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-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 06 2015 18:37 GMT
#1241
Like...right now I don't know what to think on Superbia. I think sicklucker has got a point but I'm all over the place on the guy.

But prplhz is just...bright crimson right now. He's done nothing but lurk and try to pretend to contribute. And yet Superbia has been hard town reading him literally the entire game because "he's thinking the same as me, making the same reads" despite the fact he's made virtually no reads at all.

Seriously just wtf. prplhz looks terrible and Superbia's constant defending is honestly weirding me out. I almost think it would be worth lynching Superbia right now because of that one thing.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 06 2015 18:39 GMT
#1242
On May 07 2015 03:36 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 03:29 -Celestial- wrote:
What reads?

His "reads" D1 as far as I can tell amounted to a bad feeling on Shining, a bad feeling on me and an OMGUS on HtS which turned into a wagon after you picked it up and started pushing. As well as a bunch of rambling about how he just didn't like the scott wagon, but never actually seemed to specifically read scott unless I missed it somewhere.

His strongest "push" was him saying that someone ELSE needed to push the HtS wagon with around 40 minutes to go here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=38#749

You seem to be giving him a totally free pass for doing virtually nothing at all.


K. Let's all circlejerk onto prp like we did with scott. Like I haven't even re-evaluated him yet, but the fact that so many people are jumping on him so readily already irks the shit out of me. It's almost never mafia then. Same with scott d1. I haven't re-valuated him because I have no fucking interest in jumping on yet another singular wagon.


Right now there's three people on prplhz, two on you and two on Shining. That's hardly circlejerking onto a singular wagon.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 06 2015 18:43 GMT
#1243
On May 07 2015 03:39 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 03:36 Superbia wrote:
On May 07 2015 03:29 -Celestial- wrote:
What reads?

His "reads" D1 as far as I can tell amounted to a bad feeling on Shining, a bad feeling on me and an OMGUS on HtS which turned into a wagon after you picked it up and started pushing. As well as a bunch of rambling about how he just didn't like the scott wagon, but never actually seemed to specifically read scott unless I missed it somewhere.

His strongest "push" was him saying that someone ELSE needed to push the HtS wagon with around 40 minutes to go here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=38#749

You seem to be giving him a totally free pass for doing virtually nothing at all.


K. Let's all circlejerk onto prp like we did with scott. Like I haven't even re-evaluated him yet, but the fact that so many people are jumping on him so readily already irks the shit out of me. It's almost never mafia then. Same with scott d1. I haven't re-valuated him because I have no fucking interest in jumping on yet another singular wagon.


Right now there's three people on prplhz, two on you and two on Shining. That's hardly circlejerking onto a singular wagon.


The two on me are wasted and I'm not counting them. I feel like I am one of the most vocal and prominent people in town. If I switch who the fuck is going to provide a different voice?
Minimal effort.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 06 2015 18:43 GMT
#1244
On May 07 2015 02:58 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 02:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 07 2015 02:45 ritoky wrote:
On May 07 2015 02:40 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 07 2015 02:25 ritoky wrote:
EBWOP: why did you do nothing d1

Go read any game I play lol. If you get 3 pages out of me d1 it's a miracle. Honestly, it's not the best in newbies, but it's very established for my meta. There is a reason HtS was on my side about it d1.

Anyway that's like the 7th time I've explained it. Eyes forward now, I'm done with that.

Why don't we lynch prpl?


i did read your filter,

On May 04 2015 02:14 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote:
On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:
On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:
On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little?


maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now.

i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now.

been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts?


he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing:

On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:
On May 03 2015 08:34 The Shining wrote:
I'm going to go ahead and be as useless as always D1. Let's do this. Willing to lynch Super, FF, Scott so far.

Super wants to lynch Scott for opening with a town claim. FF and Super willing to lynch Scott off that. It's cuz Scott looks bad off of an unpressured town claim. FF and Super setting up to bus Scott d1 if needed.

Super, FF, Scott scumteam gg

this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY


On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game


he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia.


Debatable. Prpl posts a shit load as town. Not to mention that's literally his only insight so far. It's early but I don't consider anything he's said as definitive.


