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20 % chance of - killing a player - masoning a player - framing and roleblocking yourself (return mafia as town and town as mafia no matter what other actions were taken) - getting an extra hidden vote during the next day - a random backdraws for mafia and backdraws for town. Just a quick suggestion that makes the orb more attractive for both alignments. so as town you have the chance of 2 benefits, as mafia of 2 benefits | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:52 Blazinghand wrote: could just get rid of the self-kp option and it's like a joat item that wanders Yea but given the probabilities then it's just town-favoured. I think that it needs some more benefits for mafia as they are more unlikely to get it. | ||
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On March 11 2015 03:01 Blazinghand wrote: meh, if we have it replace a blue role in our balance (or probably replace 1.5 blue roles since scum can't just shoot this dead) it acts a lot like a JOAT. Simple and doesn't require that much tweaking But it's a JOAT that can confirm people town who get it and have a lucky roll, any town is going to use this on their scumreads, and mafia won't share the results unless they roll track and happen to hit somebody who visits one of their NKs. Not really happy with a wandering town confirmation machine (if you rolecheck on a mafia it's just like a cop check? All roles are named so) | ||
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Anyway superbia is probs mafia. + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2015 10:12 Superbia wrote: Why the fuck did you feel the need to justify your question to this degree? On March 19 2015 10:12 Eden1892 wrote: ugh im cringing from how fraudulent this sounds i hate that i can't find the words for why i do. rso what do you think about this | ||
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On March 19 2015 19:53 Bill Murray wrote: just something i use for RVS reads and voting mechanical reads i learned from mafia scum. jeep was a player with an unfinished guide on tells which has to do with wording, bandwagonning, etc also doc tells And how does that apply to Eden in terms of this dude's unfinished guide? | ||
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Similarly to Toad going "Palmar 100 % mafia" at the beginning of the game. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 19 2015 10:11 Superbia wrote: Now what? Why are you just sitting on this? This feels like you felt like you had to do something with the pretty empty poke you just posted. On March 19 2015 10:12 Superbia wrote: Why the fuck did you feel the need to justify your question to this degree? On March 19 2015 10:17 Superbia wrote: SL that was so bad. On March 19 2015 10:54 Superbia wrote: Why are you defending trfel? What are you with my TWO(!) 30m passes? (actually he means defending Eden after the miller fakeclaim). In between some game unrelated stuff that suggests he acts more serious than he is. I just hope it's not his personality. On March 19 2015 11:41 Superbia wrote: Why are people actually voting Eden? Odd question after he asked Trfel why he's defending him. Asking that question implies he has a differing opinion about Eden's alignment, in the question to Trfel his post suggests that the miller claim is worthy of suspicion, but in the later post the impression is the opposite. It's like he has no clue why people would vote for Eden. | ||
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On March 19 2015 20:51 Palmar wrote: You know I put a lot of stock into very early game reads, you've seen me make those multiple times. Don't tell me you put a lot of stock into the Toad read just based on his wording please. The reaction was hyper but that wasn't really an argument, which is why the reaction is hyper. | ||
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On March 19 2015 21:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's where I'm at atm. Don't understand your Superbia townread, comparing his play with imperial I would say he's a bit more active and less case-y, but he even told you he's capable of more as scum. Given my arguments and the fact you previously found him suspicious IIRC it seems to me like you don't want to step away from that decision, plus now he's back to null for you? | ||
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On March 19 2015 21:59 Palmar wrote: I could be scum busing toad if he flips scum and I could be town and just wrong if he flips town. The first scenario is very unlikely from where I'm at. | ||
