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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 05:55 GMT
#1810
@trfel: please respond to what HF posted here:

On July 07 2015 13:58 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:
LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight.


This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia.

Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread?


This is a good post. This post should be answered. Unfortunately for HF he would make this post as either alignment so he only gets half the credit he deserves for it.



thanx.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 06:07 GMT
#1817
On July 07 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 14:55 ritoky wrote:
@trfel: please respond to what HF posted here:

On July 07 2015 13:58 ritoky wrote:
On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:
LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight.


This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia.

Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread?


This is a good post. This post should be answered. Unfortunately for HF he would make this post as either alignment so he only gets half the credit he deserves for it.



thanx.
In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it.


How would it be detrimental to town? You said you read his filter and he was town, then there was people being idiots around my claim, then you said he was mafia; but everything you said made him mafia was stuff that you had already previously read in his filter. Is this an incorrect representation? Correct me if it is wrong. Aka, answer the post.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 06:12 GMT
#1820
Actually I might understand why you flipped your read....bleh...I think I get it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 06:13 GMT
#1821
If I am right, that is a really dumb reason to have your initial read in the first place.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 06:15 GMT
#1823
On July 07 2015 15:14 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 15:07 ritoky wrote:
On July 07 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:
On July 07 2015 14:55 ritoky wrote:
@trfel: please respond to what HF posted here:

On July 07 2015 13:58 ritoky wrote:
On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote:
LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight.


This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia.

Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread?


This is a good post. This post should be answered. Unfortunately for HF he would make this post as either alignment so he only gets half the credit he deserves for it.



thanx.
In the event that I'm wrong about LightningStrike, answering this question would be the most harmful thing I could possibly do for town. And I guess I'm not convinced enough about LightningStrike to do that. If it means I get lynched for it, so be it.


How would it be detrimental to town? You said you read his filter and he was town, then there was people being idiots around my claim, then you said he was mafia; but everything you said made him mafia was stuff that you had already previously read in his filter. Is this an incorrect representation? Correct me if it is wrong. Aka, answer the post.
I was scumreading LightningStrike.

Then, I changed my read on him to town.

Something about those questions changed the read back to scum, and the actual reasons that he was scum were the initial things I was scumreading him for.


Okay nevermind, I didn't understand.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 18:20 GMT
#2440
wow, people are bad at mafia. have fun lynching a cop.

people sheeping marv calling me mafia when marv hates me on a personal level, and misreads me every game makes me laugh.

voted on hts cuz some1 else did, don't really care at this point; could be convinced to vote for milo cuz "not enough time so vote on claimed cop" is the stupidest thing ever with 4 hrs left.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 18:31 GMT
#2454
On July 08 2015 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
everyone seems to be dodging hts like a leper


voted on her, i remember he giving a scum read on me early that contained more words than i had posted in the game up to that point. also she has adamantly refused to acknowledge on any level that i am the cop, which is not town. especially since i am a cop.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 18:35 GMT
#2458
alright honestly, fuck this shit. 3 hours left we need a lynch, even if it is on me. no lynching is worse for town than lynching a 1 shot cop who is probably getting rb'd or shot.

if you're not voting on me or HtS I am going to badger you until you give a reason that makes me want to make that person a train instead of the two of us or you need to vote on one.

let's begin.

RUXXAR: Why are you not voting on me or HtS?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 18:36 GMT
#2459
Vivax: Why are you not voting on me or HtS?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 18:42 GMT
#2462
On July 08 2015 03:39 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 03:35 ritoky wrote:
alright honestly, fuck this shit. 3 hours left we need a lynch, even if it is on me. no lynching is worse for town than lynching a 1 shot cop who is probably getting rb'd or shot.

if you're not voting on me or HtS I am going to badger you until you give a reason that makes me want to make that person a train instead of the two of us or you need to vote on one.

let's begin.

RUXXAR: Why are you not voting on me or HtS?


I don't see why those are the only 2 options.
I already gave a reason why I don't want to vote for you.

As for HTS: in my interaction with her in the thread I didn't get a vibe of scumminess, more like genuine curiosity.
Haven't had time read her filter in detail but that's my initial feelings.


Those are currently the 2 options because they lead in votes, feel free to make a compelling case and replace one of the two of us.

Are those reasons for not lynching me or HtS worth potentially no lynching on day 1? They don't sound worth a no-lynch to me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 18:43 GMT
#2463
On July 08 2015 03:41 marvellosity wrote:
good news: i'm kinda here

bad news: i'm here because i abandoned my workout because i was feeling nauseous so i'm not up to much

from this page i gather we're congregating on ritoky/hts. was milo abandoned for some reason? i really don't have the energy to read anything.


