EPTOn March 31 2015 04:55 yamato77 wrote:
I'd much prefer if we talked about crossfire, btw. HtS just isn't mafia.
I'd much prefer if we talked about crossfire, btw. HtS just isn't mafia.
I think we should. Sleeper scum likely.
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Half the Sky
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I think we should. Sleeper scum likely. | ||
yamato77
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On March 31 2015 05:02 Half the Sky wrote: I think we should. Sleeper scum likely. So you agree with my response? Also, to finish my last post, I read VA's filter and I've concluded that I hate both him and chez for it. Neither is a town read for me. I definitely feel like at least one is scum. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On March 31 2015 05:07 yamato77 wrote: So you agree with my response? Also, to finish my last post, I read VA's filter and I've concluded that I hate both him and chez for it. Neither is a town read for me. I definitely feel like at least one is scum. How did you arrive at this conclusion? | ||
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yamato77
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On March 31 2015 05:09 justanothertownie wrote: How did you arrive at this conclusion? Because a large part of both filters is simply shitting on the other one. I mean, they could both be town but I feel like VA is easy to snipe at. He could also just be mafia himself. It's difficult to know for sure. I would like Chez more if I felt like he had other reads, which he doesn't. At least VA has the crossfire thing going for him. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On March 31 2015 05:11 yamato77 wrote: Because a large part of both filters is simply shitting on the other one. I mean, they could both be town but I feel like VA is easy to snipe at. He could also just be mafia himself. It's difficult to know for sure. I would like Chez more if I felt like he had other reads, which he doesn't. At least VA has the crossfire thing going for him. Chez has other reads. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
So D1 he rolls out with a precon mayoral run post (link) with no actual platform. No read here, he constructed this pre-game probably. He scumreads Hapa for claiming not-wizard [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981706](link)[/urk] for which I'd give him some cred but he seems trolling in his followup. He makes some noises with Onegu and ExO_ about the election [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981750](link)[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981755](link)[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981767](link)[/url] which show he's paying attention and has read the OP, at least. His followup for his preconstructed mayoral run post is joking around as well [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981780]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981780[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981941]http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981941[/url] and he has a scumread [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981957](link)[/url] on VE for electing Yamato and rejecting him, which again seems joking. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981974](link)[/url]. His response to ritoky [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981979](link)[/url] seems genuine though, but you don't see him scumreading WoS even though WoS does the same thing as VE [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982057](link)[/url] which means his thought process isn't as he revealed earlier. He then like, obviates most of what he said earlier by claiming to be a troll [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982068](link)[/url]. It seems like he gets serious after this, and tells LS that scum wouldn't no-lynch in either situation, which doesn't sound strictly accurate, since why not save a teammate? He does end on the right note, though, which is to auto-lynch a rogue who no-lynches. Still, I see this as largely scum-motivated as it tells people "don't be afraid to vote for scum into the rogue role" which is NOT the message people should be hearing [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982112](link)[/url]. For this as his first serious post I don't like Keir. Meta defense, and hilariously, Meta defense based on unflipped associative tells. What a cluster. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982230](link)[/url] and also the kind of thing you can be one hundro percent wrong on and get no flak for. scumpoint for that. I like his smackdown on LS but since he's just pointing out facts I don't give him scumpoints for the glorious destruciton of LS' points. