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Glad to be here. This is my second mafia game so I know very few people in this game. That's good though since I'll be able to look at people without bias from previous games. I'll be making contributions as soon as I catch up with the thread. | ||
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Anyway, I went through GBs filter and this is my analysis of his filter: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro town: Open and fearless in his comments, very active. Gives out frequent reads. Stimulates Discussion Extensive reads list with reasons Losing temper, defending himself with passion, wanting to discuss reads. Put together a good meta read on bugs with passion behind it. Making a case on breshke. Wants to clear his name, by being willing to answer any questions. Starts putting together reads again post 1 Willing to reconsider his own viewpoint ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Pro mafia: Reads without substance. Large fluff to substance ratio. Claims damdred is town without reason Votes bill murray without reason Tries to push a no lynch on rsoultin and bugs without reason Argues for common policy to not lynch the largest filter which is rsoultin Wants to lynch bill murray again, still haven't seen a reason why. Flip floppity voting in quick succession without reason: post 1 post 2 post 3 Again using filter length as a reason for no lynch this time on kelsier. Lynch list with a lot of new names without any Reasoning Weak reason for wanting to lynch shockey. Completely loses Temper, a weak way to convince people. Gives up trying to defend himself: post 1 post 2 Uses biggest filter excuse again to defend himself. And again Biggest scumread is breshke which he made a case on, but wants to lynch boxerfred and shockey without reason ------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: Seems like a person that likes to babble a lot and not put much thought into what he says. Unstable temper, aggressive tone. A ton of the posts are just fluff and 1 liners. A lot of reads without reasons, often names that wasn't even on his radar before. Some highlights in between. Might just be a talkative person, but I think the way he exposed himself made him an easy target, but maybe its just his nature. I don't like how wishy washy he is with his reads and all the fluff. However day 1 judging of people is hard because there is a lack of information. Throwing things out and getting people defensive and talking is an important job as town. The most compelling townie sign for me was the emotion he showed in his responses. It seemed very genuine that he was offended of being accused of being mafia. I liked the progression from day 1 to day 2, less babbling more constructive discussion. I would like him to keep going with the progression so far and contribute with constructive dialogue. Slight townlean for now. | ||
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On June 20 2015 06:14 LightningStrike wrote: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17nEr1Bjun0YvdD41fcfgBKK4Xefz5AMI_CTTIp_IHmg/edit Here is my document of my reads feel free to comment on them in this thread. I think you should share your thoughts here in this thread, so that they will be available for posterity. If you put your reads somewhere else you can change them at any moment. There's a reason the no edit rule is implemented. I don't even... | ||
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This guy has a pretty short filter, so it didn't take me long to put this together: -------------------------------- Pro town: -------------------------------- Pro mafia: Little activity. Little engagement in the thread. Votes rsoultin without reason Lists onegu, damdred and mig as mafia without reason Claims kelser and lightning are mafia without reason Claims lohengram is mafia without reason Not interested in promoting discussion ------------------------------- That's right, I couldn't find 1 positive town contribution from his filter. Doesn't mean he's mafia, but it means he doesn't contribute to winning as town either. Conclusions: Short filter day 1. Very little contributions, throws out mafia reads without substance. Doesn't make 1 solid case. Does not seem enganged in the game. Posts a lot of useless gifs/videos. Complacent in letting things play out on their own. Mafialean | ||
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I also got suspicious of him wanting people to read his his thoughts on another website. Here's my analysis of him: ----------------------------------- Pro town: Active. Carefree. Composes an early reads list Reads on gwb and rsoultin with reasons Goes through the effort of reading filters from another game. Makes some Observations on GB Puts together a solid reads list ----------------------------------- Pro mafia: Votes shockey without reason Sheeps GWB and votes for GB ----------------------------------- Conclusion : Long filter, a lot of it is fluff. Active. Not timid or afraid to express himself. Calm and collected, does not seem to be pushing any agenda. Has some okay reads, but not as many as I'd like to see compared to his filter length. I get a town vibe off LS. town lean | ||
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On June 20 2015 08:35 Onegu wrote: Really you found him calm and collected? I call BS, he threatend to replace out... And claimed blue role when he was getting pressured On June 19 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote: I am VT this game and I unclaimed because everyone questioned my claim I didn't really expect to much on and decided enough was enough. I prob just replace out because I just can't play this game as last Friday a friend of mine from High School died in a Car Accident and I only found out after I signed up. I thought that I can play but then with the shit happening this game I can't play it anymore and will commit Sudoku. He had a traumatic event happen to him recently. Yes, he did have a little episode where showed some emotion. Despite that he calmed himself down and I saw nothing but good temper outside of that short phase. | ||
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On June 20 2015 08:41 Onegu wrote: Also his VA post is BS also. VA list with me in it was a joke post. His reasons for voting yamato were BM replacing out. I encourage you to find me 1 pro-town action from VA. I'm sure you can find 1 if you try really hard. | ||
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I'll place my vote on him for now until I find someone scummier. ##Vote VayneAuthority | ||
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On June 20 2015 09:01 GlowingBear wrote: I've finished reading Fidei's filter and I hate every single part of it. I don't see someone trying to catch scum, I see a guy faking contribution. His strongest scumread was on VA, but he never actually tried to get VA lynched. He scumread boxer for a very bad reason and kept his vote on him instead of voting VA? It is not making sense to me. His constant need to tell thread should brake the post frenesi and agreeing with a lynch all lurkers policy (which isn't exactly what I was saying, but whatever) gives me the same "I am contributing, guys!" impression. I'll read fidei's filter next. | ||
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On June 20 2015 08:50 ritoky wrote: You didn't say you were ignoring him fake claiming a blue role under very light pressure and then unclaiming it. So that didn't stand out to you as relevant? That also doesn't seem "calm or collected"....Voting shockeyy without reason? He was LS's primary scum read for the majority of the day, then when shockeyy actually started to accrue votes he refused to vote on him and flipped his read over a post I read as scummy. Also, non-specific list posts aren't town indicative of anyone....this is....he is new....could this just be bad play? Read from the LS' filter a lot of information is lost when posts are standalone without quotes encapsulating the context. Also the calm and collected comment was in relation to the other filters I've read so far, particularly GB's. GB's filter is like opening the hose on raw emotion, compared to LS' more shielded and emotionally controlled filter. I didnt notice the blue claim before onegu mentioned it, I'll have to go back and read the situation in context to get a better understanding. | ||
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So first off I want to say that I think it's really stupid to blue claim day 1. He was not under any serious pressure, and it was way too early in the day to claim blue. If he really is a blue, then he made himself an easy target for the mafia, I don't think you can get more anti town than that. Why would he be so desperate to stay alive when he has such light pressure on him? But considering he made it so lightly, mafia is not inclined to believe the claim either. He made a move that both made town wary of starting a train on him day 1, and then mafia wouldn't believe the claim either and shoot him at night. If you consider the circumstances, the only certain thing that can be said was that he made an excellent move from a survival standpoint. From a mafia standpoint it doesn't make sense to draw that much attention to himself, because he would be a prominent lynch target later in the game. It caused a long discussion and he basically turned into a question mark in everyone's mind. Who would take him seriously after this? Mafia wants to gain influence, framine targets by providing believable arguments. LS just lost a significant portion of his power to do that with the blue claim. I see stupid reasons to claim blue as town, I see no reasons to claim blue as mafia. | ||
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On June 20 2015 17:47 Breshke wrote: Town don't care about survival, mafia care about survival. How can you say you see a good move from a survival standpoint but not a mafia standpoint when surviving is mafias wincon. Could you make your next filter dive shockeyy please ruxxar. I'm going to do fidei first as I said, then I'll look into shockey. | ||
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Tries to make early Contributions. Gets his opinions out there to stiumlate discussion. Has an agenda of lynching inactive/non-contributing/anti town people day 1. Which I agree is a good idea in general. Makes a good argument on post content. Puts a lot of effort into filter dives and is able to formulate substantiated reads: Shockey and BF Mig Breshke Vaynes authority Conclusions: Most solid filter I've read so far. I like how he's making few but solid posts. Very little fluff, a lot of meat. Very good effort in all his posts, seems very genuinely interested in contributing. Answering questions, prodding people, making good reads. Not afraid to put his opinion out there, opening himself to scrutiny. This was a pretty easy conclusion. Looks like a textbook example of town to me. | ||
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On June 20 2015 21:29 Holyflare wrote: i also don't know what to think of bugs replacement, what he's doing is pretty towny in theory and I think he's new but he seems to be just glossing over the peoples filters so i'm not sure what exactly to make of it For day 1 analysis, a lot of things are up in the air. It's very easy to read too much into something a person said and feel convinced it was a scumslip or had scum motivations. It's more important for find the overarching direction of a person and see whether their actions align with pro town or pro mafia. Things I specifically look for are : Pro town actions: Making substantiated reads, Usually town puts more effort into their reads than mafia. Asking questions, fishing for information. Answering questions, especially tough ones that doubts their reasoning. Does not give up easily when facing resistance. Mafia tells: Trying to create vote trains for wrong or weak reasons. Usually picking on 1 weak post from a player, or resorting to personal attacks. Throwing out votes on people without reason, hope other people pick up on it and make a case for them. Babbling, spam, pointless discussion. Deflecting attention from mafia friends. I know I'm a newbie still(this is my 2nd game), but this is how I currently think about the game. I'm sure a lot of it can be faked by either side, but if you look at peoples actions in the long run it should be possible to discern some kind of motive, and I find motive to be a very reliable indicator of people's alignments. | ||
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I forgot to add that not doing pro town actions is by nature considered pro mafia. So people that are inactive are automatically hurting town, and are therefore pro mafia. | ||
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On June 20 2015 22:31 Breshke wrote: ruxxar can you pls pls do shockey analysis. Working on it, I didn't forget you. | ||
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My shockey analysis: Pro town: Puts pressure on damdred. Puts pressure on Lightningstrike and was consistent in this for a long time. Tries to push through his question even when ignored: Makes an okay reads list Pro mafia: Rubbish reads list. Seems defensive about his inactivity, yet spends his time complaining instead of making contributions. Complains about rsoultin and her phone excuses. I think that's a weak argument to push against someone. No scum hunting, except for going after LS. Votes on GB because he's being ignored. Switches to boxerfred without reason Conclusions: Little contribution in his posts. Very defensive. Weak arguments in his accusations, relying a lot on what other people said. I find his vote switching from LS to GB really weird, after tunneling LS all game. A lot of negative emotions, like he's constantly angry at something. He did seem consistent in the way he acted so maybe that's just his natural self. Either way: Slight Scumlean | ||
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On June 20 2015 23:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: ruxxar, welcome. Thank you! I will look into lohengram next. | ||
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On June 21 2015 11:18 Lohengramm wrote: NEW COMPUTER BOYS YEEAAAAAAAAAHHHH Welcome to the party! | ||
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I did some filter dives but that's it, it actually feels kinda scary going into this big unknown without any context. So yeah, if I make an ass of myself for not getting some early day 1 references, feel free to bash my head or w/e. So let's go, I'm ready to dance. | ||
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If you ask the thread, the consensus seems to be leaning towards GB at this point. | ||
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I think we'll get along just fine. It's not so scary going into this when I have another replacement by my side! What say you we kick some mafia butt? | ||
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On June 21 2015 11:38 Lohengramm wrote: from what I remember, I agree with the thread why do you think VA is mafia? I did an analysis on his filter, you can read it here | ||
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Some people seem to think it's standard VA meta. I have no idea how he plays. I just looked at it from an isolated point of view and found it lacking, | ||
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at least GB is being active and dishing out information that we can feed off. Simply being inactive and noncontributing, even destructive like VA has been serves noone but mafia. | ||
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On June 21 2015 11:52 VayneAuthority wrote: this ruxxar guy doesnt realize how ironic it is that im his top scumread, im dying over here Pretend I'm a 5 year old. Read this and explain to me why I shouldn't vote on you. One thing I'll give you is that I've only read the filters of like 4-5 people. Unfortunately you are the scummiest of them so far. If you can point me in the direction of someone scummier I'll be glad to take a look. | ||
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On June 21 2015 12:05 LightningStrike wrote: ruXxar since you are here I think you should take a look at Onegu I want a outsider perspective from someone who never played with him before and tell me your thoughts on him please. Fine, I'll take a look. I also looked into lohengramm as I promised : There was really no need to make a whole analysis on him as his filter was short and there was little to pick apart. The conclusion is this: Short filter with some banter, not many reads or accusations. Seems interested in talking, but not making any big pushes yet. For now my stance on him is neutral. | ||
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On June 21 2015 15:45 Fidei86 wrote: So I'm kind of concerned about Ruxxar's read on me. While I am town, I've played pretty rubbish this game. I've discussed the reasons why already. Looking back over my posts, I can totally see why someone would think I was Mafia. I found his town read on me quite disconcerting. I accept that rsoult seems to have a soul read on me as well (which is nice, kinda like Damdred and ritoky), but the reasons Ruxxar gave for his read on me just feel kind of forced? So my subjective opinion of what a town play looks like is wrong? Not sure how you reached that conclusion. So what if I like your filter? I tried to make an analysis of your filter and I quite agreed with a lot of the points you made. Like, compared to the other filters I've read your looks like heaven. I only did your analysis because it was requested by someone else, so yes, maybe it was a little forced. My conclusion would've been the same no matter what points I wrote down. You looked like solid town to me. | ||
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I'm doing the short form of this one as well. I see a person with a lot of energy, wanting to participate, but not really interested in solving the game. Tunnels LS pretty much all game for "personal" reasons, without care for the consequences to this game. I couldn't find 1 substantiated read besides the personal attack on LS. Conclusion : Pretty anti-town. Slight scumlean | ||
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On June 22 2015 03:07 Onegu wrote: Like how LS asks someone who doesnt know me to check my filter and give his thoughts when everyone who has never played with would scum read me... LS know this. Also RuXxar is like trying to make people look better or worse than what they actually are. Hold on a minute, let me get this straight. A new person you never played before comes in. You've never seen him play. Yet somehow you feel qualified to make meta calls about what I'm doing? How about you observe how I play for a bit before you jump to conclusions like that. I hope it's not because I had a scumlean on you, because you already knew that was coming. All I'm doing is giving my honest opinion about people. If you feel like i'm trying to frame someone.. well that's your prerogative. | ||
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On June 22 2015 05:16 ritoky wrote: talk about some1 who might actually get lynched today ruxx. What I see is a heated discussion between GB and holyflare, and I feel like it's very one-sided. Not to be mr.obvious here, but if GB was mafia, would his mafia friends not come to the rescue and try to fend for him? At least somehow try to deflect the attention to someone else, getting a train going on a second horse? All I see is a lone person getting hammered into a corner. I can understand how people might think he is mafia, due to the way the votes evolved on day 1 and there might've seemed like there was mafia train on boxerfred. However if that was true, why stop today? Why bus him today after that heroic effort to save him yesterday? It doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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On June 22 2015 06:12 GlowingBear wrote: I really didn't want to reside on this but I am the detective and I have a green check on mig. This changes things. There is no CC at the moment, (although it would be terrible for the real cop to CC at this point). I'm not willing to risk us losing the cop at this stage. I'll add my vote to Yam if it means saving GB. | ||
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On June 22 2015 14:19 rsoultin wrote: nh... eh honestly this game feels harder than it should be and i'm not sure why What makes you say that? | ||
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On June 22 2015 22:20 rsoultin wrote: ... where did this formula of yours come from, ruxx? What formula? And you didn't answer my question. | ||
