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On May 07 2015 02:01 sicklucker wrote:
It can also be said you know im wrong and are setting me up for a mislynch. Anything is possible keep your eyes open make the best judgement youb can and prepare to be wrong alot
Shit, if I were scum and knew I'd kick back and laugh my way to d3. I want you to contribute something outside of the RB point so we have something to actually judge you on.
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i am kinda interested in disformation and stutters. stutters cuz i don't have strong feelings about him and i need some. disform because i feel like a lot of people have given cheap reads on him.
i also think the FF kill is likely made from a more inactive person during the night, or some1 who doesn't fear me or -c-. wifom as fuck but i should be considering that.
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On May 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:02 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:53 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:36 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy at work (catering a shit load of luncheons today). Where in the blue hell are you getting 75% from?
Homeboy might be scum, but I'm not getting how you reach those odds. 50% chance theres a veteran in the game. Mafia will always roleblock ff last night incase hes a veteran so they dont lose a kp. This is just standard mafia play and the correct play. Maybe I should lower it a bit because it is a newbie game but I know super 100% makes this play. 0-25% added because super might claim rb as mafia even if theres not a veteran because he has won games doing it before (meta) thats how I got 50-75% Do you remember what game he claimed RB as scum in? 75% is a strong estimate. That looks real bad for you (like almost have to lynch you d3 bad) if he flips town so I want to see where you're coming from. Hts just linked it. Its not me to say if you should lynch me if im wrong or not. But making mathematical mechanical game decisions is kind of my town play style and im right more then im wrong I'll check it out when I have more time, but if you're wrong you've contributed next to nothing and will have caused a mislynch based on probability rather than anything really mafia related. I'll check out your previous games tonight/tomorrow (no rush on that really since it wouldn't be applicable until d3 in this case), but surely you can see how bad that would look. Im offering you a really good lynch math does not lie! This preflip blame is hella scummy
We've had a really good lynch since n1 and you're directing attention away from him on the basis of a RB claim. That's hella scummy.
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On May 07 2015 02:20 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 02:02 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:53 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:36 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy at work (catering a shit load of luncheons today). Where in the blue hell are you getting 75% from?
Homeboy might be scum, but I'm not getting how you reach those odds. 50% chance theres a veteran in the game. Mafia will always roleblock ff last night incase hes a veteran so they dont lose a kp. This is just standard mafia play and the correct play. Maybe I should lower it a bit because it is a newbie game but I know super 100% makes this play. 0-25% added because super might claim rb as mafia even if theres not a veteran because he has won games doing it before (meta) thats how I got 50-75% Do you remember what game he claimed RB as scum in? 75% is a strong estimate. That looks real bad for you (like almost have to lynch you d3 bad) if he flips town so I want to see where you're coming from. Hts just linked it. Its not me to say if you should lynch me if im wrong or not. But making mathematical mechanical game decisions is kind of my town play style and im right more then im wrong I'll check it out when I have more time, but if you're wrong you've contributed next to nothing and will have caused a mislynch based on probability rather than anything really mafia related. I'll check out your previous games tonight/tomorrow (no rush on that really since it wouldn't be applicable until d3 in this case), but surely you can see how bad that would look. Im offering you a really good lynch math does not lie! This preflip blame is hella scummy We've had a really good lynch since n1 and you're directing attention away from him on the basis of a RB claim. That's hella scummy.
am assuming you mean prpl? if he was such a good lynch, why did you do nothing to get him lynched?
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Vote is on prpl, I don't like this.
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EBWOP: why did you do nothing d1
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On May 07 2015 02:16 ritoky wrote:
i am not particularly a fan of this superbia lynch. it seems very similar to the scott lynch. same people pushing it, no1 defending superbia, a lot of tone reasoning, and no real exploration into other people. i feel like one of the few people considering alternatives.
someone might be railroading this game....need to figure out whom.
1 "Same people pushing it" - no, not true, Celestial I think pushed Scott, I only added on to the case. I am pushing Superbia though and if I am wrong, I have no problem taking responsibility.
I am pushing Superbia on behaviour, not mechanics. And yes ritoky what you described about them RB/kill the same person, yes, that is why I am focusing on behaviour.
2 Superbia needs to defend himself. Also mind you, there are two votes on Superbia, one on prplhz, and one on Stutters. This train isn't runaway. Context please.
3 I've quoted nearly every argument I have against him.
4 My vote was on prplhz prior to Superbia. I didn't like the former then, still don't like him now. I also don't like Shining and his D1 behaviour was bad. I'd like to pressure vote all of them, but I can't.
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On May 07 2015 02:16 ritoky wrote:
someone might be railroading this game....need to figure out whom.
What do you mean by railroading? Bussing?
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On May 07 2015 02:24 Stutters695 wrote:
Vote is on prpl, I don't like this.
Neither do I.
What can you do when too many people are being quite scummy?
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hts you think that 2 of the 4 people who didn't vote on a townie d1 are mafia? and that of those 4, me and disform are the most town?
think about it in that light.
also i am pretty sure a literal 0 amount of people have called superbia town this game. maybe 1. so the lynch seems a lot easier to me with multiple people essentially pre-voting.
