EPTNewbie Student Mafia IX - Page 62
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ritoky
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ritoky
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:48 Half the Sky wrote: Regarding #1 - the question where you asked me what I thought of my D1 performance. That was loaded because what does that tell you about my alignment? If I say it's good or bad, then what? Regarding #3 - FF can be a medic dodge or the result of a blue hunt attempt. We will never know. And in the presence of a veteran, you always RB and kill so that people CANNOT claim RB and confirm themselves town. Scum want to limit information. Killing the person you roleblock DOES EXACTLY THAT. Regarding #4, I'm talking about when you said for Stutters to claim if you had a red check on prplhz. Why would you do it so early and try and direct scum actions at night? I could understand a newbie doing this not understanding the ramifications but you are experienced to know this. You get him to out that early in the day, everyone AFK votes the red check and nothing gets done, DT dies that night. In Student 5 this exactly happened, and I don't want that mistake happening again. Regarding #6, you pinged Stutters post-lynch and you read my scum games only D2 so you can't say that you pinged Stutters BECAUSE you re-evaluated me. Because you pinged him BEFORE you read my scum games, not the other way around. 1. If you were going to say either, I would want to know your thought process behind it, and how it has affected your progression of reads (are you re-evaluating, etc.). This is why I don't want to explain shit like this. I don't want scum (and therefore, anyone) to know the idea behind the questions I'm asking. Is it benign? Is it serious? Who knows but me. 3. Except FF was never blue there, and thus a shitty medic dodge. If I thought FF was blue I would've pressured him EoD (or EoN, w/e) for changing his mind on things to generally dodgy reads and see if I can get a better role-read on him. Instead, when Ritoky (iirc) asks me what I think of FF, and I say he's probably still town and I leave it at that. Scum don't give a shit about who they roleblock n1 specifically for this reason. You are going about it the wrong way. I am town and scum had some sort of role-read on me. No idea why. 4. BECAUSE I DONT KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT. He was pushing hard on prp the entire time and he was shady as fuck for lurking EoD1 (still is) and getting caught hard (oh btw, pretty everyone I've caught lurking at EoD1 has been scum during past games). Then all he does is tunnel on prp hard for small, benign reasons and throwing some scum on me (iirc), which is just scummy as fuck. So, I want to know if I need to waste my time reading him or if we can lynch prp and I can re-evaluate from that flip. The whole different game same story thing is cute, but ultimately irrelevant. It's supposed to be about my alignment, not your opinion on cop outing early d2 with a red. Wanting the cop to out with a red in a vacuum is absolutely not alignment indicative, let alone these circumstances (which make it probably more town-indicative). 6. What does this have to do with anything? Maybe I answered your initial question incorrectly: I caught stutters actively lurking red-handedly. I thought it was super scummy, I go after stutters. I saw no reason to keep bashing heads with you since the lynch was already done, and I had room to re-evaluate everything. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
If you have any question, feel free to ask.  Current thought process: Seem entirely plausible for me that indeed -c-, HtS, Superbia and rikoty are all town and mafia is gladly doing jackshit since town is trying to lynch town all the time... Really looking forward to what (if anything) the shining and prplhz have to say. Should probably look at the other players again, too. | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:56 Half the Sky wrote: And if you're town, you'll resolve my concerns (or the concerns of any town who scumreads you). There are points I've gone about even with ritoky just now that make it less likely that you are scum. But I am putting out my thoughts in full so you see where I'm coming from. I have nothing to hide as town. I'm not voting you down for shits and giggles. I'm explaining what I don't like and why I don't. And there are others I have a problem with as well. I have you as town. This is why I feel this is a tremendous waste of time. Nothing personal, but once I think someone is town I'm kind of done with them.  | ||
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Superbia
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
I mean come on...I just looked through his filter and to me it reads as follows: - Got a bad feeling about Shining. - I'm not going to post much this game. By the way what do you think about Celestial? They're sticking out a lot. - I was out, I'll read when I'm back. - Oh god deadline! I don't like the scott train. Some apparently meta-read based on lynchings from other games. Ooooh that Celestial person bothers me; don't like scott train. HtS is scumreading me based on my Shining comment (basically the only thing that could be construed as a direct read by prplhz on anyone to that point); oh me oh my why me? OMGUS. Voting on her! - Meta meta HtS. Plus elaborating on the fact that he doesn't like that he's being scummed for something other people have done. (Neatly glossing over the fact that it was virtually ALL he'd done) - I won't be around for EoD. Oh by the way you need to push HtS train. - Stutters, Superbia has a good question, answer it. What were you doing at EoD? - Stutters is my new target for that. - Tictock looks bad for the wasted vote. Stutters looks bad for his lurking on EoD. HtS is still scumreading me for the only thing approaching a read I've really made up to this point and I don't like that. But she's right I'm OMGUSing people. I'll start trusting my town reads (what damn town reads?) and start looking at other people. - ritoky has a good point on Tictock though I'm not sure. - Excuses excuses because of tunneling some guy in some other game. I'm unsure about Tictock like I'm unsure about Celestial. - Tictock still looks bad for his vote. - I'm reconsidering again. FF was town as I expected (like goddamn everyone did). Excuses about tunneling in a different game again. I think HtS is scum because she said I'm scum because of one of the few things I actually did despite other people doing the same (ignoring the fact