On May 04 2015 03:56 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 04 2015 03:39 prplhz wrote:
On May 04 2015 02:25 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 04 2015 02:20 ritoky wrote:
On May 04 2015 02:14 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote:
On May 04 2015 02:01 y0su wrote:
[quote]
been busy (working on my lists when I get to sit at the computer) quite curious about how you put someone on your team (even t2) with just a few posts?


he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing:

On May 03 2015 08:40 prplhz wrote:
[quote]
this is rubbing me the WRONG WAY


On May 03 2015 08:41 prplhz wrote:
like he's trying to make up some excuse for being useless and then he tries to solve the game and that like 30 posts into the game


he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia.


Debatable. Prpl posts a shit load as town. Not to mention that's literally his only insight so far. It's early but I don't consider anything he's said as definitive.


? we thinking of the same guy? prp is a low volume poster as both alignments. he is like a 9-11 page over course of an entire game kind of player from my experience.


He had 15 pages in NSM7.

if you want to lynch me for low post count then you should do it now because i'm going to post a lot less this game. that game (like many other games) i tried to spam myself town. that's also why i have joined out of time mafia, because i want to stop spamming so much. anyway the reason i haven't posted a lot is because i haven't been around.

@superbia @ritoky what do you think about celestial? he is coming on as super tryhard, like nothing i've ever seen before. he stands out a lot compared to the general relaxed atmosphere in the thread. didn't filter him yet (dunno how much i can get out of that this early anyway) but it's just something that been sticking out a lot.

also @superbia happy birthday!


Spam yourself town. LOL. Is that what you're calling that? You established yourself as pretty town d1 there, then went completely mia as town imploded. Then came back spamming bullshit. If that's your strategy as town you need to step your game up real bad.

So far this game you've less and I was even trying not to tunnel you after that trainwreck of a game. Yet somehow, you just have a very lynchable face yet again.

How about you read C's filter and give me a reason not to lynch you instead of just saying "that stands out"


On May 05 2015 01:14 Stutters695 wrote:
Prpl still missing I see.



here are all of your posts before the flip on prpl. this is not him "being a good target since d1" or you pushing a lynch on him. yes you had a scum read, but for him to be a "good target" that means you have to push him as the lynch candidate and really make the case for him being scum. you made no cases, never called for his lynch, and instead did a lot of this:

On May 05 2015 04:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy day. I would still do Scott. Playing in 2 games is rough.


so sorry if i am not buying your revisionist history.


Since n1 not d1, what the fuck are you on about revisionist history. I gave him d1 to do anything. He didn't. He still hasn't, that's scum prpl in a nutshell. HtS made additional points. If you won't do it from my posts, read hers and lynch him.


the only difference btwn d1 and n1 is scott flipped town. why does scott flipping town make prpl more likely mafia?


Because that gave him 48 hours to post and he hadn't done dick. Because he afk'd in his previous game as town for a day, he deserved the benefit of the doubt in case the weekend was bad but it's Wednesday now and he's still bad.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 06 2015 18:46 GMT
#1245
Like I'm going to re-evaluate him in a bit, so whatever.
Minimal effort.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 06 2015 18:46 GMT
#1246
On May 07 2015 03:37 -Celestial- wrote:
Like...right now I don't know what to think on Superbia. I think sicklucker has got a point but I'm all over the place on the guy.

But prplhz is just...bright crimson right now. He's done nothing but lurk and try to pretend to contribute. And yet Superbia has been hard town reading him literally the entire game because "he's thinking the same as me, making the same reads" despite the fact he's made virtually no reads at all.

Seriously just wtf. prplhz looks terrible and Superbia's constant defending is honestly weirding me out. I almost think it would be worth lynching Superbia right now because of that one thing.


What? No. You lynch the bright crimson scum first. That's like mafia 101.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 06 2015 19:02 GMT
#1247
On May 07 2015 03:46 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 03:37 -Celestial- wrote:
Like...right now I don't know what to think on Superbia. I think sicklucker has got a point but I'm all over the place on the guy.

But prplhz is just...bright crimson right now. He's done nothing but lurk and try to pretend to contribute. And yet Superbia has been hard town reading him literally the entire game because "he's thinking the same as me, making the same reads" despite the fact he's made virtually no reads at all.

Seriously just wtf. prplhz looks terrible and Superbia's constant defending is honestly weirding me out. I almost think it would be worth lynching Superbia right now because of that one thing.


What? No. You lynch the bright crimson scum first. That's like mafia 101.