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On June 22 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote: Nope I didn't.cause it's a pointless question lol Your reads formula. Where did it come from? I don't think it's pointless. You made that statement for a reason, and I'd like to know that reason. | ||
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I'm not saying it's a definitive list, or even a good list, but that is what I think of the game at this point. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 22 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote: Final Day 2 Vote Count Lohengramm (10): Mig, GlowingBear, Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, ruXxar, Fidei86, Holyflare, Breshke, ShoCkeyy GlowingBear (2): ShoCkeyy (2): LightningStrike (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (0): Holyflare (0): Mig (0): Onegu (0): Slipping from the ledge, Lohengramm fell into the abyss. Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The mafia are most likely voting for Lohengramm here. Reasons being: 1, They don't want to stick out from the crowd. 2. It would draw unnecessary attention to themselves if they didn't follow the cop claim. This gives me a better feeling about LS and nydus being town(Onegu doesn't count since he was afk). Of the people voting on on Lohengramm, I really like Fidei, so I'm giving him a town pass for now. Assuming that GB is cop and that Mig is greenchecked that narrows down my circle of Mafia to these people: Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, onegu(because afk). Of those people my top 3 mafia suspects are: Vayne, Onegu ShoCkeyy. I'll be filter diving the rest on that list to see if I change my mind. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 23 2015 08:39 ruXxar wrote: So here's my thoughts: + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote: Final Day 2 Vote Count Lohengramm (10): Mig, GlowingBear, Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, ruXxar, Fidei86, Holyflare, Breshke, ShoCkeyy GlowingBear (2): ShoCkeyy (2): LightningStrike (1): Onegu VayneAuthority (0): Holyflare (0): Mig (0): Onegu (0): Slipping from the ledge, Lohengramm fell into the abyss. Day 2 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The mafia are most likely voting for Lohengramm here. Reasons being: 1, They don't want to stick out from the crowd. 2. It would draw unnecessary attention to themselves if they didn't follow the cop claim. This gives me a better feeling about LS and nydus being town(Onegu doesn't count since he was afk). Of the people voting on on Lohengramm, I really like Fidei, so I'm giving him a town pass for now. Assuming that GB is cop and that Mig is greenchecked that narrows down my circle of Mafia to these people: Damdred, VayneAuthority, rsoultin, Holyflare, ShoCkeyy, onegu(because afk). Of those people my top 3 mafia suspects are: Vayne, Onegu ShoCkeyy. I'll be filter diving the rest on that list to see if I change my mind. lol xP 14 people...mafia must be in the 10 lynching yama 2 of them (rit, yama) are now dead xP that's um amazing reasoning there ruxx xP assuming that gb is cop and that mig is greenchecked and was neither framed nor is godfather you've only removed fidei from your list? why do you think fidei is town? and don't use your model i want just a straight, unguided answer, cause the obvious reason to think he's town you clearly didn't notice The ones I didn't put on my suspect list aren't there because I haven't read their filters. So yes my view is very skewed :p. Also, I really liked fidei due to his filter, and I'll stand by this no matter what opinion anyone else have of his play. Thing is, If he played and posted the same way as mafia, I would *still* say that he was town. Maybe that's a dumb viewpoint to have but I just love his style of posting. Also the mason claim just reinforced my view, which you posted way after my analysis of him btw :p The fact that I like him so much and that you claim mason with him should actually put you off my list too now that I think about it. | ||
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Which also means I'm terrible at finding mafia -_-. | ||
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The amount of forethought put into that is staggering. From almost being lynched to catching 2 scum :D. The hero we need but don't deserve after how much we let you get pounded. If what you're saying is true then you're the real MVP for sure. so who's first, mig or hf? | ||
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On June 23 2015 15:19 Onegu wrote: Am I the only one seeing LS TMI Why are you even discussing this? It's seems like you're trying awfully hard to deflect from what GB is saying. Let's focus on which mafia to lynch today. | ||
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I strongly believe we should lynch HF over mig for these reasons: - Strong thread presence and very active. If we don't lynch him now he might be able to talk his way out of this later. - Uncanny ability to push through his views(See push on GB) If he's mafia he's very dangerous to keep around. Mig on the other hand seems more laidback and less disruptive in the thread. ##Vote holyflare | ||
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On June 23 2015 10:49 rsoultin wrote: sorry ruxx ^^; this feels kinda dirty but it's the game that just finished...so it is what it is On June 23 2015 22:01 rsoultin wrote: So tempted to pull a gb here lol >< Please address my suspicions on you ruxx So here's how I approached the thread. I replaced into this game when it was 120 pages long. I felt like I had no idea what was going on, or what people were talking about. I wanted to go back and read all the pages but it was just too much, and yes you can blame me for that if you want -_-. So not knowing any people in the game from before, or knowing what people were talking about, it felt really intimidating and awkward to just jump right in the middle of people arguing and pushing people and throwing my opinion around like I knew what I was talking about(it wouldn't be of much help if I couldn't substantiate it with any reasoning). So to get a head start I thought I would do some filter dives to give out my opinion on some people and try to throw ideas out there and stimulate some discussion. It worked, I got requested to do a few more, I got bashed for some due to inaccuracies that gets lost when you don't read the filter in context, also missing the LS blue claim was.. yeah -_-. (Seriously try reading the filter of a person without having read the thread, you're going to miss a lot of things). But I thought it was the best course of action. So after the whole thread died down a bit(the holy flare vs GB discussion), I felt like I could jump in and start some casual conversation. I understand why you would draw that conclusion from the other game, and it's a fair line of thinking, but I honestly didn't see a better course of action for me to get into the game. I needed to have some kind of base to start out on, or else I would just be clueless to what I was really talking about.(And I still am clueless about most people, only read 5-6 filters so far). | ||
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This is probably the last time I'll replace into a game since I just feel like I missed out on way too much of the context, and that it's important to be a part of the game since the beginning to really have a grasp of what's going on. Just going back and reading the thread is not going to get you involved in the same way. | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. Here's how I see it: This is the order of events: - GB claims DT. - GB claims greencheck on mig. - Night 1 ends. - GB does *not* die. This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake. This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia. The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first. Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim. ##Vote mig | ||
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On June 24 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote: lol so you agree with me xP finished the thread yet? Currently on page 40. Going at a slow but steady pace. | ||
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Fucking BatTraps™. I love it. | ||
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You seem to be gungho about getting lynched to prove GB's alignment, but since there's a chance that you're VT, then you must agree that going for the sure or less worse option is better. Look at it from town perspective. Right now you are more beneficial to us than mig. Lynching you just to prove a point is not acceptable. I'll be outlining scenarios for GB being both mafia and DT #1 GB is DT and telling the truth: + Show Spoiler + If you believe that GB is telling the truth, then you have no reason to doubt anything of what he said. This means that GB: - Checked LS, got green - Checked HF, got red - Did *NOT* get roleblocked. So we have to make some assumptions here: - Chance that there is a framer in the game + the framer framing HF : very low. - Chance that HF is miller : low However there is still a chance. GB also claimed a false greencheck on mig. These are the scenarios related to mig: - Chance that mig is mafia and thought the claim was false : likely + Show Spoiler + Mafia keep GB alive - Chance that mig is godfather and thought the claim was true : low + Show Spoiler + In this case they would definitely kill GB, so it's unlikely this happened. There's no scenarios here where GB lives and Mig isn't mafia, unless I missed something. If you believe GB's claim, then lynching mig is absolutely the right choice. Right now this is the world I believe in, and that is why my vote rests on mig for the moment. However, I'll also post up a scenario next of where GB could be mafia, but there's more variables involved so it'll take a little while to put together. | ||
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I just played a game with him where he was lurking hardcore, so I won't judge him based on his activity. I'll respond to your points about damdred: - Early town reads: + Show Spoiler + I really don't know where he gets this from. There's no reasoning, so I'll have to assume it's all based on meta. Maybe damdred knows people well enough to make that call, I don't know. I've heard that judging people from their first posts is actually not as inaccurate as you may think, but I have a hard time believing that. I'll have to assume that his list is very inaccurate. - Crazy defenses of people. + Show Spoiler + I saw damdred do this as town in his last game, and he was right. However I was very suspicious of him doing so and I still think it's a crapshoot. I generally dislike people calling others 100% town and defending them. Let people defend themselves so that you can actually extract information from them. If you put yourself in the line of fire then you make it seem like you have ulterior motives. This is not a point in his favor My own judgement on damdred: He does seem a little wishy washy, and doesn't justify most of his call outs. I'm also not sure how he went from this: On June 22 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote: Mig is mafia and we should lynch Mig To this: On June 22 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote: ok GB and Mig are off the table today Get on yamato. In just 2 pages. I really wish he would qualify his reads more. | ||
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On June 25 2015 03:36 GlowingBear wrote: We are lynching Holyflare Then we are lynching Mig Too late to switch targets. Doing shenanigans here is absolutely dangerous. Lynch HF first, then lynch Mig Did you read my post about you? If you are what you say you are, then explain to me why you want to lynch HF first. | ||
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#2 GB fakeclaimed and is mafia: To see why this makes sense, we need do 2 things: - Determine motivation. - Find inconsistencies in his play that makes a real DT claim unlikely. Motivation: + Show Spoiler + #1 He was on the chopping block However, he was also on the chopping block day 1, and barely lost the race. Why claim day 2 and not day 1? It is strange to me, and I'd like him to explain why. #2 He wanted to get HF out of the game. After arguing hard with HF day 2, he didn't like the pressure put on him by HF. HF was on the right track and he knew he would never get HF lynched without a cop claim. Even when he is more certain that mig is mafia, and lynching mig is the more certain choice, he *STILL* wants to lynch HF. Inconsistencies in play: + Show Spoiler + This is what GB claimed: - Greencheck on LS day 1. - Redcheck on HF day 2. Why a greencheck on LS N-1 doesn't make sense: - Called LS town for most of day 1, yet checks him instead of someone on her potential scum list. Why redcheck on HF N-2 doesn't make sense: - After suspecting day 1 and day 2 that mig, bugs and VA are mafia, he decides to check HF instead. If GB is town, he has no reason to be afraid of the pressure put on him by HF and would rather confirm that someone on his scum list is mafia to get a certain lynch on D-3. These are the points to support a fake claim that I could think of. | ||
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On June 25 2015 04:32 Holyflare wrote: ruxxar where did you go? you've not really told me who mafia is apart from mig? Strongest mafia suspects after mig: #1 VaynesAuthority: + Show Spoiler + Mainly due to his anti-town play You could argue that LS blue claim was even more anti-town, but he drew a ton of attention to himself at the same time which I don't find it likely that a mafia would do. #2 Onegu: + Show Spoiler + Also due to his anti-town actions. Other than that, I'm still observing. | ||
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On June 25 2015 05:14 GlowingBear wrote: WE ARE LYNCHING HOLYFLARE VOTE HIM RIGHT NOW. ... I still don't understand why you are so desperate to lynch HF first. | ||
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On June 25 2015 05:20 GlowingBear wrote: Because I think town needs to consolidate and it is too close to deadline to change targets and Holyflare has a big filter from who we can gather way more information than mig He is objectively a better lynch I don't think this is a good reason at all. If he has a big filter and is more active that means he's more likely to expose his mafia friends as time passes by, whereas we have nothing to gain from keeping mig alive. | ||
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On June 25 2015 05:30 GlowingBear wrote: Would you lynch mig? HF, please answer this question. | ||
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I don't even know anymore. | ||
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GB on my townlist...? Or Mig and VA on my scumlist.... ¿? | ||
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You're a dead man. | ||
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On June 25 2015 07:05 Mig wrote: Hmmm, I really did think gb was mafia Yeah... no. | ||
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All I know is that last time I jumped votes with so little time to spare I made a huge mistake, because i was too naive. | ||
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Looking at incidents in isolation and using your gut feeling is *not* the right way to approach the game at this point. You seem to be grasping at straws to find arguments against me, instead of looking at my overarching play which should clearly show you that I'm town. I don't know bugs, so I'm not going to pretend I knew what his motivations was or interpret his play. Right now I want to focus my attention on finding and lynching scum, so that's what I'm going to do. First off: we are in a terrible position after having lynched 5 VTs, our detective *and* outed our jail keeper. Well fuck it, we can't turn back time, but there still time to turn things around. We need to focus our energy and consolidate so that we don't scatter ourselves all over the place. First up is lynching mig. If for some god forsaken reason you do not agree with this, let me know and ill order you a doctor. 2nd up is lynching HF. You can say there is a miller or a framer of whatever. The chances are so low that I'm not even willing to consider that possibility. A redcheck is a redcheck, and if you'd rather take the *low* chance of him being framed or miller, then you are not thinking rationally. He's dangerous and I want him dead. If we let him live and he's mafia, I have a feeling he's going to destroy us with his persuasion. After those 2 are dead, things get a bit more uncertain. VA was my next target but is now off the list. Onegu is still a very likely possibilty. Not sure who the 4th mafia could be yet, but we have plenty of time to figure that out. We need to stimulate everyone to participate in discussion so that we can gather as much information as possible. Don't be content with letting the lurkers get away with staying silent. I don't want to lynch people based off a coin flip. It's extremely important that we don't mislynch at this point. | ||
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On June 25 2015 11:19 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and Mig actually fake claimed Tracker to get GB lynched -_- Well I think the best play is still lynch Mig but we have to ask ourselves this: Is HF scum or Town even though he got red checked? The reason for this question is because there is unaware Millers in the OP and there is a chance HF is the Unaware Miller so I want everyone's input on that. It's a possibility, but it's very low. Are you willing to take that risk? I'm not. | ||
