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There is not a fundamental difference in how to play mafia even if you aren't spending 10 hours in a game.
You can convince people to vote on the person you want even if you spend 5 posts in a given phase doing so, rather than half heartidly putting shade on people as has been done previously.
For example X shouldnt' be the lynch it should be Y. Is all fine and good if its met with any substantial post explaining why exactly that person is scum which doesn't take a substantial amount of time to do. For example you quoted my read on truffle and then quoted his posts but drew no conclussions at all from my post, nor the implications of what that means.
This is a major red flag, nor do you give any real explanation on why they should lynch me just that I am full of fluff and my reads aren't as intricate. That is not a good reason o lynch someone
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my biggest problem with yamato is the lack of a real push when it comes down to it
i liked his day 1 posting, too...it's why i had him as a townread lol >< the actions just aren't matching up with the words, though
he said he'd talk tonight. we can give him a chance to talk
i may be willing to spring for an artanis lynch tomorrow as well? or a breshke one lol >< though i think if he's scum here that will be me beating my head against a wall with how many people are townreading him
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artie, thoughts on bresh please
and yeah, i'm out now. ttyl folks...unless y'all start trying to pull a ninja lynch lol ><
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On April 26 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote:
There is not a fundamental difference in how to play mafia even if you aren't spending 10 hours in a game.
You can convince people to vote on the person you want even if you spend 5 posts in a given phase doing so, rather than half heartidly putting shade on people as has been done previously.
For example X shouldnt' be the lynch it should be Y. Is all fine and good if its met with any substantial post explaining why exactly that person is scum which doesn't take a substantial amount of time to do. For example you quoted my read on truffle and then quoted his posts but drew no conclussions at all from my post, nor the implications of what that means.
This is a major red flag, nor do you give any real explanation on why they should lynch me just that I am full of fluff and my reads aren't as intricate. That is not a good reason o lynch someone
I made it clear why I thought you were scum:
It's Day 2, many hours have passed and you hadn't given any kind of analysis that town!Damdred usually does, whereas you had been posting fluff as well as read progressions I couldn't follow. It doesn't need to be this Eureka! thing or anything like that. You don't need ten reasons to ping someone out. I looked at a few of your towngames and they looked remarkably different in that you gave detailed reasons for your scumreads whereas you didn't here.
I quoted those posts because I saw no read progression from you on Trfel that could explain going from having him as your top scumread to your second.
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On April 26 2015 07:53 rsoultin wrote:
artie, thoughts on bresh please
and yeah, i'm out now. ttyl folks...unless y'all start trying to pull a ninja lynch lol ><
I haven't re-evaled him since considering him my top townread. His tone is super clear town!Bresh. I did meta him in this way in LXX though, so he might've taken this into account for this game. Will reread soonish.
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It's a subjective post with a few thoughts thrown in. I can vote foe scum read 2 or scum read 1. Either way I ruined town damdreds meta of super long posts and nobody reads them anyway sadly.
Also people fall rise or stay neutral, I doubt ita even your posting less that truly has me scumreading you but there is little purpose or real drive when you post and the follow up and wanting to lynch who you want is lacking. And when something does happen feels superficial
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Cycle 2.2:
There is no majority. Day continues.
It takes 5 votes to lynch.
until the next cycle ends.
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Votecount:
Yamato77 (2) - Palmar, WaveofShadow
until the end of the next cycle.
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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Here, reading
I'll answer stuff as I'm going if you have anything specific atm
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Thoughts on
1) Art
2)Yamato
3) breahke
then general thoughts
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On April 26 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still have an issue with how he treated EoD and beginning of day as scum---like that's super shit play and screaming TMI at everyone, especially considering the explanations and posts he made after the fact. wave wave wave wave wave! can you explain what you meant here about yamato? when i first read it i thought you meant that made you more inclined to think he's scum, but on a reread it actually looks like this is why you weren't voting him back to the gloating bit about bh or what?
Yes pretty much. I've done this as town before and got called scum for it personally and I have no fucking clue why because it just seems like a really stupid thing to do for all the reasons I outlined. I mean that doesn't mean he's not scum I suppose, but it just seems like a really unlikely play from someone who is supposed to not be drawing attention to themselves.
On April 26 2015 03:47 rsoultin wrote:
also, lol >< i'm slow
town circle shrunk to just me and palmar...? what happened to breshke? he and artie were the only two you trusted EoD1, and you've talked about artie since, but not bresh
I wouldn't call it a 'town circle,' but as of now yeah you're probably my strongest townreads. Breshke dropped off a little since I realized I had forgotten about him entirely since D1 which could be my fault entirely but I mean he was calling me town way before anyone else was too, and I am unfortunately easily pocketed (which is why I also remain slightly wary of you but more in a paranoia-everybody-could-be-scum kinda way. I'm the same way with Holyflare for obvious reasons).
