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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 09:46 GMT
#1700
I am going to spend the first part of this cycle reevaluating.

I really really hope GB is mafia because then I can call holyflare superbad postgame. However if he's not then I guess we're both kinda bad.

At least I know HF is terrible. That warms my heart.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 10:01 GMT
#1702
On April 10 2015 18:58 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 18:41 Palmar wrote:
On April 10 2015 18:29 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote:
I guess I'll iterate in very short terms on each one. Almost all of these are crazy weak at the moment, but here's what I've thought:

Damdred sounds towny and aggressive. Again I liked him attacking GB at the start of the game.
Vivax just doesn't sound like mafia and he sheeped my case.
rsoultin is a pita. Mafia are rarely massive pita.
HF said something early that I liked. Also I'm wifom gambling on him doing this as town now.
yamato is just a tone read
ritoky because I am going to gamble that his trolling act is a town thing.

Eden: can't even remember a post
DR: has he posted?

Koshi voted rsoultin for being a pita to me I think. It wasn't awful but I didn't like it. Also his scumteam isn't all that great.
Onegu framed his play "I'm going to use a lot of lyrics". He's again doing that thing where he says he'll do something then delivers on it.
Obi because of the "Right" post in response to GB
GB because of all the reasons I've already posted.


These two reads make no sense.

The first one is just a gamble so it's not really a good read.

The second one is valid though. It's just not a very strong one.


In my book they're both trolling and if one is mafia just cause he announced he would troll it sounds like bs

Eh.

I've talked about this before in other games, I'll see if I can find a link.

In essence. I believe that if you frame the way you're going to play in some particular way, you're giving yourself a constructed way to post so people won't expect you to break it. This makes posting as mafia much easier because you've already decided how you're going to post so you don't have to worry as much about the style or format of your posts.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 10:09 GMT
#1703
Like I'm going to sort of read what HF had to say on the assumption he's not 100% awful and see if I agree with anything in it.

Without having actually started any evaluation process I actually feel the best shot today would be to lynch Eden or Vivax because those are the people HF and I agreed on.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 10:38 GMT
#1705
On April 10 2015 19:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 19:01 Palmar wrote:
On April 10 2015 18:58 Vivax wrote:
On April 10 2015 18:41 Palmar wrote:
On April 10 2015 18:29 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote:
I guess I'll iterate in very short terms on each one. Almost all of these are crazy weak at the moment, but here's what I've thought:

Damdred sounds towny and aggressive. Again I liked him attacking GB at the start of the game.
Vivax just doesn't sound like mafia and he sheeped my case.
rsoultin is a pita. Mafia are rarely massive pita.
HF said something early that I liked. Also I'm wifom gambling on him doing this as town now.
yamato is just a tone read
ritoky because I am going to gamble that his trolling act is a town thing.

Eden: can't even remember a post
DR: has he posted?

Koshi voted rsoultin for being a pita to me I think. It wasn't awful but I didn't like it. Also his scumteam isn't all that great.
Onegu framed his play "I'm going to use a lot of lyrics". He's again doing that thing where he says he'll do something then delivers on it.
Obi because of the "Right" post in response to GB
GB because of all the reasons I've already posted.


These two reads make no sense.

The first one is just a gamble so it's not really a good read.

The second one is valid though. It's just not a very strong one.


In my book they're both trolling and if one is mafia just cause he announced he would troll it sounds like bs

Eh.

I've talked about this before in other games, I'll see if I can find a link.

In essence. I believe that if you frame the way you're going to play in some particular way, you're giving yourself a constructed way to post so people won't expect you to break it. This makes posting as mafia much easier because you've already decided how you're going to post so you don't have to worry as much about the style or format of your posts.


I don't believe you to really believe this.


On March 19 2015 20:50 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 20:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar is this in your opinion:
On November 27 2014 19:49 Palmar wrote:
4
7
5
1
2
11
4
8
3
1
10
4
21
4
5
4
1 (18)
71
3
3

This is a list of the index of the first post by scum in the last 20 minis. I skipped games with less than 2 mafia, and the one with the brackets is holyflare's game where people just posted popcorn after the game started until he further reminded people that the game had actually started (mafia was first popcorn poster, but didn't post again until 18th).

So this guy:

On November 27 2014 10:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
1) Meh. Mafia always want to open early anyway since it becomes harder to open the longer the game goes on, so I don't see how you can draw such a definitive conclusion about someone not being here early. At the very least, this is how I would do it, so I don't put much stock into it.