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982242](link)[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982249](link)[/url]. more trolling [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982316](link)[/url] and a tacit admittance that his scumreads are troll reads [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982321](link)[/url]. The next serious analysis he does is saying they should wait on crossfire [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982795](link)[/url] before scumreading him, and a call-out [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23982809](link)[/url] for which he gets some credit. He defends exo and brings up evidence [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23985510](link)[/url], which is possibly the best thing he's done so far in terms of "helping the town" because he's taking a solid stane. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23987014](link)[/url]. I don't think this overtakes his suggestions on the rogue election which misleads town. I want to take a moment to address Keirathi's defense of ExO_ [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23987081](link)[/url]. He says, [QUOTE]On March 29 2015 07:04 Keirathi wrote: [QUOTE]On March 29 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote: [QUOTE]On March 29 2015 06:50 Keirathi wrote: VE: There's basically no way a scum ExO made that post I was talking about. Scum marv/rayn/hf/jat? Absolutely. But look at all of his other posts. That's the only post where he's being snarky, everything else is him posting cautiously/carefully. Hmm...how to say what I'm trying to say... Basically, in general if people are posting cautiously/carefully as scum, they don't suddenly break out into snark-mode just to poke at one of the vets. I find it very, very unlikely that ExO_ did that "just to find something to call out" as you put it.[/QUOTE] What about exo's filter made you feel like he was posting cautiously/carefully? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 11:56 ExO_ wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 11:53 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 11:51 VisceraEyes wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 10:54 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 10:50 VisceraEyes wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 10:49 sicklucker wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 10:02 Crossfire99 wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 09:56 sicklucker wrote: Ok so I have veteran powers and im never a nk. So ill just hardclaim so we have a confirmed town as mayor[/QUOTE] Like I don't even know what to say to this. Ugh. If you really wanted to make the most of your role and be the best town you could be, then you should have tried to play well so you would get night killed assuming you are telling the truth. This is just so ridiculous...I don't care how bad you think you are. Just try and don't do stuff like this.[/QUOTE] People dont respect my town game im never a nk[/QUOTE] If I had to guess, I'd say that "preemptively explaining why you weren't nightkilled" falls under the "stuff he doesn't like" category...[/QUOTE] get out of my head xP[/QUOTE] *gets on ur head instead* Have a taste of ur own medicine woman![/QUOTE] nuuu! -sits on head- my throne! mine! leaning town on lightningstrike lol his usual metaread for me is "she's too happy to be scum" so i can believe he thinks he's right here. more to the point, i don't see a scum!lightningstrike being this aggressive[/QUOTE] idk in Guardians he did something similar with "meta" reads when he said something along the lines of "I think ExO is town based on the Student Game we played last". Granted, now he's reading scum where in Guardians he was reading me as town. Still doing that same silly kinda meta reading back to back as scum would be silly, so maybe I'm just over thinking it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote: I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 22:10 ExO_ wrote: [QUOTE]On March 28 2015 21:41 Holyflare wrote: Bla bla mechanics. Tell me what you got from interactions don't ignore what I'm saying artanis[/QUOTE] I've gotten very little. I'm leaning town on rsoultin. I lean town on you as well, but not as much as rsoultin. Everybody else? Almost nothing. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick scum I'd probably say JAT right now. He's answering questions and responding which I like, but he's not really adding information. He's not offering anything just reacting to what's there. It's the kinda thing that I think looks decent but isn't really helping town at all.[/QUOTE] Basically he's just hiding around the sidelines saying soft/safe/obvious things. It's all very different from that one post where he called VE out.[/QUOTE] about ExO_, and he says it as defense. I got very confused when I read this, because this case reads like an attacking case, not a defending case. I thought he was calling ExO_ scum, because the thing he's describing ExO_ as doing here is scummy: not being willing to take stances, not willing to make cases, trying to blend in. Anyone who saw ExO_ doing that would think "ExO_ is scum". This defense really rings false with me, it's definitely fabricated. It's scum who plays safe, not town. It's scum who tries not to get noticed (in this way, at least), not town. This makes no sense, this is a made up train of thought. Keirathi scum for this too. Bad met aargument re JAT w/ ExO_ [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23987785](link)[/url] So I think I have a good handle on things now, Keirathi's line of thought doesn't make since. His callouts on Hapa and OWS later in the filter are fine, but he never writes a real case after that, just callouts. Based on his mild pushing of "don't care about the rogue" and more importantly, the fact that his ExO_ defense makes no sense (as in, you'd think it was a case if you didn't know it was a defense), I think that Keirathi's writing and thoughts don't follow a real organic train of thought. He's making up his reads. Not his interactions and callouts, btw, which seem legit and anyone can do, but his actual reads and development are artifical and it shows. We lynch Keir tomorrow imo. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On March 28 2015 08:07 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm probably just going to vote for the person who wants to lynch someone who I think is scum. I don't think we need to get any more complicated than that. Obviously, people will need to say who they want to lynch so we can do that. So we basically just play mafia. Let's start with this first. (bolded) His first two scumreads are LS and Hapa per filter. He is fine with either of them being gone, but then questions HF as to why he wants LS over Hapa. Somewhere discussion of LS falls off, presumably when LS claims (admittedly I havent' checked exactly when LS claimed, just that it's fallen off). He continues to push Hapa and then throws his vote on Holyflare, who was looking to take out sicklucker. In that post he also discusses BH. Now I know Holyflare was looking to eliminate Hapa before yamato told him (accrording to HF) to drop Hapa. If Crossfire voted HF after Holyflare started the anti-sicklucker campaign, then this actually proves that he wouldn't have cared who had gotten lynched especially as he'd gotten on the Hapa train. This is certain scumlike behaviour. I have to go back and search the thread, but this might shed more light on things. But yes Yamato, I do agree. I need to check and confirm, but content wise he looks poor. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
So D1 he rolls out with a precon mayoral run post (link) with no actual platform. No read here, he constructed this pre-game probably. He scumreads Hapa for claiming not-wizard (link) for which I'd give him some cred but he seems trolling in his followup. He makes some noises with Onegu and ExO_ about the election (link) (link) (link) which show he's paying attention and has read the OP, at least. His followup for his preconstructed mayoral run post is joking around as well http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981780 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23981941 and he has a scumread (link) on VE for electing Yamato and rejecting him, which again seems joking. (link). His response to ritoky (link) seems genuine though, but you don't see him scumreading WoS even though WoS does the same thing as VE (link) which means his thought process isn't as he revealed earlier. He then like, obviates most of what he said earlier by claiming to be a troll (link). It seems like he gets serious after this, and tells LS that scum wouldn't no-lynch in either situation, which doesn't sound strictly accurate, since why not save a teammate? He does end on the right note, though, which is to auto-lynch a rogue who no-lynches. Still, I see this as largely scum-motivated as it tells people "don't be afraid to vote for scum into the rogue role" which is NOT the message people should be hearing (link). For this as his first serious post I don't like Keir. Meta defense, and hilariously, Meta defense based on unflipped associative tells. What a cluster. (link) and also the kind of thing you can be one hundro percent wrong on and get no flak for. scumpoint for that. I like his smackdown on LS but since he's just pointing out facts I don't give him scumpoints for the glorious destruciton of LS' points. (link) (link). more trolling (link) and a tacit admittance that his scumreads are troll reads (link). The next serious analysis he does is saying they should wait on crossfire (link) before scumreading him, and a call-out (link) for which he gets some credit. He defends exo and brings up evidence (link), which is possibly the best thing he's done so far in terms of "helping the town" because he's taking a solid stane. (link). I don't think this overtakes his suggestions on the rogue election which misleads town. I want to take a moment to address Keirathi's defense of ExO_ and why this makes Keir scum. (link). He says, On March 29 2015 07:04 Keirathi wrote: Basically he's just hiding around the sidelines saying soft/safe/obvious things. It's all very different from that one post where he called VE out. about ExO_, and he says it as defense. I got very confused when I read this, because this case reads like an attacking case, not a defending case. I thought he was calling ExO_ scum, because the thing he's describing ExO_ as doing here is scummy: not being willing to take stances, not willing to make cases, trying to blend in. Anyone who saw ExO_ doing that would think "ExO_ is scum". This defense really rings