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On June 25 2015 11:53 GlowingBear wrote: townies that mislynched me, know that I will send PM's to you each day, for 365 days after endgame, reminding you how bad you are. Mark my words. The North remembers. Sorry it ended this way GB. I really thought your play was brilliant. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 25 2015 06:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Day 3 Vote Count Holyflare (2): GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86 Damdred (0): rsoultin (0): Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred Clinging to the ledge, GlowingBear hangs over the abyss. Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Given that GB did the checks that he said he did, mafia would be desperate to get GB lynched, and would be all over voting for him. I find it highly likely that some of the mafia can be found here: GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu This supports the theory that onegu could be mafia. Day 1: I don't think that LS and Onegu are mafia together, judging from the way that Onegu tunneled LS *hard* day 1 and wanted him lynched. He even went so far as to be willing to lynch LS even if it meant losing the game, just to teach him a lesson. That's a mafia play. The rules says to play to win, and that was exactly what he was doing. On June 18 2015 23:40 Onegu wrote: I dont care if the claim is townie. Dont give 2 shits. LS needs to die so he learns a lesson for future games. I am still reading this huge ass thread... On June 18 2015 23:43 Onegu wrote: Dont give 2 shits once again. Dont care his alignment. I care about him stopping this. On June 18 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote: Also I will be honest I think LS is town. On June 19 2015 06:49 Onegu wrote: LS still needs to die. Dont worry I dont plan on being useless all game... On June 19 2015 23:04 Onegu wrote: again dont care if he is town either, want to lynch LS How much more anti-town can you get? Day 3: GB claims he got a redcheck on rsoul. On June 23 2015 12:56 GlowingBear wrote: I've got a red check on you, dear. Onegu jumps at the chance of voting for rsoul: On June 23 2015 12:58 Onegu wrote: HAHAHAHAHA HEADSHOT!!!!! ##Vote Rsoultin No greater pleasure! And he was eager to accept the thought of fidei and rsoul being mafia On June 23 2015 13:04 Onegu wrote: So if this is true you have 3 scum. Fidei, rsoul, and mig right? Turns out GB was joking to get a reaction out of people. And he sure did get a reaction out of onegu. On June 23 2015 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: I'm kidding, just wanted some reactions from people online My red check is on holyflare THANK GOD YOU PRICK YOU PLAYED TOO MUCH WITH MY HEART Adding to that Onegu has barely done anything pro town the whole game. I find it likely that Onegu is mafia This is how my world aligns right now with the latest votes: Day 3 Vote Count Holyflare (2): GlowingBear, NydusHerMain GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86 Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred I'll look further into the people I'm unsure about. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + you realise that ruxxar was bugs right?????????????????? also you keep assuming i'm mafia which doesn't make any sense since i'm still just not mafia also if I wanted to at the time I could have just switched to mig when GB asked if i wanted to quite easily and gotten him lynched/collected credit/saved myself the trouble and why on earth would i not just do that and instead try harder to get myself lynched if mig's plan all along was to claim tracker and get gb lynched? seems like the worst plan in the history of ever to me + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote: HOW FUCKING DUMB IS THIS LOLOOLOLOLOLOL "I see a red check when i'm not red and have scum read the player all game" "let's try and convince the person i'm not scum" i'm convincing everyone else that you ARE mafia after my flip because I WANT TO DIE SO THAT I CAN ENSURE THE FAKE COP DIES LOL spread more shit you fucker lie about onegu lie about mig's "towny plays" when i'm attacking mig as mafia lie about cop checks lie about scum reads lie lie lie lie lie that's all you've done all game From everything i've seen of your play. You basically hard defended mig all day and I don't know what alignment that makes him. Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. FUCKED F-U-C-K-E-D also from the way things went down gb was absolutely a viable mislynch still at the end of n1 and the people going hardest against him were me and bugs, a bugs kill also perpetuates that situation See, here's my problem HF. You keep claiming you're not mafia, but any way I twist it, I can't make it fit. Here's what happened: - GB wanted to lynch you first to prove his alignment. You agreed that it was the right play. - Everything is going fine until mig out of nowhere claims tracker really late. Why? To get the lynch off you and onto GB. - For whatever reason VA decides to out himself(zzz) and suddenly it lends credence to the fact that GB might be lying. The core of this whole debacle is the motivation for mig claiming tracker, when in fact he almost 100% is not tracker now that we've seen GB flip. You agree that we should lynch mig, and that VA is the Jail keeper. The chance that mig is town fake claiming tracker to save you because he thought GB was lying is absurd. He should've just let you die and then we would've *known* for sure what alignments you both have. Like, why would he risk lynching the DT over a VT?! Makes absolutely no sense. If you can make sense of it to me, please let me know. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Gb asks if i want to switch to mig, that's 2 extra votes on mig and then 2 people not voting yet + I've been shitting town rainbows all game. Mig see's and claims tracker to survive. Not a very far stretch in the slightest? I clearly scum read gb and the tracker claim solidified it and i felt so happy that everything i wrote came true and then he flipped cop. GG. Best mafia play since cop dies and mig was definitely going to die anyway and now it spreads suspicion on me since everyone keeps saying hf and mig together based on absolutely no reasoning? Maybe you should read the last day again and see for yourself how scummy i thought gb was (was also very unlikely i was miller which hey, turns out i probably am) Let me break this down so everyone can follow my line of thinking. Here's what has to happen for you *NOT* to be scum: #1 You must dodge a redcheck + Show Spoiler + Either there is a framer in the game and you got framed. Here's what you said about framing: If you believe mig is mafia and GB didn't get rb'd or killed because they thought he was fake claiming, then they would never ever in their life frame me since GB is the only one that would ever check me. or There are miller(s) in the game and you are one of them. #2 The only reason mig had to claim was to save himself + Show Spoiler + Let's see why this doesn't make sense: Holyflare wrote: Gb asks if i want to switch to mig, that's 2 extra votes on mig and then 2 people not voting yet + I've been shitting town rainbows all game. Mig see's and claims tracker to survive. Not a very far stretch in the slightest? This is the timeline: On June 25 2015 05:30 GlowingBear wrote: Would you lynch mig? On June 25 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Mig is very very very coin flippy at the moment. I would never lynch him over myself because the moment I die you are 100% fucked. On June 25 2015 06:01 GlowingBear wrote: Now, townies, listen: CONSOLIDATE on HF. DO NOT GIVE SPACE TO MAFIA SO THEY CAN SHENANNIE ONTO WHOEVER THEY WANT. On June 25 2015 06:10 Mig wrote: Ok didnt want to have to do this, I am a tracker. According to this, he claimed after you *BOTH* said that you were not going to vote for mig, so this point doesn't hold water. #3 Mig claimed tracker without without believing it would succeed + Show Spoiler + So let's say mig planned to claim tracker, not because he wanted to save you, but because he had a shot at taking down GB. How in the world is anyone going to believe him when he's one of the prime suspects? If you are town, then he should be content to let you sit back and die, so he gets one more nights to perform actions. But let's say that you are town, and mig went for the claim anyway. There is *no way* he would do that if he didn't have faith that he could actually take GB down. This means that he needed support. He could *not* have expected VA to out himself. This means that there *has*to be mafia on this list. I'll never believe in this scenario, that there are NO mafioso on this list besides mig: GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu Now the rest of you can believe what you want. But I find it very unlikely that you aren't mafia HF. | ||
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On June 26 2015 03:05 rsoultin wrote: it's no offense to you, ruxx, really. i <3 you and i enjoyed coaching you. but you're just not a n1 kill unless the scum team is high or just like completely afk for when bugs gets replaced None taken :p I know I'm still a newbie, needing to up my game ^^. | ||
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On June 26 2015 03:21 rsoultin wrote: alright i'll try to explain this better the jailkeeper both protects their target from shots AND roleblocks them which means that if a shot doesn't go through scum CAN'T know if the jailkeeper SAVED their target or BLOCKED a scum member, UNLESS the scum member had a secondary action (say rolecop for the sake of this example) that also did not go through...it also could have gone through so they know that it was a save and not a block but essentially the scum member HAD to have a secondary action for mig to know who the jailkeeper targeted since he wasn't actually the tracker also that secondary role COULD NOT have been roleblocker, because it wouldn't have interfered with a scum block does that make sense? Let me try to understand: Mafia has 2 kp delivered by 2 seperate people. 1 Kp was not delivered because it was blocked by JK. For mafia to know *which* kp was blocked, 1 of the deliverers must've had a special role that did not go through. Did I get it right? | ||
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On June 26 2015 06:27 Mig wrote: What if rsoul and hf are mafia team mates and they argue non stop everyday to make sure nothing ever gets done? Long time no see mig. I hope you're sitting comfortable. Tomorrow is going to be a wild ride for you . | ||
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On June 26 2015 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote: because she was spamming the thread with annoying stuff, not sure why would i want to keep reading that LOLOLOLOLOL | ||
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On June 26 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote: gg i'll be rooting for my town bros ^^ ggs, we'll fight for you! | ||
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If not read some of my arguments against both and reevaluate: mig 1 mig 2 mig 3 Holy flare Of course, read the arguments others have made as well and think through it. Think rationally and not emotionally. Emotions are easy to influence. After that, let's continue with discussion. To start off, I want everyone to give me their top mafia reads besides HF and mig. I want to hear from ALL of you. Mine is onegu as I've outlined here. I was a bit lazy yesterday so I don't have a 4th mafia suspect yet. I haven't looked into damdred, shockey and NHM yet, but I'll get to it before the end of this day. | ||
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On June 26 2015 22:50 Holyflare wrote: You realise that this automatically loses us the game? It's not a "minimal chance" it's the actual fact of the matter. You need to reevaluate. I realise that having rsoultin in your qt is a detriment since she was so tunneled on wifom scenarios that she couldn't see the actual version of events that unfolded and repeatedly shut down any discourse for the correct version of events but still. I totally understand how hard it is to believe someone that has a red check on them but at least try what i did yesterday and make scenarios for the 2 eventualities that will unfold. "if hf is town mafia is x, y, z" "if hf is mafia then mafia x, y, z" because that way you won't be totally tunneled on the wrong situation HF, I'd be happy if you'd read the post I made about you here, and responded to it. Take it all into consideration and try to imagine it from my point of view. The chance that you aren't mafia is so small that I can't see a reason to believe that you aren't. Of course you're going to say that you're town if you're mafia. Anything else would just lose you the game. Like tell me, if you were a betting man, would you put money on you being mafia or not? | ||
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On June 26 2015 22:40 Holyflare wrote: So what you're telling me is that when i made a case on damdred and you responded you did so without even giving a crap about damdred's filter?? I skimmed over his filter to find evidence to support the points you made. I was not looking to make a total judgement of damdred at that time. | ||
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On June 26 2015 18:21 Fidei86 wrote: Okay, with rsoult out it looks like I'm going to have to take up the reins a little bit. As an opener, I assume we are all onboard with lynching Mig and HF? I recognise that there is a very minimal chance that HF is miller/was framed, but given that it's a red check from the confirmed cop, I think the odds are much better there than they would be with anyone else. Mig is a no-brainer, given that ritoky was suspicious of him (and this feels a lot like what happened in HG, when rit was suspicious of TT, who was mafia), and also the whole GB green-check bait. If people really aren't enthused about posting, we can play it out until then, as the NK's will further narrow the pool. Fidei, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the situation. Who are your top mafia reads? | ||
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On June 27 2015 02:00 VayneAuthority wrote: I have decided that damdred is 100% scum, truth (tm) read. still undecided on holyflare. but it would make sense to slide him into GB's spot on my diagram as I was on the wrong side of the argument. I felt one had to be scum. So if we cross out my left diagram and go with the right we end up with ( Care to give some reasons? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 26 2015 23:12 ruXxar wrote: HF, I'd be happy if you'd read the post I made about you here, and responded to it. Take it all into consideration and try to imagine it from my point of view. The chance that you aren't mafia is so small that I can't see a reason to believe that you aren't. Of course you're going to say that you're town if you're mafia. Anything else would just lose you the game. Like tell me, if you were a betting man, would you put money on you being mafia or not? Your reasons are silly and tunneled. I am clearly a miller or framed, stop judging by scenarios and judge by my actual play! Where have i pushed mafia things? I've only pushed what i believe to be the case. Gb said he checked lightningstrike but town read him on n1. He then checks me when he said all of my mafia reads that i had been pushing were his mafia reads? Then mig reveals he's tracker. I believed the sensible option and was wrong. See how that works? The most obvious is not always the case. I was supremely tunneled on gb being mafia and my vote was already on gb before mig claimed tracker. Like you said. Mig claiming gets a free cop death or ends in his death anyway. Gb said he had to go to school and then mig claimed without the resistance. It's not hard to reason that mig took that chance. Onegu could be mafia anyway and he didn't "need" mafia to do it and i'm not sure why you say mafia must be on it when the majority of the wagon was town. You yourself even started to believe the claim, are you saying you are mafia too? None of your reasons point to me being mafia. If i'm a tunneled towny and see the person i call mafia all game promote the shittiest reads and checks with bad reasons amd then i see something to convince me I'm right what would i do in that situation? The exact same thing. Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler +Your reasons are silly and tunneled. I am clearly a miller or framed, stop judging by scenarios and judge by my actual play! On June 24 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote: it doesn't matter, i'll flip vt or miller and then you make sense of his claim later really don't think mafia would frame me in this case On June 24 2015 23:04 Holyflare wrote: like seriously this is mafia's thought process if you think i was framed and gb is town: "yeh gb is fake cop or whatever cz that mig check totally bad, who should we frame guys since he's not the cop? OH that guy that looks pretty towny and shit and will probably never ever get checked?????????" On June 25 2015 00:21 Holyflare wrote: If you believe mig is mafia and GB didn't get rb'd or killed because they thought he was fake claiming, then they would never ever in their life frame me since GB is the only one that would ever check me. On June 25 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: but this doesn't matter, they'll see my flip and go straight for you btw to everyone else, if he ever ever ever claims that i must be framed, do NOT believe that bull shit Clearly you were not framed. So the *only* reason you were redchecked is that you're a miller. Holyflare wrote: Gb said he checked lightningstrike but town read him on n1 I agree that this didn't make much sense. Holyflare wrote: Onegu could be mafia anyway and he didn't "need" mafia to do it and i'm not sure why you say mafia must be on it when the majority of the wagon was town. The only reason there was so many town people on that wagon was because VA outed himself. If VA didn't confirm that he went to bugs, I doubt very few town people would've actually switched to GB. I know I would never even have considered it if it wasn't for VA. There is *no way* that mig could've expected that "support" from VA. Hence he needed support from other mafioso to even have a shot. Otherwise he would've just let you die. I already showed you why mig wasn't in danger. ----- Everything else aside, you want me to take the 1/13 chance that you are the miller? That is a 8% chance. I'm not taking those odds. | ||
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On June 27 2015 08:59 Holyflare wrote: If i get lynched the game is over. It is quite simple. This is not a game about "chance". You see my play which isn't mafia aligned in the slightest and judge me on that. The fact of the matter is that I am town, mig didn't "need mafia support" since almost the entire wagon is town anyway and it looks like tmi that you are ignoring onegu and still pushing this false scenario when my reasoning is solid for why I am not mafia. It's pretty hard to get me mislynched isn't it? I will fight you till the ends of the earth. I've only ever been mislynched once for a reason. I'm not ignoring onegu in the slighest. You'll say that you're town no matter what alignment you are so that point is moot. The fact of the matter is that you have a redcheck on you. Forget all the scenarios, speculations and roles. Occam's razor my friend. Either way I've presented my stance. People will have to judge for themselves. I'm going to focus my energy on finding the rest of the scum. | ||
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On June 27 2015 09:08 VayneAuthority wrote: the only way holyflare lives this deep into the game is if im on the scum team, so you have to decide if you think im town or he is. What do you mean by this? | ||
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On June 27 2015 12:28 ShoCkeyy wrote: ##vote VayneAuthority Just got caught up with thread, your filter is just riddled with scum and you just gave yourself away. Thanks for making it easier! Eh, he's the jail keeper? | ||
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On June 27 2015 20:18 Holyflare wrote: If you can read my filter and tell me you are sticking with occam's razor because of the red check then you are definitely claiming mafia. I like you HF. More than the afk lurkers doing nothing. If it wasn't for the redcheck I'd almost definitely label you as town. I wouldn't be able to forgive myself though if I ignored the redcheck and you actually are mafia. However, we are still missing mafia. So if you, by some incredibly low chance, *are* town, then help us find the rest instead of defending your innocence. I'm sure people have enough material to make up their own mind about you at this point. | ||
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Like, does no one care about winning here? Silence is exactly what mafia wants. If you are town and you're lurking, you're not helping. We need to prove to each other that we're town by being active and consolidating our thoughts. If you keep lurking you're an easy target to lynch. Give me some mafia reads guys, let your thoughts out. If we don't do anything we're making it really easy for the mafia. | ||
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NHM. Damdred. Shockey, Onegu, This is how it shaked out: Nhm: + Show Spoiler + On June 19 2015 04:23 NydusHerMain wrote: Mainly Damdred, shockey, bf, onegu, ritoky as my main scum (This is not his only statement about these people, he mentioned multiple times that he scumread the ones below since day 1) Probably not mafia with Onegu. Scumread Onegu day 1. Probably not mafia with Shockey. Scumread Shockey day 1. Probably not mafia with Damdred. Scumread Damdred day1. Damdred: + Show Spoiler + Scumreads: -Fidei. -Mig. -Onegu -Shockey Honestly damdred is hard for me to read. He seems to be making a lot of right calls with regards to alignments, but I'm not sure how he does it(mafia?) When he does make a big post explaining something he does make sense. He tries to push the thread at times and pushes people, asks questions and airs his thoughts without fear. Does take a solid stance on who he likes and doesn't like. I like him a little bit better than onegu and shockey. Shockey: + Show Spoiler + Strange vote switching day1. Feels like he's all over the place. I can't trace a solid train of thought in his play. Scumreads: -LS -Ruxxar -Lohen(yama) Onegu: + Show Spoiler + Incredibly anti-town day 1. Complete tunnel on LS since day 1, even after greencheck. Scumreads: -LS -Ruxxar -HF After that, this is my ordered list of mafia suspects: Onegu Shockey Damdred Nydus Right now I'm leaning towards onegu + shockey. Thoughts? Comments? | ||
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On June 27 2015 22:29 LightningStrike wrote: I here Rux if you want to talk (I been mostly away because I thought we had a set lynch plan lol) if Shockeyy had at least read the thread he shouldn't even be voting VA like there is no way if he had read the thread and think VA is scum because VA claimed Jailkeeper and is not been counterclaimed so far. Also I just checked Shockeyy's games since he didn't play much he had posted more in this game than of all his previous games(That includes Withccraft III) so it might be alignment indicative. I will take a deeper look into the eys of both Town Shockeyy and and Scum Shockeyy to figure exactly what's the difference in his game play as both alignments. Ok good, but don't rely only on meta-reads. Try to look at his actions from this game as well and see if they make sense from a town perspective in general. | ||
