (his attitude, not scumreading damdy, etc. etc.) is apparently my fault? he just pulled this shit in himalayas and i have a hard time seeing him as town here. ^ the read is how i really feel about him lol >< That's weird because you just said it does NOT feel like himalayas. Wtf... | ||
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On July 13 2015 15:52 rsoultin wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 11 2015 12:47 rsoultin wrote: eh i dunnae, like i kinda feel about mz like i did about gb...like i read his filter and i still don't really get those super scummy vibes? it was kind of ludicrous to even suggest a wagon when he'd barely read the thread yet, but i actually get what he's saying about milo and ritoky? like if we had any blues who weren't outed i'd say concentrate actions there lol >< cause town feels but knowing his alignment is kinda key to the d1 lynch also i completely get his frustration with marv >< it's a bit wifomy and admittedly i don't know him, but scum uuuuusually doesn't take confirmed town thread leaders and antagonize them further. but maybe it resonates because i get tired of the egos myself quite frequently (<3 marv...you've been amazing this game, though, lol, don't get me wrong. ippo made me want to strangle you at times, though) also i think if he's town that makes it way more likely scott is scum...triple buss seems really odd here On July 11 2015 12:55 rsoultin wrote: objectively mz or milo is the best shot? i mean, i think that's obvious lol >< hf being a twit aside i'm not an idiot mz probably gives us more information, but even people not hard-scumreading milo i don't see actually thinking he could be town really, so it saves us the time of lynching him and probably hits scum either is good. personally i think a check on mz would be better but lol >< not really expecting that to happen since everyone and their brother has already claimed On July 12 2015 02:38 rsoultin wrote: that was where i waffled? like...i don't know him and maybe he's really just ballsy as shit (i'll admit that i'll do this as either alignment, but it's more foolish than ballsy xP), but if you're scum and people like marv are scumreading you in a game like this where marv is like all but above suspicion, it just seems like a really bad idea to start insulting the shit out of him -shrugs- i guess that's wifom but it's enough to make me waffle, anyway. plus, as i said, i kinda get where he was going with the ritoky/milo thing. not sure i fully agree with it but i can see how you can say "well the second guy who claimed it saw what happened with the first" hold on let me review something... On July 12 2015 02:50 rsoultin wrote: ^ like, maybe this post from milo is just pragmatism, but he has rit as his 3rd suspect after ritoky's claim, and the only mention that i can find of rit between this switch is here: ??? there's no indication of where his read changed? like it doesn't matter if rit flips cop before milo claims, but afterwards, that makes milo look bad. lol >< so yeah i can see people coming to that conclusion well before the tracker claim on d2, in all honesty. not sure how tmi it is? @ hts...there's nothing verifiable about the "tmi" accusation lol >< i thought that accusing mz of tmi in the first place was a stretch. read the quotes in the spoiler jat's saying that i should just sheep him, marv and ls on their reads, cause i'm so well-known for like sheeping people blindly and shit xP i didn't even look at the meta you're looking up, and even if i had i doubt it would have changed the fact that the main, actual accusation against mz...that he had tmi regarding rit and milo...i disagreed with essentially, you're wasting your time. you either believe or disbelieve that my read on mz came from tmi...i didn't take the meta into account when i posted and jat still thinks that i tmi in my scumgames cause of the hard-buss on him in my very first one lol >< It wasn't the hard bus. It was the nonstop defending of scummy townies. And no, the tmi accusation was not the main thing against MZ. So, regarding our lynch today: The only way milo is not scum is if there are 2 scum roleblockers. I have never seen 2 roleblockers ever in any game so that seems pretty damn unlikely to me (it is possible though). If damdred/milo are both scum we don't have that many claimed roles so far either so 2 rbs would also not be balanced in my opinion (especially since most of our roles have limited shots). So to not lynch milo I would need a damn good reason to think he is town. So I took a look at his filter - his day1 was not so bad and had me think "maybe I need to at least entertain the possibility of him being town". Then I read the rest -> "lol, nope". We are lynching him today and you clowns will all fall in line like good little sheep and this does not mean you shouldn't discuss anything else today. | ||
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On July 13 2015 18:44 marvellosity wrote: like this? when? i'm sadder than i thought i was going to be. I've not read anything at all this phase. I'll comment on a post if you link it to me though. Just read it - it is not that much since the thread has been going very slowly. You won't be alive for much longer anyways. | ||
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On July 13 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote: Kelsier really has just given up on this game, huh? Yup. | ||
