Mafia Mini Mafia2: another miniature game of mafia

On April 07 2015 02:48 Palmar wrote:
I need to roll scum this game so I can abuse the 4am deadline.

On April 07 2015 15:39 Eden1892 wrote:
all the grumpykins are mafia y/n?

On April 07 2015 18:00 Koshi wrote:
##vote Vivax

In case I don't return. Most mafia of all.

On April 07 2015 18:46 Palmar wrote:
Vivax are you town?

If you are town, why do you believe Koshi is voting you?

On April 07 2015 19:00 Palmar wrote:

I just did because you kinda prompted me to.

Do you think I'm mafia?

On April 07 2015 19:15 GlowingBear wrote:


He says he is town but he will look scummy enough to me considered being lynched ("will this be the game that I will be lynched as town?"). It's kinda he is saying "hey guys, I'll be acting scummy but don't lynch me because I am town".

Then he says he won't post a lot. Why? And why he is so cautious that he needs to tell us that right in the opening? And why only now and not before game started?

On April 07 2015 19:27 Palmar wrote:

It just means you're not as good as me.

On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:

The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all.

On April 08 2015 12:57 Eden1892 wrote:
thread direction sucks, time to do something about it

On April 08 2015 13:15 Eden1892 wrote:

the guy i scumread earlier had the same reaction as i did

On April 08 2015 14:07 rsoultin wrote:


xP and he specifically promised to try this game as either alignment in the same teamspeak session holyflare was referencing earlier

more to the point, all he's done is called a few posts horrible and bitch. are you telling me that's his towngame? cause if so I want some proof, please and thank you

On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia

If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.

So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water

On April 07 2015 22:05 GlowingBear wrote:




Are you Mafia with Damdy?

On April 07 2015 22:07 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote GlowingBear

I might be voting for a townie now. But seriously...

On April 08 2015 03:35 Koshi wrote:
Vivax: He is off.
Holyflare: I don't think I had a real reason.
GB: What Palmar said.

On April 08 2015 15:27 Vivax wrote:








Palmar said that at April 07 2015 19:39

So Koshi isn't evaluating my behaviour in regards to GB and Palmar. That I asked Palmar to go into his scumreads, that I discussed it with him, that I accepted his reasoning on GB ultimately. But this isn't even my best point.

The most scummy thing here is that he only seems to scumread GB when I point out that he called Palmar town on the previous page, and yet gives Palmar's case as reason to scumread GB later on.
In that case there was no reason for him to say "I might be voting for a townie", cause apparently he already agreed with what Palmar said.

On April 08 2015 22:09 Koshi wrote:

Can somebody explain me this?

DR is saying he shouldn't get flak for his "disconnected" question because it spawned discussion?

What happens in 1) ?
What happened in 2) ?
Who and what is 3) ?

And why does 1 to 3 make DR a town hero?

On April 08 2015 22:18 Koshi wrote:

Is that what DR is saying here? He points out that as mafia he doesn't get anything from getting a random townread from Damdred?

On April 08 2015 23:13 rsoultin wrote:


mine isn't fake xD

you've barely said a word about me all game and now you have me listed as the scummiest because I ask questions? but you're not voting for me? what is that?

^ oh noes i be asking more questions! even more mafia!

On April 08 2015 23:42 rsoultin wrote:
it matters re: vivax because he virtually had no reads despite camping in the thread all day and making comments that went nowhere, then now apparently after going back through filters his reads are all super weak/not intellgent at all

granted your paranoia makes me facepalm a lot, viva, but you're a smart player. those reads weren't smart. i think you're having trouble finding reasons for your reads and that's why your list looks so atrocious

it matters re: damdy because palmar's not "going about" something a different way. he's literally reading the same posts and coming away with completely different intentions for them. you sit here and go, palmar is town, gb is still scum (whether his post served no purpose or was trying to stop a "shitfight"), whatever gb posts for whatever reason makes him scum. no. don't buy, bro. and that doesn't address any of my other issues with you

On April 08 2015 23:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


That's a lame way of omgusing.