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What specifically about Shockey don't you like? Could you give me a couple sentences to understand a bit how you're thinking? I want your own take on it. Besides shockey, who are you suspicious off? | ||
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On June 27 2015 23:14 Damdred wrote: Oh and you could of carried shot. Its all pretty preliminary. I'll try to,be,more concrete after work. Thanks dam. Your phone isn't doing you any favors with the spelling btw  | ||
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On June 27 2015 23:13 Damdred wrote: Oneg is oneg What does this mean? | ||
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On June 28 2015 01:19 Onegu wrote: So I am now thinking HF may actually be town and High chance that LS is scum here. That post where he says HF has to be scum is just so random. The one where he says he was framed because he is miller which means HF has to be scum. Like how does town think of that. That is just one more post that is TMI. TBF HF wasnt killed in GoT mafia until the night before 2v1 lylo. Yes he should be dead but its not impossible for him to be alive as town here. So I am going to go with Mig, LS, RuXxar, and X. So the green check on Ls is not valid because?.. | ||
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On June 28 2015 01:19 Onegu wrote: So I am now thinking HF may actually be town and High chance that LS is scum here. That post where he says HF has to be scum is just so random. The one where he says he was framed because he is miller which means HF has to be scum. Like how does town think of that. That is just one more post that is TMI. TBF HF wasnt killed in GoT mafia until the night before 2v1 lylo. Yes he should be dead but its not impossible for him to be alive as town here. So I am going to go with Mig, LS, RuXxar, and X. Let me get this straight onegu. Not only are you saying that the red check on HF was because he's a miller or framed, but you're *also* saying that the green check on LS was due to him being framed or being miller? I don't even... What kind of fantasy world is that? Do you know how absurd that is? I don't understand how anyone could even *begin* to think that is a sensible conclusion if they are town. For all the TMI accusations you're throwing about, you sure seem to know a lot. | ||
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Let's follow onegus story and see how ridiculous it is. First you said this day 1: On June 18 2015 23:40 Onegu wrote: I dont care if the claim is townie. Dont give 2 shits. LS needs to die so he learns a lesson for future games. I am still reading this huge ass thread... On June 18 2015 23:43 Onegu wrote: Dont give 2 shits once again. Dont care his alignment. I care about him stopping this. On June 18 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote: Also I will be honest I think LS is town. On June 19 2015 06:49 Onegu wrote: LS still needs to die. Dont worry I dont plan on being useless all game... On June 19 2015 23:04 Onegu wrote: again dont care if he is town either, want to lynch LS Note the red line. Yet somehow you couldn't let go of your idea of wanting to "policy lynch" LS, so after the greencheck on LS comes in you have to make up some other excuse to confirm your confirmation bias. "Oh right, he was framed or is a GF." On top of that you believe that HF is a miller or got framed. Why don't you just tell me the lottery numbers for next week too? Like, do you realize how seriously unlikely your scenarios are? I was going to vote for HF tomorrow. After this, I really want to vote for you instead. | ||
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He's just too far gone in a world that makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks. | ||
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On June 28 2015 04:13 Onegu wrote: It was LS checked N1 and HF N2 they werent checked on the same night. Why is my thoughts so off? LS could have been framed N1 and HF could have been framed N2. Or HF is miller. There are multiple things that could fuck with a cop this game. Yes, and you choose the most unlikely one just to make it fit into your world. | ||
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On June 28 2015 07:07 VayneAuthority wrote: alright so im most suspicious of damdred and onegu red check on holyflare so up to you guys to decide on that. I assume hes mafia just by virtue of being alive. Look for inconsistencies in people's reads from earlier in the game and press them for why they changed their reads, see what kind of BS people come with and that should lead you to the mafia. Assume im dead tonight, gl VA, who are the strongest players still alive? It could give a clue to who the mafia are since they're still alive. | ||
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I have no clue about the rest. I've only played 1 game with you damdred, and you were afk half the game. Geript claimed you were one of the strongest players in that game, but you really didn't do much that game. You know what, fuck it. I'll just estimate it myself. It'll only lead to a bad atmosphere if I start ranking people. Carry on then | ||
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On June 28 2015 07:07 VayneAuthority wrote: alright so im most suspicious of damdred and onegu red check on holyflare so up to you guys to decide on that. I assume hes mafia just by virtue of being alive. Look for inconsistencies in people's reads from earlier in the game and press them for why they changed their reads, see what kind of BS people come with and that should lead you to the mafia. Assume im dead tonight, gl What about damdred's play is making you suspicious? | ||
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On June 28 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote: Lol I am strong when I have time. But talk me through what you are thinking rux and why was who is strongest important? I sort of forgot about this, but VA brings up a good point. The longer the game goes while the strong players stay alive(through NK's) the more likely it is that they are mafia. In this game the NK's were: Night 1: KelsierSC, a Sherpa (Town Vanilla), has been nightkilled. Night 2: Breshke, a Sherpa (Town Vanilla), has been nightkilled. Night 2: ritoky, a Sherpa (Town Vanilla), has been nightkilled. Night 3: rsoultin, as Pasang Lhamu (Mason), has been nightkilled. This tells me nothing right now since I have no idea who these people are outside of this 1 game, and I only really got to see rsoultin play. I know that rsoultin is a strong player, so it makes sense that she was NK'd. For mafia the order of NK's is something along the line of : Blue roles -> People on the right track -> Strong players. For tonight it's probably not going to matter since most likely VA will die if he's a true blue. But looking at the strongest players left alive it would in some capacity make sense that the longer the game goes the more likely it is that the strongest players left alive are mafia. Mafia would rather end up with a bunch of uncertain, timid, wishywashy, non-reasoning bunch of people that are easy to manipulate(Not meaning to offend anyone here). From that point of view it might be worth looking into it just to keep all possibilities open and see if we can glean anything useful from it. | ||
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The only one on my radar right now is HF, while everyone else has just mostly been lurking/afk making it hard for me to judge them. | ||
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On June 28 2015 07:43 Damdred wrote: No that's not the correct play at all. Not in lylo- _- What is the correct play then damdred? | ||
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On June 28 2015 07:58 Damdred wrote: The correct play is to lynch the scummiest player. If you lynch hf do it for a real reason not just a red check as in a totally closed setup doesn't mean quite as much. For example why would scum team totally sacrifice mig for hf there? Idk what the point is except we go gb, mig then hf in that scenario. It looks much more likely atm that role cop gb drew Out vayne and we have a mislynch in hf incoming. Could you explain this sentence? I know that it's possible to be framed or miller, but still that's a pretty low chance. According to your logic I would be voting for Onegu / shockey. Most likely Onegu. Which wouldn't feel bad at all to me. I guess since there are 3 mafia left and we *have* to lynch correctly every day, we should go for the safest option first. If we get even 1 incorrectly we lose and the game is over. Then it's really up for discussion though what you would consider as the scummiest player. Can having a redcheck on you be considered scummy? I think it could be argued that it is, but it seems I'm pretty lonley in that view. | ||
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On June 28 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty sure hf will be around until 2 v 1 if we get to that point. I have to look through hf filter a bit to see if I see anything. But right now time is better spent getting thoughts out or questioning any inconsistencies you find What makes you sure HF will be around for so long? | ||
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This is the overview : ruXxar (2) : Damdred, Onegu Fidei (0) : Vayne (1) : Damdred, LightningStrike (1) : Onegu NydusHerMain (0) : Onegu (5) : Ruxxar, Damdred, Shockey, Vayne, Shockey Holyflare (4) : Ruxxar, Fidei, Damdred, Vayne Damdred (3) : Shockey, HF, Vayne Shockeyy (4) : Ruxxar, Damdred, Lightningstrike, Nydus From this we can see that Onegu, HF, Shockey and damdred are the top suspects. One interesting observation is how everyone has at least 1 scumread between those 4 except for onegu. Another observation is how Onegu and damdred are the only ones that have any suspects outside of those 4. I'm not really sure what to make of this list at the moment, but at least it's easier to see where people stand. | ||
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ruXxar (2) : Damdred, Onegu Fidei (0) : Vayne (1) : Damdred, LightningStrike (1) : Onegu NydusHerMain (0) : Onegu (4) : Ruxxar, Damdred, Shockey, Vayne Holyflare (4) : Ruxxar, Fidei, Damdred, Vayne Damdred (3) : Shockey, HF, Vayne Shockeyy (4) : Ruxxar, Damdred, Lightningstrike, Nydus | ||
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Right now I'm looking for extra information beyond that. Maybe it's useful, maybe it's not. But if I can even adjust the certainty of my vote by a few %, then it's useful to me. | ||
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On June 28 2015 09:05 Holyflare wrote: no you haven't you've just said i'm a red check and left it at that and based none of that on my play which will in the end lose the game On June 27 2015 20:42 ruXxar wrote: I like you HF. More than the afk lurkers doing nothing. If it wasn't for the redcheck I'd almost definitely label you as town. | ||
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On June 28 2015 09:16 Holyflare wrote: right so because you're sticking to an arbitrary red check you're ignoring the game play Correct. I've heard multiple times that you are *the* best scum player on TL. It's not hard for me to imagine the best scum player on the site shitting town rainbows everywhere. You call the red-check arbitrary, but you can't just erase the fact that it happened. I'll give you props for playing well no matter what alignment you are. I'm not blaming you for being a good player. I'll be more pissed at the person we end up lynching if he turns out to be town, and he just didn't bother to actually play the game. | ||
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On June 28 2015 09:45 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing. What about this game screams hf is the best scum player ever if he's scum. Having his team mate sacrifice himself,for a cop during the game,and getting himself lynched next. Super weird kills? It just doesn't look right for a hf scuk Sigh... the more everyone doubts the redcheck the less certain I become myself. If everyone has a different opinion than me, it's more likely that I'm in the wrong. You all have more experience than me, so maybe I'm reading the situation wrong. In the end it doesn't matter since we have to catch all 3 mafia anyway to win. I'll put HF away for a bit and try a different approach. I'll see if I can find any associations with mig now that he's flipped. | ||
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So let's imagine a world where HF is town. I already think onegu and shockey are scum. In this case by PoE the only remaining people I think could be scum is either you or nydus. | ||
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If you had to choose to lynch either HF or nydus right now. Who would you choose? | ||
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Looked through migs filter, nothing useful there either. The only thing I keep coming back to is migs claim and push on GB. Do you really think that mig acted alone damdred? | ||
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I can understand HF voting on GB as both town and mafia. Onegu and LS votes are the most suspect like damdred says. LS has a greencheck and I don't think he's mafia together with Onegu after the way they have been interacting this game. This only strengthens my already current belief in onegu being mafia. | ||
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On June 29 2015 04:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: At this point, I can say yes. It's very possible this late into the game especially with how both of them have been playing. I feel like both of them have no motive to actually help the town win. I don't see any evidence for them being mafia together. How do you explain Onegu tunneling LS all game? | ||
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On June 29 2015 05:17 LightningStrike wrote: Because Onegu is Onegu meaning he could do this shit regardless of his alignment. ??? This means nothing to me. | ||
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On June 29 2015 05:19 LightningStrike wrote: Also Ruxxar here's a thought I had and quoting and see your thoughts on it: Not sure how much I want to read into this. I'm registering that he's been scumreading you for a while now. | ||
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On June 29 2015 05:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: How do you explain both of them helping lynch GB off? That's not an answer to my question. | ||
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My preferred order of lynching : HF. Onegu. Shockey. Not much else to add at the moment. | ||
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I'll be back later this evening with my latest thoughts, reading through everything. | ||
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I'll respond to posts in order since day post. Stand by. | ||
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On June 29 2015 08:00 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm this is a interesting post by VA regarding VA: So it seem like a paradox about himself regarding HF last Day Phase regarding how long HF stays alive if he(VA) was scum. He then asked us to decided if he(VA) is town or if HF is town. Just something interesting I had found while filter diving him. I asked him earlier to explain this earlier. He didn't. Presumably what he means is that he likes to keep HF around as scum when HF is town. I can't really tell. It doesn't mean much without VA explaining what he means. | ||
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On June 29 2015 09:38 Holyflare wrote: ruxxar is a weird one that i can't quite determine but i think he's probably scum for all of the weird logic he's been using, it's kind of weird stuff like oh i think you're towny but red check totally impossible to get past! and then changing his stance when he was told to by damdred??? struck me as super weird How is my logic weird? I'm trying to win the game, not hand out brownie points for appearing towny. Yes it sucks that town people look scummier than you, doesn't mean they are scum, just means you are better at appearing towny than they are. Also I did not change my stance on you. | ||
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On June 29 2015 10:19 NydusHerMain wrote: Here's why I want to lynch you regardless of my town read on you. Rs wanted to kill the fuck out of you next after mig and there was no reason for her to die over VA who could've potentially gotten a save on RS. If RS were alive today, she'd be gunning for you. If she was alive yesterday, she would be making a huge case against you. If I were scum and you're town, I nk in the order of VA and then Fidei, ride RS like a parapalegic in a wheelchair and try to get a ML on you. Towny as fuck or not, she was going after you and scum has no reason to kill her if she's pushing a town HF. Why shouldn't RS die over VA? VA hadn't outed the fact that he was jailkeeper at that point. I really like your point about keeping RS alive if HF is town and let her get the ML going. | ||
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On June 30 2015 06:33 ruXxar wrote: Why shouldn't RS die over VA? VA hadn't outed the fact that he was jailkeeper at that point. I really like your point about keeping RS alive if HF is town and let her get the ML going. Scratch my first paragraph. I remembered wrong. | ||
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On June 29 2015 10:38 Holyflare wrote: like i don't have to tell you how retarded it is to not be on a unanimous target regardless of what you think today Being on a unanimous target is a sign that we're voting off town or mafia bussing their teammate, with the first being more likely than the second. I don't like the feeling I get when a lynch goes through unanimously, unless there it's very clear that a target is going to be lynched. Which is why it's also important to look for the people that are pushing in opposite directions and discern their motivation for doing so. (maybe they are trying to save their mafia buddy from the train ?). | ||
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On June 29 2015 10:44 Holyflare wrote: and I keep saying I won't get mislynched because I will simply not allow it to happen, I've only ever been mislynched once in 30 town games and it's quite apparent why when i'm pretty much universally town read despite having a red check on me This only means that you have a lot of experience playing mafia and know what it means to play towny. When you play up against people playing their 1st or second game, there's no wonder you'll appear more towny than them. This doesn't prove your innocence. | ||
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On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote: What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now. I also agree with nydus point here. Right now the absolutely easiest mislynch is Onegu(imo). If I was mafia and onegu was town I would make her my #1 target right now and push her very hard. This is sort of a dilemma because he actually does appear really scummy and I don't agree with the way he plays or the logic he uses. However, since no one else seems to be shitting down onegu's throat, it makes me more inclined to believe he's actually mafia(why wouldn't mafia be all over a target that is such an easy mislynch?!) In my last game I got fooled by the "too obvious to be scum" idea in that I felt a certain person made such obviously scummy moves that no one would make it so obvious that they are scum. It burned me in the end when it turned out the person was scum all along and I hard defended him as town. I learned from this and at this point "too scummy to be scum" is not a valid excuse for me to not push someone. | ||
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On June 29 2015 11:04 Onegu wrote: Its in my filter. He knows there is a framer. He knows you were framed, he claimed being red saying that you are red. "Knows" is a pretty serious word to use here. Nowhere in LS filter does he say that he knows anything. I don't understand where you keep getting these ideas from. He didn't claim being red, he made up a scenario and explained what it entailed.... Here is the actual quote for those who missed it : | ||