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On March 19 2015 21:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually I had him slightly leaning town on my gdoc, just forgot to add him into the list. What I think makes him townie is how he goes after absolutely everything, but backs off when he feels like there's plausible reasons behind it like he did when he pressed me on my tone read of him. It's a weak townread though as mafia could employ a similar strategy. I just feel like the timing that he backed off on me was townish. And I feel the way he went after you was mafiaish. His prods lead to nowhere and there's the contrast between his prods being so serious, then again he goes back to jokey stuff. Overall his play suggests he looks for potentially suspicious stuff to comment on but doesn't draw any consequences from it. | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:17 Damdred wrote: Well I'm caught up. Not sure what's wrong with my trfel read to you rayn it should be pretty apparent that trfel wasn't doing anything which is bad scummy for him and then started to make good posts that showed he was thinking about the game, wouldn't lynch at this point. Art I should be higher on yours and hfs lists! Do something about this chop chop. Cooking will be here to answer most questions I read ExO and doesn't seem like scum to me. Didn't read SL. Opinions on super and Toad requested. Got rayn on ice for now, ie no read. | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:38 Superbia wrote: Yo. Real quick, damdred is probable scum. I haven't really evaluated Vivax's alignment yet, though the whole thing looks pretty meh? I was never angry? I was having fun playing the game. Like Vivax, you even hinted to my scum game, why aren't you drawing any parallels? So, Damdred. Our reads have lined up pretty well, as can be told from my filter. We both had HF and Palmar as town early on. And Damdred had SL and trfel as scum. I was burying SL pretty hard yesterday (admittedly, maybe a bit too hard, but let's see what he brings today) and I was pushing on trfel, who you had as scum and according to your filter, were very unsure of. How is me pushing on trfel a scummy thing when you were leaning scum on him around the same time? Why isn't the thought process "well, I was scum-leaning on trfel as well, so I guess I can see where he's coming from"? Instead it is "trfel is town. Super pushed on him in a "dickish" way. He must be mafia". What? This doesn't line up at all with what is supposed to be your thought process. Why do we have similar reads if I'm mafia? Why am I burying SL so hard if, according to your world, we're mafia together? Btw. I was never angry. That is such fabricated nonsense. Saying you're angry didn't come from me. However your approach to questioning people does seem overly intonated, so to say, without a followup that reflects the same mood. Briefly summarized, which looks like you try to make your posts sound more meaningful than your followup suggests it is to you. Here's an example: On March 19 2015 10:19 Superbia wrote: Also I kind of rescind on the trfel thing. I actually did not read the context fully, and was not aware he was answering the whole "why are you specifying it to 4 or 5" thing. Was reading it out of context. On March 19 2015 10:54 Superbia wrote: Why are you defending trfel? What are you with my TWO(!) 30m passes? After yours and Eden's post on Trfel HF and Artanis disagreed with the two of you. You rescinded, yet your focus seems to be almost entirely on Trfel for the scumclaim, as you call him out for defending Eden post-miller-fakeclaim. It's like you decided that the scumclaim made him look bad and then decided to keep going after him for other reasons. All the while you seem to not want to give Eden a read (unless I missed something?) even though you both mindmelded on Trfel, he fakeclaimed miller and later you asked why people are voting for him, so clearly you're thinking something about Eden you didn't tell to the thread yet. So, what would your read on Eden be? | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town: I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other? Oh god this post is so mafia | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays. And he's not straight to the point and logorrhoic as town as well? There's so many parts in that post that make me wonder "why would you post this as town". | ||
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Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. I mean, how does this fit into the post context? Is this a scumread on rsoulting, what does this have to do with Toad's question? LS just reads like a super nervous poster. | ||
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Did you at any point in time think that Eden was mafia who made a blooper when fakeclaiming? | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:14 Holyflare wrote: so what we've pretty much established is that my list post is awesome and you should all sheep me onto rayn ty We are the 0,000000001 percent | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:21 Superbia wrote: I disagree. I think it was interesting, but I could see the fake-claim coming from either alignment. I thought trfel's hard defense was much more interesting. I was wondering why he was willing to defend eden like that. In retrospect I actually completely forgot about it. Looking at his filter now it seems like he seemed unsure about eden prior to FF bringing up the fake claim. Which makes the hard defend more strange. Trfel, any input on this? Also I hesistated on Eden for a slight moment when FF came out with the info, as I said before. As it stands, I think my town read on Eden still holds somewhat solid. Then why call Trfel out and call his post a defense when he simply shared your own opinion? Gotcha  | ||