On a side note, I don't think the Vivax push is spectacular and I don't see how his listpost is inherently scummy.

On April 08 2015 23:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Town can totally call your reads bad. I, for one, do it all the time.

On April 09 2015 00:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


She explained her yamato read.

The only point listed here you might have is that she agreed with ritoky without scumreading DR, but I don't think that's scummy either especially since I was thinking something along the same lines.

On April 09 2015 00:57 rsoultin wrote:


OWS, it's the game set-up, and it's one of the major reasons i was townreading you (i have a few better reasons now) that you didn't notice ^^ i still see little reason for mafia to do that game thing, but his general gameplay has been underwhelming, so he's been downgraded. That and I may be reading too much into something entirely unintentional.

On April 09 2015 09:24 DreadReturn wrote:

To generalize, it would be he is never at the forefront of discussion - he isn't really getting his thoughts out there or pushing his agenda. Merely commenting and taking a backseat approach to things. It gives off the feeling that he wants to look active, but isn't interested in actually getting scum lynched.

Additionally, his viewpoint of the GB / Palmar / me trio has shifted in a way that I think was unnatural.

On April 09 2015 12:31 yamato77 wrote:

All you're doing is being a shit and trying to fuck with the lynch. We need people consolidating their votes, not a million different wagons that don't provide any information. You're better than this as town.

On April 09 2015 12:52 Eden1892 wrote:

jat told me after xxx (i think? p. sure it was xxx) that i basically am a pseudo-innocent child when i roll town b/c the difference in my motivation as town vs as mafia is so obvious. i said he was right and promised him i'd try harder as scum to fix this, because i do think it's actually a big problem, and i don't like that my games have worked out that way

and i like to think i would take that promise seriously enough to try hard as mafia and not be lazy like this

On April 09 2015 12:42 rsoultin wrote:


I got to this post. Is there anything else I should see because now I want to lynch him for making up reads to save his ass. If it's to save your ass just man up and admit it -_-

prob won't catch up before EoD :/ you spammers

On April 09 2015 13:11 yamato77 wrote:
Should have switched to Vivax.

On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote:


Early game has been known to me for being not much serious and not very posty by many players. This early game instead kickstarted. I think an effective way to find scum in these stages is to find people who are too serious in a trolly environment and trying to look like they're posting a lot there.

Now there are voices that say that policy discussion favours mafia. Given the way people were still talking about the stupid mayor dozens of pages into the thread it also seems townies love to talk about policy just cause of the sheer amount of people talking about it. That will make it hard to identify mafia just based on policy talk alone.

What is instead possible is to categorize people into multiple classes based on the tone of their posts and also about policy interest, although mafia probably won't be findable just cause of the latter while townies talk so much about that as well.
Proceeding - chronological order:
______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Me: Jokey start.
MilkSuckler: Trolly start, bait post.
WaveOfShadow: Motivational early post, announces he'll lay back and watch.
Layabout: Posts a creepy drawing, proposes the policy to lynch policy proposers.
Toad: doesn't want to be mayor.
VE: Announces candidacy, asks if he should run against MS.
Aquanim: Serious question to MS if he wants to run despite no bodyguards.
Restraining Order: Says MS didn't read, subtly criticizes pre-written post.
Toad: Talks bad about MS cause of prewritten post. Turns it into a WF support into lynching MS right after. Then unvotes and uncovers the posts' origin.
ObviousOne: Candidacy of jokey nature.
JJ: Mayor irrelevant, vote for the guy lynching the right guy.
BH: Semi-jokey candidacy, attacks JJ for previous statement.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Prom: Candidacy with serious sounding post.
BH: Explains implications of mayoral candidacy.
JJ: Expresses doubts about WF's activity.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________
That is enough material to extrapolate useful information for a start. The line indicates more or less the moment shit gets serious and the joke phase is over. Pretty quickly that was.