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On May 07 2015 02:18 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:01 sicklucker wrote:
It can also be said you know im wrong and are setting me up for a mislynch. Anything is possible keep your eyes open make the best judgement youb can and prepare to be wrong alot Shit, if I were scum and knew I'd kick back and laugh my way to d3. I want you to contribute something outside of the RB point so we have something to actually judge you on.
To be very fair Stutters, town sicklucker uses mechanics a lot to town's detriment. Carol (with the presents mechanics) was a major example of this. He spent 75% of the time discussing whether a town or a scum would gift one-shot ability presents to each other instead of actually scumhunting. It drove a number of us batshit.
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On May 07 2015 02:24 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:20 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 02:02 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:53 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:36 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy at work (catering a shit load of luncheons today). Where in the blue hell are you getting 75% from?
Homeboy might be scum, but I'm not getting how you reach those odds. 50% chance theres a veteran in the game. Mafia will always roleblock ff last night incase hes a veteran so they dont lose a kp. This is just standard mafia play and the correct play. Maybe I should lower it a bit because it is a newbie game but I know super 100% makes this play. 0-25% added because super might claim rb as mafia even if theres not a veteran because he has won games doing it before (meta) thats how I got 50-75% Do you remember what game he claimed RB as scum in? 75% is a strong estimate. That looks real bad for you (like almost have to lynch you d3 bad) if he flips town so I want to see where you're coming from. Hts just linked it. Its not me to say if you should lynch me if im wrong or not. But making mathematical mechanical game decisions is kind of my town play style and im right more then im wrong I'll check it out when I have more time, but if you're wrong you've contributed next to nothing and will have caused a mislynch based on probability rather than anything really mafia related. I'll check out your previous games tonight/tomorrow (no rush on that really since it wouldn't be applicable until d3 in this case), but surely you can see how bad that would look. Im offering you a really good lynch math does not lie! This preflip blame is hella scummy We've had a really good lynch since n1 and you're directing attention away from him on the basis of a RB claim. That's hella scummy. am assuming you mean prpl? if he was such a good lynch, why did you do nothing to get him lynched?
Obviously.
My points are all throughout my filter and they haven't changed because he still is doing nothing. If you want me to rehash everything into a 5p essay I can, but it should be completely unnecessary. The dude is scum.
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On May 06 2015 19:28 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2015 16:13 y0su wrote:
Half the Sky beyond "holding my hand" - for which she got T (as it seems very town beneficial) Just a small note here: I wouldn't take that as alignment indicative myself. As far as I can tell for the most part she's just guiding you through your thoughts on me which could mean: 1. She's town, and wants to get you onto the same page as other people. 2. Me and her are scummates and she's deliberately guiding you away from me. 3. She's scum, I'm not, and she's trying to curry favour with me since I was being heavily townread. At least that's how I'd read it in your position. So basically it could mean anything.
I read 1. Ruling out 2 on my hard T read of you. Thought about (wifom) 3 but she's been a lot more active and besides not having the best reaction to EoD I don't see the rest of her posts supporting scum.
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Still super waffly about Superbia. Looking forward to his answers hoping they push me in the one or other direction.
Didn't like sicklucker before, starting to see him more as a towny as of now.
Still don't like The Shining and prplhz at all. Willing to vote for both of them. Since there is already pressure on prplhz...
The Shining: Convice me you are towny and your D2 is as good as claimed. Make me remove my vote on you. Go! 
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On May 07 2015 01:45 Half the Sky wrote:
sicklucker and Celestial - evaluate Superbia's behaviour INDEPENDENT of meta (or in this case his RB claim).
There are town and mafia motivations for claiming RB.
My contention is that his behaviour in this game there is a mafia agenda. To sum up my arguments.
1 Loaded questions - both to myself and Stutters - generally unproductive
2 Misdirection plays
3 The quote where he talks in absolutes where he's basically asking to dismiss him as a scum candidate
4 The DT claim request - DT claims this early in the day destroy the day
5 Behaviour EoD 1 was a "toys out the pram" approach to getting me lynched and his read progression was lacking with OMGUS in there
6 Post lynch he has ZERO focus on me and goes off on Stutters
And finally the meta - I am not meta reading it but the above looks very bad, I don't care that he's active because activity alone does not guarantee he's pure.
I hate defending myself as town and I fucking hate explaining myself. What is my goal here as mafia? "chaos"? What utter bullshit. I am hard to follow, and it has caused me to get misslynched in the past 2 games, so get over it. I don't explain shit because I hate doing it. I want to find mafia and solve the game, not writes pages of text regarding my thought process. Blargh.
1. Loaded questions? Are you fucking serious? I asked stutters for the rest of the team simply because I wanted to know his mafia reads outside of prp. What other loaded questions were there? And how do they come from a mafia mindset.
2. I genuinely don't even know what this means. Is this an assumption of my underlying mindset?
3. I should be dismissed from being a scum candidate. FF is my favorite player to play with, even if we are differently aligned. He was obviously VT and not a role as well. Why the fuck do I ever put KP on him? And before you bring up WIFOM, I have no reason to cover my ass or to use d1 KP to get WIFOM going. It's absolutely suboptimal. I hunt for PRs with KP, or strong town. You want to paint the world in which I kill my favorite player who is OBVIOUSLY VT and to WASTE THE ROLEBLOCK. Wow, what mafia play.
