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Onegu
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Holyflare
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On July 04 2015 03:01 Holyflare wrote: posting wall of text, onegu's thing is bs since if i was mafia i just get my third mafia partner (he's saying it's ruxxar) to switch and fidei town read ruxxar and he would be 100% dead, ruxxar even had onegu as very likely mafia doesn't make any sense so don't listen to it you are saying fidei would switch, I am saying the same thing, the difference being you had more votes on you to begin with so it's easier for you to die than me, especially as nobody was joining the wagon on me at all also, wall of text still incoming, it will be a colossal wall and then it will be followed by another wall | ||
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ruXxar
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On July 04 2015 02:43 Onegu wrote: Looks like my son will get out of the hospital today, he is napping now so I got a few minutes. @ruXxar first I don't expect you to use meta, and yes my play looks I guess somewhat scummy. But I expect people who have played more than 4-5 games with me to be able to read me at this point. LS, Damdred and HF but he is scum so... Now reasons why ruxxar is scum. Has shockky atop his scum pile but never really pushes him puts his vote on me for "policy". Says he will look up my meta then comes back with look at how scummy Onegu is this game. Attempts to make me and VA look worse then we have. Was JK n1 and we have a missing shot, guessing he was carrying a shot not being shot. Now please read my thing on why I am town and HF scum based on the previous votes. F word dude who was confirmed town was willing to move if others were. If I was scum and HF town we just move onto HF and f word dude moves to HF and scum win. HF didn't have a townie who wanted to vote for me early then Shockley got 6 before people even started talking about moving to me. At that point I would need 5 votes not 3 which is to many so late. If I was scum this game is over already. @HF guess you need to NK me from now on before lylo. ##Rekt Not sure if I can/ will post again, will try You don't expect me to use meta against you, so why do you blame me for attacking you when you *know* that your play is scummy? Why not go, hey, maybe I should try to play more like town, so people will think I'm town. No.. that's a terrible idea! I'm going judge you by the way you play, and if you play like this every game, I will call you scum every game we play together, there's no two ways about it. ----- Yes, shockey has been high on my scumlist for a long time now. I made two cases on him: Case #1 Case #2 And I called him out several times: + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2015 05:16 ruXxar wrote: I don't see any evidence for them being mafia together. How do you explain Onegu tunneling LS all game? On July 01 2015 00:13 ruXxar wrote: You don't think I'm mafia because of this? What if I was the shot carrier that got JK'd? That's not conclusive evidence that I'm town. On July 01 2015 00:23 ruXxar wrote: I don't believe for one second that you saved GB because you believed he was town. Like, you only switched your vote when people actually called you out for voting on him. And you give like 3 different reasons for switching your votes. Some of them you didn't even believe in, you just went along with them because "you wanted to try it out". Then you shift the blame away from yourself because hey "It was GB's stupid idea, not mine!" And then you have the gall to show up and lecture us because you "saved" GB, as if you were fighting for his innocence day 1? Give me a break. You're just trying to make yourself look good by taking credit in retrospect. On July 01 2015 00:50 ruXxar wrote: "More town than" does not equal "town". Right now I think you are more town than onegu by a slight hair of margin. Doesn't mean that I think you're town. You would've been happy to lynch either of them, and it was quite apparent by the way you were switching votes. And why did you take into consideration his biggest filter argument when you actively argued that biggest filter doesn't mean anything? Not withstanding the many times I've called him scum and involved him in my scumreads. And I voted to get him lynched. ------ I put my vote on you because of policy? Kettle meet pot. Who was voting LS all game because of policy I wonder? hmm... That's right: this guy Not to mention your play had been scummy all the way up until that point. That was just the tipping point. When the game died down, I fully realized you had done absolutely nothing to push the game forward at all in town favor. ------ Yeah I said was going to look up your meta, but I redecided because guess what? Meta is easy to fake. I've seen it done before. I'm going to judge you by the way you play this game, and if you keep playing like this, I'm going to keep calling you scum no matter what. ------ -Attempts to make you and VA look bad "Boohoo, big bad ruxxar is scumreading me." Please, your filters both looked like shit and it's the honest truth. You've never played with me before, I do things differently. Yet somehow you see a big wall of text and suddenly I'm trying to make you "look bad". I don't need to make you look bad, you're doing a fine job of that on your own. I put together cases on many people, and I give my honest opinon. Yeah, I'm new to this game and I don't know all there is to know. So what? Maybe my method of determining who is scum is incorrect. I don't care. I'm going to do my best to contribute in my own way. If you don't like it, then fine, go cry about it. But you don't gain any respect from me for the way you've been playing this game if you're town. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Day 1 Day 1 I started off pretty trolly. Partly because I had confirmed myself as town: On June 17 2015 07:03 Holyflare wrote: CONFIRMED TOWN BITCHES and partly because I wanted to garner reactions. Mafia love to jump on me or blindly defend me when I do absolutely nothing and I loved it. I also wanted to sit back and look objectively at people's reactions until something hit me in the face. First and foremost I wanted to drop a vote onto Bill Murray because I made that theory that everybody sheeped. Bill Murray was very likely mafia because in order to start the game he had to confirm his slot and in doing so would have been around for the start of the game, yet he had never posted. I thought this was a great shot at being mafia even if it seems a bit wifom. I think a few people picked up on it (GB, Kelsier) and that was cool and I kind of liked those people at that point but there were people that were using it against me too (Rsoultin). I kept an eye out at those people. Then, I saw bugs doing some crazy pushing on people that was very tunnelled and I was like "hey this is pretty weird, why the hell is he doing this but didn't behave like he did for this person". That was the first real bit where my suspicions were piqued. On June 17 2015 11:37 Holyflare wrote: yo bugs you say you read multiple ls games to get a feel for his posts last game so why you not doing it here for this push? On June 17 2015 11:53 Holyflare wrote: "you scummy for making read like this" "nah im not i do it a lot" "you scummy for not justifying it" "I did in my own way" "you scummy for not giving proper read" "read my other games" "you scummy! why nobody think she scummy?" "why didnt you read her games?" "dota" "she's scummy!" -wbg 2015 I felt that this push was entirely disingenuous on both LS and Rsoultin but I wanted to push it further and see where it went. This led to bugs pretty much outlining his entire thought process and I was very easily placated by it since it seemed very logical and thought out (at the same time rsoultin was being a dick to me for no reason so i revered the meta on her and also pried bugs for his info that I just mentioned) On June 17 2015 12:04 Holyflare wrote: well i'm taking your old meta on me and reversing it so you being an ass to me for no reason is scummy since we usually get along as town either way continue doing stuff bugsss i mean i can see where you're coming from i suppose but no motivation to explain things and stubbornness isn't a mafia trait, in fact it's usually a town trait? i'm gonna do some lawyer shenanigans right now though and mediate: bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format let's all be nice and hug it out On June 17 2015 12:18 Holyflare wrote: do these two things align? I don't think so It was at this point that rsoultin decided to continue contradicting her own points. I thought this was incredibly scummy and since I was playing very subdued it looked very much like she was trying to push incorrect meta on me on purpose to get me lynched. It was atrocious and I decided that she was mafia. This also led me a bit off of bugs (also ritoky was posting my exact thoughts at the time and "mind melding" but it felt somewhat off since it happened so much that I thought he was just parroting me on purpose to pocket me) On June 17 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477216-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia?user=Holyflare