Boring serious people: WoS, Toad, VE, aquanim, restraining order, JJ, Prom.
In between people: Layabout, BH
Jokey: Me, Milksuckler, ObviousOne

Talks about mayoral election: Toad, VE, aquanim, OO, JJ, BH
Doesn't talk about it: restraining order, me

Let's get down to business then. First of all I would like to give you my opinion about the mayoral election: I didn't give it much importance. One lynch, two votes, that's it. A townie looking guy gets elected, either a townie looking guy gets confirmed if he hits scum or townie looking scum rides the wave to a mislynch and can shake off responsibility for it.

My major interest laid in creating a nice atmosphere where we can have fun together and catch butterflies all day so that people who are scum actually feel safe to play like scum. What I've learned in past games is that people I read as scum got a valid reason to not answer questions when I actually read them as scum and called them like that.
"Oh what you call me scum you idiot fine I'll ignore you" fuck that shit.

To catch scum you have to let them feel cosy, when they think they didn't have the pressure to post for two days, then you will struck them with holy might knowing that they actually had the confidence to really play like lurky scum. When they don't know you will push for their lynch at deadline they will post more information, closer to their agenda than to the one made visible by townies.
Since town doesn't seem to want to adopt such an innovative strategy, let's move on with standard play.

Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions.
However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute.

ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts.

aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him.

Layabout could be lurky scum. If he's town I'd like him to post more. I remember him being an aggressive pusher as town in fruity mafia.

JJ is a good lynch candidate. His attack on me for playing casually is a scum trait, and he quit pursuing me asking me a weird question about what I think. Well, after the last refresh (23:40 TL time) I see he's actually back to get me. Saying I didn't follow up after calling him scummy for what he did, too bad that I went to sleep around 3 AM and I'm spending 2:30 hours with reading and writing this post, so his argument is again scummy and not thought out.
The argument he's used didn't apply to me, but also to Toad and some other dudes. He seems to think people trying to guess smurf identities are scum, as pointed out in my earlier post.

Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him.
What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference.
Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt.

Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason).
Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him.

I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me.

Geript looked pretty scummy to me yesterday, but since he's a newbie that might just be a consequence of that. His attacks on me cause of me being casual made me pretty suspicious, and his blabber about an agenda linked to that as well, but I don't want to lynch a newbie this early, they can look scummy as either alignment.

In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis.

On April 09 2015 23:21 Palmar wrote:
Like all of yall who were voting for DR are bad and should feel ashamed. He was bad, but he was bad in a very townie way.

On April 09 2015 23:26 Palmar wrote:

Do you want to lynch HF? Do you pledge your allegiance to team palmar?

On April 10 2015 00:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I demand to be a part of the anti-Holyflare task force.

On April 10 2015 02:22 rsoultin wrote:
-sits on viva's head-

whether you believe i'm the vigi or not, if he's town he'd do well to start looking it. for his own sake

idiot

HF might have been shot by town? Palmar got saved? If that is the case, scum could also have RB Holyflare. Was he going to shoot Vivax or Palmar? I think Vivax.

On April 10 2015 17:01 Koshi wrote:
If the town vig shot HF we know that HF his reads weren't as good as rsoultin and that Palmar likely got shot to frame HF. Anyway, we know that Palmar is town and that is the most important thing.

If the town vig forgot to shoot or got RB you shouldn't claim.


But please town vig claim...

On April 10 2015 18:10 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax you're not helping yourself here.

On April 10 2015 18:19 yamato77 wrote:

No they aren't, I clearly see Koshi's POV and how he got to where he got with the night action stuff. I also see how he made the mistake he did.

I mean, what are you even accusing him of? Being mafia, and calling a player town when he shouldn't have? Makes no fucking sense.

