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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 22:11 GMT
#2589
On June 23 2015 07:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
And yeah anyone who knows oats at all would have read him as town I think. All that contradiction and jumping all over the place and sniping lol

TBH it was a really fucking terrible cop claim though.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 22:15 GMT
#2597
No. Trfel can't CC. It's too all in for no gain. Plus cop makes zero sense from his play.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 22:19 GMT
#2603
While it's not against the rules, I don't think its a good idea to have all 3 mafia be vets. Just like I don't think its a good idea to have all 3 mafia be new. The side with more (%wise) new players is at a big disadvantage and player growth from both sides is less likely.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 22:47 GMT
#2635
On June 23 2015 07:20 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 07:19 geript wrote:
While it's not against the rules, I don't think its a good idea to have all 3 mafia be vets. Just like I don't think its a good idea to have all 3 mafia be new. The side with more (%wise) new players is at a big disadvantage and player growth from both sides is less likely.


At some point you said that you thought there was no vet mafia at all :p

Mafia is a game about making the best most informed decision you can. That said, Trfel played exceptionally and wave I just kinda ignore because we're buddies and I enjoy playing with him. Plus, tbh he would've been a very bad lynch on D1. So if you're not going to try to lynch a vet, then it's generally best to assume they're town.

It's not about being right or wrong. At any point. The point is to make good decisions. That's why my lunch was so fucking awful. There's zero reason to think I was mafia. And if you considered my play, while not super optimal town play, it's pretty obvious townplay. Especially for me. So town decided to lynch me and learn nothing at all instead of making any good lynch. That's what's so retarded.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 22:58 GMT
#2641
It's not about meta. Think about it. Multiple people commented on how I'm a really good scum player. But what about my posting shows I have a clear scum agenda? Or even a hint of scum agenda? How does it help me guide discussion by being terse yet opinionated? How does it help me to give some pretty hard reads while also acting like an asshole? For being a "good" scum player, that's going to give me a lesser amount of influence while also restricting my ability to run a train on newbs. So sure. Part of that is meta, but a big part of it assumes that I'm happy as scum to have as little influence on the lynch as possible while equally not hiding or blending in with the crowd. That combination is super unlikely to be mafia.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 23:00 GMT
#2642
On June 23 2015 07:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript are you around later tonight?
Maybe a couple of the newbies as well? And maybe onegu?

Could do an impromptu podcast-style discussion on my stream if anyone is interested.

Say 10 ish est?

I'm out of town on my phone but I can get on skype and do it there if you want. Idk how effective it would be because I didn't read super heavy while I was alive and when dead only read some of the last page to clear it from subscriptions.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 23:12 GMT
#2646
Y u no skype?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 23:25 GMT
#2654
On June 23 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
The geript lynch wasn't bad, and it was 100% his own fault, though I can understand that geript is salty he got lynched d1 in a newbie game by batsnacks. geript why do you defend yourself harder after the game is over than you did in the game itself? I made one single post about why you are mafia and some of the argument I used was a misunderstanding of your words, and that was enough to get you lynched.

<3 you though hope you don't stay mad forver.

You're a fucking idiot. Like not even joking I'm policy lynching/shooting you from now on because you're literally only helpful to mafia. There wasn't a misunderstanding of my words. Stop lying. You flat out argued that I slipped that Sulf was maf and Ruxxar or whoever was town. You did that when Wave made an exceptionally similar post. There's not a misunderstanding there. There's just you pushing me for dumbass reasons and people buying dumbass reasons. Also, I'm not defending myself. I'm pointing out how fucking stupid the D1 lynch was. Not even joking, the only worse lynch that I can think of off the top of my head was in the old newbie games where town lynched an unCC'd medic. Why should I defend myself from an argument that literally only idiots would listen to? There's no point. Because if people are buying it, then there's no way I can save myself because I'm surrounded by idiots. So seriously dude. Fuck you. Like I thought that you were a somewhat decent player before; clearly I was exceptionally wrong.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 23:27 GMT
#2655
On June 23 2015 08:19 batsnacks wrote:
Seriously though, geript never gets lynched if he explains calmly and collectedly "no batsnacks, there's been a misunderstanding and this is why" rather than posting donkey pics and shitting himself.

Did you read what the fuck I even said? I even pointed out in said donkey post that you were a fucking retard. I pointed out exactly how you were a fucking retard. You didn't see it then. If you had even thought over only that post and that post alone, it was fucking obvious that I was town. So yah dude. Stuff your shit back up your ass where it belongs.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 23:42 GMT
#2660
On June 23 2015 08:32 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 08:25 geript wrote:
On June 23 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
The geript lynch wasn't bad, and it was 100% his own fault, though I can understand that geript is salty he got lynched d1 in a newbie game by batsnacks. geript why do you defend yourself harder after the game is over than you did in the game itself? I made one single post about why you are mafia and some of the argument I used was a misunderstanding of your words, and that was enough to get you lynched.