http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/482863-game-of-thrones-mini-mafia?user=Holyflare <---- posted shit all for hours like the last 3 town games i do absolutely nothing at the start of the game while being around lol ##unvote ##vote rsoultin ^ me trying to outline why rsoultin was pushing bull shit it was at this point that damdred started blindly defending rsoultin for no reason and this genuinely made me go "wtf dude what are you doing" especially as I posted here, I normally do nothing as town a lot too: On June 17 2015 13:20 Holyflare wrote: and damdred i literally just showed that not to be the case (that i actually don't do stuff - especially as she was pushing me after 1 post ^^) but yeh the rest of it i have no problems with On June 17 2015 12:36 Holyflare wrote: only if you can prove why someone that proclaims to be able to meta read me every game gets my meta so horrible wrong and tries to call me scummy  It was so out of the blue that alarm bells were going off, I put it in the back of my mind though since I was pretty tunneled on rsoultin and she was busy responding to my points http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=28#551 ^ this was the post by bugs that totally made me drop anything I thought of him being scummy, it was very well laid out. annoyingly (:D) what rsoultin posted in her giant wall of text made a lot of sense and explained a lot of where she was coming from, there was still the bit on me that I totally didn't like so I was hesitant to fully let it go but I admit, I was kinda swayed a lot and put her back to a scummy null instead: On June 17 2015 12:59 Holyflare wrote: eh i don't have any gripes with what she just posted On June 17 2015 13:00 Holyflare wrote: well apart from the huge bs about me of course She was also pushing kelsier which made me dislike her even more though so I thought I'd nip that in the bud too and add it to the list of scummy things she was trying to push that just weren't scummy: On June 17 2015 13:13 Holyflare wrote: The fact that kelsier has made like 2-3 pushes and mini cases means he's very likely town At this point I thought enough people had posted that I could make a really really cursory list of people I'd like to lynch, for now I kept off the majority of people that were super vocal and gave me some suspicions because I didn't want to clog up the thread with shit posting back and forth (hahaha yeh that didn't work out eventually -.-) and people love to blindly defend them no matter what anyway: On June 17 2015 13:34 Holyflare wrote: and you say i did nothing with my vote -.- 3 Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + 4 ritoky - probably not just uneasy buddy wordz + Show Spoiler + 5 ShoCkeyy - maybe not, seems kind of new but not read the database of 5 games or w/e 6 Onegu 10 Fidei86 12 Mig + Show Spoiler + 13 GlowingBear - hahahahaha not read anything he wrote <3 + Show Spoiler + 14 LightningStrike - aprehensive, probably not 16 VayneAuthority 17 boxerfred super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO! Bill murray was explained, the spoilered people were people I was super hesitant to put on the list but also felt like they deserved to be there for some reason, ritoky was because of the mass buddying and he hadn't done much at all at the start of the game, although I felt like the buddying may actually be towny in the end, shockeyy's posts screamed of newbie and I don't really read them well but it seemed honest, hence the spoiler, so i left it there because i often am wrong on newbies that post silly things (didn't read his past games either). Onegu/fidei/mig were self explanatory, none of them had done anything in the game at all. GB i just didn't read and LS I had some kind of new meta going at the start of the game that he didn't end up fulfilling at the end of the day but he was at the start (the meta was that he posts a shit tonne of afk excuses and he said he was going for a nap at that point after just sleeping, it is what it is), va/bf also hadn't really posted at all. It was a shitty list (probably has 3 mafia in it though so not that shitty!) On June 17 2015 23:07 Holyflare wrote: also ls is kind of starting to fill this new ls mafia meta read that i have going, i'll see how it progresses after his nap It was after this list that Boxerfred started posting and I hated everything that he posted. When he did post those things that were flat out wrong, I knew from last game that he struggled to get his points across so I tried MULTIPLE times to get him to either re-evaluate or admit he was wrong or just flat out rescind what he said or do SOMETHING different. + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 01:14 Holyflare wrote: whether i follow or am capable of changing my meta or not is irrelevant because that post is nothing about how i am playing and everything about how rsoul was playing and misrepresenting my play to make some bs scum read on me not sure how you can make that post and not realise that On June 18 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: i try and change but always fall into the same spammy nature eventually either way your giant post says: i'm mafia because i am aware of my meta and pointed out someone lying about past games to "fake" a read on me i'm mafia because i posted that after i posted a small reply to a big post you should be coming to the opposite conclusion on the first line since i'm pointing out people doing scummy things - lying (but for some reason you ignore that and say it's scummy i know my meta?) and the second line isn't even true since it comes AFTER i made my vote and wasn't even in response to the big post since it was posted at the exact same time she posted the big one then you say i could be town if i stick to my meta lol!??! how does knowing my meta relate to your read on me at all? IF i did something the same way 3 games in a row and someone says i didn't do that and i'm scummy for not acting the same way then i can't really comprehend how you could even make your case to begin with it pretty much makes me think you just picked a filter and decided to scum read someone and then forgot about what actually happened in their filter altogether and it's pretty scummy On June 18 2015 05:23 Holyflare wrote: ^ post that boxerfred has a problem with ^ post STRAIGHT AFTER THAT POST THAT OBVIOUSLY RELATES TO RSOULS BIG POST are you really going to be that disingenuous boxerfred? On June 18 2015 05:25 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=30#591 there's no way somebody reading the thread can get that confused it's like 2 posts separating it On June 18 2015 05:27 Holyflare wrote: not to mention if you think my reaction is the scummiest then why on earth did you not even question or mention glowingbear sheeping that post you disliked and voting rsoul? or anyone else? During this time that Boxerfred AFK'd there was this whole LightningStrike situation where he was making a read on someone and said it was a weak read and wanted opinions on it but then it changed to a strong read and he didn't need opinions and then it changed to a really strong read all based on the SAME posts, it was extremely weird and I tried to make him reason it out but then he decided that it was better to make up a timeline of events that didn't happen (probably forget I guess) and then claim blue........ silly LS never do that again please. Anyway, ls always claims blue as blue so I thought nothing more of that whole situation other than trying to calm down kelsier and other people that were pushing him for it. Rsoul kept posting more annoying bs and I defended it while she repeatedly kept posting crappy stuff. I then saw that someone was getting replaced and thought it was either mig with 0 posts or bm with 0 posts (thought it was more likely bm since he was one of the ones that was last to confirm) On June 18 2015 03:50 Holyflare wrote: either mig or bill murray yeh the reason is that they both had to have /confirmed to play the game and doing that meant they had time to play, hts just asked for only ONE replacement near the start of the game which likely meant someone got their role pm and was like fuck this lets replace at this point boxerfred was 2 hours past his time that he said he'd return to talk about his read: On June 18 2015 04:26 Holyflare wrote: so boxerfreds 2 hours has long past ##unvote ##vote boxerfred On June 18 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote: let's all just bypass this whole discussion and lynch the real mafia, boxerfred! thanks On June 18 2015 05:04 Holyflare wrote: like the only people to comment on boxerfreds posts are nydus and rsoultin, shame on all of you thought it was pretty damn suspicious that it was such a great case on him and basically nobody had said a single word on it at all, so I tried to force people to comment on it for the readz™ my case below outlined my thoughts: + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote: reasons during this time glowingbear joined my wagon after asking "should he sheep me", this gave me terrible flashbacks to game of thrones where he did the same exact thing and was mafia, he was even denouncing the other wagon he was sheeping me on while sheeping me. It felt very uneasy, that was