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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 10:01 GMT
#721
because most of what i've seen from sc2 arcade mafia players hasn't been very advanced and i consider acting scummy enough to get checked but not scummy enough to get lynched but then the day after be scummy enough to almost get lynched but still townie enough that cop would out himself to be very advanced. it seems a lot simpler for godfather to just try to be townie. in any case godfather in one of the cop setups seems to draw his worth from invalidating green checks and not from being green checked himself.
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Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 10:04 GMT
#722
On April 11 2015 18:57 Breshke wrote:
Also tube you have to think that if he actually is godfather then your stuff about claiming vet isnt the smartest play really because the real doc/vet would absolutly CC and then who gives a fuck if he has been green checked because he still gets lynched eventually and idk how good a 1 for 1 trade is for mafia in this setup.


I guess that's why I think he's only softing. He's not really claiming, but he's flirting around about it. The way it is now the real doc/vet could out themselves (don't for the love of god) and he would just fall back on the fact he never did.

I really think he's trying to fish for that cop check. I also kind of wonder that if he did hardclaim, he gets CC'd and everyone argues enough that he tries to get checked first? Mafia would have both blues for his death. that's a pretty good trade.

I've never rolled blue. I haven't spent much time thinking about it. It's why I'm asking for feedback now. I just can't see any other explanation for his play.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 10:04 GMT
#723
On April 11 2015 18:59 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 18:53 prplhz wrote:
this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this.

anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK.


same even if he has a redcheack and there is more than one misslynch left imo

dunno depends on the situation really. like, does cop think he's getting night killed? is the redcheck already getting lynched?

anyway, a potential cop should think about these things.
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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 11 2015 10:09 GMT
#724
On April 11 2015 19:04 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 18:57 Breshke wrote:
Also tube you have to think that if he actually is godfather then your stuff about claiming vet isnt the smartest play really because the real doc/vet would absolutly CC and then who gives a fuck if he has been green checked because he still gets lynched eventually and idk how good a 1 for 1 trade is for mafia in this setup.


I guess that's why I think he's only softing. He's not really claiming, but he's flirting around about it. The way it is now the real doc/vet could out themselves (don't for the love of god) and he would just fall back on the fact he never did.

I really think he's trying to fish for that cop check. I also kind of wonder that if he did hardclaim, he gets CC'd and everyone argues enough that he tries to get checked first? Mafia would have both blues for his death. that's a pretty good trade.

I've never rolled blue. I haven't spent much time thinking about it. It's why I'm asking for feedback now. I just can't see any other explanation for his play.


Idk like obviously this is all possible but it just feels very very unlikely. I feel like if he was advanced enough to do this he would be advanced enough to also give reads and such and i know you said you think he is faking right? but i just feel it is really really out there.

Can you tell me what you think of plot and anyone else that has jumped out at you
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 10:09 GMT
#725
On April 11 2015 19:01 prplhz wrote:
because most of what i've seen from sc2 arcade mafia players hasn't been very advanced and i consider acting scummy enough to get checked but not scummy enough to get lynched but then the day after be scummy enough to almost get lynched but still townie enough that cop would out himself to be very advanced. it seems a lot simpler for godfather to just try to be townie. in any case godfather in one of the cop setups seems to draw his worth from invalidating green checks and not from being green checked himself.


Put that way, it does sound insane. I was thinking be scummy as possible with the idea that people will defend you for being too scummy to be scum. And not even go for a goldilocks level of scummy.

I didn't think about the value of godfather negating green checks.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 10:13 GMT
#726
vote plotspot with us tube
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 11 2015 10:13 GMT
#727
Also tube about explanation for his play you have to realize people come in here with very different levels of experience. Especially in your first game i feel people can improve massively after their first game but theres still that first game where you dont really know what to do or how to do it.

Thats why TBD play makes sense because you can see how it is influenced by his SC2 experience.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 11 2015 10:14 GMT
#728
prp if you could decide your lynch all by yourself would it be bourne still?
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 10:16 GMT
#729
i'm not sure right now, the plotspot lynch is growing on me.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 10:17 GMT
#730
On April 11 2015 19:09 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 19:04 Tubesock wrote:
On April 11 2015 18:57 Breshke wrote:
Also tube you have to think that if he actually is godfather then your stuff about claiming vet isnt the smartest play really because the real doc/vet would absolutly CC and then who gives a fuck if he has been green checked because he still gets lynched eventually and idk how good a 1 for 1 trade is for mafia in this setup.


