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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:25 ritoky wrote: EBWOP: why did you do nothing d1 Go read any game I play lol. If you get 3 pages out of me d1 it's a miracle. Honestly, it's not the best in newbies, but it's very established for my meta. There is a reason HtS was on my side about it d1. Anyway that's like the 7th time I've explained it. Eyes forward now, I'm done with that. Why don't we lynch prpl? | ||
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Half the Sky
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Superbia
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Superbia
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How in the seven hells do you want to lynch prp when people like the shining have not done anything after pressure was removed. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:40 Stutters695 wrote: Go read any game I play lol. If you get 3 pages out of me d1 it's a miracle. Honestly, it's not the best in newbies, but it's very established for my meta. There is a reason HtS was on my side about it d1. Anyway that's like the 7th time I've explained it. Eyes forward now, I'm done with that. Why don't we lynch prpl? i did read your filter, On May 04 2015 02:14 Stutters695 wrote: Debatable. Prpl posts a shit load as town. Not to mention that's literally his only insight so far. It's early but I don't consider anything he's said as definitive. On May 04 2015 03:56 Stutters695 wrote: Spam yourself town. LOL. Is that what you're calling that? You established yourself as pretty town d1 there, then went completely mia as town imploded. Then came back spamming bullshit. If that's your strategy as town you need to step your game up real bad. So far this game you've less and I was even trying not to tunnel you after that trainwreck of a game. Yet somehow, you just have a very lynchable face yet again. How about you read C's filter and give me a reason not to lynch you instead of just saying "that stands out" On May 05 2015 01:14 Stutters695 wrote: Prpl still missing I see. here are all of your posts before the flip on prpl. this is not him "being a good target since d1" or you pushing a lynch on him. yes you had a scum read, but for him to be a "good target" that means you have to push him as the lynch candidate and really make the case for him being scum. you made no cases, never called for his lynch, and instead did a lot of this: On May 05 2015 04:30 Stutters695 wrote: Sorry guys, busy day. I would still do Scott. Playing in 2 games is rough. so sorry if i am not buying your revisionist history. | ||
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ritoky
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:42 Superbia wrote: We don't lynch prp because prp subscribed to my thought patterns d1, which buys him a no-lynch today. How in the seven hells do you want to lynch prp when people like the shining have not done anything after pressure was removed. i am kinda about that shining/disform life. after i see where this line of inquiry goes with stutters. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote: I hate defending myself as town and I fucking hate explaining myself. What is my goal here as mafia? "chaos"? What utter bullshit. I am hard to follow, and it has caused me to get misslynched in the past 2 games, so get over it. I don't explain shit because I hate doing it. I want to find mafia and solve the game, not writes pages of text regarding my thought process. Blargh. 1. Loaded questions? Are you fucking serious? I asked stutters for the rest of the team simply because I wanted to know his mafia reads outside of prp. What other loaded questions were there? And how do they come from a mafia mindset. 2. I genuinely don't even know what this means. Is this an assumption of my underlying mindset? 3. I should be dismissed from being a scum candidate. FF is my favorite player to play with, even if we are differently aligned. He was obviously VT and not a role as well. Why the fuck do I ever put KP on him? And before you bring up WIFOM, I have no reason to cover my ass or to use d1 KP to get WIFOM going. It's absolutely suboptimal. I hunt for PRs with KP, or strong town. You want to paint the world in which I kill my favorite player who is OBVIOUSLY VT and to WASTE THE ROLEBLOCK. Wow, what mafia play. 4. DT claim? What are you even talking about? Is this the whole red check confirm thing I asked because someone softed it? Yeah, I want to know whether a questionable person is adamant about scum-reading (and literally only doing that) one of my townies. 5. Well at least I didn't fucking join the scott wagon like the rest of the "townies", right? I tried to salvage a disastrous d1 by going on you. Yes, I absolutely believed you were mafia at EoD1. Your two "red" reads? Both town. I did not see any real scum hunting, just someone tagging along trying to appear town. Sure, your posts were big, but mafia can make big posts. Even if you flipped town it would've gotten us way more information from the votes than the garbage we have now. 6. Because I re-evaluated you completely and this is the world I want to live in today. Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me. Regarding #1 - the question where you asked me what I thought of my D1 performance. That was loaded because what does that tell you about my alignment? If I say it's good or bad, then what? Regarding #3 - FF can be a medic dodge or the result of a blue hunt attempt. We will never know. And in the presence of a veteran, you always RB and kill so that people CANNOT claim RB and confirm themselves town. Scum want to limit information. Killing the person you roleblock DOES EXACTLY THAT. Regarding #4, I'm talking about when you said for Stutters to claim if you had a red check on prplhz. Why would you do it so early and try and direct scum actions at night? I could understand a newbie doing this not understanding the ramifications but you are experienced to know this. You get him to out that early in the day, everyone AFK votes the red check and nothing gets done, DT dies that night. In Student 5 this exactly happened, and I don't want that mistake happening again. Regarding #6, you pinged Stutters post-lynch and you read my scum games only D2 so you can't say that you pinged Stutters BECAUSE you re-evaluated me. Because you pinged him BEFORE you read my scum games, not the other way around. | ||
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