4. DT claim? What are you even talking about? Is this the whole red check confirm thing I asked because someone softed it? Yeah, I want to know whether a questionable person is adamant about scum-reading (and literally only doing that) one of my townies.
5. Well at least I didn't fucking join the scott wagon like the rest of the "townies", right? I tried to salvage a disastrous d1 by going on you. Yes, I absolutely believed you were mafia at EoD1. Your two "red" reads? Both town. I did not see any real scum hunting, just someone tagging along trying to appear town. Sure, your posts were big, but mafia can make big posts. Even if you flipped town it would've gotten us way more information from the votes than the garbage we have now.
6. Because I re-evaluated you completely and this is the world I want to live in today.
Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me.
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personally i don't think i have a read on superbia. he is just null to me and i plan to keep him there. he is town for having non-conforming reads on d1. mafia superbia picks middle of the road easy reads day 1 and blends. but then he has been so aggressively trying to pocket me that it makes me wary and put him back to null. but he also has that sick ritoky town read....so dunno. claiming the RB when you're a high lynch candidate as scum is meh maybe he did that. i have done it before, tends not to help things but he could have.
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Like do me a fucking favour, and assume that both camps are town (super/ritoky + celestial/hts) for today and see how that works out, okay?
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On May 07 2015 02:30 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:24 ritoky wrote:On May 07 2015 02:20 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 02:02 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:53 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:36 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy at work (catering a shit load of luncheons today). Where in the blue hell are you getting 75% from?
Homeboy might be scum, but I'm not getting how you reach those odds. 50% chance theres a veteran in the game. Mafia will always roleblock ff last night incase hes a veteran so they dont lose a kp. This is just standard mafia play and the correct play. Maybe I should lower it a bit because it is a newbie game but I know super 100% makes this play. 0-25% added because super might claim rb as mafia even if theres not a veteran because he has won games doing it before (meta) thats how I got 50-75% Do you remember what game he claimed RB as scum in? 75% is a strong estimate. That looks real bad for you (like almost have to lynch you d3 bad) if he flips town so I want to see where you're coming from. Hts just linked it. Its not me to say if you should lynch me if im wrong or not. But making mathematical mechanical game decisions is kind of my town play style and im right more then im wrong I'll check it out when I have more time, but if you're wrong you've contributed next to nothing and will have caused a mislynch based on probability rather than anything really mafia related. I'll check out your previous games tonight/tomorrow (no rush on that really since it wouldn't be applicable until d3 in this case), but surely you can see how bad that would look. Im offering you a really good lynch math does not lie! This preflip blame is hella scummy We've had a really good lynch since n1 and you're directing attention away from him on the basis of a RB claim. That's hella scummy. am assuming you mean prpl? if he was such a good lynch, why did you do nothing to get him lynched? Obviously. My points are all throughout my filter and they haven't changed because he still is doing nothing. If you want me to rehash everything into a 5p essay I can, but it should be completely unnecessary. The dude is scum.
yes but on day 1 you didn't put prp and the word lynch near eachother. in fact the only person you considered lynching was scott. you didn't really try to convince any1 of your case on prp, and then immediately following the flip you got high and mighty and was like "voting for prp no matter what" and now you're saying he has been a good candidate all game. well obviously not good enough for you to try to make the lynch day 1. you seemed very content where your vote was, and this seems like revisionist history a bit.
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Also The Shining should be the singular focus right now. I stopped pressuring him d1 to give him an opportunity to contribute to the game, and he has done absolutely nothing. Kill, kill, kill.
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On May 07 2015 02:30 ritoky wrote:
hts you think that 2 of the 4 people who didn't vote on a townie d1 are mafia? and that of those 4, me and disform are the most town?
think about it in that light.
I think I understand you. You're saying that is it possible that 2 scum voted me....but disinformation voted Scott. Wagon was 3 votes on me, you sup and prp.
I'm trying to avoid associations. It is possible that scum can form counterwagon to remove attention from themselves, though Superbia did that when the wagon on Scott was high. He wasn't invested in the Scott lynch at all. So this is a point in favour of him.
D2 I didn't just have a problem with one quote, I have problems with multiple things. If he can explain that, then it's one thing.
prplhz on the other hand looked really bad. I don't recall him being invested in that lynch, but he was trying to push me from the backseat (unlike you and Superbia).
I'm not scumreading disinformation (yet). I picked his brain a little and he's looking okay for now.
On May 07 2015 02:30 ritoky wrote:
also i am pretty sure a literal 0 amount of people have called superbia town this game. maybe 1. so the lynch seems a lot easier to me with multiple people essentially pre-voting.
For what I recall, there are three people that scummed him relatively solidly. That's hardly a majority.
Celestial did D1 but it was associative, and now he's not sure. Stutters and myself had problems with him, and I still do. The newbies - I have no idea where they stand. Shining - no clue if his reads have changed. You I thought townread him.
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