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On July 13 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote: i'd rather kill wave than vivax. How much do you want to kill wave though? | ||
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On July 13 2015 20:10 Breshke wrote: Does anyone want to run me through why they think bf is town/mafia. I believe thread sentiment is town at the moment for him? Tried reading his filter and early he seems to be kinda of all over the place with his scumreads which scott pointed out at the time which gives me weird feelings about scott. I also dislike his meta case on KSC because its based off of one game. I also dislike when he quotes peoples useless one liners as a reason to scumread because it feels like a weak thing to push on. I would have him lean scum if anything When I read his stuff day1 I thought he was town but I don't really remember why. The oneliner thing is retarded but he made the same argument in his last game as town. On July 13 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote: maybe a little more than you'd think? i get the (and i think have made it as well in thread, if not i thought i) not giving fucks = town argument, Wave does things as mafia argument. but i also think wave has *some* will to win, *some* desire to solve the game as town. i'm finding it all harder to believe as the game goes on. Ok. Reasonable I guess. Tbh I am kinda hoping he gets modkilled soon. | ||
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On July 13 2015 22:59 marvellosity wrote: hahaha. that story was surprisingly good. Art was my solid "D" subject while I had to take it at school. "Andrew, it looks like you drew that outside the classroom just now!" "uh......" I always hated art and complained that it had to be a subject in school at all. Scientists don't need art. At least not the draw with a pencil kind. | ||
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On July 13 2015 23:15 marvellosity wrote: so i assume rsoultin still thinks ruxxar is mafia, yes? Well, there is nothing that indicates otherwise. | ||
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On July 13 2015 23:22 marvellosity wrote: who do you think is more likely to be town? and yes i know it's probably littered over your filter, but i've forgotten and i don't wanna look I don't know if I have an answer to that anymore. Yesterday I would have said HF today I am not sure. I don't townread either which in a vacuum would only be normal for HF I guess? But I really hated the way he pushed things/fought with people. Since my hope is basically that I do not need to decide another lynch after today I am kinda tempted to just be an asshole and not take a stance. Did you read the d3 thread by now? Because my recent concerns with rsoultin are in there. On July 13 2015 23:39 Half the Sky wrote: I'm going to go as far to say that whoever is armed should shoot into one of these two. And I will also admit that on my vig shot, I came very close to defying town and shooting Holyflare, I was at the point that I was willing to get myself policy lynched for it too until I saw Harkon's tactical post (and subsequently LS's understandable threat). I can absolutely understand you. I would probably have been really relieved by a HF shot regardless of his alignment but it's just the obectively worse play because a town HF is infinitely more valuable and more likely to avoid being mislynched than a town MZ who also was a day1 wagon. Concerning the next shot - why not let marv choose? I keep choosing the lynch and he can have the shot. That sounds totally fair to me. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote: 1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions. Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid. I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business. Sorry, but this is exactly what he has been doing this game too. Don't like this post in general. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:32 Holyflare wrote: Right and if he's town he'll have a logical explanation for all of his thought processes and me picking it apart for more information helps me get a read on him. I don't think it's as dead set as everyone makes it out to be and i sure don't want to just afk while he gets lynched. It is dead set barring a miracle and you know that. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:58 Holyflare wrote: Well there's things in the back of my mind and from interactions that hint that milo could be town so I'm going to get to the bottom of it before it's too late. Don't let us stop you. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:47 marvellosity wrote: i want to lynch Trfel. although not now. The way he is playing is absolutely despicable if he is town. I just read the quote chain HF posted again. How can this dude be town? (rhetorical question) - don't get me wrong I think it is possible. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:52 boxerfred wrote: if have a strong gut feeling that hf is scum. can't explain really but I feel like he's way too much concerned about milo. like, unnecessarily concerned. he'll be lynched so why bother, why not concentrate on other things and analyze milo's reads later, depending on his flip? I think this is a good thought. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:57 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I feel bad for milo if he flips town as he simply got BH'd if you look at it objectively. He's a newer player and going back and analyzing the situation when you factor in that MZ flipped town he's being killed for very stringent reasons and mostly the "lol no double mafia RB that's too weird!!" Although I have no idea how I could go about changing this lynch when I'm apparently not in good standing with the town so that's life. MZ flipping green doesn't invalidate anything wtf are you talking about. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:59 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: also I can hear ritoky in the back of my head citing "unmentionable" reasons for why milo is town and hes confirmed town now so...its not bs. He mentioned them and they were bs. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:04 Holyflare wrote: If trfel flips mafia maybe you guys will believe the rsoul read, yay! She has been wrong on her awesome tonereads before. But yeah, it wouldn't be a point in her favor. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote: What did poor harkon do? He took a bullet, man. yeah, marv bro wtf are you talking about? | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote: i have a bad feeling about this xD 2 roleblockers tho :/ You had a bad feeling about damdred too, pussy. | ||
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Yeah, I don't agree and I won't go through the effort to quote all the bm/personal attack containing posts he made. Move on. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:02 rsoultin wrote: o.0 i don't know whether to \o/ for jat or just...meh -_- Idk either but I want to lynch EBH with fire for the stuff he said about milo. It's better if I take a long break before I post more though. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: Yay my mafia buddy survived! Next time don't start timing all over the place man. They are onto us now. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:07 Holyflare wrote: Sorry buddy I'll wifom the nk so it explains you living Good idea, they will never know. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Honestly imagine scum has 2 RB and town has 2 cops and a 2shot gunsmith. There's 25 people in the game. The cops aren't supposed to both claim d1. It doesn't sound so bad. Yes it does. Those roles are already restricted and they wouldn't even be op if they weren't unless scum has 0 other roles. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote: No, this is false. Holyflare posts a ton and sounds very convincing. Lynching him is nearly impossible, and almost never happens. However, he's scum. Shooting him is a good way to kill him. This is a case where someone needs to take initiative and kill a high risk, high reward target where town doesn't have the confidence to lynch him otherwise. Holyflare is a very good shot. If you are town start playing the game. Even if HF is mafia you are not convincing anyone like this. You are a pretty good vigshot. | ||
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On July 14 2015 07:25 Holyflare wrote: Hey don't care if I'm shot. Bit of a waste with all the lurkers and maybe you'll start sheeping my reads I'll take that deal. Put in effort and solve the game tonight, we shoot you and if you flip town we are just lyncing through your scumlist. Sounds like a plan. | ||
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On July 14 2015 17:01 Vivax wrote: Aren't you the dude who said the cop is confirmed mafia No, I never said that. Not that it matters anyways. I am way more suspicious of the people suddenly defending milo when the lynch was set btw. | ||
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On July 14 2015 17:10 Trfel wrote: Harkon, is there an error in my read on ruXxar? I don't know if it is as ironclad as you seem to think but no, I don't think so. | ||
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On July 14 2015 17:22 Vivax wrote: That was when I posted my arguments on scott. And it's ridiculous you wanna scumread people for being right. When the majority of town has been led SO astray that the cop gets lynched there is no fucking reason for them to defend someone they KNOW is cop. It's like a gift. My jimmies are super rustled now that I know I could have actually picked a better lynch than what you and other people suggested on d1 and d3. But I know nobody listens to me even though I would have made a better decision on both days so my motivation is going towards zero as well. Yes, and that post was in regard to what I said about milo earlier -> he is basically confirmed scum unless there are 2 rbs (which I said was possible but very unlikely) - there is nothing wrong with that statement. If you want to keep throwing shit at confirmed town be my guest though. The bolded is pretty much complete bs. | ||