I guess that's why I think he's only softing. He's not really claiming, but he's flirting around about it. The way it is now the real doc/vet could out themselves (don't for the love of god) and he would just fall back on the fact he never did.

I really think he's trying to fish for that cop check. I also kind of wonder that if he did hardclaim, he gets CC'd and everyone argues enough that he tries to get checked first? Mafia would have both blues for his death. that's a pretty good trade.

I've never rolled blue. I haven't spent much time thinking about it. It's why I'm asking for feedback now. I just can't see any other explanation for his play.


Idk like obviously this is all possible but it just feels very very unlikely. I feel like if he was advanced enough to do this he would be advanced enough to also give reads and such and i know you said you think he is faking right? but i just feel it is really really out there.

Can you tell me what you think of plot and anyone else that has jumped out at you


I have to admit I've been pretty obsessed with Dwarf today.

I've read Plot's filter, and I don't think he looks that great. My problem with him though is that there are at least three posts where I feel I need a rosetta stone. I have no idea what he's saying. The stuff I did understand, I don't remember having any eureka moment, or a sharing a brain type moment either. So far he hasn't been useful to me at all. That's not towny.

I haven't invested any energy in him though. Sorry this isn't very helpful for you.


Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 11 2015 10:17 GMT
#731
On April 11 2015 19:16 prplhz wrote:
i'm not sure right now, the plotspot lynch is growing on me.


why
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 10:18 GMT
#732
because i don't think he's showing that townie paranoia.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 10:19 GMT
#733
alright. I'll read Plot. Give me a few minutes. At least it's a short filter.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 10:19 GMT
#734
like his 100% read on me

and then

On April 10 2015 07:53 plotspot wrote:
Really now, you must be psychic to infer some sort of alignment from such a post. ROFL. You might as well be mafia seeing an opportunity to jump on him. haha


On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote:
I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things.


looks like feelers so he can change his vote from the alphabetical thing. why isn't he just changing his vote away from the alphabetical vote? it doesn't mean shit so if he thinks someone is mafia then why not vote him instead of prodding the thread like this?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 10:35 GMT
#735
On April 11 2015 09:10 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 08:57 Half the Sky wrote:
I also don't like how plot said that TBD was a victim. When two posts prior, he says this.

On April 10 2015 09:34 plotspot wrote:
Why joke vote? It will stand as long as nothing else happens. It's not like Ace1312 feels totally threatened. At this time Bourneq will burn. Or even BloodyDwarf who a few people have on their list for certain acceptable reasons.


It's a bit contradictory in logic.


I think the word "acceptable" is the bad boy here right? I should have written "acceptable for them, in their kind of logic, to which I can agree to a certain degree, but not nailingly sure for me". I think Dwarf is a victim because, he has to justify himself and looks helpless, but that's also because he hasn't post alot right?


On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 15:09 jarjarbinks wrote:
On April 10 2015 08:41 plotspot wrote:
prplhz is 100% town. I can smell it.^^


Plot, can you explain why you think this? I'm assuming you didn't actually 100% believe it, but you just think he's town.

Also, what do you think of dwarf and onegu so far?


+ Show Spoiler +
whoa a post from the past.^^ How should I answer this. There is a world of mind. A world of speech and a world of action. I certainly said prplhz is town, I think his early initiative and throrough way of examination befits that of a townsperson caring for the town.

about Dwarf I don't know, looks like a victim so far. Onegu? 70% town. I think the host screwed up. Everybody is town^^. Or he is lazy giving out the roles according to the order on the front page.^^ This should be easy. Man don't read anything from this, I just enjoy the game ok?^^ I mean I observe, this game it really helps to know the posting style or habit or a person. I really cringe at some conclusion about me, you are all paranoid.^^

Ok, I don't have the super reading powers. I just know that Half the Sky and Soren thinks 100% that I'm town. Make of it what you can.

On April 10 2015 23:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 21:00 plotspot wrote:
Guys I'm at work, tonight when I have time I will try to detail out whats needed. Still concerning Onegu, before it crosses to real life, I said he was PLAYING LIKE a fucktard (for the couple of first posts that I saw at that moment), not that he is one. And he knows it. Judging by his tone he isn't offended.