Artanis actually I don't think I've talked about at all either for a while---he's probably around the same level as Breshke if I think about it. Generally decent posts and I liked some of his points against Trfel but he hasn't gone out on a limb a great deal. Probably townier than Breshke atm actually. I think I have 4-5 pages left to reread though so all this can change. I only skimmed at the time and there was a lot of conversation going on.
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On April 26 2015 10:33 Damdred wrote:
Thoughts on
1) Art
2)Yamato
3) breahke
then general thoughts
Some early stuff is above, going to reread all the stuff you guys talked about more for some greater detail.
On April 26 2015 04:42 Damdred wrote:
Filter Assessment:
First page of breshkes filter is dedicated to basically talking about wave for the most part. There were two or three posts I really liked on this part, the first was asking about why wave liked one vote better than another and why did he pick breshke. I really liked the thought put into this I think. A bit of overexplaining on the joke vote though that I didn't notice.
Really playful though at the start of second page with me, and i like that. Its obvious i'm being forced to do things and i'm being an ass sorta especially towards my waifu, but plays along to get me involved in the thread. I really could see town motivation to do this. I also see a good bit of reasoning and thought for some of the town reads, and even the vote on BH isn't bad, its poe but he explains it decently well. Page two looks really towny to me honestly.
Page three is a bit hit and miss not much activity, I don't think its necessarily fair to say that bresh doesn't have any scum reads, obviously voting for yamato. And is using a sort of POE list early when not much information is in the thread.
I can see scum sorta doing this, but not scumbreshke. After reading the filter again with all of this in mind I still give him a town stamp of approval at this point.
See, the bolded. I can't speak for Breshke specifically but I've done this before as scum and it's pretty effective. Probably somewhat important to consider that before this point nobody was talking about him and everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY townread him. And I believe he came back shortly after this post of yours, Damdred.
On April 26 2015 05:07 Damdred wrote:
I'm really not sure Rsoultin.
Page two of Breshkes filter just looks really good, for example why would you get someone who is disinterested in the game involved in the game and give them content when they are a good chance for a mislynch at that point.
I just have a hard time seeing some of these thoughts froms cum breshke
Maybe explain this post to me, because I'm nto sure what you're referring to here.
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Ah nvm I'm dumb rsoul explained it directly after. I'm not so sure I agree with his 'bringing you back into the game' as a towntell though---self bias can create a lot of problems with reads, and just because he read you/dealt with you in a certain way or is right certainly doesn't make him town.
In other news I'm pretty sure you're town at this point (page 40) though I want to see how you deal with interactions from the other people who I know pop in. Not too hard to carry on a 1v1 conversation with obvtown.
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On April 26 2015 05:50 rsoultin wrote:yo, wave, that bragging bit you were saying was unlikely to come from a scum yama? xP he only started talking about it after i followed up on truffle's point that yamato's view of bh was contradictory (lazy as fuck -> he'll put forth the effort if given the chance), so...don't think that argument in favor of yamato's play holds water
i don't think his push on you early on was terrible? the one against artanis was pretty blah though -_- and having no alternative after pushing hard at you and artanis and even saying he didn't like damdy, then disappearing for 40 minutes before the lynch after saying we should give bh more time, just looks bad, frankly Show nested quote +On April 24 2015 10:29 yamato77 wrote:On April 24 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote:
strategy talk aside i'm actually fine with how you handled the bh lynch, though...looks pretty natural at a second look
mmmmrrrrt i was supposed to be doing schoolwork >< you distractions xP while you're doing that, I'll be formulating updated reads also this was almost 48 hours ago lol >< and no, no new reads
Bolded: he didn't even really push me. Read what he did again.
I don't think him doing it just because you attacked him nullifies the point at all because it's the gloating I'm talking about specifically (namely, the point you first commented on) not the explanation. If you want to talk about the explanation after the fact , well especially if you take what Damdred was just saying about Breshke 'bringing him back into the game' at face value. Sometimes people either need a push, or something strikes them that they need to respond. Personally I'm one of those people that will foam at the mouth when called scum because it usually means I'm being misrepresented or it's for shit reasons---I can't speak for what made yamato post there specifically, but it's the gloating post I see as hard to come from scum specifically.
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I know I'm like octupleposting here so I'll try to put all my thoughts into this last one.
I still really hate how everybody's reads on Trfel all seem to be meta-based.
Damdred's, Rsouls, Artanis's (mostly). It's like nobody attempts to read the guy based on what he has done within this game, and that's what really bugs me about meta use. All it takes is one game for scum to pick up on what they know you know about them and they turn it against you, even IF you were right 100% of the time before that.