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On July 14 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote: An Analysis of the Brussels Sprout Conversation + Show Spoiler + Background: Oatsmaster mentioned that rsoultin's high usage of "xP" in this game suggests that she is mafia. KelsierSC analyzed several of rsoultin's games as both alignments and concluded that rsoultin uses "xP" more as mafia than as town, and her average in this game matched her town averages. However, he then analyzed only the first four pages of each game, and the "xP" count was not alignment indicative. On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote: Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation The post that started the conversation. On July 06 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote: kelsier is pretty obviously town tbh. On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote: It's a simple question, and it has a simple answer. However, as town, rsoultin doesn't care if she argues with people, doesn't care about looking good, tends to answer questions and discuss in a really round-about way, and really doesn't like dealing with people/reads she thinks are stupid. I know you're going to say that rsoultin does this as mafia too, just wait patiently...What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote: What rsoultin is saying is fairly obvious, at this point. If someone is smart, and they say/do something that is clearly below their intelligence, then this is a reasonable sign that they are mafia. The problem is that there are many reasons that people can incorrectly read people in this way (applying the method incorrectly, such as incorrect assumptions about people's intelligence, misreading the questions, people simply thinking in different ways, other factors like being high/drunk/etc). But the core of the read is a sensible read. There is no town motivation for intentionally being stupid.Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote: Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question. On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote: Swahili, as in that Harkon completely missed rsoultin's answer, as if it were in Swahili. Then rsoultin slightly expands on the same thing.Swahili I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote: so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then? On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote: I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ On July 06 2015 22:51 rsoultin wrote: Okay yeah lol you can be a brussels sprout if you want ^^ the imitation is spot on On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote: kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly That's enough to convey the point. Rsoultin did answer the questions asked of her every single time, just in a very round-about way. And evidently Harkon and marvellosity didn't really understand the answers (or they could have gone straight to the important questions, such as why rsoultin expects more intelligence than this from KelsierSC, how she knows that there isn't some other explanation, why rsoultin isn't paying attention to the effort that KelsierSC used, etc. As town, rsoultin seems to care more about answering questions in her own way and posting in her own way than playing such that other people can easily/clearly see what she is saying. We've talked about this a few times. In Assassination Mafia, this eventually caused her to make a few huge essay-style posts, clearly stating her reads in simple English. Point being that rsoultin seemingly dodging questions and being unhelpful is an issue in communication, and doesn't make her scum. On the contrary, I think that as mafia, rsoultin would be more willing to be helpful and answer questions more clearly, and be less argumentative. Furthermore, there's an element of creativity to these answers that provides hints at the thought process that created her reads, which could be harder to replicate as scum. Although at times it may seem that rsoultin is dodging questions or being unhelpful, this is generally not true. Rsoultin knows how to clearly answer questions, and as scum, she'd be more interested in doing so. The fact that she is still stubbornly playing in her own style, despite being scumread for it, suggests that she is town. Rsoultin did NOT answer the question in this quote chain. She waffled around the issue saying Kelsier was less towny for something that is not scummy and that she did not even say is scummy. To the bolded: The only relevant question here is if she thinks that him lacking intelligence makes him scum and why. That is exactly what we asked her and that is what she refused to answer in a straight way. It is as simple as that. | ||
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On July 14 2015 18:53 marvellosity wrote: tempted just to write off Trfel as town for it I'm on board. I also like how he starts playing the game and his contributions seem ok. | ||
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On July 14 2015 22:17 rsoultin wrote: -_- the brussels sprout thing again? trfel lol >< i'd almost forgotten how annoyed they'd made me damn you i said that doing retarded things is scummy for intelligent people dropping a hard townread to a lesser townread makes it obvious that i think it's alignment indicative like, not sure how you think i didn't answer this? oats believing me having more or less xPs in one game vs. another (was bound to be one) is alignment indicative i don't care about. it's oats. ksc, computer software writing extraordinaire and frankly very impressive to me last game, running off to do statistical analysis on it was retarded i still think he's town probably this game? which i guess we know for sure soon -_- but yeah, if y'all don't get that hf can't be a koshi or that i can't be a sicklucker...our brains aren't wired that way...then i have no use for you, jat That's all cool and all but the important question is of course: Can you be an oats? | ||