How is perceived poor play alignment indicative? IIRC you were scumreading or calling out scum behaviour based on him "playing like a fucktard?" Especially in a newbie game - yes I know Onegu is not a noob but the point still stands - how are you distinguishing between poor play and scum play?


Wait. I didn't call him scum. I think you are awfully suspicious for talking like you know I'm 100% town. That's my original quote

On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote:
I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things.


I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote?


These reek of covering his ass as mafia. It's pretty waffly. I think it's different than how Breshke waffled on Dwarf though. I feel like Breshke didn't actually care what people though of his waffle. Yet, this is very much defensive.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 10:39 GMT
#736
On April 11 2015 19:19 prplhz wrote:
like his 100% read on me

and then

Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 07:53 plotspot wrote:
Really now, you must be psychic to infer some sort of alignment from such a post. ROFL. You might as well be mafia seeing an opportunity to jump on him. haha


Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote:
I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things.


looks like feelers so he can change his vote from the alphabetical thing. why isn't he just changing his vote away from the alphabetical vote? it doesn't mean shit so if he thinks someone is mafia then why not vote him instead of prodding the thread like this?


His 100% read on you was kinda hilarious I think. Just in the timing of it. I thought he was trolling at first. I did like how he didn't sheep you when you pushed him to (which that post I also thought was hilarious because I think the vet stuff was more to me than him). I gave him some town points for not sheeping about Bourneq. More points probably too since I didn't agree on your Bourneq read.

That's probably the only town posts he has isn't it? Everything else is weird or fluff.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
April 11 2015 10:45 GMT
#737
It's almost 3am. I need to go to bed. I want to sleep on the Plotspot vote. I'll probably follow you guys.

I don't know if I can just let go of Dwarf. Anyway, g'night.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 10:48 GMT
#738
goodnight!
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 11 2015 11:00 GMT
#739
On April 11 2015 17:46 Tubesock wrote:
So, I have this fascination with trying to read difficult/cryptic players. Players like Alakaslam, Sicklucker, Chezinu, and LightningStrike. It's dumb, but I absolutely love playing with those guys. I fall into big traps though, like finding deep meaning into statements and their word useage and once I think they are scummy I really get into confirmation bias.

I'm really confused on TheBloodyDwarf. He hasn't done a single towny thing yet. He's blatantly ignoring requests for any type of read and isn't helping town at all. I mean it's so anti-town that mafia would at least try to fake something. He's not even doing that. He like doesn't care at all, he's trying to act as scummy as possible it seems.

He made some posts which made me unvote him. At that time I was thinking he was basically softclaiming Vet. I didn't want to pursue anything and I think others were thinking the same thing. It would obviously defeat the purpose of him being vet. While at work i was thinking about him a lot. It just bugged me. A vet would play towny right? The entire point is to make MAFIA shoot you. But then you also have to avoid being lynched. And he's obviously not doing that.

Then my tinfoil hat deflected an alien interrogation beam. TheBloodyDwarf is Godfather. BloodyDwarf comes from SC2 mafia arcade. So it's safe to say he plays SC2. He presumeably found TL mafia from the SC2 forums. He's not dumb, he's probably the more hardcore gamer type. TL Mafia does seem like the harder core version of many versions of mafia I think. So, he's fucking smart. He's not playing poorly at all.

If he is Godfather, he KNOWS the setup. He knows if there is a cop/doc/vigi/vet. The OP says mafia knows. Reread his filter, doesn't it look like he's trying to make people think he's vet? "Don't shoot me" "I hope cop/vigi are guud". Yeah, he wants to make it look like he doesn't really know the setup but is telling the cop to check him so he returns town. He then knows who the cop is and mafia get to kill him. And he is basically confirmed town who gets to live at least another day.

He softs vet knowing people probably won't push him since an outed vet is sooo bad for town. He then doesn't have to act towny. But in order to get cop checked he has to act really scummy so that the cop will check him over other question marks.

Holy shit this is an amazing play. My tinfoils may sound crazy and stupid but holy shit in the 3 games I've finished I nailed at least 2 scum each time. Both were the strong mafia guys (Holyflare and Geript from Carol and Joat).

What other scenario explains how TheBloodyDwarf is playing? The more I think about this the more I believe. Where are the holes in my thinking?

*clap clap clap clap*

I would post clapping gif but I have been banned too many times for gifs

So I am either total noob or really mindgaming you really hard.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 11 2015 11:02 GMT
#740
you can post gifs on tlmafia
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