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On June 30 2015 04:04 Damdred wrote: And at the same time, we have to ask ourselves why would mig go out of his way to claim get gb lynched and lynch himself. There are only two answers at this point 1) Set up a mislynch on HF the next following day where a red check screwed up town and lost the game. 2) HF is the RB and is needed to block vayne so that the kill isn't blocked the next night. If we believe option 2 then rux is more than likely not mafia at all. Option one he still could be. #1 I don't agree. There's no way mig could've known that VA would out himself. Without the claim by VA, I'm fairly certain it would've failed. Why not just let HF die and get +1 townkill before he died himself? Seems like a really dumb move to me. #2 is possibility but it's sort of out there... what made you think of this? | ||
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On June 30 2015 05:40 NydusHerMain wrote: Actually I think it has the chance to prove something. 1) if they were scum reading bugs, probably means that they thought it was a roleblocker meaning bugs would be mafia since if it was a town roleblocker they were hunting for, bugs is scum that carried kp 2) if they were town reading bugs, NAI because they could hunt for medic if bugs is saved or bugs could be roleblocked as mafia and still look for a jailer thinking that jailer will believe he is town Can you ELI 5? I have a hard time understand all the role stuff :<. | ||
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On June 30 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote: You've made several posts like these where you use extra knowledge that doesn't quite make sense. You declare that mafia must be on the wagon with Mig because mafia must need to support him. IF YOU BELIEVE THIS SCENARIO then it's almost IMPOSSIBLE for me to be mafia unless you think the mafia plan was to destroy 2 of their team. It's been laid out several times. You ignore all of this logic. You declare wild statements that mafia needed to do something but then never follow it up with what happens if i'm town or any other situation that could possibly happen. My logic has been really simple to follow and I've outlined it many times how I've been thinking, but I'll repeat it again since it seems I'm unable to make myself clear. This is how my world aligns. If you don't agree that's fine, but this is how I was thinking: - You were getting lynched. - Mig should be content with letting you die. - Despite this mig fake claims against GB. - IMO this is a stupid move, unless he has some confidence that he can take GB down. - To take GB down he needs supportive votes or else he's just getting himself lynched. (VA claim notwithstanding). And how would this make you look more scummy? You already had a redcheck on you, you already were fighting for your life, and it's very understandable that a town person would do so in this position. He did not put you in any more danger by claiming. The only thing people have against you really is the redcheck. Not the fact that you voted for GB! On June 30 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote: You ignore onegu being mafia (yes yes you scum read him at other points) but use the logic that mafia must have needed to support him to paint ME as mafia and NOT Onegu. It doesn't make a single bit of sense. I really am not ignoring onegu, but it's really hard to argue with someone that doesn't reply or come up with new thoughts. How do you have a discussion with someone that is afk all game? It's hard. Like, why doesn't he come here and try to refute the points made against him? It's frustrating because it only makes me scumread him more when he doesn't even defend himself. It's exactly the same situation I had in my newbie game which I just played prior. I really wanted to pressure a guy because he appeared scummy to everyone but me who thought he was "shitty town". Turns out he was scum that was just afk half the time and gave nonsensical answers the rest of the time. He acted exactly the same way that onegu is acting now, and I still thought it was "shitty town". If onegu doesn't step it up soon and contribute to the discussion I can't read it any other way than confirmation of him being mafia. This goes for everyone that's lurking btw. On June 30 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote: I don't believe that a person that wants to win the game like you claim would stick to the red check when it's been proven that: a) it doesn't make any sense for me to be mafia with Mig unless he decided to be a dick and kill his team mate for no reason b) it's been said a million times by people more experienced with my play that i'm town c) you've even suggested you would do other things than flat out believe i was mafia from a red check and have failed to do so: a) Don't see how mig's claim hurts you at all, see above. b) Okay, so I'm not allowed to have my own opinion(especially when those people could be mafia). c) I am looking into other people, doesn't mean I've suddenly dropped you off the radar, it's just that people have such short filters it's like almost nothing to go on aside from what we've already discussed. We do have to find the rest of the mafia after all or we'll lose anyway. | ||
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On June 30 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote: -flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format 1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim. 2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY. Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check. Here's how I see it: This is the order of events: - GB claims DT. - GB claims greencheck on mig. - Night 1 ends. - GB does *not* die. This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake. This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia. The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first. Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim. ##Vote mig What changed from here to now? Lot's of evidence to suggest i'm town but now you need my mislynch because the poe is running out. PoE is not running out, you're just the more likely scum in my eyes. And the fact is that it's always better to lynch the more likely scumtarget first, because if it flips red you can look into associations from their play to find other likely scum targets. So what did we gather from Migs filter now that he's flipped red? Well, not very much. I looked through his filter and I really couldn't find any strong connections. Maybe I didn't look good enough, maybe I don't have enough experience to pick up on mafia ways of playing. Doesn't mean that it's not there. Nydus pointed out some things that may be worth looking into. This is what sucks when you flip red lurkers. They say so little that you can't really draw many conclusions from their filter. However, I'm not content just sitting on you until the day runs out, I want to find the other scum too. I can't rest thinking, oh yeah I found 1 scum, let's figure the rest out tomorrow. That's a terrible way to play when we're in such a tight situation. So if you want to prove your innocence, once again, help us find scum. That's the best way you can convince me at least that you're town. My vote is parked on you atm, but it may change as the day unfolds. | ||
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On June 30 2015 06:45 NydusHerMain wrote: If we're not voting unanimously and even one town votes on another town, mafia can swap all their votes at eod and we lose. That's why we need to pick one target Hmm.. didn't think of that. good point. | ||
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On June 30 2015 06:46 NydusHerMain wrote: At the end of the day, it's on Fidei to pick the final lynch because he's guaranteed town I strongly disagree. Just because he's confirmed town doesn't mean that his reads are *better* than our reads. We can be sure that his reads are *honest*, but not that they are necessarily better than everyone else's. They could be just as wrong as the reads that every other town person has had so far. That's why we've lynched so many town people up to this point. | ||
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On June 30 2015 07:36 Damdred wrote: I think this is a weird way to phrase what you actually mean about onegu? It looks weird to me at least. And whats your conclusion on all of this? My conclusion is that it makes looks onegu look even worse than no one's trying really hard to get him lynched. Or maybe the mafia is aware of this fact(not unlikely), and are not pushing onegu on purpose. Too much WIFOM if I follow that line of thought, so I rather not. Either way it doesn't excuse the fact that onegu looks scummy as hell to me. | ||
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On June 30 2015 07:50 Damdred wrote: Ummmm I don't think you understand how #1 works. It doesn't revolve Vayne outing himself at all, however Scum knows that someone interacted in some way with Bugs night one. That's an added bonus. And honestly, Mig was outed as mafia anyway in gbs world 100% anyway. Theres no way he should of lived through the night as the cop just pure disbelief of the claim and no reason to let him get another check anyway. And actually his claim was perfect to draw out the rb or jk (even though they knew it was a jk anyway). And #2 happens all the time. Still not sure I understand #1. You're saying mig claimed without thinking he could take down GB because: - Mig gets lynched, flips red. - GB survives the night(saved by JK) and everyone believes GB is now DT. - Next day GB pushes HF and HF flips miller / framed. Is this correct? | ||
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On June 30 2015 09:20 Holyflare wrote: The post you criticised me in had that exact line in it -.- -.- -.- I'm really finding it hard to believe you're actually thinking logically about this game at all when you nitpick individual points and try and turn it into me being scummy instead. LOL, not sure how I missed that. Really sorry HF  .You're right that I'm a little too stuck up on you though. There's really not much more to gain by reiterating that you have a red-check on you, and we've pretty much discussed most of the scenarios anyway. Help me find other scum will you? | ||
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He went from LS to Boxerfred to GB to boxerfred. And he switched to GB simply because he was being ignored? I'll make a mini-case about it in a bit. I also find his posting lackluster in general, and he's been going under the radar quite a bit. | ||
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On June 30 2015 09:18 Holyflare wrote: GB makes a play that reveals that Mig is mafia. Mig would have definitely died that day instead of me, especially when the 2 masons were on him and pushing for his lynch over mine. If he didn't die that day and I died (free mislynch for mafia) mafia then need to kill the cop/the jk/2 masons and whatever else there is there. Look at this from a mafia perspective. Mig does not counter claim and I get mislynched. Mig would die if I flipped miller the next day without a doubt in my mind. 1 mislynch, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 4 blue roles with 1kp each night, don't know who jk is either Mig does not counter claim and he dies. Mig dies, GB needs to be killed at night but might get saved, I get mislynched the next day, mafia don't have a role cop to find out who the jker is. 1 POTENTIAL mislynch, mig 100% dies, need to kill 4 blue roles and they don't know who jker is If mig counter claims, GB dies - 3 blues needed to be killed with 1kp each night - Mig 100% dies the next day, cop is revealed as true and holyflare gets lynched because of it as ANOTHER mislynch 2 mislynches, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 3 blue roles with 1kp each night, mybe jk claims and they know who it is If both me and mig are mafia and he cc's gb 1 POTENTIAL mislynch, BOTH ME AND MIG DIE when gb flips cop since mig is revealed from trap and i have been red checked, 3 more blues to find and potentially a jker outs or doesn't out 1 POTENTIAL mislynch, -2 mafia, potentially find out who jker is if they out themselves or use role cop 1 mislynch, -1 mafia, gb confirmed cop and maybe doesn't die and they need to medic dodge +1 confirmed 1 POTENTIAL mislynch 2 mislynches, -1 mafia, only 3 blues to kill and jker found which one do you think mafia takes? the one where they kill 2 of their team mates for 1 potential mislynch play on gb or the one where they get 2 mislynches in both me and gb and perhaps out the jker? I think it's quite obvious I would not allow the shit play to happen 10/10 times if I was mafia because it's fucking dumb When you put it like this it sort of makes sense. Hmm hmm hmm hmm.... .... ... | ||
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Actually it's not even that. This game is just boring if people can't be arsed to participate. Like, come on. It's almost like I want to town read people at this point just by being active since really, what's the point in playing if no one cares to give any effort. The core fundamental of the game relies on communication and interaction, and when people aren't even committed to that it's like.. What's the point anymore. At some point you just stop giving any shits when you see that people don't care anymore. I rather play a fun and action packed game where I lose, rather than a game full of Lurkers where I win in the end. There's no satisfaction in that. /endrant | ||
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So if you think my post is fake that's just fine. Right now I don't care anymore. I'm just going to spice things up to make the game more interesting for myself. | ||
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I'm parking my vote on scummy lurkers until they show up and defend themselves. Either play the game or get lynched. ##vote onegu | ||
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I lean slightly more towards onegu for total lack of rational thought process. Like he makes some weird ass statements I don't understand at all. Like saying you have TMI. Saying you claimed red. Saying he voted on gb because he wanted to consolidate. Tunneling you all game for no fucking reason, just because he has a personal vendetta against you? Then when you are actually green checked he makes up hilariously unlikely scenarios to fit his world. Not one solid read out of that guy and afk all game? Fuck that, I'm done. | ||
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I need to sleep and calm down a bit. Good night. | ||
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On June 30 2015 13:18 NydusHerMain wrote: So we know for a fact that bugs was jailed on n1. If bugs is mafia, and his KP was roleblocked, mafia will be looking for a roleblocker to kill the next night. So, they will be specifically looking for people who thinks bugs is mafia because they think that the roleblocker roleblocked him because they thought he was scummy. This means that if the night kills are people who were specifically reading bugs scummy before they died, especially more on day 2 than day 1 since they'd have confirmation that roleblocking bugs resulted in reduction in kp, it makes bugs more likely to be mafia. If bugs was actually saved, then mafia doesn't know that bugs was jailed, but could also think he was medic saved so mafia night kills will be specifically hunting for someone who town reads bugs or tries to avoid him like the plague (readswise) because that would be looking for someone who thinks that they got a confirmed town. However, if bugs is mafia and his kp got blocked, they might also think that it was a jailer and consequently, could also hunt for someone who town reads bugs because they might think that it's a jailer who could think that bugs was saved. Basically, if the people who died were scum reading bugs, he's more likely to be scum, if the people who died were town reading bugs, it doesn't really mean anything but slightly leans him towards town because it's riskier for mafia to kill people town reading him even if it's a role kill. Thank you for the explanation | ||
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You show 0 interest in wanting to solve the game, only show up to throw out one liners and don't even bother reading the thread. On June 30 2015 13:52 Onegu wrote: Like why me over Shockky? Like he is faking anger at this point to get a mislynch in lylo What is there to fake? Your play is honestly pissing me off. You're shitting on everyone elses time when you decide not to play the game. Did you sign up just to stay afk until the end? You don't even read the thread And you didn't even read the whole quote here where I even explained WHY I'm voting for you. I want to vote you because you're playing like scum, and at this point your whole attitude towards the game is terrible. Like, just read the posts I made against you and respond to what I'm actually saying. Explain your actions in a logical manner that makes your line of thought clear to everyone. On June 30 2015 15:38 Onegu wrote: Yeah and I voted with my tunneled mafia read you in Boring. So I have found the scum team. RuXxar, Shockky, Damdred. I think I get lynched now though for dropping my LS scum read... Suddenly you're accusing damdred out of thin air for what? He made 1 comment about you? You're so defensive about getting accused and unwilling to actually defend yourself with logical arguments. Instead resorting to OMGUS and making up wild scenarios that fit your world where LS is scum. You don't even bother to show up if you're not in danger. It's not hard to substantiate your claims if you actually have a REASON for doing so. How do you expect me to ever trust you as town when you give me NOTHING to work with. On June 30 2015 15:42 Onegu wrote: ruXxar because all game he has been attempting to make players look worse than they actually are, and now wanting to PLynch me in Lylo after calling me the easiest mislynch. Trying to make people look worse? You said this right after I joined the game. Please explain how I tried to make people look worse? At least I'm fucking trying to play the game and do shit, unlike you. And yeah I want to lynch you right now and if you actually READ the thread and what I've said about you, you wouldn't have a problem understanding WHY I'm voting for you. And if you still don't understand, then FUCKING ASK?!!!! How hard is that?!!!! Instead you show up with your bs "Onegu rule rekt" crap and 0 reasons for anything. Yeah, I'm not making the same mistake as my last game. I want you dead. | ||
