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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 07:31 GMT
#701
On April 11 2015 05:54 Bourneq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 05:52 prplhz wrote:
On April 11 2015 05:41 Bourneq wrote:
If right now I would say Ace. He is very useless at the moment. He may very well be speaking the truth about having to be away for work but even if he is town he is certinatly the most useless town.

who do you think is most likely to be scum?

TBD. What about you?

jjb missed this too i don't really know why it's so missable

he's seriously saying "i want to lynch ace but he may very well have a valid excuse for everything that bothers me about him. tbd is my biggest scum read though."
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
April 11 2015 07:32 GMT
#702
Vote count:

TheBloodyDwarf (2): Soren333, Breshke, Tubesock, Ace1312
Breshke (1): Onegu
The Shining (1): plotspot
Bourneq (0): prplhz
plotspot (3): Onegu, Breshke, rsoultin, prplhz
prplhz (0): TheBloodyDwarf

Not voting (7): jarjarbinks, TheBloodyDwarf, Tubesock, The Shining, Bourneq, Stutters695, Half the Sky


Currently, plotspot is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Saturday, Apr 11 8:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). Voting is mandatory!

If there are errors, please let us know.


+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +

VOTE: prplhz voted Bourneq (post)
VOTE: plotspot voted Ace1312 (The Shining) (post)
VOTE: TheBloodyDwarf voted prplhz (post)
VOTE: Onegu voted Plotspot (plotspot) (post)
VOTE: Onegu unvoted plotspot (post)
VOTE: Soren333 voted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
VOTE: Breshke voted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
VOTE: Tubesock voted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
VOTE: Ace1312 voted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
VOTE: TheBloodyDwarf unvoted prplhz (post)
ERROR: Soren333 tried to change vote without unvote (post)
ERROR: Soren333 tried to change vote without unvote (post)
VOTE: Onegu voted Breshke (post)
VOTE: Tubesock unvoted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
ERROR: prplhz tried to change vote without unvote (post)
VOTE: Breshke unvoted TheBloodyDwarf (post)
VOTE: Breshke voted plotspot (post)
VOTE: rsoultin voted plotspot (post)
VOTE: prplhz unvoted Bourneq (post)
VOTE: prplhz voted plotspot (post)
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 07:37 GMT
#703
ace voting from beyond the game

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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 11 2015 07:41 GMT
#704
On April 11 2015 16:31 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 05:54 Bourneq wrote:
On April 11 2015 05:52 prplhz wrote:
On April 11 2015 05:41 Bourneq wrote:
If right now I would say Ace. He is very useless at the moment. He may very well be speaking the truth about having to be away for work but even if he is town he is certinatly the most useless town.

who do you think is most likely to be scum?

TBD. What about you?

jjb missed this too i don't really know why it's so missable

he's seriously saying "i want to lynch ace but he may very well have a valid excuse for everything that bothers me about him. tbd is my biggest scum read though."


youre right :/ not sure why i thought that was in response to stutters

that makes no sense

nh

lol im tired >< ill figure out what i got mixed up in the morning

hate phone posting

ciao!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 08:19 GMT
#705
anyone around? I need advice
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 08:46 GMT
#706
So, I have this fascination with trying to read difficult/cryptic players. Players like Alakaslam, Sicklucker, Chezinu, and LightningStrike. It's dumb, but I absolutely love playing with those guys. I fall into big traps though, like finding deep meaning into statements and their word useage and once I think they are scummy I really get into confirmation bias.

I'm really confused on TheBloodyDwarf. He hasn't done a single towny thing yet. He's blatantly ignoring requests for any type of read and isn't helping town at all. I mean it's so anti-town that mafia would at least try to fake something. He's not even doing that. He like doesn't care at all, he's trying to act as scummy as possible it seems.

He made some posts which made me unvote him. At that time I was thinking he was basically softclaiming Vet. I didn't want to pursue anything and I think others were thinking the same thing. It would obviously defeat the purpose of him being vet. While at work i was thinking about him a lot. It just bugged me. A vet would play towny right? The entire point is to make MAFIA shoot you. But then you also have to avoid being lynched. And he's obviously not doing that.

Then my tinfoil hat deflected an alien interrogation beam. TheBloodyDwarf is Godfather. BloodyDwarf comes from SC2 mafia arcade. So it's safe to say he plays SC2. He presumeably found TL mafia from the SC2 forums. He's not dumb, he's probably the more hardcore gamer type. TL Mafia does seem like the harder core version of many versions of mafia I think. So, he's fucking smart. He's not playing poorly at all.