Is super smart.

Another interesting tidbit is that this first post by mafia is almost always some kind of a fluffy comment. I didn't write down the posts (I should have) but it was pretty obvious that during the first... 20? posts of the game, mafia posts just to post.

So I'm literally only going to do that today. just read the first 20 posts or so and find the mafia in there.

not trolling?

No of course it isn't

I've been thinking about revisiting this method as town at some point actually. It's of course kinda scummy to frame my entire play like that, but I was mafia. But it wasn't trolling at all because I was actually trying to make it look like I wanted to solve the game.



On January 27 2015 19:43 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2015 19:33 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 27 2015 19:28 Palmar wrote:
Do you think my concern regarding GB is irrelevant Toad?

I've never done that as mafia ever. I'm not even sure if "against GB" means "against GB lynch" or "against GB (being town)" with the topic being what it is recently.

So what?

I feel like it's a mafia thing to do. Unlike all the baddies who cling to meta, I don't care if it's been done before or if he has done it before. I think it's a scummy way to frame your posting this current game.


On March 17 2015 07:10 Palmar wrote:
I don't really know Onegu that well. Generally he seems sort of too trolly to be mafia.

On the other hand, the fact that he:

1. promised read on rayn
2. delivered read on rayn

is actually really scummy, because he framed his play and then played exactly to fit that frame. Like it's not an organic read at all, it's manufactured.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 10:42 GMT
#1707
I'm mafia in the first one and town in the other two. I don't think that really matters. The end point is that even if I'm mafia this isn't the sort of thing I'd lie about. I truly and honestly believe that limiting your options in terms of posting and basing it on a constructed recipe is always sort of mafia favored. I've done it myself as mafia.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 10:42 GMT
#1709
Like I'm not gonna argue about this any more.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 10:43 GMT
#1711
Why am I mafia Vivax?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 10:59 GMT
#1718
On April 10 2015 19:58 sicklucker wrote:
Can I get some cliffs? Why did people expect there to be 3 deaths in a 13 player mini at night.... Wont be caught up for awile

The game has two vigis (one on each side).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 11:02 GMT
#1720
On April 10 2015 19:50 Vivax wrote:
Oh and I don't only need your alignments. I need to know if in your town games the guy who was posting in a constructed way was actually mafia.

1st I'm mafia just talking about the idea in general. So I'm not talking about anyone in paricular.

the other are about Onegu and GB. GB was town and Onegu was mafia.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 11:03 GMT
#1721
On April 10 2015 20:01 sicklucker wrote:
Ok but I would asume thats unlikely altho possible in an open setup (less likely it rngs both roles) altho my counterpart would disagree

By open, he means the setup is known.

the setup is EXACTLY

1jk
1vig
8 townies

1rb
1vig
1goon

Nothing else is possible.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 11:31 GMT
#1728
On April 10 2015 20:23 Vivax wrote:
So Palmar can you give me an updated read of ritoky

I think it's unchanged? I haven't particularly re-read him.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 11:33 GMT
#1729
I have no idea what you're saying SL. Neither Damdred nor I claim vigi
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 14:01 GMT
#1766
Vivax actually sounds a lot less scummy today I think.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 14:06 GMT
#1768
Why do people think Eden and GB are town btw?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 14:42 GMT
#1773
On April 10 2015 23:30 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 20:31 Palmar wrote:
On April 10 2015 20:23 Vivax wrote:
So Palmar can you give me an updated read of ritoky

I think it's unchanged? I haven't particularly re-read him.


The attitude behind this post is awful.

It reveals that Palmar's scumreads which read to me very confident and hence very townie were nothing but his tryhard scum identity. There is no looking around or reconsidering. Palmar's play can be summarized into 2 big tunnels during D1 and N1 with some random "would also lynch this dude" in between.

He is way too content to leave his weaker reads being weak reads while spending all his energy on what he claims are his scumreads and him being the most experienced player in here I can guarantee that it's not how he plays town, which is a Palmar with a much wider scope.

This is one of the reasons I think Eden is townier cause he gave himself a good reason to scumread people after calling his initial post terrible and yet after reading the GB matter he assumed another position in which his former scumreads didn't seem as suspicious.

Palmar is static. He can be convincing on the people he chooses to scumread but then he assumes a tunnel vision that reads more like "Nice now I found some shit to write a shitton about" than what he would really believe.


