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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 07 2015 00:32 GMT
#1581
On July 07 2015 09:22 ritoky wrote:
Can someone tell me why OWS is town?

And why his drive-by posting is being ignored, but mine wasn't.

Thanx.


I wasn't actually ignored - I was shit on by like 5 different players as soon as I entered the thread.
If you're talking about why people aren't calling me mafia, well, /shrug. I don't have a good answer for you. Maybe I'm just playing better? Plus, I'm borderline impossible to meta, so.

Anyhoezels. I noticed you claimed cop and I'll move my vote now.
Retired.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 07 2015 00:32 GMT
#1582
On July 07 2015 09:31 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit

i want to know why trfel changed his read in between with such basic ls answers

you have turned it into 2 pages of useless shit and you don't even know the answer

fuck off


then why didn't you just ask instead of sit there taking pot shots?
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 00:32 GMT
#1583
On July 07 2015 09:04 Holyflare wrote:
like if you're going to blindly defend him again then just don't even bother with your sarcastic "you should just read" crap when it doesn't answer my questions at all, either answer on behalf of him or don't interject at all?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 00:32 GMT
#1584
I

DID

FUCKING

ASK HOLY SHIT
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 07 2015 00:33 GMT
#1585
Rso and Hf stop fighting.

You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this.
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 00:33 GMT
#1586
just get out seriously

you said you'd leave and you're perpetuating useless theatrics for no reason, I want answers and you're prohibiting them.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 07 2015 00:33 GMT
#1587
On July 07 2015 09:30 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 09:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
How is this thread 79 pages already?


There you are! If you can answer my questions when you have the chance that would be grand.


Which ones?
Retired.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 07 2015 00:34 GMT
#1588
On July 07 2015 09:32 Holyflare wrote:
I

DID

FUCKING

ASK HOLY SHIT


lol like hell you did

being snide and demeaning is not asking anything

i'm leaving ><
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 07 2015 00:34 GMT
#1589
On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso and Hf stop fighting.

You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this.

^
Especially rsoultin stop defending people for no reason if you aren't going to explain anything.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 00:35 GMT
#1590
On July 07 2015 09:03 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:36 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:
I don't disagree with lynching LS.

However

On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?


Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims?

I don't have a read on him.


Hes probably been the most talked about person for the last.... 5-10 pages maybe? claim and all, you have no opinions but quizzed ls about his?
I wasn't asking to find out about ritoky, I don't really care about ritoky.

I was asking to learn more about LightningStrike.


hts saw the questioning

why are you so blind, hf?


QUESTIONING

QUESTIONING

what in his answers lead to him reversing his earlier stance

why is he asking lightningstrike questions when he had the stance of not wanting to lynch him

none of those are answers


quite clearly questions
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 07 2015 00:36 GMT
#1591
Where I stand for now as I go to bed:

Scumreads on ritoky, milo109, LS, HF, Palmar, BM. (Obviously with 5 mafia, I'm wrong somewhere)

I'm sure I'm wrong somewhere on my townreads but it might take more than d1 to resolve.

Trfel I'm holding at null until further explanation.

Meepak is pure policy (absolutely nothing) and BlueHunter, is mostly pure policy, though didn't like the blue hunting parts in his post.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 07 2015 00:37 GMT
#1592
On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso and Hf stop fighting.

You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this.


1000%
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 00:37 GMT
#1593
On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso and Hf stop fighting.

You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this.


no shit i'd absolutely love to I just want answers from people and she makes it literally impossible
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 07 2015 00:38 GMT
#1594
On July 07 2015 09:34 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso and Hf stop fighting.

You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this.

^
Especially rsoultin stop defending people for no reason if you aren't going to explain anything.


do you have any clue how frustrating this is?

HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA

maybe the all-caps will make this get through your thick skulls

i'm not fucking defending truffle i'm saying hf is fucking mafia for the way he's approaching this

>< whatever

i'm not doing this anymore you guys keep being obtuse
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 07 2015 00:38 GMT
#1595
On July 07 2015 09:31 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit

i want to know why trfel changed his read in between with such basic ls answers

you have turned it into 2 pages of useless shit and you don't even know the answer

fuck off


Wouldn't call her perspective "useless shit" tbh, if you're scumreading someone or looking close at someone you probably want to see for yourself whether what they are saying could make sense...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 07 2015 00:39 GMT
#1596
On July 07 2015 09:38 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 09:34 Harkon wrote:
On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso and Hf stop fighting.

You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this.

^
Especially rsoultin stop defending people for no reason if you aren't going to explain anything.


do you have any clue how frustrating this is?

HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA

maybe the all-caps will make this get through your thick skulls

i'm not fucking defending truffle i'm saying hf is fucking mafia for the way he's approaching this

>< whatever

i'm not doing this anymore you guys keep being obtuse

Even if you are right what you are doing right now will make noone want to lynch him so just let it go for now. Your arguments make no sense.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 07 2015 00:40 GMT
#1597
On July 07 2015 09:36 Half the Sky wrote:
Where I stand for now as I go to bed:

Scumreads on ritoky, milo109, LS, HF, Palmar, BM. (Obviously with 5 mafia, I'm wrong somewhere)

I'm sure I'm wrong somewhere on my townreads but it might take more than d1 to resolve.

Trfel I'm holding at null until further explanation.

Meepak is pure policy (absolutely nothing) and BlueHunter, is mostly pure policy, though didn't like the blue hunting parts in his post.

Ugh your read on me is wrong therefore you found your team for now?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 07 2015 00:41 GMT
#1598
On July 07 2015 09:38 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 09:31 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit

i want to know why trfel changed his read in between with such basic ls answers

you have turned it into 2 pages of useless shit and you don't even know the answer

fuck off


Wouldn't call her perspective "useless shit" tbh, if you're scumreading someone or looking close at someone you probably want to see for yourself whether what they are saying could make sense...


I mean the response of "it should be obvious are you blind" is clearly not helpful in response to the question "why are you scum reading ls for no change in ls' posting"
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
July 07 2015 00:41 GMT
#1599
LightningStrike
  • Responses to scumreads
    + Show Spoiler +
    On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:
    On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:
    On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
    ##vote trfel

    Super over explained afk entry excuse post

    You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on...

    Scum #2 I've caught.

    I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack?
    When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town.

    Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording.
    On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
    I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS

    It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo

    ##Vote Lightningstrike

    I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke.
    Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town.

    There are more examples, they're all similar.

    Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas:
    On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
    So ok claiming town which means ls is scum

    Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum!
    + Show Spoiler +
    Jokes man jokes lol
    I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.

  • Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
    + Show Spoiler +
    On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
    If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.

    Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him?

    Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o
    On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:
    On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:
    On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
    If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.

    Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him?

    Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o


    Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him?

    Not much to go on him yet.
    This is his first discussion about reading people in this game.

    Damdred responds like this:
    On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
    Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.

    Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum.
    And LightningStrike responded like this:
    On July 06 2015 08:14 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 08:10 Damdred wrote:
    That might seriously be the laziest I've ever seen ls. It just seems like he's phoning it in.

    I'm like 99% sure ls is scum here

    Fight me I not scum(Seriously though it kinda hard to tell the difference early on but later it's easier to tell the difference from what I had looked).
    If anyone want all his games here they are and correct he rolled town 50% of the time and scum 50% of the time:
    Town:
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?user=scott31337
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?user=scott31337
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=scott31337
    Scum:
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474146-newbie-mini-mafia-lx?user=scott31337
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483087-newbie-student-mafia-viii?user=Scott31337
    http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?user=scott31337
    From what I can tell it's easier to read him later than earlier(Also quick note on the first game I linked he replaced in the night before)
    Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?"
    On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:
    On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:
    On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
    @ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day.

    Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly?
    Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta.


    do you have any town at this point?

    Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game.
    The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town...
    On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:
    On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:
    On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:
    On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:
    On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:
    On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
    I'm back.

    Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.

    But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange


    how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit.
    so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you
    make sens


    I'm not sure I follow 100%.
    example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me.

    that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you


    im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids
    so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good
    im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess
    it dpeends what ls does


    What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in?

    So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content?

    And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta?


    well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later"
    LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly
    so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively


    Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum.
    And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him.

    When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.

  • Meek tone when asking people for reads
    + Show Spoiler +
    One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?"

    On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
    hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye.

    Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o
    Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment.

    On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
    Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please?
    On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
    Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning.

    When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?
    On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
    Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share?


    Compare this to Assassination Mafia:
    On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
    @Marv: What are your current reads?
    @Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread?
    On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
    Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly

    When you are caught up can I have your reads please?
    On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
    On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:
    Final Day 1 Vote Count:


    Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster,
    Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike
    Rsoultin (1) - Onegu
    Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend
    Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks
    BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear,

    Just for informational purposes.

    Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone?


    There's a very clear difference in tone between these games.

    On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:
    Show nested quote +
    On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
    Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.

    Kel is a town lean.

    I'm town, this is a good start

    Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all.
    Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote).

    Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.
There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 07 2015 00:42 GMT
#1600
LS is not mafia.
Something Holyflare said earlier about him was what I agreed with. If I can find it on a reread I'll quote it.
Retired.
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