I was being a touch hyperbolic, hence why I said "almost" and I'm staying on prplhz right now. Though I feel Superbia is far more dangerous an opponent to leave alive if he does turn out to be scum which worries me a lot.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 06 2015 19:21 GMT
#1248
Going to have to stop reading at the end of p58 so I can still post and make it to work.

I'm not sure I 100% follow SL's logic on his play (or idea) here. Guess I will read read the setup rules and his logic later at work and ponder it more. Initially, I don't like that it is ALL that he is pushing here. It might be a good play, but his entire argument and logic can easily be scum driven to avoid suspicion and get people focused on Super.

My read on Super is unchanged, though it looks like I might be missing when he joins in for the day.

I have a few other thoughts, but I'll just leave that for now. I'd like to get caught up before I start rethinking my reads.

I'll be reading as I can during work, but likely wont be posting till I get home.
I can take that responsibility.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 06 2015 19:34 GMT
#1249
I have sicklucker (who wanted to see Superbia's responses to me) and Celestial (who isn't sure what to think on him) - well he has given me responses on my scumread on him.

What do you two think, how does it affect your view on Superbia?

Stutters, same question to you, I know you were looking at him too.

I already know what I think but I know others were noting our exchange.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 06 2015 19:35 GMT
#1250
Superbia d1 posting was sporadic and I can let some go with his birthday. His EoD comes off as either just super rushed or trying to create confusion. His posts read like he doesn't have any aim but to get people to vote HtS in a hurry. His posts have a lot of pressure (am I using that right?) to get answers but any conclusions he keeps to himself. He also does a 180 on HtS (based on her meta - not that he survived the night) but keeps his (unexplained) pressure on dis (although as a 3rd wagon). I like is desire for multiple trains but that seems NAI

*I haven't had a chance to read his latest - HtS wanted some EoD analysis* Okay, he's gone full red with his defense of prpl. I think we can have 2 wagons without defending one of them.

prplhz more like rdhz. No d1 excuse... no filter.. OMGUS vote on HtS. All of that could change if we get some d2 out of him. I particularly don't like + Show Spoiler +
you guys need to push this hts thing btw. don't know when's the last time i saw a scum be up for lynch and then oppose the alternative wagon (well okay i sort of did that when it was me or LS in titanic but that was probably a bad move lol).


sicklucker I've been waiting for some d2 content from him... all I see is statistical claims. (one of my favorite quotes of all times is "figures don't lie, but liars do the figuring"). Since then, I've always been a skeptic and need some proof(s). "75% of statistics are made up"

Stutters695 another "no d1" case... but picking up a bit more now. His posts seem to have direction but it's all at prp without much more than meta.

So far I'm not trying to form a scum team so I'm not concerned with a red read voting another red read.
Going to be on more now and looking into d2 more critically (especially the interactions of the reds and half red)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 06 2015 19:36 GMT
#1251
On May 07 2015 04:02 -Celestial- wrote:
I was being a touch hyperbolic, hence why I said "almost" and I'm staying on prplhz right now. Though I feel Superbia is far more dangerous an opponent to leave alive if he does turn out to be scum which worries me a lot.


If prplhz flips red, Superbia IMO will look significantly worse. I learnt the hard way in Aperture 4 with a fear read on kitaman - fear reads don't tell jack all about the alignment unless you're doing a full meta read.

One scum at a time.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 06 2015 19:40 GMT
#1252
On May 07 2015 04:35 y0su wrote:
Superbia d1 posting was sporadic and I can let some go with his birthday. His EoD comes off as either just super rushed or trying to create confusion. His posts read like he doesn't have any aim but to get people to vote HtS in a hurry. His posts have a lot of pressure (am I using that right?) to get answers but any conclusions he keeps to himself. He also does a 180 on HtS (based on her meta - not that he survived the night) but keeps his (unexplained) pressure on dis (although as a 3rd wagon). I like is desire for multiple trains but that seems NAI

*I haven't had a chance to read his latest - HtS wanted some EoD analysis* Okay, he's gone full red with his defense of prpl. I think we can have 2 wagons without defending one of them.

prplhz more like rdhz. No d1 excuse... no filter.. OMGUS vote on HtS. All of that could change if we get some d2 out of him. I particularly don't like + Show Spoiler +
you guys need to push this hts thing btw. don't know when's the last time i saw a scum be up for lynch and then oppose the alternative wagon (well okay i sort of did that when it was me or LS in titanic but that was probably a bad move lol).


sicklucker I've been waiting for some d2 content from him... all I see is statistical claims. (one of my favorite quotes of all times is "figures don't lie, but liars do the figuring"). Since then, I've always been a skeptic and need some proof(s). "75% of statistics are made up"

Stutters695 another "no d1" case... but picking up a bit more now. His posts seem to have direction but it's all at prp without much more than meta.