The attitude is not awful.

In fact, it's great and very towny. You asked me a question and I readily gave my answer.

Would you have felt better if I lied having made some sort of a breakthrough on ritoky? I didn't think ritoky was mafia yesterday, and because I had not and still have not read much more of his content, that means that my read stays the same until I think I need to review it.

Also, regarding your last sentence, don't forget the possibility I just genuinely believe what I am saying and therefore I write a lot about it. Has GB impressed you today? I still think that's a good scumread.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 14:50 GMT
#1774
On April 10 2015 23:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Vivax actually sounds a lot less scummy today I think.


You don't.

Gambling on ritoky's trolling D1 is fine if I overlook that you, in my opinion, chose to deliberately classify Onegu's trolling as scummy. Having him troll all the way into D2 isn't and I don't think that you as town would accept having him in the blind corner for this long without at least taking a better look at him, which you didn't. At the very least a town Palmar would have called for a shot on him in my opinion.

Also you call me less scummy now but my points on Koshi still stand and I didn't see anyone giving an opinion on them except yamato, who in my book is still more likely to be a town honest about his opinion than a scum, who doesn't need to have one as long as Koshi doesn't look like he's getting lynched.


I did update my read on Onegu during the night. It's mostly a tone read and I haven't really explained it, but why would I call for a shot on him?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 15:03 GMT
#1778
On April 10 2015 23:59 Vivax wrote:
And you don't think you have to review your read on ritoky, Palmar? 3 pages of filter. Most of it being pics and gif? If anyone was worth of being shot, it would have been him. And yet there he stays. Townread by the majority of people for flimsy reasons. If anything he should have been town on probation for his observation on Damdred and DR, which after DR's flip is proven to be absolutely worthless.

Of all the town apparently only I question my former reads and go reread the day with all the flips in mind, just like in Guardians?

I sort of have to do it, yes.

Oh and I do question my reads, you've seen me flip on quite a few people this game already! I agreed with yamato's case on DR but unlike the rest of you bronze league scrubs I noticed the sincerity and frustration in his tone when he returned to the thread and fought against his lynch.

How's that for questioning my former reads?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 15:03 GMT
#1779
Like I appreciate you re-evaluating things, I just hate that you have to be so fucking wrong when you do it.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 15:24 GMT
#1785
So here's something.

I think being a full on tinfoil completely unreasonable mongrel that makes absolutely no sense is actually quite a towny trait for Vivax.

He just lost a game because he blindly lynched through a shitty PoE list. He is very much trying not to end up doing the same thing again. I think this fear of repeating that is genuine. I just think he wouldn't force himself to play that hard this sway if he was mafia.

I'm sort of ignoring that he's being mostly wrong and bad in everything he's saying (although at this rate he's gonna call all the game mafia again and claim to have been right).

So I suggest we unvote vivax and find a better idea.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 10 2015 15:26 GMT
#1786
On April 11 2015 00:13 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 00:03 Palmar wrote:
On April 10 2015 23:59 Vivax wrote:
And you don't think you have to review your read on ritoky, Palmar? 3 pages of filter. Most of it being pics and gif? If anyone was worth of being shot, it would have been him. And yet there he stays. Townread by the majority of people for flimsy reasons. If anything he should have been town on probation for his observation on Damdred and DR, which after DR's flip is proven to be absolutely worthless.

Of all the town apparently only I question my former reads and go reread the day with all the flips in mind, just like in Guardians?

I sort of have to do it, yes.

Oh and I do question my reads, you've seen me flip on quite a few people this game already! I agreed with yamato's case on DR but unlike the rest of you bronze league scrubs I noticed the sincerity and frustration in his tone when he returned to the thread and fought against his lynch.

How's that for questioning my former reads?


You also chose BM over me in Guardians. The scum motivation for fighting against the easier lynch even when it's a townie is evident. It's in the expectation of townies expecting mafia to not defend townies, just like I did with Obi in another game where I was mafia. It should not be treated as anything alignment indicative. People on TL and especially veterans like you are well aware of that so using this as a defense (= I defended lynch bait) makes you look even worse.

Whether you defend townies or not is irrelevant. For you all that matters is appearing townie and anything you will dump posts into will do for that purpose, in this case your post dumpsters were GB and HF.


I chose him over you for Wifom. And it worked, because people read my filter for days thinking I was "saving" you.

I defended a townie because I don't suck. All of yall who voted him do suck.
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