where my first real suspicion arose with GB. Then, GB proceeded to do absolutely nothing the entirety of the day. I then quizzed him on this and told him to do something and he further did absolutely nothing. I said to at least look at my boxerfred case if you're going to do shit all and he then decided to reject the entire case WHILE SAYING HIS POINTS WERE BETTER but his point was ONLY based on boxerfred's first post. I tried to make people see this the entirety of the night I was pushing him and got promptly ignored multiple times. He also called my reasons bad but decided to use my reasons in his post. I thought this was super disingenuous and it looked like those people that make up new reads to join an existing wagon to look like he was fitting in with reads but to me it just looked like super mafiaish posts. (hipster mafia). So the tunnel of GB began hardcore. During this time even though LS had claimed blue he was saying the scummiest crap like I hadn't done anything all game and that he didn't remember anything and that all I did was something irrelevant. He also said he was listening to what Mig had said on boxerfred when I had talked about boxerfred for like the entire day. It meant he hadn't read the thread at all. It was super mean and scummy and it made me pretty paranoid at the time. I didn't like it one bit. There was another alarm bell at this point where Damdred yet again defended someone else that set me to watch him like a hawk: On June 18 2015 07:08 Holyflare wrote: i've never seen a town lightningstrike make such absurd statements as he has just made and throwing out arbitrary scum reads he can't possible think are correct Damdred posted his scum read of fidei which I thought could be plausible since I forgot about him entirely but then rsoultin super hard defended me and discredited my fake mason claim at the start of the game super hard, it was pretty obvious they were masons together from that point forward (wifom alert, I would have killed them super easily if i was mafia since nobody even seemed to notice), it kinda made me less wary of damdred because he had a scum read but not towny looking since fidei was a mason and it was the only thing damdred had done that wasn't that scummy all day. kelsier started harassing ls with me and it was totally justified because ls scum read me with the guy I was pushing while saying mig said it first lol, was really really bad and scummy and not like an LS i've ever seen (hence damdred defence's looked bad). LS was also never responding to me after I asked him questions like 5 times. god reading all this shit again makes me think ls is scum even though he's not -.- On June 18 2015 07:22 Holyflare wrote: so despite you using the read of "when hf and rsoultin bicker one of them is mafia" you don't remember any of the talks between myself and rsoultin and can't make any judgement then using generic meta reads on people like your onegu "can't claim vt any more" and the bickering thing and defending bf as being new without reading any of his posts and trying to shut down an argument you now believe mig put forward?????? if you remember me going after boxer why the hell did you say mig said the stuff which made you read boxer when i've been writing that all day, you'd think you'd want to read someone you've been scum reading right? On June 18 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote: i've been talking about boxer the entire game and everyone repeatedly ignores him for absolutely no reason so either hop on my wagon or not because this train is going to lynchville i'm still just going to interrogate people i don't think make sense since every time i rely or falter in a read it's because i trusted someone else's read ^damdred defends ls while saying he's wrong again +++ alarm On June 18 2015 07:41 Holyflare wrote: not put much thought into it really since my hedging you made some weird read on damd/gb and defended ls and that's about it so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ for now fenced ritoky some more due to mind meld + lack of pushes then yamato replaced (didn't realise it was yamato) and he does shit all so i thought he was scummy (bit biased since he replaced BM) and he gave out 3 silly town reads which I now found out was a joke so meh, On June 18 2015 07:45 Holyflare wrote: yeh possibly super deja vu with the sheeping me but being hesitant about following my sheep at the same time like game of thrones ^ outline the gb scum thing again gb refuses to do shit and ignores scummy people that have posted to go for lurkers which was terrible play and seriously hindering the game On June 18 2015 08:45 Holyflare wrote: The only thing you have mentioned about boxerfred is his entrance joke post. That's super superficial of you and is disingenuous to say you have been commenting on him and also everyone being talked about you won't lynch. When did you evolve into someone that refused to talk about reads just because didn't want to lynch them?? On June 18 2015 08:47 Holyflare wrote: Like you literally lectured bugs about how we should be open and talk about all the reasons for reading everybody a certain way and now you say you don't want to talk about them. Hahahahaha gb, your team full of afkers? it was super hypocritical of him since he lectured bugs about talking about everyone while doing nothing, it ws super scummy in my eyes, tunnel +++++ lvl 3. On June 18 2015 09:34 Holyflare wrote: yeh you haven't said shit about bf other than his first post so there's that fidei also appeared and started posting reads, they weren't even bad and I liked them: On June 18 2015 09:41 Holyflare wrote: also fidei keep doing what you're doing i'm kind of ok with it so he went off my list On June 18 2015 11:16 Holyflare wrote: uhhhhhhhhhh are you batty or what? it's NOT a town perspective to be told that you are wrong repeatedly and that was not how the post was made and he ignores it to still call me mafia and go back to afking (afking for long periods being his mafia meta btw), even if he thought this was scummy why did he not comment on you sheeping it at all since that would be far far far far far worse than me saying it AND THEN HE GIVES ME AN OUT IN HIS NEXT POST LOL he wasn't skimming when making a case on me since you know you have to actually have posts in mind to make a case, if you are defending him saying he doesn't give a shit and rambled a case off the top of his head without thinking then guess what alignment does that more >_> read the thread, he clearly states his entire post is useless if i actually do play to that meta because then he said i would be town so he basically already countered his entire post and only returned to continue doing pushing the SAME point -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- there's far more points than just that that i made gb was defending boxerfred's point of view AND THEN PUSHING HIM FOR HIS FIRST POST AFTER THAT -.- -.- -.- -.- -.- scum read tunnel+++++++++++++++++ lvl 19404190149 this was also when ls made his read 1000% sure based on the same posts lol, it was funneh times ritoky also pointed out that gb made a read on va that didn't update or feature in his future list at all ++++++ ritoky points and ------- gb points it was at this point that i decided to go full tunnel in thread on gb, breshke was posting some sincere questions towards ls and was getting sick reads and gb came in with arbitrary shit questions and ended that question spree from breshke, he also defended ls with some bs that he accused him for a couple of pages back: On June 18 2015 15:13 Holyflare wrote: Nitpicking uselessly at breshke asking ls to explain himself more thoroughly and elaborate on more points. You asked him the most retarded question which just blatantly threw him off kilter from that line of thought WHILE TELLING LS THAT HE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND LOOKS SCUMMY. Like how on earth do you defend ls while saying he looks scummy while attacking the guy who is trying to make the scummy looking guy divulge more info. You don't unless you aren't thinking and are instead just saying things for the sake of saying them. like gb was telling breshke off for asking gb's scum read ls questions that would elaborate ls' alignment and then gb just town read ls when i accused him of doing this like 2 pages later he then lied about him calling ls scum: On June 18 2015 15:27 Holyflare wrote: Pretty much the entire page of you needlessly nitpicking at the guy you're now telling me is totally townie for things that existed before you made this page of posts. On June 18 2015 15:33 Holyflare wrote: This new chain of events is: Ls chas 8 pages of filter Gb does shit all Hf calls him out Gb says he'll do stuff Gb doesn't do stuff Gb goes hipster and denounces all bf reads while imploring that his bf read of his first post is the best read Gb pointlessly asks useless questions to ls and breshke that lead to nothing Hf calls out gb for ls bs reads page Gb says ls gets town pass cz 8 pages of filter and blue claim Hf laughs at the bs false time line of events and lies at this point nothing short of hell freezing over would ever stop me pushing gb, there were far too many agregious things that he had done: On June 19 2015 01:01 Holyflare wrote: "you