So far I'm not trying to form a scum team so I'm not concerned with a red read voting another red read.
Going to be on more now and looking into d2 more critically (especially the interactions of the reds and half red)


So my team mate sicklucker is pushing me?
Minimal effort.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 06 2015 19:40 GMT
#1253
On May 07 2015 04:35 y0su wrote:
Superbia d1 posting was sporadic and I can let some go with his birthday.

[...]

Okay, he's gone full red with his defense of prpl. I think we can have 2 wagons without defending one of them.

prplhz more like rdhz. No d1 excuse... no filter.. OMGUS vote on HtS. All of that could change if we get some d2 out of him. I particularly don't like + Show Spoiler +
you guys need to push this hts thing btw. don't know when's the last time i saw a scum be up for lynch and then oppose the alternative wagon (well okay i sort of did that when it was me or LS in titanic but that was probably a bad move lol).


[...]

So far I'm not trying to form a scum team so I'm not concerned with a red read voting another red read.
Going to be on more now and looking into d2 more critically (especially the interactions of the reds and half red)


y0su, sorry to break it to you but you already formed a team. You are scumreading Superbia (as scum) for defending someone you think is red.

You can't explore interactions until someone has flipped.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 06 2015 19:41 GMT
#1254
sicklucker, there are three scum in this game. Let's say Superbia has to replace out. Who will you lynch today?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 06 2015 19:42 GMT
#1255
So y0su explain why SL would push Super like that scum on scum please. It's highly unlikely that they're both scum together based off of today's interactions.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 06 2015 19:43 GMT
#1256
Why do I get the feeling there is way too much parroting from the newbies in general?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 06 2015 19:43 GMT
#1257
On May 07 2015 03:08 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 02:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote:
Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me.


And if you're town, you'll resolve my concerns (or the concerns of any town who scumreads you). There are points I've gone about even with ritoky just now that make it less likely that you are scum. But I am putting out my thoughts in full so you see where I'm coming from. I have nothing to hide as town.

I'm not voting you down for shits and giggles. I'm explaining what I don't like and why I don't. And there are others I have a problem with as well.


I have you as town. This is why I feel this is a tremendous waste of time. Nothing personal, but once I think someone is town I'm kind of done with them.

can you explain your TR on HtS? Specifically when and how did you go from voting for her to TR?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 06 2015 19:45 GMT
#1258
On May 07 2015 04:43 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 03:08 Superbia wrote:
On May 07 2015 02:56 Half the Sky wrote:
On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote:
Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me.


And if you're town, you'll resolve my concerns (or the concerns of any town who scumreads you). There are points I've gone about even with ritoky just now that make it less likely that you are scum. But I am putting out my thoughts in full so you see where I'm coming from. I have nothing to hide as town.

I'm not voting you down for shits and giggles. I'm explaining what I don't like and why I don't. And there are others I have a problem with as well.


I have you as town. This is why I feel this is a tremendous waste of time. Nothing personal, but once I think someone is town I'm kind of done with them.

can you explain your TR on HtS? Specifically when and how did you go from voting for her to TR?


I don't think she stays that active and adamant after surviving EoD1 as scum. There was more but I forgot. I'm no longer interested in lynching her today.
Minimal effort.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 06 2015 19:46 GMT
#1259
On May 07 2015 02:35 ritoky wrote:
personally i don't think i have a read on superbia. he is just null to me and i plan to keep him there. he is town for having non-conforming reads on d1. mafia superbia picks middle of the road easy reads day 1 and blends. but then he has been so aggressively trying to pocket me that it makes me wary and put him back to null. but he also has that sick ritoky town read....so dunno. claiming the RB when you're a high lynch candidate as scum is meh maybe he did that. i have done it before, tends not to help things but he could have.


Do Superbia's responses to me change your impression one way or another?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 06 2015 19:49 GMT
#1260
I agree they're probably not both scum with SL posting Super. As I said, I didn't evaluate them based on a team.

I didn't put super red because he was defending someone I read red. It was how he was how he was reading. He's defending someone who has a handful of posts just cause those few posts agree with him.
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