On May 06 2015 20:44 Half the Sky wrote: y0su - I want you to answer the following questions: 1 What are your thoughts on the behaviours of people close to/at EoD? The people who were active at the time IIRC were Superbia, myself, ritoky, disformation, prplhz, Celestial, sicklucker. (So were FF/Scott, but they are both flipped, so leave them out, obv) 2 How confident are you in your current town reads? Do you potentially think any of them could be misleading? (Granted Celestial already highlighted one of them for you but the others?) Also curious to see the rest of your reads. (Sidenote: Yeh I also keep typing disinformation as well lol.) Slept about 10am to 8pm (just woke up) so the rest of my reads will come after I "catch up" (and try to answer stuff like this) 1. I really wish I was around EoD to get a better feel for the thread. Dis seemed really shaken by scott's vote on him. Part of that was (probably) just not fully understanding it. Overall though, he didn't completely breakdown - I actually see his lack of smiles there as a T read. I think if he was putting on a face he would have tried to keep up the smiles under pressure. (My read on him is pretty shaking rookie town.) You and -c- were pretty much standing pat. I think either of you could have hopped off scott's train if someone would have presented something a bit stronger (better thought out / explained) and with a bit more time. I already noted one of ritoky's posts that would have convinced me to look for a new vote. I'm still reading through super. prp. and sl) 2. I'm very confident in the -c- and ritoky reads. It'll take less to get me after you. Dis is TT reads are influenced pretty strongly by being rookies - kind of like "afk d1" it's not an excuse that'll keep holding. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:41 Superbia wrote: sicklucker's mechanics are garbage. I did not say it was valid. Does it make him scum, based on meta no. Does it make you scum? No. I called his posts dangerous. Behaviour > mechanics, every time. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:47 ritoky wrote: super, what do you think of me null reading you cuz of your mason thing? It's town. You're paranoid, it's fine. Either that or you're trying to pocket me right now, but I'm not going to be concerned about you until it's like final 3 or something. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:39 Half the Sky wrote: I think I understand you. You're saying that is it possible that 2 scum voted me....but disinformation voted Scott. Wagon was 3 votes on me, you sup and prp. I'm trying to avoid associations. It is possible that scum can form counterwagon to remove attention from themselves, though Superbia did that when the wagon on Scott was high. He wasn't invested in the Scott lynch at all. So this is a point in favour of him. D2 I didn't just have a problem with one quote, I have problems with multiple things. If he can explain that, then it's one thing. prplhz on the other hand looked really bad. I don't recall him being invested in that lynch, but he was trying to push me from the backseat (unlike you and Superbia). I'm not scumreading disinformation (yet). I picked his brain a little and he's looking okay for now. For what I recall, there are three people that scummed him relatively solidly. That's hardly a majority. Celestial did D1 but it was associative, and now he's not sure. Stutters and myself had problems with him, and I still do. The newbies - I have no idea where they stand. Shining - no clue if his reads have changed. You I thought townread him. i think if 2 mafia didn't vote on the lead wagon, which is unlikely because the majority of mafia statistically votes on the lead wagon day 1. then it is likely disform + prp/superb. i doubt they would consolidate on the 3 man counterwagon, the association is too strong. however, statistically speaking there is likely 1 outside of the main wagon and 2 inside of it, from a numbers perspective. and your read right there on disform is exactly what i am talking about. people keep giving him cheap town reads. | ||
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Half the Sky
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Half the Sky
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On May 07 2015 02:39 Superbia wrote: Also The Shining should be the singular focus right now. I stopped pressuring him d1 to give him an opportunity to contribute to the game, and he has done absolutely nothing. Kill, kill, kill. How late are you up? Shining works night shift and he's 6h behind you. He plays this game at work. Today he's back at work. I think you tend to be up late so that's your prime opportunity to pressure him again. I might be able to catch him, because I don't like him either. Already threatened to vote him if he didn't pick up. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote: Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me. And if you're town, you'll resolve my concerns (or the concerns of any town who scumreads you). There are points I've gone about even with ritoky just now that make it less likely that you are scum. But I am putting out my thoughts in full so you see where I'm coming from. I have nothing to hide as town. I'm not voting you down for shits and giggles. I'm explaining what I don't like and why I don't. And there are others I have a problem with as well. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:45 ritoky wrote: i did read your filter, here are all of your posts before the flip on prpl. this is not him "being a good target since d1" or you pushing a lynch on him. yes you had a scum read, but for him to be a "good target" that means you have to push him as the lynch candidate and really make the case for him being scum. you made no cases, never called for his lynch, and instead did a lot of this: so sorry if i am not buying your revisionist history. Since n1 not d1, what the fuck are you on about revisionist history. I gave him d1 to do anything. He didn't. He still hasn't, that's scum prpl in a nutshell. HtS made additional points. If you won't do it from my posts, read hers and lynch him. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:56 Stutters695 wrote: Since n1 not d1, what the fuck are you on about revisionist history. I gave him d1 to do anything. He didn't. He still hasn't, that's scum prpl in a nutshell. HtS made additional points. If you won't do it from my posts, read hers and lynch him. the only difference btwn d1 and n1 is scott flipped town. why does scott flipping town make prpl more likely mafia? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:42 Superbia wrote: We don't lynch prp because prp subscribed to my thought patterns d1, which buys him a no-lynch today. How in the seven hells do you want to lynch prp when people like the shining have not done anything after pressure was removed. You missed the point Superbia. HE'S NOT ANYMORE. prplhz is ALSO DOING JACK ALL. | ||
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Half the Sky
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cakepie
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VOTE COUNT: Superbia (2) : sicklucker, Half the Sky prplhz (2) : Tictock, The Shining (2) : disformation, Superbia Stutters695 (0) : Not voting (5) : -Celestial-, prplhz, ritoky, The Shining, y0su The cycle will end at Thursday, May 07 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), 29 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. Currently, Superbia is set to be lynched! If you see any vote out of place, holler at the hosting team so that we can correct it. | ||
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