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Vote switching day 1 + Show Spoiler + Ok, so this makes no sense at all to me: Shockey is pushing LS early day 1 due to his blue claim. Suddenly he wants to lynch rsoultin, but isn't scumreading rsoultin. On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. Then he makes his list post, notice the people not on it: On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote: I see I have been ninjaed. Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died. The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically. GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA. What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. His next post is this: On June 19 2015 02:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: BF's is fucking weird, I'll admit that. He keeps saying he'll be back, he's going to give reads, but nothing comes out other than attacking Holyflare, but it's not enough to make me change my mind on my LS push. GB is still null for me, still hasn't read my filter and given me a response, if it keeps going ignored, he's just going to keep dropping into my scum lean. Followed up by these 2: On June 19 2015 05:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: GB can you stop completely ignoring my questions and stop ignoring the read I asked to do of me? And don't tell me it's because I have a small filter (wtf kind of logic is that). Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you? On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens. ##unvote ##vote GlowingBear So instead of actually pursuing the scumreads on his list. He ended up voting on GB for what? Being ignored? But wait, we're not done yet: On a whim, he suddenly switches to Boxerfred! Why? On June 19 2015 06:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright fine, let's see how this goes. ##unvote ##vote Boxerfred So wait, why exactly did you switch to BF? Nowhere do you mention these reasons before the flip. It's easy to make up facts after hand to support your actions. On June 19 2015 09:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: Sorry guys, was driving/eating dinner, going to catch up. I saw BF flipped town. So brings me back to this: You bitch about me switching to GB, then now bitch about me switching off, which one did you want? I switched to GB due to reasons mentioned. I would of stayed there, but BF's filter was scummy too. BF disappears before vote ended while GB kept defending himself, which made me second guess the vote and I switched to BF. So wait, the reason you ACTUALLY switched to BF was because you believed in your "scumread" GB's reasons? On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?" I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. More on his reason for vote switching day 1: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2015 00:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: 1) I associated his way of playing the game which is basing it on the biggest filter - didn't work out too well On June 21 2015 00:58 ShoCkeyy wrote: Seems like an easy way to throw away responsibility for your voting.No, I never said I didn't think he was mafia when I vote switched. I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to meta. He himself claims that he doesn't like lynching the biggest filters on D1. So I tried what he normally does and it didn't work out well... From the adamant way you didn't believe that the longest filter meant anything, I don't see why you would actually use that reason for switching your vote. On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread On June 17 2015 23:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: You call that spam, but people say "I don't like shockeyy's activity". Well that's why my activity sucks in every game I play. Then you call that spam? But fail to look at people like rsoul, who already have 7+ pages of filter and most of it is crap. To me that seems like they're trying to hide their mistakes with constant posting. Just read the fight between her and wbg. She completely ignores him until the lynch train happened. It just seems odd. On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. On June 18 2015 13:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: This is why you have the biggest filter in the game. You just spam bullshit. The actual reason for voting GB: + Show Spoiler + Oh, so it was not because you were being ignored? Okay... On June 21 2015 06:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: When I voted for you which was the reason for me coming back 10mins before vote ended to change my vote. I wanted to see how you handled the pressure vs how Boxerfred did, boxer didn't come back and I gave you the benefit of the doubt due to D1 big filter that you go by, he also had scummier posts in my eyes. His vote switching day 1 seems all over place. He doesn't stick to 1 story and tries to push the blame onto GB by saying he followed GB's "stupid idea" of not voting for the longest filter. Besides, you didn't even believe in that argument for all of day 1?! How can you come back after the vote and claim that you actually believed in it. Every time you get asked about it, you change your story. I can't see a clear line of thinking from A to B to C. It's such a defensive and "cover all my bases" stance, that It strengthens my scumread on shockey. And here's the best part, I almost can't believe this: On June 25 2015 11:57 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm sorry GB, I help save you day 1 - but business called for day 3 :\ Next game! On June 25 2015 20:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: I was being literal when I said business called. I was in a full day meeting which killed any time I had to actually post anything and will do the same today. This will be my last and final post until the weekend when I actually have time to read, but at this point, you guys are just terrible. If it wasn't for me day 1 lynched our DT would of been dead, the day I can't be around to help defend our DT you noobs go and lynch him. Yeah.. no. I want this guy dead too. | ||
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote: Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end. Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play. I can't buy this excuse. Onegu is playing EXACTLY like Sulfurus(a scum in my last game). That was my newbie game(first game) and it was Sulfurus second game I think. Well turned out people actually went and read Sulfurus meta from his first game. And he played EXACTLY the same way in both games. Guess what, in the first game he was actually town, so it only strengthened my belief in him being "shitty town". But you know what, that was his plan all along. He was emulating his town meta to throw people off. I bought into it like the fool I was. I'm not going to base my reads on meta. I'm going to base it on what they do in the game. And in this game, onegu is playing like scum. | ||
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote: Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end. Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play. At this point, I just want to see him make a defence of himself that actually makes me believe he is town. If he truly is town, he needs to light a fire under his ass and start explaining. | ||
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote: Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end. Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play. Tell me your thoughts on how you think we should approach this fidei. | ||
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On June 30 2015 23:19 Fidei86 wrote: @Ruxx I say we lynch HF, then Damdred, and then whoever's left can decide whether or not the last lynch is Shockkey or Onegu. I'll be long dead by that point anyway. Now that you mention it, damdred does seem to be deflecting off HF a bit. But he does bring up a good point in that we do need to find the rest of the mafia as well. I'm still torn on damdred. I tried lynching HF, but apparently people aren't willing to vote for him. I already presented all the arguments I can about scenarios and whatnot, so I don't have anything more to contribute on that front. I'd be happy with either a HF, Onegu or Shockey lynch today. | ||
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On June 30 2015 23:56 ShoCkeyy wrote: But you know I why don't think your mafia? Cause of this: I'm not going to keep defending myself when I know I'm town and if I get mislynched it's game over. I rather continue looking for scum and put out better thoughts, which I have been doing - better than our current lurkers, cough onegu cough. You don't think I'm mafia because of this? What if I was the shot carrier that got JK'd? That's not conclusive evidence that I'm town. | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: Also you need to realize, if I was mafia, why would I save GB day one if I was mafia? He was able to figure out that Mig was mafia for day 4 lynch? Like please use logic. GB even knew I was town and that's cause we've played three games in a row already, he obviously knows my meta already - where LS keeps trying to push my lynch with no reasons behind it and also voted for GB even though Rsoul said not to. LS even says he can't figure out my meta, but it's obvious that I'm town. Now let's look at Onegu who pushed LS up until Day 4. He's obviously scum, he's pointing out obvious town is the scum team, like what kind of shit is that? I don't believe for one second that you saved GB because you believed he was town. Like, you only switched your vote when people actually called you out for voting on him. And you give like 3 different reasons for switching your votes. Some of them you didn't even believe in, you just went along with them because "you wanted to try it out". Then you shift the blame away from yourself because hey "It was GB's stupid idea, not mine!" And then you have the gall to show up and lecture us because you "saved" GB, as if you were fighting for his innocence day 1? Give me a break. You're just trying to make yourself look good by taking credit in retrospect. | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:36 ShoCkeyy wrote: I actually believed GB was more town than Boxerfred at that moment, what's the problem? I helped save our DT and you're trying to call me out as scum because of it? Like seriously? And I wasn't fighting for it day 1, I actually contributed to reasons why he could be scum, but he helped me make the decision much easier when he continuously defended himself and I took into consideration his POV of the biggest filter. Multiple reasons helped me decide why not to lynch GB, if you're not happy with that, then I don't know what else to tell you. "More town than" does not equal "town". Right now I think you are more town than onegu by a slight hair of margin. Doesn't mean that I think you're town. You would've been happy to lynch either of them, and it was quite apparent by the way you were switching votes. And why did you take into consideration his biggest filter argument when you actively argued that biggest filter doesn't mean anything? | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:54 Fidei86 wrote: Or they're misguided town and mafia? And I use the term 'misguided' loosely, since obviously if you are mafia you have played very well indeed to get this many people to misread you :-) I'm not moving my vote, and I urge everyone else to please do your duty and vote on the red check. How confident are you in this fidei? Because I'm also pretty confident in lynching onegu or shockey today. | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:59 Fidei86 wrote: it's not WIFOM, it's a matter of simple statistics. You are far more likely to be mafia, on a percentage basis, than you are to be either the miller or framed. We obviously don't even know if there is a miller or a framer, let alone have anything to suggest it might be you who is unlucky enough to be caught by one of them. This is exactly the argument that I brought up earlier, but people don't seem to think that statistics is worth anything. | ||
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It doesn't erase the fact that you have a red-check on you. I'm probably never going to get past that. However, as has been said, it's better to lynch the scummier targets first. And after delving more into onegu and shockey they have soared up as scummier targets in my mind. | ||
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No interest in solving the game after we've requested multiple times that town should not stay silent if they do want to win. In onegu I see a mess of logic that goes nowhere, it's like he's lost out on the prairies somewhere. Doesn't even read the thread or seem to comprehend where things are going. In shockey I see wishy washyness, little activity, little will to solve the game, and statements that seem altered in posterity to make him look better. Both of them seem super content in letting us dance our little dance of "who's mafia" without contributing and ounce unless they are in danger when they show up with their one liners, strawman defenses and whacky theories. | ||
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On July 01 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote: so all logic and play dictates that i'm town and there have been multiple games where millers have been checked by cops and they don't get voted off or called mafia because of it but in this one game it's ok to forgo everything you think and follow it? is that what you're really saying to me? Listen, this is only my second game play mafia on TL. I don't have this vast meta library of games to draw experience from in how likely or unlikely a miller is. All I did was look at the 1st page, see the potential list roles, look at how many people are in the game, and determined that it by some arbitrary(yes) math and assumptions is a very low chance that the red check on you is false. By your own words you don't believe that you were framed. So the only chance is that you're miller. However, this does not mean that all hope is lost for you, it just stacks it heavily in your favor. Right now my scum list is in order : Onegu Shockey You This is momentary. It does not mean you are stuck on that list until the end of time. It means you are there until I find a 3rd person that by some arbitrary measure of my own would qualify as a more likely mafia than your red-check attributes to you. At the moment I haven't found that person yet. What we have to face though, is that we HAVE to lynch scum today. I don't think people seem to realize the consequences of that just yet. Which is WHY i went through the effort of actually looking through Onegu's play, looking through Shockey's play and have determined that they are BETTER lynches than you today. | ||
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So you see how I can't just go on my own and vote for my preferred scum. | ||
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On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot. I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster. I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum. Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself? | ||
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On July 01 2015 02:12 LightningStrike wrote: I not really town reading I was just saying what I remember based both reputation and past games I had played with him. And maybe he's using this tactic again to make you think he's town? I mean, if you are mafia, what are the first thing you will try to do? You will try to play the same was as you did when you were town. So people will think, oh he played this way when he was town, now he's playing the same way == he must be town!. This is like the most basic way and easiest trick for mafia to look like town, and is why I don't like using meta for things like this. You can't just say "Oh he played terrible in this other game, it's fine that he's playing terrible here too!". NO It's not fine to play terrible here even if you played terrible as town in another game. You need to step up and do your best. If you're not trying to help town win then I don't care about how towny your meta makes you look. You're playing anti-town and you're not helping us win! | ||
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Seems like that's not going to happen with current thread sentiment. I'm going out a little bit. I'll be back in a couple hours. If onegu hasn't showed up by then and people still want to lynch shockey I'll join in. | ||
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On July 01 2015 03:02 Onegu wrote: Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today? Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together. @RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void. Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town. Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game. Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play. I need you to actually do something at all, because basically this is ALL that you gameplan encompasses: 1. Be afk. 2. Show up when people accuse you. 3. Be afk. 4. Show up to vote. 5. Be afk. And you showing up here and saying "I'm here" doesnt mean that you are ACTUALLY doing something! Yes I analyzed you as I came into the game and your filter looked like shit. Guess what? It still does. You're going to call me scum for scumreading you? Really? You even KNEW that you looked like scum, so why do you hold that against me? On June 21 2015 12:13 Onegu wrote: This is so bad. Like obv people who never played with me will see me as anti town and you know it. So why ask someone who never played with me their thoughts? You don't WANT people to read you because you know you're going to look like scum? What kind of mentality is that? It's like you're shying away from contact with the outside world, but as soon as someone even hints at you being scum you come out claws first and start an OMGUS train against them. You are even aware, as you make abundantly clear in the above post, that your play looks like scum. So tell me this: If you are town, playing in a game trying to win. Why the hell would you continue to play in a way that makes people perceive you as scum?! 1: It gives you no credit. Your opinion isn't going to be worth anything if people don't think you're town. 2: It makes it easy for scum to mislynch you. 3: You make it incredibly hard for town when you get down to a LYLO situation and you've provided basically 0 content that supports you as town. Do you know how incredibly stupid way of playing that is? If you are town, and you are playing like this in all your town games, I don't even want to play with you anymore, because honestly you're making the game shit for everyone else trying to invest time into it and actively trying to the best of their ability to win. YOU DONT WIN AS TOWN BY BEING AFK ALL GAME AND NOT CONTRIBUTING. And now you show up saying "I'm here" and throw out 1 liners as if that's somehow supposed to be self evident. Like we have some sort of telepathic connection into your brain that will automatically explain the stances you take?! How about you spend more than 2 minutes to read an accusation against you and actually flesh out your posts with some arguments and logical reasoning. Bring your own sentiment to the thread, bring new thoughts, ideas, new suspects. You don't show any sign of actually thinking about the game outside of the 2 minutes you spend looking for posts made against you and your OMGUS attack against people. You say you're going to play? How about you give some REASONING behind what you say instead of throwing out crap like this: Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. ..No explanation I have dropped my LS read. ..No explanation ...No explanation. No I thought Mig was tracker with check on scum GB ...No further explanation. You know how badly I want to lynch you right now? You're lucky. You should've never made it this far. But I'm done with you unless you actually show up and play. It looks like you might make it one more day, I hope you enjoy it. | ||
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I'm coming for you next though. I'm pretty confident we are hitting scum tonight either way ##Vote shockey Afk dinner. | ||
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I prefer making my final stance a little while before end of day so that I know I'm certain in my choice. | ||
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On July 01 2015 07:18 Fidei86 wrote: All seriousness though, who first suggested Shockkey? First as in when? And what does this matter? | ||
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On July 01 2015 07:30 Fidei86 wrote: I'm only going to play 13 man games from now on. This game was way too hard for a casual at the start. I know how you feel. I replaced into this after a 13 man newbie game and I had to read 120 pages just to get started -_- | ||
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Everyone is talking about bugs and I feel like I'm an intruder taking his place, getting judged for things I didn't do :s | ||
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HF and onegu are not scum together. Shockey and onegu could be scum together. I see 2 possible worlds: Onegu, damdred, shockey. HF, damdred, shockey. I think ls is town. I think nydus is most likely town. I'll investigate more tomorrow. Good night | ||