<3 you though hope you don't stay mad forver.

You're a fucking idiot. Like not even joking I'm policy lynching/shooting you from now on because you're literally only helpful to mafia. There wasn't a misunderstanding of my words. Stop lying. You flat out argued that I slipped that Sulf was maf and Ruxxar or whoever was town. You did that when Wave made an exceptionally similar post. There's not a misunderstanding there. There's just you pushing me for dumbass reasons and people buying dumbass reasons. Also, I'm not defending myself. I'm pointing out how fucking stupid the D1 lynch was. Not even joking, the only worse lynch that I can think of off the top of my head was in the old newbie games where town lynched an unCC'd medic. Why should I defend myself from an argument that literally only idiots would listen to? There's no point. Because if people are buying it, then there's no way I can save myself because I'm surrounded by idiots. So seriously dude. Fuck you. Like I thought that you were a somewhat decent player before; clearly I was exceptionally wrong.


If the reasons were as dumbass as you claim then it shouldn't have been a problem not getting lynched. The "slip" wasn't the only reason people were voting you.

This post would have saved you btw:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 07:58 geript wrote:
It's not about meta. Think about it. Multiple people commented on how I'm a really good scum player. But what about my posting shows I have a clear scum agenda? Or even a hint of scum agenda? How does it help me guide discussion by being terse yet opinionated? How does it help me to give some pretty hard reads while also acting like an asshole? For being a "good" scum player, that's going to give me a lesser amount of influence while also restricting my ability to run a train on newbs. So sure. Part of that is meta, but a big part of it assumes that I'm happy as scum to have as little influence on the lynch as possible while equally not hiding or blending in with the crowd. That combination is super unlikely to be mafia.

Why you chose to post this now and not when it would have mattered... I'm not sure. I can guess why. I would guess it's because you wanted to be lynched for "dumbass" reasons so that you can validate yourself. In a newbie game.

That post only works after my flip dumbass. It literally doesn't EVER work before my flip. Ask Rayn. I'm willing to do pretty much anything I would do as town as mafia. And the BS about me being voted for before that. Sure, Wave voted for me, then moved off. Oats the scumhunter extraordinaire who was afk was on me and Rels who I kinda thought was town and kinda thought was scum (good job Trfel) but had no influence was on me. 2 votes does not get me lynched. Get your shit straight. The reason why the surge went onto me was because of your fucking retarded line of thinking. You vote for me. Mafia votes for me using your logic. Damdred votes for me using your logic. Moosy votes for me using your logic. Get your shit straight bitch and shove it back up your ass. Not only are you super wrong again, you're literally only showing how fucking retarded the point you're trying to make is. I could even point out post by post how they agree with you then go vote. So ya bitch. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 23:45 GMT
#2662
On June 23 2015 08:36 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 08:32 batsnacks wrote:
This post would have saved you btw:
On June 23 2015 07:58 geript wrote:
It's not about meta. Think about it. Multiple people commented on how I'm a really good scum player. But what about my posting shows I have a clear scum agenda? Or even a hint of scum agenda? How does it help me guide discussion by being terse yet opinionated? How does it help me to give some pretty hard reads while also acting like an asshole? For being a "good" scum player, that's going to give me a lesser amount of influence while also restricting my ability to run a train on newbs. So sure. Part of that is meta, but a big part of it assumes that I'm happy as scum to have as little influence on the lynch as possible while equally not hiding or blending in with the crowd. That combination is super unlikely to be mafia.

Why you chose to post this now and not when it would have mattered... I'm not sure. I can guess why. I would guess it's because you wanted to be lynched for "dumbass" reasons so that you can validate yourself. In a newbie game.


I actually think batsnacks is right. That post would've gone a long way to convince us.

Sorry bud. From experience I can tell you it doesn't. When I make that post, it's clear and obvious in hindsight considering the flip. When I make that post during the game, the response becomes "But if you're a good mafia player then you can do that as mafia too" or "But you've set yourself up to mimic your townplay" or some other stupid thing.

To go back further, there were people (many people) who were on the side of the Wave vs Me argument over Moosy early on. But what I pointed out about Wave is actually pretty alignment indicative and I should've pushed it harder.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 23:48 GMT
#2664
On June 23 2015 08:44 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 08:42 geript wrote:
On June 23 2015 08:32 batsnacks wrote:
On June 23 2015 08:25 geript wrote:
On June 23 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:
The geript lynch wasn't bad, and it was 100% his own fault, though I can understand that geript is salty he got lynched d1 in a newbie game by batsnacks. geript why do you defend yourself harder after the game is over than you did in the game itself? I made one single post about why you are mafia and some of the argument I used was a misunderstanding of your words, and that was enough to get you lynched.