On April 26 2015 06:57 Breshke wrote:
I dont have much time ill have to leave soon and be gone for like an hour after deadline but rso your points seems to explain eachother.
I dont have any scunreads just a bunch of townreads then palamar drops a good casr on yama who is.not ome of my townreads so i dont see whats wrong with sheeping this. (what reasons do you even scumread yama for like couldnt you say your reasons are other peoples reasons aswell)
then to find the last scum I PoE and damdred and srt hadnt impressed me today when normally i feel like they are high impact players.
Ehhhhh I find this post hard to come from scum tbh. The others too. Except for this one...just rubs me the wrong way a little even if it's true.
On April 26 2015 07:14 Breshke wrote:
Im gonna stop derailing u and damdred cos yourshit seems productive and I cant do shit all on phone. Be round later unlrss we lynch
Can't explain that one exactly. It just looks like a post that is specifically tailored to make him look good? I dunno.
Probably wouldn't lynch breshke today though. Might want to see some real stuff when he comes back though. Like really real.
On April 26 2015 07:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 07:32 Breshke wrote:On April 26 2015 07:27 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 05:50 rsoultin wrote:yo, wave, that bragging bit you were saying was unlikely to come from a scum yama? xP he only started talking about it after i followed up on truffle's point that yamato's view of bh was contradictory (lazy as fuck -> he'll put forth the effort if given the chance), so...don't think that argument in favor of yamato's play holds water i don't think his push on you early on was terrible? the one against artanis was pretty blah though -_- and having no alternative after pushing hard at you and artanis and even saying he didn't like damdy, then disappearing for 40 minutes before the lynch after saying we should give bh more time, just looks bad, frankly On April 24 2015 10:29 yamato77 wrote:On April 24 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote:
strategy talk aside i'm actually fine with how you handled the bh lynch, though...looks pretty natural at a second look
mmmmrrrrt i was supposed to be doing schoolwork >< you distractions xP while you're doing that, I'll be formulating updated reads also this was almost 48 hours ago lol >< and no, no new reads that is mostly why i am scumreading yamato yes...do i need more reasons that that, really? No lol this is my point exactly. This is good enough to scumread yama. But if you think this is original and not just a sheep pf palmars thing your kidding yourself. i think it is quite amusing that you are trying to compare my alignment to yours by saying that i'm sheeping palmar, too (i never claimed not to be) when i actually have brought original scumreads/suspicions to the table (including on yamato) and you have not at all on anyone with the notable exception of saying that we were two of your non-townreads who townread each other...which means essentially zilch anyway you know who else i'm sheeping? truffle xP his second point is one of the points i agree with and i think makes yamato more likely scum the 40 minutes comment was entirely mine, and also that his "bragging" isn't alignment indicative when he was asked about his contradiction in reads on BHnow go do something worthwhile, like address the actual reason i'm scumreading you, rather than trying to compare us to one another. you're not me
I commented on this and I don't agree. At this point I'm not entirely sure why I'm defending him though because he really has done shit all aside from a few good posts and a couple things I think are hard to come from scum. Bleh. Still seems like best lynch overall.
Damdred v Artanis I think I need more time. Artanis is hard.
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BTW, it's shit like this that made me question Trfel about 100 times. It didn't take me that long to go through the posts I had missed/skimmed, so why does it take him hours to read like 3 pages when he says he's doing it?
If anyone's around I'm up to talk, though apparently my timing is shit compared to everyone else's. Gonna reread Trfel/Breshke/Damdred/Artanis in the meantime.
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On April 26 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
I think that you are really wrong on breshke though.
If you think Yamato is scum, do you really see scum breshke going for the bus in this situation? okay i'm gonna be honest here i've got a couple wild theories that really cannot be voiced >< however i do think it's actually quite likely with yamato getting this much heat and apparently deciding to roll over and die that if he is scum - and i believe he is - his scummate would buss him lol >< in breshke's case, i know this sounds a little crazy paranoid, but i do not like how much he interacted with wave, yamato and myself without coming to a conclusion on yamato's alignment, barely mentioning him, and then arbitrarily linking him to me. especially if yamato is scum i don't like the sudden (mostly unexplained) reversal in read on me i don't like him suddenly wanting to lynch yamato for other people's reasons i don't like his general lack of scumreads or suspicions i could be completely wrong and i'm 100% aware of that lol >< i'm wrong a lot. however, the answer is yes, i could definitely see scum!breshke who is generally townread bussing scum!yamato who is generally scumread and rolling over there's also this to consider...we're currently at 6v2...presuming yamato is scum at best we start day 3 at 5v1 or 4v1 depending on whether or not a shot was withheld...which allows us one more mislynch xP breshke is sitting cozy enough to pull off two mislynches, i think, if he's scum here i mean there's who else? you art truffle maaaaybe palmar yeah i think it's quite possible
So im going to try explain what i was saying before.