those other people have also done OTHER things to go on). And because something metagame something. I'll go take a look at Stutters' meta from other games now. But Superbia and ritoky are definitely town (which is an easy thing for him to say since both of you have been calling him town forever). - We probably have a doc because Superbia was roleblocked so there's no veteran. - Why are you reading HtS as town, Superbia? That is his ENTIRE filter summarised. There's nothing of value in there. Hardly any actual reads with his strongest push being to vote HtS with less than an hour to go, an argument that (in my opinion) is fairly rubbish and then ask other people to push it for him. What I do see is a ton of waffling about doing very little, no real effort to pressure anyone and a guy quite happy to sit in the little cocoon that you've constructed for him by reading him town every time you provide reads. This is despite the fact he's done nothing that I can see to deserve that read. I mean...are we even talking about the same guy here, Superbia? What in the name of god makes you think he's so hard town? And provide quotes please, not this "his reads match mine" thing you got going. Quote the actual things he said and why they're town. Because honestly having just made this post and reviewing how bad he looks here I'm inclined to just vote him now and be done with it. | ||
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-Celestial-
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
This is why I am/was reading him town. Will re-evaluate in a few, as I've just said. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:50 ritoky wrote: i think if 2 mafia didn't vote on the lead wagon, which is unlikely because the majority of mafia statistically votes on the lead wagon day 1. then it is likely disform + prp/superb. i doubt they would consolidate on the 3 man counterwagon, the association is too strong. however, statistically speaking there is likely 1 outside of the main wagon and 2 inside of it, from a numbers perspective. and your read right there on disform is exactly what i am talking about. people keep giving him cheap town reads. dood...i fucked this up so bad in my spreadsheet. i swapped ticktock and disform. god damnit, my spreadsheet skills are a d+ this game, that's what i get when i take a month off. EBWOP: disform + prp/superb -> ticktock + prp/superb | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:30 Half the Sky wrote: To be very fair Stutters, town sicklucker uses mechanics a lot to town's detriment. Carol (with the presents mechanics) was a major example of this. He spent 75% of the time discussing whether a town or a scum would gift one-shot ability presents to each other instead of actually scumhunting. It drove a number of us batshit. But i was right! | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On May 07 2015 03:00 ritoky wrote: prp is a role or mafia, take that 1 to the bank. had that read since like his 3rd or 4th post. waiting on his claim. | ||
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ritoky
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
His "reads" D1 as far as I can tell amounted to a bad feeling on Shining, a bad feeling on me and an OMGUS on HtS which turned into a wagon after you picked it up and started pushing. As well as a bunch of rambling about how he just didn't like the scott wagon, but never actually seemed to specifically read scott unless I missed it somewhere. His strongest "push" was him saying that someone ELSE needed to push the HtS wagon with around 40 minutes to go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=38#749 You seem to be giving him a totally free pass for doing virtually nothing at all. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On May 07 2015 02:41 Superbia wrote: sicklucker's mechanics are garbage. no they are not if your town you should agree with them. So far 3 people have agreed my logic is ok and no one disagreed | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
Where the hell was he in that time beforehand if he really felt that strongly? | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On May 07 2015 03:29 sicklucker wrote: no they are not if your town you should agree with them. So far 3 people have agreed my logic is ok and no one disagreed And you have all of these people as town? | ||
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sicklucker
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 07 2015 03:26 ritoky wrote: @disform, i will have questions when i can read your filter later. but mostly i just don't think you are so obviously town to deserve all the cheap town reads you are getting. and you seem to just accept them. when ppl town read me and i don't feel particularly overwhelmingly town i am like...wtf why you town reading me? fair enough. In my head it is more like "how the hell can they read me as anything other than newbie town, as I am exactly that." So I am okay with "easy" town reads and get confused by scum reads... especially not good ones, like scotts last post (which I still don't understand). Though you are right, I was expecting to be asked a lot more stuff today or N1 since my EoD day 1 behaviour was pretty stupid. But then again, just going in defense mode for no reason, makes me look like scum again... so I was waiting to get poked for that. And people should poke me about that, since it probably looks scummy as hell... Also and a townie brownie for you.  | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
On May 07 2015 03:29 -Celestial- wrote: What reads? His "reads" D1 as far as I can tell amounted to a bad feeling on Shining, a bad feeling on me and an OMGUS on HtS which turned into a wagon after you picked it up and started pushing. As well as a bunch of rambling about how he just didn't like the scott wagon, but never actually seemed to specifically read scott unless I missed it somewhere. His strongest "push" was him saying that someone ELSE needed to push the HtS wagon with around 40 minutes to go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?page=38#749 You seem to be giving him a totally free pass for doing virtually nothing at all. K. Let's all circlejerk onto prp like we did with scott. Like I haven't even re-evaluated him yet, but the fact that so many people are jumping on him so readily already irks the shit out of me. It's almost never mafia then. Same with scott d1. I haven't re-valuated him because I have no fucking interest in jumping on yet another singular wagon. | ||
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