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On July 14 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote: 1) Marvellosity (filter) - town 2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum? 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - pooface 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town 5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt 6) Vivax (filter) - maybe town? 10) boxerfred (filter) - ? 11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) DLME Investigator Shot Night 2 12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town? 13) LightningStrike (filter) - town 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - maybe town? 16) KelsierSC (filter) - modkilled 18) Breshke (filter) - tonally town 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish? 21) rsoultin (filter) - ? 22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish 23) Harkon (filter) - p likely town 24) Holyflare (filter) - ? 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - seemed townish but could easily not be i guess ? like i do this, there are 4 mafia, so i'm calling a bunch of mafia town. Cool, I have a similar problem but I am nullreading most people instead of townreading them. 1) Marvellosity (filter) - p likely town 2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum? 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - bad 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town or playing a really good scumgame 5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt 6) Vivax (filter) - no idea 10) boxerfred (filter) - I think town? 12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town? 13) LightningStrike (filter) - town 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - no idea 18) Breshke (filter) - no idea 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish? 21) rsoultin (filter) - ? 22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish 23) Harkon (filter) - town 24) Holyflare (filter) - ? 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - no idea | ||
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On July 14 2015 22:55 rsoultin wrote: ??? why does him beimg make him defo mafia? I have no further questions. Case closed. | ||
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On July 14 2015 23:09 marvellosity wrote: why is EBH VA? To be honest I thought he was VA as soon as I saw his name. | ||
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On July 15 2015 03:48 Clarity_nl wrote: marv are you around? Are you not at all afraid of being night killed and having not left a post? Marv never leaves a legacy as town. | ||
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On July 15 2015 04:57 marvellosity wrote: i would say it was odd how you kept interacting with milo, but i didn't really participate in the lynch so i'm not really sure if it was or not It absolutely was. | ||
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Also more confident in HF being scum again - his recent posting is terrible. | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote: I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines. This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote: VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues. Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote: From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town? There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote: lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points Further shitflinging. Very productive. On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote: Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. On July 15 2015 04:27 Holyflare wrote: if you believe that ls gave obiwanshinobi his gun then you might actually be mafia Absolutely nonsensical statement. On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote: how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. | ||
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On July 15 2015 00:16 Half the Sky wrote: Where I stand.... 1) Marvellosity (filter) - town 2) Scott31337 (filter) - probably mafia 3) WaveofShadow (filter) - town solely on meta, but that meta could be broken. Would leave alone due to potential mod action. 