guys are doing nothing to make a lynch happen" "I'm not going to read a case on active people" - mafia gb 2015 Would 100% lynch yamato now that he's revealed too btw he also complained we weren't doing anything to push a lynch and then refusing to read anything at all relating to lynching an active person (also yamato had posted complete shit and afk'd again so i thought he was likely mafia too, like why replace into a big game if you aren't going to play it kind of read). On June 19 2015 01:25 Holyflare wrote: Also gb how on earth am i supposed to know you're town? You're pushing basically 0 people. You complain about thread not consolidating and then just make arbitrary lists of low content posters while exclaiming you just won't read actual cases on people. You said you were gonna sheep me and did while exclaiming your dislike for the wagon based on 0 reasons (on rsoul, identical to you as mafia in got) you then just did absolutely nothing till i forced you to and have still done nothing. You're all about getting the thread to do stuff while doing no stuff and picking out weird things that don't make people mafia to push on with these weird fake questions too. Please explain to me how that should equate to a town gb. more tunnelz at this point bugs rolls up and tell's me the bf case is crappy and i instantly hate him for it but, yet again, he outlines why he doesn't like it and i'm like omg bugs fuck you and your shit posts that have decent reasons behind them, it was actually enough to throw me off kilter from my bf case and chase down gb to the ends of the earth. It helped a lot that bugs was also pushing him because i felt more vindicated that someone i town read was feeling the same way. At this point we discuss the points on GB, bugs brings his own and i post my super summarised + missing stuff version: On June 19 2015 04:07 Holyflare wrote: Well it's on my last page of filter? Pretty much pushed gb all last night. Summary is: Hypocritical outlook on the game between you and himself Sheeps me while expressing disdain for the sheep (game of thrones meta same) Reads + questions that don't get followed up, aka va stuff etc (scum read on me completely vanished too) Started to afk and not do shit Got called out by me and still didn't do shit apart from asking me useless questions Said boxerfed read was shit, stayed on wagon anyway because of his read on boxerfreds first post???? Randomly nitpicked ls for no reason and then gave him a town pass for stuff that ls had already done before the nitpicking Says game is bad because no consolidation but just flat out refuses to even read cases on scummy people did no scum hunting while complaining about no consolidation Lurker cop out reasoning Misrepresents you and breshke hardcore Fake rage (game of thrones meta same) Probably shit tonne more that i forgot but this is top of my head boxerfred also said he was super busy that's why he hadn't played as much and I was willing to let that slide since if he didn't pick up the activity or it felt just as shit the next cycle there's no harm lynching him then (felt this applied to shockey too when someone asked me), also gb tunnel level was maximum. GB then defended himself from the lynch by posting the exact things he did as mafia in game of thrones, "why would i do this if i'm mafia" "no this was definitely not my intention as mafia, here is my wrong town reasoning here", "no hf i asked you my mafia reasons for doing this and you gave them to me but you're wrong because these are my town intentions!!" it didn't make any sense and didn't identify and get rid of any of the suspicions i had on him, it was also super duper fucking frustrating that throughout the lynch rsoultin was shutting down all of these points because she hadn't actually read the thread properly to understand them (got super frustrated with her post lynch because of it and then she went "ohhh yeh" and gb was like "ohhh yeh you're right!" and then i just flipped out and left). Anyway during the lynch, i was definitely caught up by mig's super shit switch and his questiona bout boxerfred's latest post. Everyone and their mother had called it towny and then he decided that his scum read on GB that he'd had all game and even though he expressed gb was very likely mafia doing mafia things, mig decided randomly that boxerfred's post that everyone liked was bad and switched to save gb. I thought they were 100% a team together and I wanted to lynch the shit out of them. I've also now lost whatever page of my filter I was on so I'm just going to wing it with my memory and be quoteless. I thought Mig and GB were mafia together. LS then did his stupid unclaim during the night and I was like "hey that's like... wtf i'm out of here" since nobody even mentioned it for ages. I eventually calmed down a bit and thought it was generic ls being sorry town ls rescinding crap. I expected everyone to feel the same. GB DID feel the same. He even said so. So I went into the next day thinking a few things: GB is 100% mafia and I hate absolutely everyone in this game for ignoring me. Mig is very very damn likely mafia for his stupid switch and no reasoning for it after scum reading GB. Shockeyy's vote was also similar but he was writing hidden url= posts that were saying things like "if gb switches to me he's 100% mafia" and things like that. I didn't want people to see it since i thought it was pretty towny but I guess it pocketed me a bit too much. So this is when the day started going so incredibly downhill. I had calmed down on rsoultin a bit after her trashy defending GB without reading and then we started agreeing about things Mig was doing. The switch was just too weird so we both concluded that he was very likely mafia. We then started exploring other avenues. This is where it got bad. Everytime I would start on another scum read GB would return to the thread and systematically shut down anything I was putting forward. Absolutely every time. I even pleaded with him that if all he was going to do was shit fight with me then he should leave the thread and if he thought I was mafia then he should make a case. He refused to do this. I was very annoyed. VERY VERY ANNOYED. Then, every time rsoultin and I mentioned Mig and his mafia motivation GB decided to say: "NO GUYS YOU ARE WRONG IT'S CLEARLY TOWN MOTIVATED AND THIS IS WHY BLA BLA BLA" I kept thinking, fuck off GB that's atrocious why are you clearly being this scummy to someone scummy already, stop being shit. It was super frustrating. So then people started to see it being a one sided shit fight where GB was making himself look awful and the wagon was forming on him pretty rapidly. I was happy with that, I thought that it would completely solve the game if he just flipped and was telling him even if he was town he had to die for the info and he just kept refusing. At this point I had to go out to fill out some forms/work and go to my GF's so was pretty busy travelling etc. Then, while I was just browsing on my phone I was like fuck this that's a mafia claim if i've ever seen one but then I read the rest of the post and he mentioned that he had a green check on Mig. I kind of just went along with the yamato lynch purely because a) I wasn't around and b) because I thought he was scummy anyway so didn't pay much attention to it I was like..... "fuck"........ it all makes sense now. He had hard defended Mig all day and the world was kinda like "wtf this doesn't make a single bit of sense then who the hell is mafia". So I dropped it for the night hoping it would resolve itself and if he was cop he'd probably die anyway. Turns out he didn't and he came out with a BS check on me. I knew it would be a fucking pain to defend myself while working and not being at home so I decided that the best course of action was simply to allow myself to get lynched. I knew that if I flipped miller he'd likely be the cop and then we could all get on with our lives but I thought to myself the most likely explanation was that I was town and he was mafia and I was trying to downplay that situation so that we wouldn't shit fight about it. I tried to make cases on him so that when I did flip (what I thought was likely to be town) people wouldn't just go full fucking retard and believe something like him saying "oh no he must have been framed" when it was entirely unlikely that I would be. The more I wrote about him the more I hated everything he had posted though so I was getting more and more tunneled and eventually came up with the idea that "shit maybe I was role copped and actually came back miller" or some funky shit was happening. So I told people that even if I flip miller GB is very likely mafia and you shouldn't let him live. It was at this point that Mig claimed tracker. I felt.... a massive sigh of relief. Like everything I had done was vindicated and I was happily just going to watch GB die and flip mafia. VA coming out kind of confirmed it but I was also fucking dumb and didn't see that Mig didn't claim a name with his track. Rsoultin was posting stuff about why Mig couldn't be tracker but honestly I looked at what she was saying and it didn't make that much sense and I was all in a haze and wanted to believe I was correct, for ego's sake. Oh yeh, during my cases on GB I also remembered all that