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On July 11 2015 12:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 12:18 Vivax wrote:
That list by scott has the interesting point that he accuses me of defending Trfel but at the same time posts something about him that says absoluely nothing about his alignment. The "that was crap but he can be not crap" stuff. I don't see how that's interesting since your defence was incredibly scummy. You said "oh he posted more than j remember i don't want to vote him" yet the scum read was because he posted a lot but said nothing. Hence your defence was scummy even if trfel was not to him.
Well you can fuck off first of all with this cause when I was ready to vote for him you magically lost interest and now you make it an issue again.
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You were super confident he was scum at the beginning of the day when he didn't deliver nothing. *at the beginning of the day*
When he still delivered nothing *at the end of the day* I was ready and you weren't for some reason. So go ahead and tell me what's more odd.
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On July 11 2015 11:36 marvellosity wrote:
btw, geript when you read this, i'm gonna get you to explain your Damdred stuff to me post-game. Even if you think you can't :p
I'll explain it now in spoilers to save space.
+ Show Spoiler +MAGIC! + Show Spoiler +Ok. It's actually pretty simple. As town, he has a very specific thought process that he uses. I don't know what it is and I can't explain it to you. But what I can say is that if you go through his early game especially, I think you'll pretty clearly be able to understand what it is that Damdred picks up on and why. So when he makes pushes that are outside of that recognizable thought process it, and especially when he continues to not use that thought process for who he's pushing, then he's not town.
I think it's very much like in Duke Nukem II Hydra edition where Palmer picked out Sandroba/Syllogism for scum reading someone when they had done something that he knew they would normally townread them. It's kinda odd, but it's pretty important. And I'm honestly not sure I can explain it any better than that. But if you look at my last game with Damdred, in his first post he picked up on one specific thing that I could recognize and I called him obvious town. I don't even have to agree with him on the push. But when he pushes town!Damdred stuff, then there's a specific reason for it. Like there's a, maybe not theme, but there's a checklist or something that he uses constantly or something. And when he pushes on people who haven't hit that checklist, there's alarm bells.
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On July 11 2015 12:25 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 12:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 12:18 Vivax wrote:
That list by scott has the interesting point that he accuses me of defending Trfel but at the same time posts something about him that says absoluely nothing about his alignment. The "that was crap but he can be not crap" stuff. I don't see how that's interesting since your defence was incredibly scummy. You said "oh he posted more than j remember i don't want to vote him" yet the scum read was because he posted a lot but said nothing. Hence your defence was scummy even if trfel was not to him. Well you can fuck off first of all with this cause when I was ready to vote for him you magically lost interest and now you make it an issue again.
Funny how time changes things isn't it? I don't see how this reaction is warranted in any way either since I'm talking about Scott's post and you've somehow made it about my independent trfel read.
I scum read trfel for reasons. You jumped on the wagon. You then read trfel's filter and said you wouldn't lynch him because of the same reasons i wanted to lynch him in the first place. It was pretty scummy. It's a good read and has nothing to do with trfel's alignment.
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On July 11 2015 12:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: On July 11 2015 09:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Cool flip.
Shoot MZ.
Look into scott tomorrow. I'm still thinking he's a good lynch and I literally can't come up with a single reason not to smite him off the face of the earth. Did you ever read Scotts previous games? He seems pretty much the same, lurky and not that useful. Doesn't make him town, though.
Doesn't make him scum either. And that seems to be the only reason you are scumreading him.
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On July 11 2015 12:28 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 12:25 Vivax wrote:On July 11 2015 12:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 12:18 Vivax wrote:
That list by scott has the interesting point that he accuses me of defending Trfel but at the same time posts something about him that says absoluely nothing about his alignment. The "that was crap but he can be not crap" stuff. I don't see how that's interesting since your defence was incredibly scummy. You said "oh he posted more than j remember i don't want to vote him" yet the scum read was because he posted a lot but said nothing. Hence your defence was scummy even if trfel was not to him. Well you can fuck off first of all with this cause when I was ready to vote for him you magically lost interest and now you make it an issue again. Funny how time changes things isn't it? I don't see how this reaction is warranted in any way either since I'm talking about Scott's post and you've somehow made it about my independent trfel read. I scum read trfel for reasons. You jumped on the wagon. You then read trfel's filter and said you wouldn't lynch him because of the same reasons i wanted to lynch him in the first place. It was pretty scummy. It's a good read and has nothing to do with trfel's alignment.
Changing opinion cause I saw something that made me think he might start playing properly isn't scummy. I missed his second page at first, and that's where he started posting some reads.