4) Clarity_nl (filter) - town - not ever played with him, ignoring meta he's town 5) ruXxar (filter) - didn't like him at the beginning (back and forth with Ras), and then thought he was slightly better last cycle 6) Vivax (filter) - went from slight scumlean to slight townlean 10) boxerfred (filter) - very light townread 12) Trfel (filter) - would buy into DMA - town 13) LightningStrike (filter) - town, confirmed 15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - town, but have been wrong on him before (Aperture, JOAT) 18) Breshke (filter) - town 19) Oatsmaster (filter) - town based on his interactions/putting self out there 21) rsoultin (filter) - was pretty sure she was town 22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish 23) Harkon (filter) - town 24) Holyflare (filter) - thought scum through most of d2/n2, not sure either way now 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - null to scumlean If I'm wrong on people I think I could be wrong on the following people: WoS (easily broken meta) Clarity (unfamiliarity if he is playing his scum game but someone else needs to flip before we cross this bridge I think) ruXxar (duh) Vivax (still adjusting to his new meta after bombing him in assassination, not sure why he wasn't analysing scummy behavior by the DT claims, which led to a reasonable rationale to doubt them, although I think he said otherwise for milo? I cannot remember), boxerfred (easily broken meta but what he IS questioning seems reasonable I think?) OWS (poor track record of reading him) and Ras/HF are pretty obvious. Harkon, why is Breshke a tossup for you? Because I just don't remember anything he posted. That's usually not a good sign. Other people are townreading him though so -> null. On July 15 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote: Ok, so I'm thinking that kelsier is going to be a very interesting flip if he's mafia. Once we have 2 mafia flipped we can start analyizing inter-mafia behavior and try to glean some information from how they interact(or don't!) with each other. Until then it's sort of hard to draw any associative patterns between people. I've looked more deeply into damdred's filter to see if I can find anything peculiar. This is all from before geript claimed he tracked damdred: + Show Spoiler + Read progression: Scumreads(strength): LS - (very strong). Clarity (strong). Ritoky (medium) Trfel (weak) Wave (very weak). Town reads: Ruxx Marv Kelsier HF HTS Palmar We can see how he had both ritoky and LS in his scum-reads day 1. and they were 2 of his strongest scum reads. Looking at this I find it unlikely that damdred would hard bus his partner so in my mind it's even less likely that clarity is scum here. As for the town-reads I'll analyze them after tonight since at least kelsier is flipping and maybe one more. Damdred is actually known for hard bussing his partners. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense. Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons? Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:35 Holyflare wrote: 1. It's not a bad read, obi is serious the majority of time as mafia and has done it ONCE as town. 2. Please point out the games where I was mafia and shot you because afaik i have never ever shot you in my life willingly and the only game i remember was because you were a vigilante and that was like 5 million years ago. You may think I do it a lot but it has not been the case at all. No proof. I genuinely think that you are not a very productive player and yes it's ad hom or whatever but it's why i leave you alive if you're in a game with me. Knowing my true thoughts you can see where my thought process isn't needless shit flinging anymore and instead becomes a logical thought process. 3. I agreed with this but reasoned a team of VA would because he said he would last game. 4. This point is actually not shit flinging and wasn't meant to be an accusation against obi. It is VA and he doesn't post much as any alignment and Obi was getting annoyed at VA who does that as any alignment? It doesn't make sense and is scummy. 5. No it's not when you've scum read them all game and they play to your read. Does Obi's reaction to me just now look anything like his reaction to EBH? The answer is undeniably no. I know how obi omgus' people and he just calls them mafia and afk's, this is DISTINCTLY different. 6. It's not nonsensical. Obi was never going to get the gun and ruxxar was treating it like it might be true and giving it thought. This would make sense if Ruxxar were mafia and Obi was town because it looks like he is thinking it's true and following along with it. 7. No i don't. As you can see, your points are baseless and don't make me mafia. You should just drop it JAT. 1. Yes, it is a bad read. 2. I have been shot in each and every towngame that my team lost except for TL Noir and still not themed (where I was the lined up next nightkill). I have played against you as scum multiple times and lost (at least I am pretty sure of at least 2 instances). So you definitely shot me. I will not put in useless effort to search for those games. 3./4. blablabla 5. No. 6. That's even more nonsensical. Why would town ruxxar not think about it? 7. Yes, you do. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Deadline is soon, I expect you to die tonight, doubly so if HF is scum. My strong townread is calling my other strong townread scum sooooo I'd like you to try and convince me. Seriously though I think HF is totes town. I can't convince you anyways because no matter how many things are brought up against HF you will keep calling him town for things that don't make him town. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:39 Holyflare wrote: No i'm not. Why can't you ever just -redacted- talk to me like an actual human being and instead talk around me? Your play would improve ten fold. Tell me what obi does as town and I will tell you why it's not like that in this game. Or reasons that are not true. Write them out for me. I will counter them. Why can't I talk to you like an actual human being while you are throwing ad hom at me for like the entire game? Seriously? | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:47 Clarity_nl wrote: That's just ridiculous. I'm clearly giving you the time of day, you seem really convinced that he's scum and it worries me for a number of reasons. Obviously at some point later on if HF and myself are both still alive I will ahve to read into his meta, and I'd like to be able to look back and see what you're seeing. You could always NOT try to convince me, but that's just dumb. I pointed out a shitload of things that are wrong about HF. It's all in my filter - you should go read it. And yes, unless you start reading some of his scumgames talking to you will most likely be useless considering your reasons to read him town. | ||