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On July 01 2015 13:46 Damdred wrote: Explain why I'm scum specifically Why damdred is scum in a mig/hf/damdred/shockey world: Day 1 town read list out of thin air: + Show Spoiler + Almost all his reads are based on meta. Seems like an easy way to get cred for townreading town people and putting himself out of harms way. On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote: Town: Ls Nhm Rsoul Damdred Ritoky Town leans Kel Gb Breske This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls On June 17 2015 09:27 Damdred wrote: Actually meta is a huge part of my game in the early goings as well as tone etc., Rsoultin is because she's my waifu that's acting like a pita. I've answered about ls I believe Kel is his attitude and his wanting to dig into people. Gb because of the wanting to give reads and get people involved. Rit is pure meta and I'd rather never explain You are meta+content at this point compared to last game. Distancing himself from MiG: + Show Spoiler + By doing this early, he's able to get cred for himself later when mig is incriminated. Who would believe that damdred and mig are mafia together when he attacked mig day 1? It's a good mafia play. Mig was no way in danger of getting lynched on day 1 or 2. On June 22 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote: Mig is mafia and we should lynch Mig On June 22 2015 05:43 Damdred wrote: This is frustrating all my connections are back working and nobody is here to talk to. GB is more than likely never scum in this scenario. If he is totally changed his meta and deserves a big pat on the back. However Mig, asks questions that lead no where. Writes a good bit about certain things but doesn't really go along with it, wastes vote without pushing anything today. Is pretty inactive (pot meet kettle) is totally on the side line not getting involved. Conclussions are rather lacking and following some of thread sentiment. On June 22 2015 05:45 Damdred wrote: Yamato is a difficult case, his activity is a bit concerning but some of his posts and reads feel genuine and seem to have a real flow and thought pattern to them. I wouldn't fight super hard against his lynch, but I think i'd rather a mig lynch. On June 22 2015 05:49 Damdred wrote: No need to get defensive I said it was uncanny and made me chuckle. And yes actually your filter is very blendy without really pushing anything, you are in the side lines not really sticking your neck out going against thread sentiment. Even here when you complain about me being at eod you make it into some form of scathing defense instead of trying to draw some form of conclusion from. Obviously if I could of been here I would have as its not alignment indicative. Then, after mig CC's(as he was pretty much going to die sooner or later at this point) and GB gets lynched, Damdred is able to cash in on his town cred: On June 25 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote: That's not the point. There are a few things to consider, there is 100% information and then there is non perfect information. You have perfect information on yourself, in the world you want us to believe the one where you are a tracker. In this world you tracked Vayne to Bugs n1, You don't know what this means. It could mean that Vayne hit Bugs with a kp and bugs was a vet at that point (during d2). But you never really seem to be pressing on vayne at all in your filter to figure out this information. You do harp on yamato and want to get him lynched. However when Gb claims if you are actually tracker you KNOW that there probably will not be more than one cop type role in this game or very very seldom will it be that way in a non themed game. But instead of going OK GUYS WE LYNCH 100% MAFIA IN GB TODAY. You go NO, DONT LYNCH GB LYNCH YAMATO. You don't act like someone who basically has a CC and act completely differently the next day towards gb than you did around the time of the claim, in fact why did you even track GB? You are sure that hes not the cop, but you claim he didn't move. He claims he has a red check on HF. You are full of lies it looks like to me. On June 25 2015 09:08 Damdred wrote: I will admit however that d1 I didn't really have any scum reads to speak of, my only scum read I spoke of d 1 was fid who I immediately withdrew when rs said he was a mason. And I did come out with a scum read on mig and pushed him around lynch the next day until the fake green check which totally sucked ass in retrospect -_-. Overlal I've scuekd i'll admit it but it doesn't make me scum Deflecting off HF: + Show Spoiler + Several times he tries to deflect our push on HF and discrediting the red-check when there's a really low chance that the red-check is false. He seems to be really fond of the idea that HF is either framed or miller: On June 25 2015 09:05 Damdred wrote: Well heres the thing HF, i'm actually debating whether you could of been framed or not like We are talking about the mafia team who totally decided not to kill either rsoultin or fid n1 even though they basically hard claimed mason d1. And RS isn't that bad a player, instead they went after bugs (or hes scum) and kel who isn't a bad kill but is a really safe kill. That speaks to me of a not so good scum team personally, or a sub optima not paying attention one who could of really framed you instead of going for someone else. Besides that you could be a miller. And on another point activity for you is not alignment indicative to an extent, for example Christmas carol around your lynch you wer super active and went ball to the wall to try to not get lynched as scum. But once again i'm not sure that you would of chosen the kills like that d1 either. But as of now i'm pretty much thinking you are more of a miller or framed than mafia potentially, as I read the post it read a bit more like town hf than scum at this point. Discrediting the red-check: On June 28 2015 07:58 Damdred wrote: The correct play is to lynch the scummiest player. If you lynch hf do it for a real reason not just a red check as in a totally closed setup doesn't mean quite as much. For example why would scum team totally sacrifice mig for hf there? Idk what the point is except we go gb, mig then hf in that scenario. It looks much more likely atm that role cop gb drew Out vayne and we have a mislynch in hf incoming. On June 28 2015 08:23 Damdred wrote: It depends. For example we really don't know what the scum team has, its possible that they don't have a rb or a godfather etc. Have a framer or we have a Miller. Sometimes a red check just doesn't mean as much in a closed setup then it does in an open setup. Does that mean hf is lock town? No he is the best scum player on site after all. Rs and gb are probably unobtrusive fists at me currently but yeah I just want to find the other two scum before we decide on hf Deflecting: On June 30 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote: Like if there was one mafia left no frame had flipped and something like God father had already flipped I would say lynch hf with 100% right now. Maybe if godfather had already flipped, but it hasn't we don't know what the scum team is working for. HOWEVER, we still are working with a three scum team and nobody is even trying to figure out who the other members are, they are trying to convince HF THAT HF IS SCUM! This is possibly the most counter productive thing that we can do. Or pass off responsibility for a good lynch on confirmed town Fide. On July 01 2015 01:08 Damdred wrote: This is a really frustrating day, listen guys you are making this day about hf a million percent and forcing him to only defend himself. You aren't making him give reads or try to solve the game. If he's scum and he gets lynched we have no real new information besides little blurbs so stop just attacking him make him talk about only other people and you do the same. For example shockey asked me if I felt like oneg had done more, the answer is no I made an arbitrary list of people not doing jack shit inlylo and obviously don't care. They don't care On July 01 2015 07:20 Damdred wrote: It complicates things a bit... in this many lylo in a row mafia are just as likely to hard bus to get extra cred than to go exclusively for a town. Also knowing hf, if he were scum I feel like he would,100% want the framer to flip over hard defending him. So he could use that in his defense. Kinda deep,hf is town here A strange statement regarding HF: + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote: I'm pretty sure hf will be around until 2 v 1 if we get to that point. I have to look through hf filter a bit to see if I see anything. But right now time is better spent getting thoughts out or questioning any inconsistencies you find Why does he think this? On June 28 2015 08:24 Damdred wrote: Why wouldn't scum,keep a red check around to mislynch one day? I see 2 problems with this: #1) If HF is town, he's very dangerous to keep around. Even with a redcheck he's not getting lynched time and time again, also he has an uncanny ability to push through lynches on people. I would be very scared as mafia to keep a town HF around, even WITH a red-check. #2) You're indirectly saying that people wanting to keep HF around are actually scum. Well, that's a nice way to call yourself scum. Seems incredibly confident in his reads day one without backing them up with substance. 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On July 02 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote: There is a possibility he's scum and its possible that he's scum with oneg. Hiwever its not at all correct for me to hard align myself with anyone even if you use wifom to put doubts into it. Its idiotic and hurts me trying to win the game as scum. most the thread at some point would of wanted to lynch hf most didn't vote him which is strange What makes you think that HF could be scum with onegu? I got the opposite impression after seeing what happened yesterday. | ||
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I don't see any reason why mafia wouldn't start a train on at least one town person. What is there to gain by bussing until the end? The longer the game goes, the more certain people become in each others alignments. Meaning you have to abuse the town uncertainty of alignment while you still can. | ||
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I can't come to terms with a town person playing the way onegu does. | ||
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I'm not really sure what to make of the push on onegu. It did seem kind of artificial how they were yelling each others names so loudly and trying so hard. It felt really forced in a way. | ||
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I really enjoyed playing with you fidei. From the way you post to the way you thought. I felt like we connected on an intellectual level. I hope we get to play together again, I really like you as a person | ||
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Is it some kind of meme in TL mafia? | ||
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On July 02 2015 07:19 Fidei86 wrote: rr famous last words :p | ||
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On July 02 2015 07:35 Damdred wrote: 6 players left 4 v 2 The nightkill was really not surprising, however weird in a sense to. It might be an interesting idea to no lynch today and that night kill would give us a lot of information to a degree... but i'm not sure yet. How is a nolynch going to help? What do we gain if LS or Nydus dies? | ||
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They want to give away as little information as possible by killing the "confirmed town". | ||
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On July 02 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote: I 100% believe I can solve any game i'm in, which means i'm prime to be killed once people start thinking i'm towny in some way. But what person is confirmed town now? LS isn't confirmed he could of been framed for a green check, oneg and hf have some form of triple bus theory on them. NHM has fallen off the face of the earth, you could of been carrying a kp. So the next nk would give us a lot of information more than likely. What you believe and how people perceive you are two completely separate things. And when was the last time someone raised suspicion on LS or NHM? | ||
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I see how from a statistics point of view it'll help us out because then we'll be 3v2 and the chance of lynching into scum is higher than if it was 4v2. It's also true that we'll get more time to find information, find out who the scum are, which is not a bad thing. Since it's a mylo situation anyway, a no-lynch doesn't really hurt us in any way I can think of. I think a no-lynch is actually a fine idea. | ||
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We should keep it well tempered so that we can be productive working together. | ||
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Do we just ##vote no-lynch and if it gets more votes than a person it's a no-lynch? | ||
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6. You may not vote for a no-lynch. Well then... We made a big fuss out of nothing. Good job us! | ||
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We know that there was a framer in the game. LS was a hot topic of debate on day 1 due to his blue claim. I don't find it unreasonable for mafia to have framed him night 1, and that the greencheck actually was a swap from his red alignment. I mean, if GB found it reasonable to check LS, it's not unlikely that the mafia thought along the same lines and framed him. In that case LS could perhaps be mafia? I need to re-read his filter to see if I can find any supporting evidence. | ||
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He just stayed outside my field of vision when I was scum hunting. But now that we know there was a framer in the game, I can't just automatically assume that the green-check is valid anymore. | ||
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On July 02 2015 11:20 LightningStrike wrote: Also the fact that Shockeyy had been on me since Day 1 should of cleared my alignment that I am 100% Town....... So I looked into LS and I couldn't find anything that would make me believe he's anymore mafia than he was before the framer flipped. He's consistently been on shockey throughout the game and it feels genuine. His blueclaim notwithstanding my spidersenses don't ring any bells when it comes to LS. | ||
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My preferred order of lynching looking at people in isolation would be : Onegu HF Damdred I feel like damdred has been acting a bit strange lately though. Not sure what's going on with him. Feels like he's a bit emotionally unstable? Calling us "fucking idiots" for thinking he's scum, and now lashing out in anger when I'm just having a regular conversation with him pointing out his flaws. Don't know if he's stressed out or overly defensive. Trying to bring suspicion onto LS and NHM when I frankly don't see why he would have any reason to do so. At least give us some reasons why you'd think they are suspicious instead of just saying "there's something wrong" with them, and not doing any work to back it up. Yes there's a framer in the game, and yes LS could've been framed. But you have been hard town reading him all game and now you want to bring suspicion onto him? And I frankly don't agree about NHM. I feel like his presence has been pretty solid overall the last cycles tbh. Do some work instead of just throwing out names like that. | ||
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On July 03 2015 00:33 Damdred wrote: Actually this is a really weird post to me. 1) You make a list post that contains who you think is scummy. That is actually good somewhat however 2) Instead of talking about hf or oneg your top scum reads you decided to talk about scum read 3. 3) None of what you say leads into any form of conclusions or a stance it is just a lot of words that come out to nothing? 4) completely leave out context of our conversation on voting a no lynch to get the information from a nk. I actually kind of think rux could be scum. His post is really strange and at points it reads as straight discrediting and avoiding the context of our conversation to make me look scummy. And the do the work thing, would you tell your scum reads to do work? No you tell town to do wotk lunch then back Oh I've said more than enough about my top 2 scumreads. You're welcome to look through my filter if it's not clear enough. Right now I'm trying to figure out if I want to bump you higher on that list, since you are acting all strange lately. No stance? My scumlist is my current stance. And you're the one that missed the context when with my fault logic comment i was referring to the reason for you getting shot, not that we shouldn't no-lynch. About work: I expect town people to do their duty and carry their part of the burden by contributing. If you want to convince me that you're not scum, then as I say to people I scum read, not just you, do some work and help us find the rest of the scum. That is the *best* way you can convince me that you're not scum. If you can't be bothered to do that then .. well... that's your prerogative. | ||
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Can you give me a summary of why you are suspecting HF, and who your other suspects are and why? | ||
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On July 03 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote: How do we no lynch? It's not allowed by the rules. | ||
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On July 03 2015 01:40 Damdred wrote: A random lost post isn't a stance, a stance is I want to lynch x person. Or I think X is scum because of Y. I know you haven't played much to this point but in lylo it is not my responsibility to dig through you filter to figure out your cases. It is my responsibility to dig through filters to figure out if you are sxum. For example if I want to lynch Y today it is my job to remind everyone why Y is acum rather than look busy doing things talking about Z. As such what I state still stands, you say a decent amount in that without saying anything really. For example my little idiots isn't really a big emotional outburst, if you continue playing on these forums you will come to find I'm really really mild. But on another note you keep talking about what town should do today however you don't really show a lot of work yourself just bashing me for most of the day tbh so far Back to lunch Well then. Allow me to remind you why we should lynch onegu today: Exhibit A: + Show Spoiler + So, in the hunt for more mafia, I want to take a closer look at the vote count. + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2015 06:56 Fecalfeast wrote: Day 3 Vote Count Holyflare (2): GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86 Damdred (0): rsoultin (0): Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred Clinging to the ledge, GlowingBear hangs over the abyss. Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes in the voting thread will be counted. Given that GB did the checks that he said he did, mafia would be desperate to get GB lynched, and would be all over voting for him. I find it highly likely that some of the mafia can be found here: GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu This supports the theory that onegu could be mafia. Day 1: I don't think that LS and Onegu are mafia together, judging from the way that Onegu tunneled LS *hard* day 1 and wanted him lynched. He even went so far as to be willing to lynch LS even if it meant losing the game, just to teach him a lesson. That's a mafia play. The rules says to play to win, and that was exactly what he was doing. On June 18 2015 23:40 Onegu wrote: I dont care if the claim is townie. Dont give 2 shits. LS needs to die so he learns a lesson for future games. I am still reading this huge ass thread... On June 18 2015 23:43 Onegu wrote: Dont give 2 shits once again. Dont care his alignment. I care about him stopping this. On June 18 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote: Also I will be honest I think LS is town. On June 19 2015 06:49 Onegu wrote: LS still needs to die. Dont worry I dont plan on being useless all game... On June 19 2015 23:04 Onegu wrote: again dont care if he is town either, want to lynch LS How much more anti-town can you get? Day 3: GB claims he got a redcheck on rsoul. On June 23 2015 12:56 GlowingBear wrote: I've got a red check on you, dear. Onegu jumps at the chance of voting for rsoul: On June 23 2015 12:58 Onegu wrote: HAHAHAHAHA HEADSHOT!!!!! ##Vote Rsoultin No greater pleasure! And he was eager to accept the thought of fidei and rsoul being mafia On June 23 2015 13:04 Onegu wrote: So if this is true you have 3 scum. Fidei, rsoul, and mig right? Turns out GB was joking to get a reaction out of people. And he sure did get a reaction out of onegu. On June 23 2015 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: I'm kidding, just wanted some reactions from people online My red check is on holyflare THANK GOD YOU PRICK YOU PLAYED TOO MUCH WITH MY HEART Adding to that Onegu has barely done anything pro town the whole game. I find it likely that Onegu is mafia This is how my world aligns right now with the latest votes: Day 3 Vote Count Holyflare (2): GlowingBear, NydusHerMain GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86 Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred I'll look further into the people I'm unsure about. Exhibit B: + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2015 01:19 Onegu wrote: So I am now thinking HF may actually be town and High chance that LS is scum here. That post where he says HF has to be scum is just so random. The one where he says he was framed because he is miller which means HF has to be scum. Like how does town think of that. That is just one more post that is TMI. TBF HF wasnt killed in GoT mafia until the night before 2v1 lylo. Yes he should be dead but its not impossible for him to be alive as town here. So I am going to go with Mig, LS, RuXxar, and X. Let me get this straight onegu. Not only are you saying that the red check on HF was because he's a miller or framed, but you're *also* saying that the green check on LS was due to him being framed or being miller? I don't even... What kind of fantasy