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Trfel argued in a way that would fit your own narrative (Eden town + fakeclaim not alignment indicative), so being suspicious of him for saying Eden's post was a joke doesn't make sense. Your only way of justifying that question to Trfel was saying that the fakeclaim made you doubt him, and here I smell a lie to make that question to Trfel look like it made sense at that moment, when it really didn't, unless you already decided to go after Trfel for other reasons, but then you wouldn't feel like calling out things like these to try and nail him in something that looks scummy. | ||
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On March 19 2015 23:31 Holyflare wrote: wait wait so explain this to me sup town reads eden and bla bla ff points out miller thing and trfel defends it superbia says that trfel is weird says it's not so weird because he hesitated on same point is that right? To give you a brief summary, I think that the way Super calls out people is mafiaish, and in this particular case I think he called out Trfel for a fake reason. Cause he suggested that Trfel had mafia intentions in not scumreading Supers townread when they clearly had the same conclusions about Eden. To make the story fit better now Super claims that the fakeclaim did give him pause about his Eden TR, but that is nowhere in his filter to see, so I claim he's lying. | ||
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Unless he's mafia, then he's doing a good job at painting a target on his back. | ||
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Some good soul explain to super why he's scum in the meantime. | ||
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The most notable thing was super arguing with Eden, I found that quite townish. His questioning of Trfel doesn't quite sit right with me but he has proven to be headstrong about his own position versus Eden and for that I will not push for his lynch today What I don't understand is why HF put rayn from 100 % scum to meh in place of SL. Or why BM is content with one post completely unrelated to the game as an excuse for not posting, looks scummish. Going to take another look at LS and FF. | ||
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On March 20 2015 20:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On pg. 94 now, I like Eden's pressure on Superbia, his Damdred/SL post does seem inconsistent. The biggest problem I have is that I think scum Superbia might not bother staying up that late to defend himself. I can't get the image of imperial out of my mind where he just didn't give a single shit. Still goes in scummy pile. Piles don't matter, they are just self representation and not practical. What matters is if you would lynch him today or not. I wouldn't. | ||
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On March 20 2015 20:34 Onegu wrote: But I'm not VT and cba to care right now. Why lynch me? Why don't you care? What are you and your mason partner doing, provided your claim is real? | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town: I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other? Does nobody besides FF and me want to lynch LS for this post? | ||
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On March 20 2015 21:52 VisceraEyes wrote: I want to lynch FF for other posts. Does that count? The thing that sticks out with FF is that he seems to have a direction in his posting which is unusual. Suppose that's what you mean when you say he's not spastically posting? Anyway that kinda dodged the question so it doesn't count. I see a nervous post from LS that summarizes some shit, is inconclusive, and doesn't just answer Toad's question, plus it ends with questions that don't seem genuinely interested since they lead to nowhere, given his next post is a gigantic list without scumreads. | ||
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On March 20 2015 22:02 Damdred wrote: You guys don't know how to read LS, if hes scum here it not because of those posts. I'm here for the next hour roughly going to start filter diving and doing some things if anyone has any questions ask me before I get to it. Tell me more, if he's mafia it's because of which posts? | ||
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After reading the case from Damdred, even though it's very wordy, you can exactly draw two observations: 1. I'm less active than my townie self, 2. I picked on LS cause he was easy to pick on (?). Argument 1 is the sort of bs argument vets get confronted with when they posted more in earlier games. It's the very same argument that made Koshi modkill himself in his second last game. So it doesn't apply. Argument 2 is interesting as I just asked Damdred what he thinks would make LS mafia and he replied with something that could make LS mafia in his opinion. He completely dismisses my argument, brought ahead his own but he doesn't think there is a good reason to be suspicious of LS if he thinks I am scum and by consequence LS town? That doesn't quite fit. | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:13 rsoultin wrote: Actually, lovely, his best point was your peripheral play and scumread dropping xP which i notice you don't address I said I won't lynch super today for reasons I have already given, it's not a forgive and forget. Peripheral play is an invention which doesn't fit in the slightest. I don't post dumb videos and talk about offtopic unlike some other people here, yes I'm talking about you, I get straight to the point and talk facts, and me making quality posts after the thread gained more volume instead of shitposting is neither peripheral play nor a mafia trait. | ||