On April 07 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote:
I guess I'll iterate in very short terms on each one. Almost all of these are crazy weak at the moment, but here's what I've thought:

Damdred sounds towny and aggressive. Again I liked him attacking GB at the start of the game.
Vivax just doesn't sound like mafia and he sheeped my case.
rsoultin is a pita. Mafia are rarely massive pita.
HF said something early that I liked. Also I'm wifom gambling on him doing this as town now.
yamato is just a tone read
ritoky because I am going to gamble that his trolling act is a town thing.

Eden: can't even remember a post
DR: has he posted?

Koshi voted rsoultin for being a pita to me I think. It wasn't awful but I didn't like it. Also his scumteam isn't all that great.
Onegu framed his play "I'm going to use a lot of lyrics". He's again doing that thing where he says he'll do something then delivers on it.
Obi because of the "Right" post in response to GB
GB because of all the reasons I've already posted.

On April 10 2015 18:41 Palmar wrote:

The first one is just a gamble so it's not really a good read.

The second one is valid though. It's just not a very strong one.

On April 10 2015 19:01 Palmar wrote:

Eh.

I've talked about this before in other games, I'll see if I can find a link.

In essence. I believe that if you frame the way you're going to play in some particular way, you're giving yourself a constructed way to post so people won't expect you to break it. This makes posting as mafia much easier because you've already decided how you're going to post so you don't have to worry as much about the style or format of your posts.

On April 10 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote:
Why am I mafia Vivax?

On April 10 2015 20:50 sicklucker wrote:
Like vivax its a 100% fact that I just proved theres a mafia in dandred/palmer. Please prove me wrong. Lets not get in a pissing contest lets use logic

On April 09 2015 19:33 Palmar wrote:

I rescind my claim. I am not a town vig and if any idiot tries to shoot me based on that there will be problems postgame.

On April 10 2015 22:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Since when?

On April 10 2015 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Vivax actually sounds a lot less scummy today I think.

On April 10 2015 20:31 Palmar wrote:

I think it's unchanged? I haven't particularly re-read him.

On April 11 2015 00:03 Palmar wrote:

I sort of have to do it, yes.

Oh and I do question my reads, you've seen me flip on quite a few people this game already! I agreed with yamato's case on DR but unlike the rest of you bronze league scrubs I noticed the sincerity and frustration in his tone when he returned to the thread and fought against his lynch.

How's that for questioning my former reads?

On April 11 2015 00:08 Damdred wrote:
And what is your conclusion about Koshi from that Vivax?

On April 11 2015 00:26 Palmar wrote:


I chose him over you for Wifom. And it worked, because people read my filter for days thinking I was "saving" you.

I defended a townie because I don't suck. All of yall who voted him do suck.

On April 11 2015 01:16 Palmar wrote:

I actually agree.

Now can you shut up so the grown-ups can talk?

On April 11 2015 01:48 Palmar wrote:
you know what. It's almost weekend so I'm just gonna fuck off. I'm going to pretend no one is voting me or scumreading me and ignore you all because you've all proven you're bad. So what I'll do instead is at my own leisure, if I feel like it, drop some reads and hard hitting analysis in the thread that will probably go over your tiny heads anyway.

No more rage. I'm playing single player mafia now.

On April 11 2015 02:11 GlowingBear wrote:


Lol

People, listen to me once:

Damdred is Mafia
Palmar is Mafia

Lynch them and help me find the third
Win the game
Profit

On April 11 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote:
Don't worry vivax he already did and said it was just a narrative and when I answered him he totally never went back to it as he was lying.

On April 11 2015 02:21 GlowingBear wrote:


I've read his post. I think it was a huge effort. But not made by town, but by a Mafia afraid of getting shot. His vote count analysis isn't actually a vote count analysis, but mostly a narrative.

Like, seriously, Damdred CAN'T be town in this game. Simply can't.