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On July 11 2015 12:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 11:52 milo109 wrote:On July 11 2015 11:51 ruXxar wrote:On July 11 2015 11:49 milo109 wrote:On July 11 2015 11:46 ruXxar wrote:On July 11 2015 11:29 rsoultin wrote:On July 11 2015 11:25 ruXxar wrote:On July 11 2015 11:23 rsoultin wrote:
i stand corrected lol ><
you needed over 10 minutes to write that? When I give an opinion on people I like to back into their filter to make sure that what I remember actually is factually correct with their actions. yeah like that toneread doesn't even appear until well after the whole thread is talking about lynching him, so i'm just going to completely disregard it xP talk to me about the fake redcheck What do you want to know? I think it's a suboptimal play from a mafia trying to survive. Keep in mind that this was before geript outed. I think the mechanically correct play as mafia is to fake a greencheck/redcheck and then stick with it. Rescinding the check and saying that you got roleblocked is trying to sell the world of there being either 2 mafia RBs or 1 Mafia RB + 1 jailer. I think that is a low percentage play, so I'm not a fan of it. If in some very odd, very parallel universe, you did not automatically assume I was mafia, what would you read from the check? I'm not sure what you mean specifically. Can you clarify? Your response to the check was under the assumption that I was mafia. Under the assumption that I was null, what would your response be? From a real cop perspective that actually got role-blocked, then you know you're pretty much not going to get any checks off until you die. I think the play I would make is to just fake a red on the most scummy player on my list and stick with it. You know you are 100% town, and everyone else is below 100%, so you have to trust in your own reads. In that case I think you made the right play with faking the red-check, but screwed up when you rescinded.
This is not a good idea. Because if you are wrong, and I think it's pretty likely, then you just gave mafia a free mislynch.
I know I did it but that's cause if I didn't we would literally lose.
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On July 11 2015 12:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 12:28 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 12:25 Vivax wrote:On July 11 2015 12:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 12:18 Vivax wrote:
That list by scott has the interesting point that he accuses me of defending Trfel but at the same time posts something about him that says absoluely nothing about his alignment. The "that was crap but he can be not crap" stuff. I don't see how that's interesting since your defence was incredibly scummy. You said "oh he posted more than j remember i don't want to vote him" yet the scum read was because he posted a lot but said nothing. Hence your defence was scummy even if trfel was not to him. Well you can fuck off first of all with this cause when I was ready to vote for him you magically lost interest and now you make it an issue again. Funny how time changes things isn't it? I don't see how this reaction is warranted in any way either since I'm talking about Scott's post and you've somehow made it about my independent trfel read. I scum read trfel for reasons. You jumped on the wagon. You then read trfel's filter and said you wouldn't lynch him because of the same reasons i wanted to lynch him in the first place. It was pretty scummy. It's a good read and has nothing to do with trfel's alignment. Changing opinion cause I saw something that made me think he might start playing properly isn't scummy. I missed his second page at first, and that's where he started posting some reads.
It's disingenuous to say that is how it happened in the thread though. In the thread i was saying he had posted a lot and said nothing, his reads didn't make sense and his questions expected no answers. Then you entered and said after voting him he posted more stuff than you realised. The thread collectively looked at you with a giant wtf and said then you should scum read him more for posting more than you thought and it still being nonsense. I don't think you elaborated it was about his reads. Anyway, this is about scott's post and that is why it makes sense. Everything he wrote was on point and exactly what i was thinking, even the nulls. Only ritoky read was odd.
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On July 11 2015 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 12:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 11 2015 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: On July 11 2015 09:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Cool flip.
Shoot MZ.
Look into scott tomorrow. I'm still thinking he's a good lynch and I literally can't come up with a single reason not to smite him off the face of the earth. Did you ever read Scotts previous games? He seems pretty much the same, lurky and not that useful. Doesn't make him town, though. Doesn't make him scum either. And that seems to be the only reason you are scumreading him.
If we don't lynch scott, who else is mafia then?
Therein lies the problem: I can't come up with a better lynch than scott. He just...Exists. If you present me good reasons for lynching a list of 4 other players without scott among them, then I can reconsider.
Otherwise, my scumread stays.
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Mz / vivax. Ebh. Breshke. Ows.
I can't shake the feeling that ebh knows what he is doing is pretty scummy.
I don't understand how your top scumread in a game with like 20+ people is an afk dude who is not even the only afk dude.