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There are only 2 possibilities: 1) You are playing the worst and most destructive towngame of your TL mafia life. 2) You are mafia. Everyone may decide for himself. While they are doing so feel free to keep trying to get me to modkill myself - it won't happen. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:01 ruXxar wrote: You seemed to have missed the point I was making earlier. I never said that I liked HF's attitude or that I approved of it. I'm not town-reading him for NOT shitflinging. I'm saying that the way he constructs his arguments against people he's pushing, their content and the way he's expressing them is different from a meta based perspective. Is it possible he changed his scum meta from one game to the next? sure, it's possible, he's a good player. However what I've seen from him this game makes me inclined to believe he's town. Town HF is able to pressure or interrogate people without constant ad hom. Town HF knows it is counter productive to constantly provoke players and to fling shit at confirmed townies. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:11 Holyflare wrote: yes i know i'm doing it in this game sherlock and i'm town i'm saying as mafia i don't ad hom people Such productive. Many good player. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Ugh. Alright whatever if HF gets shot tonight I'll be a little happy because apparently I'm gonna need to put hours of work in to confirm my town read on HF, so I hereby withdraw my "I'll insta-lynch you if you shoot HF". That said there are better shots and I think it's rather likely that HF will flip town. But two "confirmed" townies are saying he's scum, shrug. Mafia is hard. I wish marv would say something so I could sheep it. Well, marv is not calling HF town if that is what you are looking for. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:16 Holyflare wrote: jat is also my wifom read of being mafia btw so if he survives the night, you know what my tin foil theory is! hahahahahahahaha Calls me terrible town all day with conviction. Now thinks I could be mafia. Ridiculous. | ||
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On July 15 2015 06:18 Holyflare wrote: Like seriously. You fucking know i'll get shot today and you should be milking reads out of me as much as you can. I've given you my obi read and only clarity really cares while you all just try and discredit me. Talk to me about obi. Give me your reads. Do SOMETHING with me while you can. No. We do not need to milk anything out of you. YOU need to start doing things on your own if you are town. | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 15 2015 06:22 Clarity_nl wrote: PS no one should be saying they got roleblocked, it will simply confirm that you have LS's gun or are a blue without giving town more info. ^ good post | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 15 2015 06:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Can't tell if that's sarcasm. Why would that be sarcasm? | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 15 2015 06:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Lol, you just seem upset that I'm not sheeping your HF scumread. All good. Let's see where we are at after the flips. I promise to keep an open mind I am perfectly able to be objective while strongly disagreeing with you on something. | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 15 2015 06:28 boxerfred wrote: if marv doesn't die this night he's probably scum, yes? No. You can start worrying if he survives one more night after this one. | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 15 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote: @.@ - va - ows shitfight lol >< i just wasted like 45 mins of my life i think of those two i think va's the better shot and i don't know why people are calling for an hf shot, other than he's being an annoying prat and they're afraid we can't lynch him later if needed lol >< (which may actually be a valid point but i'm willing to be optimistic) Why aren't you doing anything now that we are through the lined up lynches? | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 15 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote: ^^ i'm still in class, lovely, while y'all spammed the thread like hellions exam tomorrow already said you won't see much of me till after any other pointless questions you'd like to ask? Not really. | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
My power knows no boundaries. | ||
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Harkon
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