On April 11 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote:
...you are ignoring the question why would I leave a huge legacy post in case I'm shot eight before deadline when nobody is basically in the thread

On April 11 2015 02:26 GlowingBear wrote:


I said I don't want to speculate on unreliable information, but palmar being scum vigi and being jailed and, therefore, not able to shoot, and scum roleblocker wasting his roleblock on one of the dead townies (mainly HF, who hinted he was JK but was also strongly scumread by a possible vigi) and you taking the chance to claim being roleblocked without a counterclaim and therefore distancing yourself from palmar.

This looks very plausible to me

On April 11 2015 02:40 ritoky wrote:
have first meetings with prenatal specialist today. not going to be around.

On April 11 2015 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Just read this from town Damdred. It's his case on me on Hearthstone Mafia

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=88#1747

Compare to how he approaches me in that game.
Compare to how he approaches me here.

Now tell me how can someone so sure of my gameplay can possibly approach me like he has been doing here.

And yes, Vivax, I find that very possible

On April 11 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote:


I've already explained how context here is different.

Anyway, here is the meta case I made on Damdred in Imperial Mafia:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/474082-imperial-mafia?page=433#8646

You can see that his play here mostly fits his scum meta

And I'll thoroughly analyse Damdred's massive post then, but later. Gonna take a nap.

I can get behind a Damdred or a Palmar lynch.

I need people to hell me why are they townreading each one. Specially Vivax. What in that big narrative made you think Damdred is town, exactly?

On April 12 2015 03:03 sicklucker wrote:


Its plasable. I think a ritoky,palmer team esp has alot of value and koshi is pushing their agenda

On April 12 2015 03:33 Damdred wrote:
Actually that's interesting I never noticed the oneg read Palmar made, I can't see much changing in Onegs play for the sudden switch. I like that observation.

Who would you rather vote Vivax? Also do you think GB to my big post is enough since you asked him for that?

On April 12 2015 03:50 ritoky wrote:


every1 keeps telling me it gna be a girl, what name should i prepare for that?

2 games since i posted it, all of them have lined up with that post 1 way or the other, it's your fault if you don't follow the guy tryin to give you a helping hand.

On April 12 2015 03:46 Damdred wrote:
So your scum team is Koshi/Palmar and ? vivax?

On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:



Based on this post alone, I'm willing to townread Damdred.

He gives a short but accurate summation of Eden's play (and the problems with it) which shows both attentiveness to the thread and a critical level of analysis about Eden's lack of overall attentiveness to actual thread happenings that people would call important.

Why does Eden soulread rsoul at that point in the game? Why didn't he comment on GB, the leading lynch and perhaps the most-talked-about player in the game. It is strange. I scumread him for the same sort of reasoning. The fact that Damdred reached a similar conclusion with similar reasoning is enough to call him town.

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Eden

To segue nicely here, let's talk about Eden and his choice of discussion topics.



I pointed out this post as horrible because it IS horrible. Not liking some sort of distracting thread-game is not alignment indicative. If one player decides to endlessly bitch about it and do nothing else, sure, but for me to simply opt out of joining in on HF's stupidity should not be anything alignment indicative to anyone. I'll talk more about this later when I get to HF but my point is THIS TYPE OF POST IS FUCKING STUPID



These are his reads, for better or worse. He doesn't really explain ANY of his townreads, and his scumreads are all "called me scum but didn't vote me". Aside from that he comments on NOTHING ELSE THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE GAME.

Who gives out thin townreads and is preoccupied with how other players perceive them? Mafia. He does this at the expense of noting the huge Palmar/GB interaction that goes on for pages. I find it difficult to believe a townie overlooks that and simply focuses on people "scumreading" him.

As for his explanation...



"skimmed gb's posts". But didn't he earlier call Palmar town? Shouldn't that clue him in on GB? and then...



>_________>

then we get the list post



Apparently he's confident enough to call Palmar town but HE DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT PALMAR WAS DOING, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION

HE STILL HASN'T LOOKED AT GB! (wtf?!)

His read on me is so non-committal it makes me want to puke.