false with me, it's definitely fabricated. It's scum who plays safe, not town. It's scum who tries not to get noticed (in this way, at least), not town. This makes no sense, this is a made up train of thought. Keirathi scum for this too. Bad met aargument re JAT w/ ExO_ (link) So I think I have a good handle on things now, Keirathi's line of thought doesn't make since. His callouts on Hapa and OWS later in the filter are fine, but he never writes a real case after that, just callouts. Based on his mild pushing of "don't care about the rogue" and more importantly, the fact that his ExO_ defense makes no sense (as in, you'd think it was a case if you didn't know it was a defense), I think that Keirathi's writing and thoughts don't follow a real organic train of thought. He's making up his reads. Not his interactions and callouts, btw, which seem legit and anyone can do, but his actual reads and development are artifical and it shows. We lynch Keir tomorrow imo. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
GG BH  | ||
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Blazinghand
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yamato77
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Scum reads? Strong ones? Not really. Most of his recent filter is role discussion, which is fine but also not incredibly helpful. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On March 31 2015 05:19 yamato77 wrote: Scum reads? Strong ones? Not really. Most of his recent filter is role discussion, which is fine but also not incredibly helpful. I pmed with him and he certainly has reads. VA might be his strongest scumread by far though. | ||
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justanothertownie
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I think the rest of this post is not entirely bad. | ||
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yamato77
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On March 31 2015 05:23 justanothertownie wrote: I pmed with him and he certainly has reads. VA might be his strongest scumread by far though. Doesn't help me much. Admittedly, he's null for me so you needn't worry. I like BH's post. I'll go ahead and take some credit for my soft town read of him early. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On March 30 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote: i think we should default lynch sicklucker for having 3 page filter in a 101 page game when his mafia tell that he loves to talk about is having no filter /discuss On March 30 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote: i will lynch sicklucker for either being mafia or 3p with a good chance of being mafia for having 3 pages of filter because i'd feel like as 3p he's be just as productive as town it also allows all these "coin flip" ppl to talk more On March 30 2015 07:26 Holyflare wrote: a lynch on sl is a lynch on guaranteed not town! Holyflare talks anti-sicklucker for at least 60-90m prior to Crossfire voting him. On March 30 2015 07:39 Crossfire99 wrote: I had to step away, but I'm back now. I see now BH is a target but slam doesn't want him lynched because he and the lyncher will die. Hmmmm. Kita's post on BH looks good and I have a town read on kita, so I'd want BH dead, but not if it kills the lyncher which will probably be rsoultin. I'm thinking of voting for HF because he needs to be in the top 3 because he's town. Yeah, I'll vote for HF now. ##Vote: HolyFlare And no mention of sicklucker or Hapa in the post where he votes Holyflare. Even better he tries to use a filter length argument for defending sicklucker but if he believed HF was making the wrong choice, he should have at least pushed Hapa moreor moved his vote to someone that would have supported whom he felt was scum, just as he said from the off. I checked the vote thread. No such change. It was a soft push against. He's scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
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1. weird discussion of rogue that might mislead town (minor) 2. defense of ExO_ that makes abso-fuckin-lootley no sense and shows a non-town, artificial thought process (major) 3. most of his other stuff is off the cuff interaction, no other serious cases or thought process to follow (moderate) | ||
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justanothertownie
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On March 31 2015 05:25 Half the Sky wrote: And no mention of sicklucker or Hapa in the post where he votes Holyflare. Even better he tries to use a filter length argument for defending sicklucker but if he believed HF was making the wrong choice, he should have at least pushed Hapa moreor moved his vote to someone that would have supported whom he felt was scum, just as he said from the off. I checked the vote thread. No such change. It was a soft push against. He's scum. When did he do that? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On March 31 2015 04:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Discuss. Language like "Shout if I'm wrong" and "I could be off" etc etc I like this. | ||
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