<3 you though hope you don't stay mad forver.

You're a fucking idiot. Like not even joking I'm policy lynching/shooting you from now on because you're literally only helpful to mafia. There wasn't a misunderstanding of my words. Stop lying. You flat out argued that I slipped that Sulf was maf and Ruxxar or whoever was town. You did that when Wave made an exceptionally similar post. There's not a misunderstanding there. There's just you pushing me for dumbass reasons and people buying dumbass reasons. Also, I'm not defending myself. I'm pointing out how fucking stupid the D1 lynch was. Not even joking, the only worse lynch that I can think of off the top of my head was in the old newbie games where town lynched an unCC'd medic. Why should I defend myself from an argument that literally only idiots would listen to? There's no point. Because if people are buying it, then there's no way I can save myself because I'm surrounded by idiots. So seriously dude. Fuck you. Like I thought that you were a somewhat decent player before; clearly I was exceptionally wrong.


If the reasons were as dumbass as you claim then it shouldn't have been a problem not getting lynched. The "slip" wasn't the only reason people were voting you.

This post would have saved you btw:
On June 23 2015 07:58 geript wrote:
It's not about meta. Think about it. Multiple people commented on how I'm a really good scum player. But what about my posting shows I have a clear scum agenda? Or even a hint of scum agenda? How does it help me guide discussion by being terse yet opinionated? How does it help me to give some pretty hard reads while also acting like an asshole? For being a "good" scum player, that's going to give me a lesser amount of influence while also restricting my ability to run a train on newbs. So sure. Part of that is meta, but a big part of it assumes that I'm happy as scum to have as little influence on the lynch as possible while equally not hiding or blending in with the crowd. That combination is super unlikely to be mafia.

Why you chose to post this now and not when it would have mattered... I'm not sure. I can guess why. I would guess it's because you wanted to be lynched for "dumbass" reasons so that you can validate yourself. In a newbie game.

That post only works after my flip dumbass. It literally doesn't EVER work before my flip. Ask Rayn. I'm willing to do pretty much anything I would do as town as mafia. And the BS about me being voted for before that. Sure, Wave voted for me, then moved off. Oats the scumhunter extraordinaire who was afk was on me and Rels who I kinda thought was town and kinda thought was scum (good job Trfel) but had no influence was on me. 2 votes does not get me lynched. Get your shit straight. The reason why the surge went onto me was because of your fucking retarded line of thinking. You vote for me. Mafia votes for me using your logic. Damdred votes for me using your logic. Moosy votes for me using your logic. Get your shit straight bitch and shove it back up your ass. Not only are you super wrong again, you're literally only showing how fucking retarded the point you're trying to make is. I could even point out post by post how they agree with you then go vote. So ya bitch. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.


o.0 dude calm down

game is over

lol i act this way too when people scumread me for bad reasons but it's part of why you get lynched...you're so pissed and nasty about it that people get pissed and don't read your posts for content to actually reconsider their reasoning or reads, yeah?

like when this starts to be a pattern it can't just be everyone else. you understand that, right?

d1 lynch multiple games in a row, something is wrong with how you approach things

Sorry rso. I'm not going to try and argue with stupid in game. There's literally no point. Could I be nicer and more helpful and write big long posts that take a couple of hours to put together that no one reads and listens to so that I can be super town read? Sure. Is it worth the effort? Not at all. I will not take responsibility for other people following fucking retarded reads. Especially when there's a long history of it.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 22 2015 23:59 GMT
#2668
His reaction was a little scummy, but not as scummy as you thought it was Oats.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 23 2015 00:14 GMT
#2674
On June 23 2015 09:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude before the reaction I was like 50/50, after the reaction it was 100% that he's mafia. Town don't react that way to a fake check on them.

Some town do Oats. Not many. But I could see Wave being town on that reaction and I've played with him more than most.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 23 2015 00:16 GMT
#2676
Still failing at reading and thinking hunh bats?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 23 2015 00:20 GMT
#2679
You realize I'm going to lynch you on D1 for being useless to town right?
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
June 23 2015 00:36 GMT
#2685
On June 23 2015 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually I think the main mistake town made this game, including me, was being way too trigger happy at "bad" posts because as it turns out, only one mafia had bad posts but like almost all the town did.
Like even in lylo I got caught up with rels, maybe if I actually went and looked at what trfel said when he called wave town, I could've made a better read. Cause that's totally the connection.

This is actually a really good point. And it's something that you kinda just have to learn. For example, look at how I attacked Moosy early on. His opener was really really bad. Like really, really bad. You still have to take that in context of his whole filter. Early on, he's really fucking scummy. But around mid D1 he was super towny. I probably should explain that read but I'm feeling lazy.
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