If he is Godfather, he KNOWS the setup. He knows if there is a cop/doc/vigi/vet. The OP says mafia knows. Reread his filter, doesn't it look like he's trying to make people think he's vet? "Don't shoot me" "I hope cop/vigi are guud". Yeah, he wants to make it look like he doesn't really know the setup but is telling the cop to check him so he returns town. He then knows who the cop is and mafia get to kill him. And he is basically confirmed town who gets to live at least another day.

He softs vet knowing people probably won't push him since an outed vet is sooo bad for town. He then doesn't have to act towny. But in order to get cop checked he has to act really scummy so that the cop will check him over other question marks.

Holy shit this is an amazing play. My tinfoils may sound crazy and stupid but holy shit in the 3 games I've finished I nailed at least 2 scum each time. Both were the strong mafia guys (Holyflare and Geript from Carol and Joat).

What other scenario explains how TheBloodyDwarf is playing? The more I think about this the more I believe. Where are the holes in my thinking?
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 08:56 GMT
#707
There is risk in this play for sure. He could be straight up lynched. But doesn't softing vet help AND taking advantage of people's general unnease of "easy lynches" or "low-hanging fruit"? You can see it in this game with him. He got 4 votes fairly quickly and people started getting quesy. I unvoted. Breshke said something. Prplhz said "I wish people would stop voting a guy who wants to play mysteriously. It's not scummy."

It fucking worked. People are talking about other stuff and there is ZERO direction. Exactly what mafia wants.

For sweet justice

##Vote: TheBloodyDwarf
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 11 2015 09:17 GMT
#708
Can you quote the post/s where you think he is softing vet please tube.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 09:18 GMT
#709
can you quote where tbd is telling cop to check him
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 09:27 GMT
#710
i really don't think mafia godfather would risk getting lynched. just having him alive means we can't trust green checks and that's not worth the risk giving up just so he can be in LYLO.

other than that i think tbd is looking townie enough. his weird d1 and low content posting is very easily explained by that's how much people from sc2 arcade mafia plays, d1 is about saying "hi" and analysis isn't really a thing.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 09:34 GMT
#711
The cop check request:

On April 10 2015 07:51 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 07:48 Soren333 wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:17 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:06 prplhz wrote:
i might or might not be scum

any thoughts?

Everybody has little scum inside them.

What the bloody hell does this mean?

Come visit me and I'll show you


Another possible softing to cop check:

On April 10 2015 06:17 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 06:06 prplhz wrote:
i might or might not be scum

any thoughts?

Everybody has little scum inside them.


And another:

On April 10 2015 06:23 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 06:22 Half the Sky wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:17 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:06 prplhz wrote:
i might or might not be scum

any thoughts?

Everybody has little scum inside them.


Ah, then, let me ask this question, how scummy are you?

I dont want to tell you my dirty secrets


This is more interesting. And really instigated my tinfoil. And what I REALLY need feedback on due to my overthinking at times.

On April 10 2015 06:25 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I hope our cop or vigi is guud. I don't want to die :|


He leaves out doc and vet. This seems to me to be the soft claim. It's retarded I know, but I think the spelling "guud" is absolutely intentional. And:

On April 10 2015 06:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 06:46 plotspot wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:44 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:39 prplhz wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:36 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:33 prplhz wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:29 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:27 prplhz wrote:
On April 10 2015 06:25 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I hope our cop or vigi is guud. I don't want to die :|

how do cops and vigis work in sc2 arcade mafia`?

They scout for activity, if no activity they get no info.

If it spot activity it usually says who he visited.

and how exactly will that help you not dying?

well as citizen you are quite fucked up And its pretty much bad luck if you get killed. Doc can heal, Vet blocks, some roles cannot die during nights.

okay but you're talking about cop and vigi, right? you're saying "i hope cop and vigi are good because i don't want to die" and i'm asking you, how exactly can these two roles help you not to die?

They catch criminals before I die


You're afraid of dying. Ok you're confirmed town. LOL OH WAIT. You maybe MAFIA.^^

MINDGAMES MINDGAMES


Maybe overthinking, but damn..."mindgames", "guud". Like it's in the weird obvious but not obvious realm. I think he's mindfucking us. He's goddamn Godfather.

On April 10 2015 16:15 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Looks like I have to bit explain myself. After reading this I think my posts make more sense.


This is not sc2 arcade mafia.

I thought day 1 is just day for chat. Nothing happens before somebody brings evidency to table. Also I didnt know its insta lynch who gets most votes. So pretty much my day1 posts mean nothing. I felt like everybody is chatting (felt for me) and then suddenly Soren333 starts replying to those chatty posts. I thought it looked really funny and he even asked questions that I answered later but before he asked again.

Also I didnt know that scum means mafia. I realized scum means mafia way way later. "Everybody has little scum inside them" Isn't that just like some IRC chat? like talking to friends? Nobody trying to be serious kind of answer.