Soooooo yeah. I don't understand how he read the thread.



Apparently he's even really attentive, but entertains the idea that he should keep people's reads secret, for whatever reason. It doesn't make any sense. HOW DID HE NOTICE THIS IN HF's POST AND NOT KNOW WHY PEOPLE WERE VOTING GB?!?!

Page 3 of his filter is him actually going back and reading the thread, and at the end of it he comes back with this:



Lol? Two of his townreads aren't actually town to him now and Vivax suddenly isn't scum?

Wtf was he doing before this point, if he's going to arrive at this conclusion now? Fucking off? Ugh.



And apparently I'm now town as well, just becuase I played ONE SCUM GAME where I didn't post basically at all?

Did you know that I've won as scum before in a game that contained rayn, marv, and Palmar all as town? My range of scum play isn't simply "doesn't play whatsoever", yet Eden is confident enough after reading a single filter of mine to give me a townread.

Overall, Eden's initial reads to the game fucking blew, and his reread of the game has him coming back with complete 180s on several people. It's nice to see that he's able to change his mind but I find it difficult to believe a lot of his reasoning. He's definitely not lynchworthy but he stuck out to me early. The more I read what I've written, the more likely I am to just call his early game play fucking lazy and write him off as town if his activity continues.

Damdred still gets points for noting his shitty early play.

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Holyflare

I'm only commenting on his posts about me/obi because they are the only things actually related to the game of mafia!

http://i.imgur.com/AJAwkQ6.png

Boils down to:

"yamato doesn't like my game so he's mafia"

lolhf

fucking play the game.

http://i.imgur.com/DJnkL7n.png

Also boils down to:

"obi doesn't like my game so he's mafia"

lolhf

fucking play the game.

(notably, he must think eden is town because he also picks out posts where we shit on Eden. lolhf)
???

alignment: who the fuck knows? having fun does not = town

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List Thingy For People Too Dumb To Read

Because there are many of you and I don't discriminate

ritoky
rsoul
Koshi
gb
eden
Palmar
damdred?
obi
HF
Onegu
Vivax
DreadReturn

##Unvote
##Vote: DreadReturn

On April 12 2015 04:34 Damdred wrote:
Ok so obviously i'm happy that my preferred lynch is leading at this point. None of my townies or confirmed towns believe in this lynch though, which is really frustrating because all of them think I am decent at finding mafia. So I really invite you again to look at the points that I brought that Palmar brought and look at games like arnie got a gun Fanfiction Mafia.

And vote GB. I'm not going to waste my vote though, i'd rather you guys move to GB.

On April 12 2015 04:41 Damdred wrote:
That case is actually pretty good, vivax making some really good points here. I'll hold you to the vote even if yamato flips mafia.

Which btw, what do you think Vivax of Yamato hard defending people off of voting GB during shenanigans time necessarily? And him pushing back equally hard off palmar?

On April 12 2015 04:46 sicklucker wrote:
Actually vivax case is bad if you believe edens town. but ill still vote

On April 12 2015 04:49 Koshi wrote:
Vivax is Eden mafia?

On April 12 2015 04:57 Koshi wrote:

No seriously. Eden is mafia right?

On April 12 2015 05:02 Koshi wrote:

Ok. Is there any chance you can do w.e it takes to read Eden his filter and decide he is mafia and lynch him first?

Problem I have is that the 3 townies that flipped really really thought you were mafia. I believe there is 1 mafia between you and yamato. I have reasons to believe it is you. I do not yet want to lynch yamato first, I want you both in the thread on D3. Fight it out then.

On April 12 2015 05:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Yamato hardpushed dr yesterday and dr was town.

Palmar

I've talked quite a bit about what I think of Palmar already, but I will say that I hope he comes back to the thread to update his reads and continue to push other things. I wouldn't like it if he continued to push GB or if he reverted to trolling. Yes, this is putting an expectation about a player's play out into the thread and preempting their return (which is bad, don't do it) but I'm confident enough in my ability to read Palmar that I'm not concerned with him knowing what I would usually expect.