stuff about Damdred that I disliked and made cases on him etc. to make sure that if I died (what I wanted but not really) at the time then people could just sheep me and probably win the game or at least be like "holyflare confirmed town cz of flip let's read what he said about other people" I like when people do that. So, mig died and I didn't do much. Pretty burnt out at this point but I know there's another few lylo's where I had to defend myself. It's pretty fucking annoying really. Then the next lylo hit and everyone was just afking and then returning to say things like "yeh holyflare is mafia because of the red check despite me thinking everything he had posted is towny" that was the single most frustrating thing I had encountered in a game in a long long while (perhaps the most) I didn't want to get mislynched for a second time ever (I aint no scrub) and fidei, even though he said he wanted to win, didn't listen to a word of reason and didn't want to read the game or any of my past games and was blindly defending people. It really annoyed me so I tried anything I could to plead with him. He said it was bad??? and that annoyed me further, I knew I had to make cases on people but when people call me mafia I just tunnel on myself defending myself, it's annoying yeh...Either way, I knew I had to snap out of it so I was kinda lost at this point. I realised to myself that Onegu had just tunneled LS all game and then afk'd for 48/24 hours at a time only to return at the deadline of a lylo and push something aggressively mafia favoured. It also started to happen again. I made my case on him and implored everyone to read it. They chronically ignored it like the plague. I was so so so fucking angry at this point that I just spammed it. Nobody listened still. They all jumped to shockey still and I read his past mafia games in the database and all his mafia games were like 1-2 pages and here he had 7. I also remembered all the inconsistencies he was mentioning about damdred posting that he town read shockey and then switched to scum reading him for no reason. I remembered the hidden url's and I saw that absolutely the entire game was sitting afk on him for no reason. I thought this was a massive mislynch and screamed to the heaven's that people shouldn't waste the game on a lynch like this and to switch to Onegu who at this point had mainted still playing dota for the entire game to say nothing. He returned and randomly decided to scum read me (after town reading me that same day) and it was obvious he was trying to push the final mislynch on me because he saw that people were just scum reading me because of the red check and it would be easy to push people onto me. Then he started trying to drown out my cases and ruxxar's cases with incessant spam and then switched to shockey. At this point damdred returned from out of the blue and also voted shockey and I was like fuck... how obvious a mislynch do you need and implored people to switch. People were like "ok" and all was right with the world and then they just didn't switch. I was heartbroken/stressed to the max/annoyed as fuck and he flipped mafia and I waslike "oh whoops" while simultaneously being burnt out as shit from the spam and realising that I have to defend myself while at work which I just couldn't really do for another 72 hours. I didn't really want to fucking do it but here I am posting this giant town case wall on myself where I've left out absolutely almost everything I thought during the game and I dunno why i'm doing it. I am town, do not lynch me. Lynch onegu. I will try and force out some more cases. Just realise he doesn't give a shit. He plays dota and spouts out nonsense at every critical part of the game where he was needed to form an opinion. He returns after 48 hours afking like clockwork to push a mislynch or wrong info or berate people for mislynching someone. He formed town reads on people he couldn't possibly have for no reason (yamato, ironically the person he berated people for mislynching) he's now trying to push a mislynch on me. LS' meta read is wrong because onegu tries when it's possible for him to win as mafia and now that it is he's actually posting longer posts, it's bull shit, when have you ever seen him do that Never. His partner is probably damdred but ruxxar is also suspicious. I'll have a think about it after. I'll probably need to re-read -.- but ruxxar's post about someone helping mig mislynch gb said he needed mafia help and then ruxxar ignored onegu as the help for mig for no reason, it might actually be him but i'll see | ||
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On July 01 2015 02:48 Holyflare wrote: You want a real read of who is mafia? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Rrl7hEi.png) this guy he sits on dota 24/7 and everytime some discussion comes up he sits there playing some dota some more on teamspeak doing shit all to help or do anything, he can't be fucked to play and yes he sometimes doesn't play as town but he never does it to ruin the game or not play like he does now, he's also got a shadow who he is supposed to be teaching about the game, there is no way onegu plays like shit on purpose to teach a guy what he's thinking ever. EVER you should be lynching this guy and I HATE resorting to out of game information but honestly nobody seems to give a shit when I write actual cases on people and suddenly when I stop you actually give a shit that I'm NOT making cases on people, I'm really sick of it, I have 34 pages of filter of scum hunting and you don't care about it all you care about is the fact that I have a red check and you don't want to read the game. On July 01 2015 03:00 Holyflare wrote: ^ is he doing stuff? has he done stuff? no, he even said so himself he'd have to do stuff and has not followed that metric at all to summarise onegu's play: day 1 - calls a lot of people town and that's it, says he will policy lynch ls but thinks he is town <------ calling people town (mafia trait), a policy lynch when there's obviously better things to do and he knows better (mafia trait) all day 1 he keeps saying this too: day 2: translates policy lynch into ls being scum lynch but doesn't even believe himself and afk's through the day defends scummy people out of the blue for no reasons still has a town read on gb post flip hate on people for mislynching after doing nothing himself and randomly town reading yamato, still town reads gb filter littered with afk excuses blabla many more but the point is he isn't here 48 hours at a time and even when he is here he still has excuses to post sheeps gb's reads etc etc etc says i'm mafia votes for me votes gb his town read over me his scum read hahahahahaha, reason was to "consolidate", yeh right is proven not reading the thread and calls va mafia after he claimed jk and a shot was blocked more afk excuses then he doesn't even follow his train of thought and instead town reads me because he knows i would absolutely destroy him On July 01 2015 03:01 Holyflare wrote: it's not a coin flip at all if you read his filter, or anyone's filter for that matter he sticks to his policy all game and converts it into a scum read based on absolutely nothing he doesn't know what is happening in the game and just responds to individual points at random that have no bearing on anything he town reads a lot of people for nothing and afk's again a shit tonne of afk excuses and lies about catching up and then doing nothing he TOWN READS GB ALL GAME AND THEN LYNCHES HIM LOL he doesn't even stick to his reads in order to push a mafia agenda On July 01 2015 03:02 Holyflare wrote: + plays dota and sits on teamspeak doing more nothing instead of playing the game, ESPECIALLY at critical times, only returns at deadlines to sheep mafia partners (mig) or complain about the lynch going wrong On July 01 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote: yes I do check and i've seen you repeatedly online playing and sitting in teamspeak and sometimes i join and talk to you when you aren't writing anything in this game at all, I told you i've been checking regularly and you made a post about it once when i joined and dc'd On July 01 2015 03:15 Holyflare wrote: you lynched your town read for the entire game who was the cop for no other reason than to consolidate with 2 of your scum reads and your town reads scum reads, yeh that's totally a bad reason also i'm going back to my damdred scum read purely for being underwhelming at lylo when he said he would be playing MORE + Show Spoiler + Damdred - Well, I already know rsoultin's opinion on Damdred but I'm going to throw that out the window since when I trust other people's opinions it always leads to mega catastrophe so I'm not going to lie. Damdred looks like mafia to me. When I think back to all the posts that I remember from him this game all I remember him doing is defending absolutely everybody and then mass afking - even when his internet was fixed he was afking. On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote: Town: Ls Nhm Rsoul Damdred Ritoky Town leans Kel Gb Breske This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls Within the first almost hour or two within the game he's already got a town list of 8 people which is a) ridiculous and b) not something that makes sense because all of his reads are based on really watery substance which aren't real metrics to read people by. Sure, it could just be damdred "doing his style" (don't think so) and it might mean nothing to you guys but it does to me, I didn't have nearly that many town reads that quickly. On June 17 2015 09:32 Damdred wrote: You are trying to jump on me for not explaining reads when I've explained a few in,thread even when I'm just bob phone posting. Instead of waiting, like the explanation of ls etc. Everything I right has some value. ^ by the way, when your internet is out why didn't you post at all on your phone since you did that repeatedly at the start of the game and not at all when it went down? Now. What led me to be suspicious (at least in the back of my mind) of Damdred were his crazy defences of people both before they had replied to the situation and also with things that didn't make sense: On June 17 2015 13:15 Damdred wrote: Well HF here's the thing, generally you do a lot of things early to stimulate discussion I do see the point RS makes in that regard and you don't do it all the time however. But either way its not alignment indicative and well lets be honest you are a scary person to read d1 usually. I just don't care if ik wrong on you till later or better players catch you lol. But besides that I don't think its alignment indicative that RS pushed on you for doing nothing, I wanted to push on you to to engage. It happens you are engaged I think you are town. Which I'm glad of currently. Rs is always stubborn and bangs her head against the brick wall when people come against her like this, especially as town not usually as scum as she's generally a bit more accompdating. In fact she somewhat did the same thing in ippo mafia when people called her out for a few reasons like attitude etc., shit fights galore. I think it is alignment indicative that RS is acting like this and she's town. besides that her reads come from a pretty safe place where her scum reads would be a bit more... Strange if that makes sense, its hard for me to quantify like this, but for instance when I gave a read on people instead of being like. Damdred could be scum but this person is town for his read. She's seperatly evaluating people to their own merit. Sadly I won't be able to use this point again but it is what it is. The point against rsoultin was very solid and I even proved that with my past 3 games where I did nothing. Any person that had read those games or been in them or knew of them would know I didn't really do anything and even if they weren't they can just click the links and see that was the case. So, why, is Damdred defending rsoultin in such a massive wall of text when I had given evidence that was quite conclusive - someone lied about meta to get a scum read on someone else? This post looks pretty much like a typical mafia defence since it bypasses the ACTUAL points I raised (the lying about the meta) and made new ones that he defended her with (even I was going to push you for doing nothing!) which doesn't make any sense in the context since damdred is defending rsoultin for things that didn't happen and then the next time he posts anything really substantial it's more defending of people and this time it's LS. Also, remember how he said he'd defend LS and then never did ever? That was a thing. On June 18 2015 07:05 Damdred wrote: So can we stop picking on LS before drastic things happen?!? But seriously LS I got you bud, don't worry partner. On June 18 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Now I don't think that's a fair thing to say about HF there LS. Hes been pretty confrontational this guy and in the middle of the field from what I've been reading. However LS is still town, and i'd rather stop talking about that and get back to talking about Fied or even box. THIS IS ALL HE DID DAY 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loads of town reads, defending people for crappy reasons before they even reply and then also ignoring what he said earlier in the day (sheeping hf or ritoky) he voted for boxerfred out of the blue! Then massive afking right until the deadline day 2 where he defends another player after not being able to read the thread??????? (GB) and then says he's only like 70% sure gb is town after defending him so hard and then proceeds to afk again. lol. ^ shockeyy top town for this too I think he's very likely mafia. Even with the long spates of afking he looked like mafia defending everyone. I think he has had one scum read this entire game that he's pushed but didn't even push it. requoting+ added extra | ||
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onegu: hf is town, ls tmi bla bla bla thread: think hf is town but red check so probably mafia! onegu: hf definitely mafia! onegu: lynch hf omg totally caught out of nothing despite town read all day! lynch lynch over scum, easiest mislynch unite! | ||
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On July 04 2015 04:44 Holyflare wrote: Also if you look at the series of events that transpired yesterday: onegu: hf is town, ls tmi bla bla bla thread: think hf is town but red check so probably mafia! onegu: hf definitely mafia! onegu: lynch hf omg totally caught out of nothing despite town read all day! lynch lynch over scum, easiest mislynch unite! it should be obvious what happened, just read his filter from the start of yesterday to now and see if that was a believable sequence of events (hint: it's not) | ||
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On July 03 2015 08:27 Damdred wrote: At the same time what I said before about hf pushing the alternative wagon of oneg with shockey doesn't seem like something scum hf would do. Also refusing to switch to me when the vote was like 5-3-1 fid could of switched to me and things could of happened. So doesn't make sense not going doe the win there either. He did push mig a bit to which is a little non indicative for him. Like it doesn't make sense for someone trying to win the game with a red check,around his neck.. On July 03 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote: I'm just running off at the mouth and putting whatever I think out there. D1 HF Pushes a lynch on box. This is alignment null in a void, he then changed his mind when he thinks,he sees a better lynch in gb. This is a plus I think for him and at this point makes me think that it's a bit towny. I don't see much,mafia motivation to be so active and push 2 town wagons. Meta wise I think as scum hf is a bit lazier when there's no cred to gain and it's two town up. This is partially bad meta and is mostly from experiences with him. D2 his switch off gb and into tomato after not,believing gbs claim is still a bit strange to me. And I think it's a pretty big red flag to,an extent. D3 is not alignment indicative as he was voting to save his own life. D5- makes me lean town this day, no idea why scum hf would do this. Is a bit wifom,but goes for 0 cred so unless we have a tripple bus going on which isn't out of,the question it makes me think,he's more town. Today has a been a bit lackluster. My gut to some of,these facts coupled with a framer flip and a few other things make,me want to lean town but he makes me scared as he'll. On July 04 2015 02:40 Damdred wrote: Ok so my vote is place holder so don't freak out hf. I will be here for deadline and most of today, I'm still not convinced your scum totally. I feel much worse about rux a bit honestly, every post he makes just feels off to me and like he's trying to discredit a bit to an extent idk I need to think about if but if one of you and oneg aren't scum o kinda think it gas to be rux here explain how these all align please, it just looks like you're following ls to push my mislynch atm | ||
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On December 23 2014 05:34 Holyflare wrote: Table of Contents - (click to go to relevant section) Preface Section 1 - The Reads
Section 2 - The Conclusions plz nolynch Preface I thought I'd make a nicely formatted post with a collection of all my thoughts. It might get a little intense for you people that don't like to read the thread. It might blow your mind with information that you didn't think existed. You may get a little jaded and think "how the hell can he think that!" but at least give it a read because there's things that have been slipping by that people have not noticed. People that weren't even considered to be mafia that may actually be mafia after all. Hopefully this post will break it down for you. I'm putting in a considerable amount of time into this post so don't throw it all away just because you're convinced I'm mafia because of useless crap being pushed by lazy people that aren't reading the game or people that are actually mafia (explanation on last point later). If there are 4 mafia left then you can absolutely not lynch me today for information because today could well be lylo. Back to Top Section 1 - The Reads (click names for filters) Half the Sky Somewhat of an unspoken enigma in this game, Half the Sky has been under the radar for a considerable portion of the game but almost never been pushed (until last night by me/vivax/sl). I know that i'm somewhat responsible for that, being lazy and in the limelight for centuries but that's no excuse for someone to skate on by and not be pressured like Half the Sky (HTS) has achieved. Her entry into the game is somewhat questionable now that bunnies has flipped town and I honestly forgot entirely about it. Seemingly everyone else did too. This post can now be seen in such a manor to appear like HTS KNEW that bunnies was town and slipped accordingly. She tried to explain that it was just her saying that she was female too but that is most definitely not what the post states. She effectively dodged the question about saying she was town too by ignoring it. The rest of her early filter is an excellent display of sheeping sentiment and posts that have already been stated and using them as her own reads, it's not much to go on in terms of the scheme of things but it's a case of "tell me something that I haven't heard before" syndrome where all the posts about reads are super obvious ones like me trying to push forward the game, kita looking like he's trying to solve the game, froggy "has 2 posts". None of it is analytical and when it does get slightly analytical it's based entirely on what other people said. The point is it's entirely not hard to do what she has done day 1 as mafia. It's also not exclusively scummy, as i'm sure people will be jumping with joy to point out but it's a great way for mafia to blend in. A better point to note for her day 1 is her progression of main scum reads and especially where her vote ended on day 1: HTS spent the entire day sheeping sentiment, copying the read that everyone had on bunnies and then continuing to be part of that wagon. She read my post on bunnies and stated: also that froggy's post was null She starts to compile the reasons that I already stated to add onto her bunnies scum read here but twists it towards adding on ritoky as a reason to scum read her too here: if you look at the post above with her null/scum reads froggy is listed as Null - (one post discussing policy and that's it) and her scum reads are bunnies and kush. Yet, bunnies does NOT adequately explain her list at all because as people stated multiple times in the thread people to look into do not sound like scum reads and iffy does not sound like null. Her list still existed, there were other points that made bunnies scummy pointed out by me, kita, vivax etc and instead of talking about those she ignored them all away by saying this: If HTS was sheeping me as she mentioned earlier that my points on bunnies were good then this was not an adequate reason to get off of bunnies at all. Especially as her vote ended up on froggynoddy over any of her ACTUAL scum reads like kush/ows etc etc. She went for a vote on someone who was null and had absolutely nobody discussing to lynch. She didn't put effort into solving alignments at all and she was quite quick to jump off the leading wagon for no good reason whatsoever. This is scummy and unexplained in her filter. Her day 2 is pretty unremarkable, it's like 1 page of filter where it says ritoky's case is full of holes on me and she shuts down gb's case of me and says ritoky is scummy but then ditches it for every leading wagon ever. Scum reads ritoky for terrible case on me, holes in play, present. Defends case against me. Ritoky doesn't gain traction but ff is starting to -> switches to ff. Tubesock gains traction for scum slip -> switches to tubesock. Kelsier starts to gain traction for trfl case -> switches to kelsier because she can't switch to me after dismissing gb's case. This is also where the crux of another argument begins (one I made previously). The reason she scum read tubesock was basically inactivity and the "slip" about 5 mafia members. However, in that day she said she would give him the benefit of the doubt yada yada. Then we lead on to my case on her from last night which nobody has even mentioned today bar SL and rsoul has completely dismissed for no reason whatsoever (surprise surprise, will get to that later). This was the case I made. It's pretty good. The only times HTS has really mentioned tube were to wagon onto him for being lazy/crazy/slipping but she said she'd give him the benefit of the doubt. She also commented on him another time to tell him that giving ultimatums between 2 players (himself and kelsier) isn't that great of a thing to do. So she definitely knows that in his repitoire of things that he's done tube has in fact made a lynch between himself and mafia and pushed kelsier in his conspiracy theory. Later in the game I make a case on templar. His only push this game was on TOWN tube (who now that tube has flipped town looks terrible because of when templar said he only wanted to push mafia after talking about tube being mafia all of day 2). Now, when you agree with a case on someone being mafia (and she said it was very compelling) your first instinct isn't that THEIR scum read is being bussed by their team mate usually. So now, she scum reads GB based on rsoul's case. GB was talking about templar only pushing tube which HTS said she agreed with and it looked scummy. Templar was only pushing tube which she agreed, looked scummy. Who does she end up voting for!??!?! THE PEOPLE HER SCUM READ WERE PUSHING!??!?!?!?! I don't understand in the slightest and her reason for switching that she posted today didn't make any sense These were her reasons for switching: Templar wagon was most definitely NOT quick, the tube wagon WAS SUPER QUICK but when push came to shove she didn't make that conusion and switch back to her actual scum read no and she most definitely could have by the way. She was all the merrier to stay on tubesock and lynch him despite her scum read pushing him ALL GAME. You don't go from 2 compelling cases on gb and templar to voting on who they are pushing EVER unless you are switching to set up a mislynch or divert the wagon off of your scum buddy. Also, yet again, her vote today is shying away from any of the wagons at all (me and templar). Templar should be EVEN MORE of a scum read today for her seeing as she would have priveleged information of what her alignment is and how the switch went down on tube. If she had those thoughts as town it wouldn't be particularly difficult for others to have those thoughts but she decides that xatalos is the scummy one and not actually templar whose case she still hasn't said she has disagreed with yet but isn't voting even though he is a second wagon. Conclusion: Mafia. TL;DR: Flitting between whatever lynch sentiment is on, following off of scum reads onto who scum reads push, leaving votes on wasted people, no original thoughts. Back to Top Oatsmaster Oats is literally a waste of space, HTS tried to make a case on oats being mafia which were based on absolutely 0 reasons that oats should be mafia (and she has completely dropped this since then???? +++oats/hts conspiracy) and I replied with this: Now he is doing it again today: His votes have also been unexplained/left outlying/meh all game. This is totally uncharacteristic for oats as any alignment in any game (although his mafia games tend to be lower content/post count filters) and really there's like nothing else to say other than the above because his filter is absent of absolutely anything. Unless he claims medic or something then he is very likely mafia. Back to Top Rsoultin This is the most controversial read of all and I'm going to basically base it entirely on his behaviour in a possible lylo situation and the day before the possible lylo situation because fuck talking about 26 pages of filter in one post. He's spent a long long long time scum reading GB as you all know very well (as some of you sheeped this read), I mean just literally read his plethora of posts on gb from like page 14+ of his filter???? This is an especially apt quote. He sees absolutely no reason for this behaviour to come from any towny whatsoever. There's also the fact that he agrees with my templar case, sees him as scummy, says there's only 1 or 2 points which are a bit strange which I pretty adequately explain (and he takes it as me being pissed at him for some reason). let's add SL to the scum read list he has because ignoring his joyful child claim that makes SL super towny is all the rage nowadays and is just adding to the giant list of everyone that rsoul wants to lynch. Solidifies that GB lied about something and he wants to lynch him: GB and templar are fine lynches votes templar cz might not be back (returns in like an hour!?) and then suddenly out of the blue despite 48 hours of discussion saying otherwise states that templar MIGHT JUST BE APATHETIC TOWN AND MIGHT ACTUALLY BE TOWN!?!?!?!?!!? ^ derails wagon nearing deadline, first display of hesitance for no reason (people not around to want to lynch me even though they are voting me already??) suddenly all the points where the templar could be leaning scummy for rsoul, all the points he's agreed with he suddenly COULD BE TOWN!???????? what the fuck, no, just no magically after this switch onto someone rsoul has never mentioned at all (tube) his read on gb disappears despite him catching him in a lie and seeing absolutely no town motivation from his moves, his read on sl disappears, his read on oats has suddenly become more clear despite being "undecided" on him for every cycle this game, his read on templar becomes a fucking POLICY LYNCH ON SOMEONE WHO ISNT HERE AND THEN SCUM READS ME FOR NOT BEING HERE BUT THAT'S NOT A POLICY LOL???????????????????????????????????? I'll tell you why this basically confirms him as scum. He takes all the points throughout the game that said DIDN'T make someone scummy and has combined them to make a read on me being scummy because that's where sentiment is. His read on me surviving 3 wagons he has already stated doesn't make anyone scum here: He says templar is a policy lynch after agreeing with the post as I said before and saying he was leaning scum to then saying he was suddenly probably town and now doesn't even feature as any read whatsoever other than policy. Let's not forget vivax died after he was starting to think rsoul was mafia for knowing that it was almost lylo and not lynching me or templar for info on our alignments but now suddenly when it actually COULD be lylo he wants to lynch me. I'm also null/leaning scum but i'm his vote???? Where did gb go his confirmed mafia who would most definitely give more info to my alignment, where did sl go his scummy read??? Why does he ignore my case on hts/templar/oats and just says i've been doing absolutely nothing this game???? Not to mention he adds ANOTHER PERSON to his potential list lynch. Fecalfeast, who he questions a green check on for a very long time and then says he'll base his read on posts alone but then completely abandons that at all and hasn't mentioned ff since then. Hint: he's mafia and now pushing a mislynch on someone that thread sentiment, from the people I think are town, want to push in lylo for the easy mislynch and win. His scum reads are: gb, me, sl, ff, oats, potentially xata............ -.- as many as he possibly can push tbh - also shuts down my read and sl's push on HTS based on no analysis other than a simple passing by comment lynch this mofo for pushing any mislynch he possibly can in what I now assume to actually be lylo Back to Top Sicklucker Dude claimed joyful child in the most honest way possible day 1 and the presents talk he had regarding his joyful child claim could only come from town imo. Has pushed me the entirety of the game since and not much else, probably why mafia decided to leave him alive. So much present wifom though but town read still, wish he wouldn't hate me so much especially after I tried to tell him that ritoky was mafia all of day 2 and he just shut me down  Back to Top Alakaslam Starting to forget he existed, his reads jump all over the place. Honestly a giant headache to read and he could be mafia and I could be wrong on one of the people but I just don't really care. I like that he wanted to lynch templar and he thought I was town etc etc, he looked pretty honest but today he has completely regressed and has decided to lynch me for some reason??? conclusion: no idea, looked towny most of the game but has fallen off a lot when he looks lost to me The_Templar The Templar case: Since the lynch switched off of him he has sat in the position with the most information in the game so far yet has provided absolutely no insight into what happened whatsoever, has processed nothing to do with the game. Solely said "why are people voting me" and then left after saying he didn't know what he was talking about. No idea how anyone can town read this guy whatsoever. Conclusion: Mafia so hard Back to Top Xatalos Just going to come out and say I sent the present to this guy, this guy sent it to fecalfeast. If mafia fake claimed vigi which apparently fecal is claiming they did then why on earth would mafia ever willingly send that information out into other peoples hands? I don't scum read fecal and I don't think it was a fake claim. Xata has also been pushing good points in regards to defending me because he knew I sent the present to him and was most likely town. Liked his defences from pushes all game. Has been a bit passive this game but the present things outweighs everything imo (unless ff and xata are mafia together but doubt it really) Back to Top LightningStrike Claimed ghost when no reason to. Not CC'd. Never lynch ever. Back to Top liancourt Why the fuck did you even sign up? Despite the annoyance he's up to date with the thread, didn't do his usual mafia crap of being behind and commenting on absolutely everything. Claimed vet all day 1. I can see him believing that his tone read is right on me and arguably has the only argument for me being mafia in this entire thread (despite it being wrong). Pretty confident he's town. Back to Top FecalFeast Very sure he was a green check despite any of rsoul's attempts to state otherwise. Trfel made no comment on anything individual that fecal had done the entire game but adamently town read him. Despite this, fecals play has been pretty underwhelming but the way he was handling the present claims etc seemed pretty towny (pretending to pass it away etc). Don't like that he's trolling this game with who to vote for and it's also actually kind of weird that he was trolling at the deadline between me and gb on who would be more angry and then got all serious and declared a switch to tube?? conclusion: lazy read of being town but lazyness prevails from actually reading him properly Glowingbear fuck you for making me actually put effort into this game agree with towny motivations that vivax stated against rsouls case somewhat biased because of rsoul been wrong all game so probably actually town case on me wasn't actually awful cz he did research and pushed a prolific town player over random easy mislynches has lied about things though but is dumb so can see that happening doing research into players near lylo (xata) Section 2 - The Conclusions Likely Mafia Team Rsoultin The_Templar Oats Half the Sky Likely Towny People Xata Lian SL GB LS Undecided Slam (probably should go to towny people) Fecalfeast (probably should do the same - need to read more) Guess who was in town in that list as scum? rsoultin, The Templar, and HTS herself who now currently hosting this game for us to play Mafia. A couple posts later in that game he showed a very similar attitude to this game when it came to Onegu: On December 23 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote: yeh i don't think i've ever put that much effort into a game at potential lylo so anyone that ever thinks i'm mafia #getfuckingrekt He also mafia sided hard in Student VIII he actually led the lynch there to Town Damdred that game and others in LYLO there. GET OFF ONEGU AND GO TO HF NYDUS AND RUX IDC WHAT YOU THINK OF ONEGU YOU LYNCH HF NOW! | ||
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On July 04 2015 05:08 LightningStrike wrote: Nydus and Rux switch to HF RIGHT NOW! I had decided to check out Carol bingo he did soft defended Ritoky and some of his other scum mates mainly Xata but he also was very Mafia siding that game as scum. Again he did hard mafia sided this entire game he can fake his anger easily as I had saw in Carol he even made a super large post as scum too here: Guess who was in town in that list as scum? rsoultin, The Templar, and HTS herself who now currently hosting this game for us to play Mafia. A couple posts later in that game he showed a very similar attitude to this game when it came to Onegu: He also mafia sided hard in Student VIII he actually led the lynch there to Town Damdred that game and others in LYLO there. GET OFF ONEGU AND GO TO HF NYDUS AND RUX IDC WHAT YOU THINK OF ONEGU YOU LYNCH HF NOW! and then you neglect the town games like the one where i shut down palmar's lynch on a mafia gb and wanted to lynch palmar who was a vigilante and he was going to shoot me and also scum read town yamato and basically scum read every town player and town read every mafia player? Being wrong or right does not make me mafia LS. You are also saying I "soft defend" my team mates but in no way shape or form was my defence of shockey "soft" it was indeed ridiculously hard. The last time I hard defended a mafia I was town (titanic I defended a vivax lynch and he was mafia). I've also made super large posts as town too? I fail to see how that is relevant to my alignment at all. | ||
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ls why are you throwing shit at me for meta you aren't even reading properly? does that post look anything like the post i just made? | ||
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hard defended lots of mafia, wanted to lynch only towny people. made wall of text cases on people and defences on myself (town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?user=Holyflare guardians A GAME YOU WERE IN LOL I hard defended toad from getting lynched and he was mafia WITH YOU (town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463513-world-heavyweight-championship-mafia-iii?user=Holyflare&view=all HARD DEFENDED MAFIA ALL GAME and jat won the belt, made massive posts at the end of the game too (town) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition?user=Holyflare&view=all titanic paint, hard defended mafia vivax, posted walls and walls and walls of text on why dp was mafia (town) | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/422313-newbie-mini-mafia-xlv?page=41#818 there is a game where i did a massive case too | ||
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