Why I voted somebody? Looks like you have to vote everyday or you get kicked out of the game. (again this is not sc2 mafia..). I just voted fearing maybe I forget or don't have time to vote and admins kick me out.


Why fear of death some ask? Well, I want to play this game and not to die? "I hope our cop or vigi is good". Again, I was expecting cop to give some "evidence" to table and then people discuss is that person trustful and can his claims even be possible.

But that's all wrong. Looks like you make your presumption based on chat. With feels quite weird to me now but I am noob playing this mafia for the first time and some here are experts. So I have to see how this works out.

So I think I have time to rethink who to vote so,
##UNVOTE


Like he really really wants that cop check to bring his "evidence" to the table. Like holy shit. Plus, he has done absolutely ZERO scumhunting. He's overtly and covertly trying to get the cop check. That's his entire goal so far.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 09:37 GMT
#712
On April 11 2015 18:27 prplhz wrote:
i really don't think mafia godfather would risk getting lynched. just having him alive means we can't trust green checks and that's not worth the risk giving up just so he can be in LYLO.

other than that i think tbd is looking townie enough. his weird d1 and low content posting is very easily explained by that's how much people from sc2 arcade mafia plays, d1 is about saying "hi" and analysis isn't really a thing.


I need this. Like it seems like such a baller play to me. It's risky as fuck right? But I can't seem to think it is actually that risky. The more I'm thinking about it, the more I'm convincing myself. Bad I know! Ugh.

What's he doing that is townie? Or you saying he's just not scummy because he's playing like arcade?
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 09:45 GMT
#713
okay, being weird and aloof gets you lynched. that's bad for mafia (to get lynched).

what does he gain from getting checked? pretty much nothing.

i agree he's done very little analysis but that's really the norm for sc2 arcade mafia players. they don't bust out mad analysis on d1 of their first game. so i'm reading him on other things such as how he defended himself. it was more of a "fuck off" than actually trying not to get lynched. i think his behavior today has been entirely consistent with what i'm expecting from sc2 arcade players.

anyway, explain to me, what does he gain from getting checked?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 09:46 GMT
#714
He's really pushing this noob thing and how arcade is so different.

In my first newbie game we had a mafia guy be so afraid of posting he had to get replaced. There are other people in many games that are either too afraid of posting, can't post or don't want to post that I think this is a viable alternative to trying to blend in and be town.

pretend you're scared first time mafia. You ahve a choice.

1. Blend in, be town and post lots.
2. Overtly act scummy, so scummy that it's too scummy to be scummy and hopefully you get the cop check and become confirmed town.

It requires work, but at least he would live a couple more days and can be useful if not for a little while. Longer than paralyzed in fear anyway.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 09:47 GMT
#715
a green check is useless until godfather has flipped.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 09:50 GMT
#716
On April 11 2015 18:45 prplhz wrote:
okay, being weird and aloof gets you lynched. that's bad for mafia (to get lynched).

what does he gain from getting checked? pretty much nothing.

i agree he's done very little analysis but that's really the norm for sc2 arcade mafia players. they don't bust out mad analysis on d1 of their first game. so i'm reading him on other things such as how he defended himself. it was more of a "fuck off" than actually trying not to get lynched. i think his behavior today has been entirely consistent with what i'm expecting from sc2 arcade players.

anyway, explain to me, what does he gain from getting checked?


I think at the very least another day of life while town talks about it. He can get support from some of his mafiamates and survive longer. Once he is checked he at least outs the cop and mafia doesn't have to worry about the other 2 teammates being checked.

His goal is to be first checked. Then hopefully if he's on the chopping block then the cop says "oh hey, I have a green check" on him and then we argue and argue. Even if we still lynch him disregarding the check, now mafia kills the cop and don't have to worry about getting red checked. That's hugely beneficial to them. Right?
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 09:53 GMT
#717
this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this.

anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 09:56 GMT
#718
On April 11 2015 18:53 prplhz wrote:
this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this.

anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK.


I've never played arcade mafia. Why wouldn't they ever do it?

It would be pretty stupid to out himself to save a green check from lynch. Hmm.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 11 2015 09:57 GMT
#719
Also tube you have to think that if he actually is godfather then your stuff about claiming vet isnt the smartest play really because the real doc/vet would absolutly CC and then who gives a fuck if he has been green checked because he still gets lynched eventually and idk how good a 1 for 1 trade is for mafia in this setup.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 11 2015 09:59 GMT
#720
On April 11 2015 18:53 prplhz wrote:
this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this.

anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK.


same even if he has a redcheack and there is more than one misslynch left imo
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