Mafia in the Himalayas - Page 12

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 01:08 GMT

#5070

The question that's on my mind right now is this:

Is it more likely that the person playing like scum is scum, or do you want to lynch a person that's playing like town, just because he has a reputation for being a good player?

I think you run into too many wifom scenarios and you can basically convince yourself to lynch any player if you apply that type of reasoning.

My brain is telling me that the most sensible option here is to lynch onegu, and I honestly can't find any counterpoints as to why not.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 02:18 GMT

#5075

On July 03 2015 10:17 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly Onegu is a very easy mislynch as town and honestly the fact that HF is even alive past Day 3(before it was announced that he got red checked) means he more likely to be scum than Town esp given his reputation. He had done similar here to Carol and Ippo when he was scum trust me he can shit post a ton as scum. I would rather lynch HF than Onegu at this point.
##Vote: Holyflare

You say that Onegu is an easy mislynch, but do you think his play is scummy or towny?

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 02:19 GMT

#5076

And I mean without looking at meta.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 02:47 GMT

#5078

Ok but think about this LS.

When you play the game of mafia, you will most likely play more games as town than as mafia correct?
The easiest play a person can do is to keep their meta consistent regardless of alignment.
So wouldn't it make sense that the way onegu plays now is the same way he plays as both mafia and town?

If you look at his scum games, are they very different from his town games?

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 03:16 GMT

#5079

Actually nvm I'll go look up his games myself.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 04:26 GMT

#5082

On July 03 2015 12:30 Onegu wrote:
Ruxxar is like 90% final scum to me.

I'm really thankful for your very good explanation of this statement....
No really, thank you.

Like seriously, you keep saying this like you're some Jedi trying to convince us with mind tricks.
I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry at this point, since you keep throwing this at me with no reason except OMGUS.
Right now I have a very hard time taking anything you say seriously.

Oh and I'm 90% sure onegu is scum too.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 11:26 GMT

#5091

On July 03 2015 14:06 Onegu wrote:

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Explained why I think you are scum already. Plus PoE. And Onegu rule.

It's ok you don't know what the Onegu rule is but you have been rekt by it.

Let me guess..

You're going to tell me you play like shit on purpose to catch people trying to mislynch you?
Yeah... No.
I don't buy it.
That's a terrible way to play since one will ever know if you're town or not.
All we have is your word for it, and your word means nothing to me with the way you've been playing.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 11:36 GMT

#5092

I think it's funny how onegu was making up this crazy scenarios about LS being scum that was framed and HF being framed.
Why would anyone believe such an unlikely thing?
I don't think any town person would ever think that is a reasonable scenario.
Then suddenly I see framer flip and it starts making sense that onegu thought the way he did.
It's not a stretch for scum to make up scenarios like that when they have perfect information.
They get blindsided by how unreasonable it is, and think "sure a framer is possible."

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 13:07 GMT

#5094

I honestly can't understand how you can take onegu's word for anything.

Look at how he's played this game and tell me it looks like a town person.

How can you sit there and be complacent thinking, "but but... meta!".
That's a fucking lazy way to play.
Forget about meta. Meta is easy to fake. I've seen it done firsthand.
Use your own judgment and examine his play this game.

Tell me, and be 100% honest with yourself, that you think onegu has played like town this game.
Look at the cases brought up against him, I referenced them some pages back.
Look at how he's played.
Look at what he's done to help town.
Think for yourself, what positive contribution has onegu ever given this game?

Every fiber of my being is telling me that onegu is mafia right now.
If you still think that onegu is town after all he has done this game, then there's nothing I can do to convince you.
The evidence has been staring you right in the eyes this whole game, and you're refusing to see it.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 18:23 GMT

#5103

On July 04 2015 02:43 Onegu wrote:
Looks like my son will get out of the hospital today, he is napping now so I got a few minutes.

@ruXxar first I don't expect you to use meta, and yes my play looks I guess somewhat scummy. But I expect people who have played more than 4-5 games with me to be able to read me at this point. LS, Damdred and HF but he is scum so...

Now reasons why ruxxar is scum. Has shockky atop his scum pile but never really pushes him puts his vote on me for "policy".

Says he will look up my meta then comes back with look at how scummy Onegu is this game.

Attempts to make me and VA look worse then we have.

Was JK n1 and we have a missing shot, guessing he was carrying a shot not being shot.

Now please read my thing on why I am town and HF scum based on the previous votes. F word dude who was confirmed town was willing to move if others were. If I was scum and HF town we just move onto HF and f word dude moves to HF and scum win. HF didn't have a townie who wanted to vote for me early then Shockley got 6 before people even started talking about moving to me. At that point I would need 5 votes not 3 which is to many so late.

If I was scum this game is over already.

@HF guess you need to NK me from now on before lylo. ##Rekt

Not sure if I can/ will post again, will try

You don't expect me to use meta against you, so why do you blame me for attacking you when you *know* that your play is scummy?
Why not go, hey, maybe I should try to play more like town, so people will think I'm town. No.. that's a terrible idea!
I'm going judge you by the way you play, and if you play like this every game, I will call you scum every game we play together, there's no two ways about it.