I am willing to vote on milo for his "no time so vote on cop" bit, do you have a more compelling reason?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 18:50 GMT
#2471
On July 08 2015 03:45 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 03:42 ritoky wrote:
On July 08 2015 03:39 ruXxar wrote:
On July 08 2015 03:35 ritoky wrote:
alright honestly, fuck this shit. 3 hours left we need a lynch, even if it is on me. no lynching is worse for town than lynching a 1 shot cop who is probably getting rb'd or shot.

if you're not voting on me or HtS I am going to badger you until you give a reason that makes me want to make that person a train instead of the two of us or you need to vote on one.

let's begin.

RUXXAR: Why are you not voting on me or HtS?


I don't see why those are the only 2 options.
I already gave a reason why I don't want to vote for you.

As for HTS: in my interaction with her in the thread I didn't get a vibe of scumminess, more like genuine curiosity.
Haven't had time read her filter in detail but that's my initial feelings.


Those are currently the 2 options because they lead in votes, feel free to make a compelling case and replace one of the two of us.

Are those reasons for not lynching me or HtS worth potentially no lynching on day 1? They don't sound worth a no-lynch to me.

We still have a few hours. There is no need to be dramatic right now.


This is majority, and to lynch a cop there still need to be 5 more votes. To lynch anyone else there need to be at least 10. It is time to get ducks in a row. No-lynching is the worst outcome almost always for town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 19:03 GMT
#2501
On July 08 2015 04:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 03:15 milo109 wrote:
Yo HtS, I don't really understand this style of play. I'll answer your questions, but may I ask why you have decided to have this rather elongated conversation with me, a scum read? I still think KelsierSC is scum, yes. He has had the opposite reaction to me on almost every major event in the game. I've also disliked most of his one-liners, and that is almost all of his posting. I also think there is scum on both the town and mafia side of his list, something a mafia would almost have to do. As for Damdred, I also still think he is mafia. I voted for Ritoky because there isn't enough time to get a wagon started on the other two, but I would advise looking at them.

HF is weird. You're weird. LS is weird. Rsoultin is weird. Who knows if that is mafia indicative or not?


...and this.

##unvote
##vote milo109


your being quiet into opportunism....are we sure we want to move off her?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 19:21 GMT
#2529
On July 08 2015 04:20 marvellosity wrote:
milo/ritoky - any restrictions on when you can use your role?


no
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 19:29 GMT
#2546
i believe him for now, back to HtS. she was silent when i suggested consolidating on me or her, then people suggested milo as an alternative and she suddenly reappeared to be opportunistic. along w/ previously stated stuff.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 19:33 GMT
#2557
On July 08 2015 04:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 04:29 ritoky wrote:
i believe him for now, back to HtS. she was silent when i suggested consolidating on me or her, then people suggested milo as an alternative and she suddenly reappeared to be opportunistic. along w/ previously stated stuff.


More of this please ritoky


When a lynch goes through very easily on day 1 and there's little resistance it is usually on town or derp mafia. That's why I am more inclined to believe milo. The speed at which he garnered votes indicates he is likely town.

Conversely there is so much resistance against lynching HtS, and I don't really understand why people have town reads on her or are averse to it.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 19:34 GMT
#2563
Can we just go back to what I was saying before this milo thing happened?

A no-lynch is worse than lynching a 1-shot cop imo. So please consolidate on me or HtS. I do not want a no-lynch on day 1, it is awful.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 19:35 GMT
#2565
On July 08 2015 04:34 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 04:33 ritoky wrote:
On July 08 2015 04:29 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 08 2015 04:29 ritoky wrote:
i believe him for now, back to HtS. she was silent when i suggested consolidating on me or her, then people suggested milo as an alternative and she suddenly reappeared to be opportunistic. along w/ previously stated stuff.


More of this please ritoky


When a lynch goes through very easily on day 1 and there's little resistance it is usually on town or derp mafia. That's why I am more inclined to believe milo. The speed at which he garnered votes indicates he is likely town.

This is just not true.


It is very true actually.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 19:37 GMT
#2572
On July 08 2015 04:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Well 2 Cop claims is very unlikely esp because ritoky claims 1 shot cop Milo 2 shot cop it still doesn't make sense to have two of the same role except different limitations on them with can only be used once or twice respectively but even then I find it highly unlikely they both cops with limitations on how often they can use their power.


This isn't m13. This is a 25 person game with 3 types of every role; you should get rid of this kind of thinking now, it will cause you problems.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
July 07 2015 19:45 GMT
#2587
i REALLY think milo is also a cop now, for reasons i can't say
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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