On April 08 2015 11:06 yamato77 wrote:

Palmar did plenty

On April 12 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote:
Eden is on my list of possible suspects I think, but I really don't want to talk to much Eden right here because I have a suspicion hes town

On April 12 2015 05:27 Palmar wrote:
I think we should lynch GB because Damdred is busing him so hard. In fact, they're double busing each other, it's great.

On April 12 2015 05:33 Eden1892 wrote:

yamato said i was town. :/

I wrote multiple cases and shit, but people instead lynched a random smurf like the shitty cattle they are.

Holyflare is mafia. Lynch him, shoot him, burn him. Don't let him bullshit his way to day 5 or something like he always fucking does

On April 11 2015 12:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, Damdy, I decided to take a step back and try to see you coming from a town perspective. For instance I thought that if you were Mafia, your team wouldn't try to roleblock a possible jail keeper when you were in danger of being shot by the vigi.

But I fail to see you coming as town Damdred everytime I read you. I simply can't believe in any of your posts. Your night post is, again, not a "legacy" as you try to make it look like. It fits much more of a frightened Mafia perspectice who desperately seek to look townie in order to not get shot.

I fail to see what people are seeing as townie in you.

On April 12 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote:
Actually I just had a great thought. The mafia cant kill both me and the veg. so if they lose the roleblocker they are doomed as fuck.

Is there anyone you see getting defended/ not pushed for dumb reasons?

On April 12 2015 02:39 Eden1892 wrote:

as for who i want to lynch: ritoky is good. could also get behind an obi lynch, more reluctantly behind a yamato lynch. would really rather ritoky today and put those 2 on the block d3 to make them bleed town again.

would not lynch:
- either of us
- gb (i think)
- palmar
- damdred
- koshi
- vivax

i said "def not gb" earlier but i don't remember why, so that prolly means he shouldn't be on there. maybe. he also dropped off but i think i want to give him a pass for a day for coming back and briefly doing things

i feel pretty strongly about all the rest of the guys in that list tho so as long as we're lynching out of these 4 i'm cool:
- ritoky
- obi
- yamato
- gb

On April 12 2015 05:54 Eden1892 wrote:

that's a pretty good point.

rsoultin too. people keep sleeping on her but she's been getting nk'd early for having good reads a lot.

maybe i've been sleeping on vivax's scumgame :/

On April 12 2015 16:54 yamato77 wrote:

PALMAR is null?!?!?

Vivax please.

On April 12 2015 18:34 Koshi wrote:
Why does mafia kill the townies that would have protected them? Rsoultin would have never killed GB. HF? Probably not.
And why am I the only retard that thinks that mafia nkills actually mean something?

Dafuq

On April 13 2015 06:54 Palmar wrote:
Like GB's push on Obi was extremely fake and out of the blue. I think it says nothing about Obi's alignment that GB tried to kill him in that spot.

On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:

Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit.

On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:

Palmar

I've talked quite a bit about what I think of Palmar already, but I will say that I hope he comes back to the thread to update his reads and continue to push other things. I wouldn't like it if he continued to push GB or if he reverted to trolling. Yes, this is putting an expectation about a player's play out into the thread and preempting their return (which is bad, don't do it) but I'm confident enough in my ability to read Palmar that I'm not concerned with him knowing what I would usually expect.

On April 12 2015 11:12 yamato77 wrote:

This is mafia. He's taking my quotes out of context in an attempt to make me look bad. I talked about Palmar A TON in my post that he pulls that first quote from, yet he does the scummy as shit thing and quotes a post from before that has no context.

Vivax couldn't be this fucking stupid as mafia. If he's reading the post he's quoting from, he'd realize how fucking stupid it is to make a shit post like this and he wouldn't. However, mafia Vivax both gives no fucks and would maliciously misrepresent my post in an attempt to make me look worse.