First of all my flip on you rso.
On April 23 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:meh >< i kinda hate this cause people asking me about tone/meta reads is not something i'm good at explaining. i kept yelling at people to lynch rayn in guardians but my explanation wasn't good enough for anyone xP naturally he was scum nnnnnn so when i think of town truffle i think of a truffle who is not afraid of how he looks - silly votes on artie and unvoting to become the hammer vote on bh when i think of town truffle, i think of a truffle whose reads tend to change a lot until he starts tunneling - the read progressions on you and yamato that you both found "odd"...example of tunneling would be tere >< when i think of town truffle, i think of a sarcastic twit lol >< - this is where i started townreading him: Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.
Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.
when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want! I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town, lol >< the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP oh yes, it was amazing, truffle -golf claps- Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why! In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far? when i think of a town truffle, i think of a devil's advocate, much like breshke - there are several instances where he argued the opposite point of view as a possibility, if not necessarily what he himself believed ^ that is what makes up my read on a town truffle, and i don't know how to make that helpful to the rest of the thread. i've been very successful with it
This is one of the posts I really liked because people were scumming trfel for like flip flopping on shit or whatever but I don't see this as scummy and it felt like you were kind of going against thread sentiment at the time to defend trfel. Add to this the fact that wave made me realise that we had the same reaction to the BH wagon thing I started to feel good about you aswell. Also i thought that you getting like annoyed and angry at me to the scale you did was similar to the last game we played together but when i went back and looked it wasn't anywhere to the same degree. This made me think you were town as the emotion was probably not faked but im just now realising that you had irl stuff pissing you off as well so its not really allighnment indicitive cos you mightve just been angry at that not at the game as much idk if that makes sense.
Then me wanting to lynch yamato. So if you followed my reads at EoD if you add you to the people i thought was town I really only had palmar and yamato left so I already obviously thought he might be scum. Then when Palmar makes a case that i really like it makes me feel better about palmar and im happy to sheep that case because it has good points and sheeping isnt always a bad thing.
This then elads into my lack of scumreads because I was townreading everyone except two people then sheeped one of those people to vote the other one. So I thought to my self obviously im wrong on some of my townreads. So i reconsidered and at the time damdred and art hadn't done anything for a while which in my experience is very unlike them. So I didn't feel good about them anymore.
Now in recent pages I really like damdred. Posts like this
On April 26 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote:I have read his filter twice, his explanation of why we should vote pressure people I like that and his exchange over that. His reaction to who people target is really good I thought at points, his play today has been abysmal though is the only thing that is bad. But I also remember in mini mafia 2 his activity day 2 which was on a weekend/Friday just totally flatlined. really like this post to, it shows a form of thought and insight I wouldn't expect from scum yamato even if its a bit basic Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:28 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like Artanis' post where he comments on the case offhandedly and then votes trfel
but I also don't like trfel calling me mafia for shit reasons and then sheeping the BH lynch
Where he is actually going through and thinking about yamatos alignment and finding stuff he does like seems really townie as he is actually considering yamatos alignment instead of just hopping on the wagon even though he said he is just happy to just follow rsoultin christ
I need to probably reread art at some stage.
Also if you think im misunderstanding your reasons for thinking I am scum (which seems to happen often) can you try explain to me because i still think you are probably town so need you to work with me.
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This game is kinda getting easy to me.
I really like brwshkes and waves latest postings.
I really want both your thoughts about arts postings and my responses and push on him.
While I halfheartedly agree with you wave that pulling someone back into a game isn't necessarily only town I don't think I would do it as scum especially someone who is halfway a decent player (which is a bit of an ego thing) I know me personally id just let them rot in purgatory for lynch later.
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mrt kinda tired :/ honestly...still looking up stuff for school and basically just gave up cause bleh -_-
anyway
it's mostly just the lack of scumreads :/ i know that it's hard for you to generate scumreads as scum lol >< and the complete lack of presence this day phase up to this point. i also feel like a lot of your interaction with people was kind of periphery this game...the mediating in the wave/yamato thing for instance
like there are some other minor things here and there but those two issues are my main issues with you. like i don't understand if you have no scumreads why you wouldn't be in here banging down doors trying to find a good lynch. does that make sense? (yes i'm aware that there's a time difference, but that doesn't explain the entirety of your contributions yesterday consisting of asking palmar why he was townreading you lol ><)
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