world is that? Do you know how absurd that is? I don't understand how anyone could even *begin* to think that is a sensible conclusion if they are town. For all the TMI accusations you're throwing about, you sure seem to know a lot. I don't even... Let's follow onegus story and see how ridiculous it is. First you said this day 1: On June 18 2015 23:40 Onegu wrote: I dont care if the claim is townie. Dont give 2 shits. LS needs to die so he learns a lesson for future games. I am still reading this huge ass thread... On June 18 2015 23:43 Onegu wrote: Dont give 2 shits once again. Dont care his alignment. I care about him stopping this. On June 18 2015 23:54 Onegu wrote: Also I will be honest I think LS is town. On June 19 2015 06:49 Onegu wrote: LS still needs to die. Dont worry I dont plan on being useless all game... On June 19 2015 23:04 Onegu wrote: again dont care if he is town either, want to lynch LS Note the red line. Yet somehow you couldn't let go of your idea of wanting to "policy lynch" LS, so after the greencheck on LS comes in you have to make up some other excuse to confirm your confirmation bias. "Oh right, he was framed or is a GF." On top of that you believe that HF is a miller or got framed. Why don't you just tell me the lottery numbers for next week too? Like, do you realize how seriously unlikely your scenarios are? I was going to vote for HF tomorrow. After this, I really want to vote for you instead. Exhibit C: + Show Spoiler + Onegu, why do you only show up when you're actually under suspicion? You show 0 interest in wanting to solve the game, only show up to throw out one liners and don't even bother reading the thread. On June 30 2015 13:52 Onegu wrote: Like why me over Shockky? Like he is faking anger at this point to get a mislynch in lylo What is there to fake? Your play is honestly pissing me off. You're shitting on everyone elses time when you decide not to play the game. Did you sign up just to stay afk until the end? You don't even read the thread And you didn't even read the whole quote here where I even explained WHY I'm voting for you. I want to vote you because you're playing like scum, and at this point your whole attitude towards the game is terrible. Like, just read the posts I made against you and respond to what I'm actually saying. Explain your actions in a logical manner that makes your line of thought clear to everyone. On June 30 2015 15:38 Onegu wrote: Yeah and I voted with my tunneled mafia read you in Boring. So I have found the scum team. RuXxar, Shockky, Damdred. I think I get lynched now though for dropping my LS scum read... Suddenly you're accusing damdred out of thin air for what? He made 1 comment about you? You're so defensive about getting accused and unwilling to actually defend yourself with logical arguments. Instead resorting to OMGUS and making up wild scenarios that fit your world where LS is scum. You don't even bother to show up if you're not in danger. It's not hard to substantiate your claims if you actually have a REASON for doing so. How do you expect me to ever trust you as town when you give me NOTHING to work with. On June 30 2015 15:42 Onegu wrote: ruXxar because all game he has been attempting to make players look worse than they actually are, and now wanting to PLynch me in Lylo after calling me the easiest mislynch. Trying to make people look worse? You said this right after I joined the game. Please explain how I tried to make people look worse? At least I'm fucking trying to play the game and do shit, unlike you. And yeah I want to lynch you right now and if you actually READ the thread and what I've said about you, you wouldn't have a problem understanding WHY I'm voting for you. And if you still don't understand, then FUCKING ASK?!!!! How hard is that?!!!! Instead you show up with your bs "Onegu rule rekt" crap and 0 reasons for anything. Yeah, I'm not making the same mistake as my last game. I want you dead. Exhibit D: + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote: Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end. Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play. I can't buy this excuse. Onegu is playing EXACTLY like Sulfurus(a scum in my last game). That was my newbie game(first game) and it was Sulfurus second game I think. Well turned out people actually went and read Sulfurus meta from his first game. And he played EXACTLY the same way in both games. Guess what, in the first game he was actually town, so it only strengthened my belief in him being "shitty town". But you know what, that was his plan all along. He was emulating his town meta to throw people off. I bought into it like the fool I was. I'm not going to base my reads on meta. I'm going to base it on what they do in the game. And in this game, onegu is playing like scum. Exhibit E: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2015 03:02 Onegu wrote: Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. I am playing now so suck it. Also why does scum onegu not push you today? Like HF can never read me. Since we were in newbies together. @RuXxar Why do I need to defend myself at this point we are still 4 hours from lynch and I am not dieing. And like your only reason for scum reading me is I am not doing anything... Well guess what I am now so your arguement is void. Damdred is being dumb/mafia because he knows for a fact I am willing to vote with my tunneled scum read as town. Also ruXxar the point about you making people look worse, you did it with VA and me right as you came in the game. Shockky because onegu rule. And also knowing my meta and thinking this is my scum play. I need you to actually do something at all, because basically this is ALL that you gameplan encompasses: 1. Be afk. 2. Show up when people accuse you. 3. Be afk. 4. Show up to vote. 5. Be afk. And you showing up here and saying "I'm here" doesnt mean that you are ACTUALLY doing something! Yes I analyzed you as I came into the game and your filter looked like shit. Guess what? It still does. You're going to call me scum for scumreading you? Really? You even KNEW that you looked like scum, so why do you hold that against me? On June 21 2015 12:13 Onegu wrote: This is so bad. Like obv people who never played with me will see me as anti town and you know it. So why ask someone who never played with me their thoughts? You don't WANT people to read you because you know you're going to look like scum? What kind of mentality is that? It's like you're shying away from contact with the outside world, but as soon as someone even hints at you being scum you come out claws first and start an OMGUS train against them. You are even aware, as you make abundantly clear in the above post, that your play looks like scum. So tell me this: If you are town, playing in a game trying to win. Why the hell would you continue to play in a way that makes people perceive you as scum?! 1: It gives you no credit. Your opinion isn't going to be worth anything if people don't think you're town. 2: It makes it easy for scum to mislynch you. 3: You make it incredibly hard for town when you get down to a LYLO situation and you've provided basically 0 content that supports you as town. Do you know how incredibly stupid way of playing that is? If you are town, and you are playing like this in all your town games, I don't even want to play with you anymore, because honestly you're making the game shit for everyone else trying to invest time into it and actively trying to the best of their ability to win. YOU DONT WIN AS TOWN BY BEING AFK ALL GAME AND NOT CONTRIBUTING. And now you show up saying "I'm here" and throw out 1 liners as if that's somehow supposed to be self evident. Like we have some sort of telepathic connection into your brain that will automatically explain the stances you take?! How about you spend more than 2 minutes to read an accusation against you and actually flesh out your posts with some arguments and logical reasoning. Bring your own sentiment to the thread, bring new thoughts, ideas, new suspects. You don't show any sign of actually thinking about the game outside of the 2 minutes you spend looking for posts made against you and your OMGUS attack against people. You say you're going to play? How about you give some REASONING behind what you say instead of throwing out crap like this: Stop being bad. Lynch RuXxar or Shockky today. ..No explanation I have dropped my LS read. ..No explanation ...No explanation. No I thought Mig was tracker with check on scum GB ...No further explanation. You know how badly I want to lynch you right now? You're lucky. You should've never made it this far. But I'm done with you unless you actually show up and play. It looks like you might make it one more day, I hope you enjoy it. | ||
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Has your opinion of Onegu changed? What do you think of the current situation? You had suspicions of me and damdred. Are those suspicions still standing strong, if not, what has changed? | ||
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Is it more likely that the person playing like scum is scum, or do you want to lynch a person that's playing like town, just because he has a reputation for being a good player? I think you run into too many wifom scenarios and you can basically convince yourself to lynch any player if you apply that type of reasoning. My brain is telling me that the most sensible option here is to lynch onegu, and I honestly can't find any counterpoints as to why not. | ||
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On July 03 2015 10:17 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly Onegu is a very easy mislynch as town and honestly the fact that HF is even alive past Day 3(before it was announced that he got red checked) means he more likely to be scum than Town esp given his reputation. He had done similar here to Carol and Ippo when he was scum trust me he can shit post a ton as scum. I would rather lynch HF than Onegu at this point. ##Vote: Holyflare You say that Onegu is an easy mislynch, but do you think his play is scummy or towny? | ||
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When you play the game of mafia, you will most likely play more games as town than as mafia correct? The easiest play a person can do is to keep their meta consistent regardless of alignment. So wouldn't it make sense that the way onegu plays now is the same way he plays as both mafia and town? If you look at his scum games, are they very different from his town games? | ||
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On July 03 2015 12:30 Onegu wrote: Ruxxar is like 90% final scum to me. I'm really thankful for your very good explanation of this statement.... No really, thank you. Like seriously, you keep saying this like you're some Jedi trying to convince us with mind tricks. I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry at this point, since you keep throwing this at me with no reason except OMGUS. Right now I have a very hard time taking anything you say seriously. Oh and I'm 90% sure onegu is scum too. | ||
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On July 03 2015 14:06 Onegu wrote: Explained why I think you are scum already. Plus PoE. And Onegu rule. It's ok you don't know what the Onegu rule is but you have been rekt by it. Let me guess.. You're going to tell me you play like shit on purpose to catch people trying to mislynch you? Yeah... No. I don't buy it. That's a terrible way to play since one will ever know if you're town or not. All we have is your word for it, and your word means nothing to me with the way you've been playing. | ||
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Why would anyone believe such an unlikely thing? I don't think any town person would ever think that is a reasonable scenario. Then suddenly I see framer flip and it starts making sense that onegu thought the way he did. It's not a stretch for scum to make up scenarios like that when they have perfect information. They get blindsided by how unreasonable it is, and think "sure a framer is possible." | ||
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Look at how he's played this game and tell me it looks like a town person. How can you sit there and be complacent thinking, "but but... meta!". That's a fucking lazy way to play. Forget about meta. Meta is easy to fake. I've seen it done firsthand. Use your own judgment and examine his play this game. Tell me, and be 100% honest with yourself, that you think onegu has played like town this game. Look at the cases brought up against him, I referenced them some pages back. Look at how he's played. Look at what he's done to help town. Think for yourself, what positive contribution has onegu ever given this game? Every fiber of my being is telling me that onegu is mafia right now. If you still think that onegu is town after all he has done this game, then there's nothing I can do to convince you. The evidence has been staring you right in the eyes this whole game, and you're refusing to see it. | ||
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On July 04 2015 02:43 Onegu wrote: Looks like my son will get out of the hospital today, he is napping now so I got a few minutes. @ruXxar first I don't expect you to use meta, and yes my play looks I guess somewhat scummy. But I expect people who have played more than 4-5 games with me to be able to read me at this point. LS, Damdred and HF but he is scum so... Now reasons why ruxxar is scum. Has shockky atop his scum pile but never really pushes him puts his vote on me for "policy". Says he will look up my meta then comes back with look at how scummy Onegu is this game. Attempts to make me and VA look worse then we have. Was JK n1 and we have a missing shot, guessing he was carrying a shot not being shot. Now please read my thing on why I am town and HF scum based on the previous votes. F word dude who was confirmed town was willing to move if others were. If I was scum and HF town we just move onto HF and f word dude moves to HF and scum win. HF didn't have a townie who wanted to vote for me early then Shockley got 6 before people even started talking about moving to me. At that point I would need 5 votes not 3 which is to many so late. If I was scum this game is over already. @HF guess you need to NK me from now on before lylo. ##Rekt Not sure if I can/ will post again, will try You don't expect me to use meta against you, so why do you blame me for attacking you when you *know* that your play is scummy? Why not go, hey, maybe I should try to play more like town, so people will think I'm town. No.. that's a terrible idea! I'm going judge you by the way you play, and if you play like this every game, I will call you scum every game we play together, there's no two ways about it. ----- Yes, shockey has been high on my scumlist for a long time now. I made two cases on him: Case #1 Case #2 And I called him out several times: + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2015 05:16 ruXxar wrote: I don't see any evidence for them being mafia together. How do you explain Onegu tunneling LS all game? On July 01 2015 00:13 ruXxar wrote: You don't think I'm mafia because of this? What if I was the shot carrier that got JK'd? That's not conclusive evidence that I'm town. On July 01 2015 00:23 ruXxar wrote: I don't believe for one second that you saved GB because you believed he was town. Like, you only switched your vote when people actually called you out for voting on him. And you give like 3 different reasons for switching your votes. Some of them you didn't even believe in, you just went along with them because "you wanted to try it out". Then you shift the blame away from yourself because hey "It was GB's stupid idea, not mine!" And then you have the gall to show up and lecture us because you "saved" GB, as if you were fighting for his innocence day 1? Give me a break. You're just trying to make yourself look good by taking credit in retrospect. On July 01 2015 00:50 ruXxar wrote: "More town than" does not equal "town". Right now I think you are more town than onegu by a slight hair of margin. Doesn't mean that I think you're town. You would've been happy to lynch either of them, and it was quite apparent by the way you were switching votes. And why did you take into consideration his biggest filter argument when you actively argued that biggest filter doesn't mean anything? Not withstanding the many times I've called him scum and involved him in my scumreads. And I voted to get him lynched. ------ I put my vote on you because of policy? Kettle meet pot. Who was voting LS all game because of policy I wonder? hmm... That's right: this guy Not to mention your play had been scummy all the way up until that point. That was just the tipping point. When the game died down, I fully realized you had done absolutely nothing to push the game forward at all in town favor. ------ Yeah I said was going to look up your meta, but I redecided because guess what? Meta is easy to fake. I've seen it done before. I'm going to judge you by the way you play this game, and if you keep playing like this, I'm going to keep calling you scum no matter what. ------ -Attempts to make you and VA look bad "Boohoo, big bad ruxxar is scumreading me." Please, your filters both looked like shit and it's the honest truth. You've never played with me before, I do things differently. Yet somehow you see a big wall of text and suddenly I'm trying to make you "look bad". I don't need to make you look bad, you're doing a fine job of that on your own. I put together cases on many people, and I give my honest opinon. Yeah, I'm new to this game and I don't know all there is to know. So what? Maybe my method of determining who is scum is incorrect. I don't care. I'm going to do my best to contribute in my own way. If you don't like it, then fine, go cry about it. But you don't gain any respect from me for the way you've been playing this game if you're town. | ||
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You never know how people will use that against you as both town and mafia. I don't think meta is reliable enough to make such a strong statement as you're making here. | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:37 ruXxar wrote: Can anyone give me any reasons BESIDES META why onegu is town here? Please? I feel ignored, plz halp? | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:47 LightningStrike wrote: I had already answered this question before? On July 03 2015 11:38 LightningStrike wrote: Scummy without meta but with meta towny for him. You don't answer why you think he is town WITHOUT meta. | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:49 Onegu wrote: Ruxxar what happend to you looking at my meta for yourself? Because meta is easy to fake. I've seen it done before, and I've fallen for people emulating their own town meta a scum. | ||
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On July 04 2015 06:37 ruXxar wrote: Can anyone give me any reasons BESIDES META why onegu is town here? Please? Damdred, mind to answer? | ||
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On July 04 2015 07:04 scott31337 wrote: Onegu has gotten the scumteam right in his last four games If I get a townfeel from him I'm just YOLO sheeping him Actually Rsoultin got the scumteam correct first: On June 26 2015 03:15 rsoultin wrote: anyway i'm at mig/ruxx/hf/shockey <- post-game cred outside chance of oneg mig, ruxx, hf almost definitely scum...if i'm not here tomorrow and y'all don't lynch mig -_- well, there's not much i can do about it but you should be feeling my DISPLEASURE beating on all your heads the WHOLE TIME lol >< | ||
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On July 04 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: BTW I will quit playing mafia for at least a month since I lost us this game. Don't feel bad LS. You have a good heart | ||
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You want them to make a rational argument why their religion makes sense. Their answer? #Meta. | ||
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I lost my last game at MYLO and it felt really bad even if the scum played really well. I just took it as a learning experience and realize i became stronger and more experienced after! | ||
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What I said about HF and the red check was really my true opinion about it. | ||
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I didn't make up any of my reads. The most fake read I made up was probably against damdred. The case I made on him was pretty much all I could scrape together, and I didn't even think it was very convincing :p | ||
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if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol