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Yes, shockey has been high on my scumlist for a long time now.
I made two cases on him:

Case #1
Case #2

And I called him out several times:
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On June 29 2015 05:16 ruXxar wrote:

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I don't see any evidence for them being mafia together.
How do you explain Onegu tunneling LS all game?

On July 01 2015 00:13 ruXxar wrote:

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You don't think I'm mafia because of this?
What if I was the shot carrier that got JK'd?

That's not conclusive evidence that I'm town.

On July 01 2015 00:23 ruXxar wrote:

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I don't believe for one second that you saved GB because you believed he was town.
Like, you only switched your vote when people actually called you out for voting on him.
And you give like 3 different reasons for switching your votes.
Some of them you didn't even believe in, you just went along with them because "you wanted to try it out".
Then you shift the blame away from yourself because hey "It was GB's stupid idea, not mine!"

And then you have the gall to show up and lecture us because you "saved" GB, as if you were fighting for his innocence day 1?

Give me a break. You're just trying to make yourself look good by taking credit in retrospect.

On July 01 2015 00:50 ruXxar wrote:

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On July 01 2015 00:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:

On July 01 2015 00:23 ruXxar wrote:

On July 01 2015 00:03 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Also you need to realize, if I was mafia, why would I save GB day one if I was mafia? He was able to figure out that Mig was mafia for day 4 lynch? Like please use logic. GB even knew I was town and that's cause we've played three games in a row already, he obviously knows my meta already - where LS keeps trying to push my lynch with no reasons behind it and also voted for GB even though Rsoul said not to. LS even says he can't figure out my meta, but it's obvious that I'm town.

Now let's look at Onegu who pushed LS up until Day 4.

On June 30 2015 15:38 Onegu wrote:

On June 30 2015 03:10 Damdred wrote:
Its a really tough game honestly, I'm like 99.9% sure that LS is town in this situation and I sort of hope hes scum just so I can be proud of him changing his meta in a way I didn't think he could.

FId is confirmed town

I know i'm town obviously.

This leaves me in a world where all I have to do is find town in Onegu, Shockey, HF, NHM and Rux. There are two towns and three mafia in this group.

Content wise HF could look ok, red check withstanding I still want some more of his thoughts around the GB lynch.

Oneg has 0 real content voted with his mafia read in lynching GB which was headed by confirmed mafia mig.

Shockey is sort of weird.

Rux could of carried a shot and got blocked or been shot, he seem to be trying to solve the game though that is true, but isn't really evolving his reads in a way.

Its a sort of a hard game at thi sjuncture though

Yeah and I voted with my tunneled mafia read you in Boring.

So I have found the scum team.

RuXxar, Shockky, Damdred.

I think I get lynched now though for dropping my LS scum read...

He's obviously scum, he's pointing out obvious town is the scum team, like what kind of shit is that?

I actually believed GB was more town than Boxerfred at that moment, what's the problem? I helped save our DT and you're trying to call me out as scum because of it? Like seriously? And I wasn't fighting for it day 1, I actually contributed to reasons why he could be scum, but he helped me make the decision much easier when he continuously defended himself and I took into consideration his POV of the biggest filter. Multiple reasons helped me decide why not to lynch GB, if you're not happy with that, then I don't know what else to tell you.

"More town than" does not equal "town".

Right now I think you are more town than onegu by a slight hair of margin.
Doesn't mean that I think you're town.

You would've been happy to lynch either of them, and it was quite apparent by the way you were switching votes.

And why did you take into consideration his biggest filter argument when you actively argued that biggest filter doesn't mean anything?

Not withstanding the many times I've called him scum and involved him in my scumreads.
And I voted to get him lynched.

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I put my vote on you because of policy?
Kettle meet pot.
Who was voting LS all game because of policy I wonder? hmm...
That's right: this guy

Not to mention your play had been scummy all the way up until that point.
That was just the tipping point.
When the game died down, I fully realized you had done absolutely nothing to push the game forward at all in town favor.

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Yeah I said was going to look up your meta, but I redecided because guess what? Meta is easy to fake.
I've seen it done before.
I'm going to judge you by the way you play this game, and if you keep playing like this, I'm going to keep calling you scum no matter what.

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-Attempts to make you and VA look bad
"Boohoo, big bad ruxxar is scumreading me."
Please, your filters both looked like shit and it's the honest truth.
You've never played with me before, I do things differently.
Yet somehow you see a big wall of text and suddenly I'm trying to make you "look bad".
I don't need to make you look bad, you're doing a fine job of that on your own.

I put together cases on many people, and I give my honest opinon.
Yeah, I'm new to this game and I don't know all there is to know. So what?
Maybe my method of determining who is scum is incorrect.

I don't care. I'm going to do my best to contribute in my own way.
If you don't like it, then fine, go cry about it.
But you don't gain any respect from me for the way you've been playing this game if you're town.

ruXxar

Norway5669 Posts

July 03 2015 20:39 GMT

#5129

LS I feel like you're reading a bit much into meta.
You never know how people will use that against you as both town and mafia.
I don't think meta is reliable enough to make such a strong statement as you're making here.