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eh
i dunnae, like i kinda feel about mz like i did about gb...like i read his filter and i still don't really get those super scummy vibes? it was kind of ludicrous to even suggest a wagon when he'd barely read the thread yet, but i actually get what he's saying about milo and ritoky? like if we had any blues who weren't outed i'd say concentrate actions there lol >< cause town feels but knowing his alignment is kinda key to the d1 lynch
also i completely get his frustration with marv >< it's a bit wifomy and admittedly i don't know him, but scum uuuuusually doesn't take confirmed town thread leaders and antagonize them further. but maybe it resonates because i get tired of the egos myself quite frequently
(<3 marv...you've been amazing this game, though, lol, don't get me wrong. ippo made me want to strangle you at times, though)
also i think if he's town that makes it way more likely scott is scum...triple buss seems really odd here
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On July 11 2015 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mz / vivax. Ebh. Breshke. Ows.
I can't shake the feeling that ebh knows what he is doing is pretty scummy.
I don't understand how your top scumread in a game with like 20+ people is an afk dude who is not even the only afk dude.
don't agree with vivax or breshke :/ ows i need to read closer but i've liked him when he was in thread?
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Like come on, would you shoot Scott based on his posts right now and be reasonably confident he's mafia? I don't think so.
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On July 07 2015 03:50 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys I got distracted while I was finishing things up at the house cleaning days are a bitch.
ok I'll try to answer everything of I miss some things just quote them and I'll get them, or if you have a person you specifically want me to talk about I'll try to get to it.
Firstly a list of people I am town reading currently:
Ruxxor: last game we played together one of the things or a few things I caught him on was weird interactions with people suspecting them and then forgetting what he's typed. He seems to be a little more consistent with what he's said even if he is putting things a bit odd. Also tone wise he is way different, he seems a bit more relaxed and happier here while my experience with him as scum has been super angry sounding. Content wise he also makes a bit of sense with what he's posting so far.
Marv: Mostly its a tone thing plus he seems really involved in everything going on. I like and understand how he's looking at the game.
Kel: Has really put the work into the game so far that I would expect from a town kel, he has dug through posts in here and has kept brining things back up that he doesn't agree with and he keeps re evaluating as the game goes. Ie when I told him to checkour last game he did and changed a bit of what he said.
Hf: I'm scared of him bit he seems a lot more involved early and seems to be pushing things from a good angle to me. He doesn't sound really stinky to me atm so I'm ok with him being town here.
Hts is someone who I like at this point but don't have a firm handle on right now. For example I can understand the thought processes she uses in giving the reads and when others don't understand you can see a struggle to get people to understand it. Sticks to the guns but seems to really want to work with people to get them to understand the perspective. I think has a good shot at town
palmar is a Toney thing and I like him but I always do.
If anyone has any more specific questions about people not on my list ask.
@kel currently in struggling with my rsoultin read. I'm of two minds whenever her and hf fight one of them is generally scum as they usually get along pretty well. But on the other hand she's so obstinante and doesn't care what people think shed just going to say whatever the hell she wants, that's a town trait to me of hers to. Overall I'm still thinking town but a couple of misgivings about her.
I mentioned on day 1 how weird this town read post was from damdred since he didn't sound sure about those reads at all yet still called them all town and I think i like arbitrarily deciding everyone on this list that's explained is town simply because it looks like he struggled to point out everything obvious that didn't make people towny but did in his mafia world.
#sickreads
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On July 11 2015 12:48 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mz / vivax. Ebh. Breshke. Ows.
I can't shake the feeling that ebh knows what he is doing is pretty scummy.
I don't understand how your top scumread in a game with like 20+ people is an afk dude who is not even the only afk dude. don't agree with vivax or breshke :/ ows i need to read closer but i've liked him when he was in thread?
So you think vivax has been posting stuff that makes sense and is reasonable? Cause I don't.
Why is breshke town?
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Admittedly this might be slightly wifom but I doubt damdred pushes solely townies so if I assume one of his scumreads is actually scum, I'm thinking it's vivax.
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I took a quick look at scotts filter and I still don't see any reasons to scumread him.
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objectively mz or milo is the best shot? i mean, i think that's obvious lol >< hf being a twit aside i'm not an idiot
mz probably gives us more information, but even people not hard-scumreading milo i don't see actually thinking he could be town really, so it saves us the time of lynching him and probably hits scum
either is good. personally i think a check on mz would be better but lol >< not really expecting that to happen since everyone and their brother has already claimed
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On July 11 2015 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Like come on, would you shoot Scott based on his posts right now and be reasonably confident he's mafia? I don't think so.
Yes.
Even if he didn't flip mafia I'd be ecstatic that I could sort past him anyhow.
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And I'm not even scumreading scott for being afk.
I'm scumreading him for being boring, useless, and forgettable.
Get it right at least.
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