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Cause so far I'm treating HF as confirmed town cause of the mason claim and he thinks you're scum. The moment some individuals start voting me you come and take sides with me pretty hard so right now I'm trying to evaluate if those are your honest reads or if you're trying to buddy me. | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:30 sicklucker wrote: wait hf claimed mason too? I thought that was a joke Well he said "me and Onegu just chilling" and nobody seems interested into HF as possible scum so I'll just assume he and Onegu are the masons? Can you explain the LS inno child read? | ||
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Or do my arguments for reading LS post look particularly "faked?", cause I explain them and they seem logical to me. That post was terrible when it was supposed to be a simple answer to Toad. | ||
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exO_ (non-presence, though there's a possibility he'll pick up...maybe) Onegu is a non-presence as well and he's town. ExO was a non presence in a game I won at LYLO when I had to choose between him being the low activity poster he is and a mafia who was way more posty but dropped off towards the end cause he was hiking with his gf somewhere in the Canadian pampa. | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:45 Eden1892 wrote: so your top scumread makes one long post about Vivax that doesn't actually conclude anything spectacular and you're now ok with calling him confirmed town and sheeping it? that's something I do but it's not something YOU do and you discarded a Vivax scumread earlier because your #2 scumread said he was town??? which you're now backpedaling on because your #1 scumread said he was scum????? explain before I lynch with fire You're pretty much mirroring my thoughts. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:08 sicklucker wrote: Vivax vote dandred or I vote you and go to bed. Artanis is a bad lynch ive already given reasons why im not voting him If you think I feel threatened by this think again. I'm voting for my stronger scumreads not for the guy who makes a case on me? How the hell do you think this game is supposed to be played? Always vote the guy who makes a case on you? Go to bed please. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: In the last game I hosted town Koshi modkilled himself for very silly reasons. He posted less in the start, but I believe he mentioned pregame he was going to try to post less. Town Koshi felt offended by the same argument you and Dam follow which is purely activity based, so he modkilled himself cause everyone was on his ass cause "omg you post less than usual". And that you're not aware of this when he was in the very same game you hosted is alarming, not to mention you townread a suspect for posting one wordy case? Your argument is "People always post less as mafia than as town", and what's your sample? The last two games you hosted? Lol | ||
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And SL why should I vote Damdred like you suggested, for the third time? | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: We're talking about JOAT here I thought, where Koshi modkilled himself not because of activity but because of a perceived imbalance in the game from a position of incomplete information which he got super mad about for no reason. After we were both dead I talked with Koshi about it and while it's true that a lot of his rge came from the perceived imbalance it's also true that people falsely scumread him for not being post-y enough. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:41 sicklucker wrote: I already said hes the only one I really wanna vote over you... Still waiting for you to tell me why LS is innocent child. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:43 sicklucker wrote: Read my list post I read it and there's no reasoning for LS being town, on the contrary you are ignoring your other previous scumreads to sheep your own scumread or lynch him. It's an odd dichotomy. | ||
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Don't even bother reading his filter to find out if he's scum, but for sanity preservation I will lynch him if possible. Might read him later and see if he's scum or just dumb, can#t guarantee it. | ||
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Smells like scum counterwagon. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:56 sicklucker wrote: Thats word for word what I have said before trying to not get lynched Who you talking to. | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:58 sicklucker wrote: Also the chances of mafia being the 3 leading candidates from a vivax town pov is very very slim.. That would basically mean most of town is right and the game is over and all mafia are on you It's not a slim chance, it only means mafia is playing awfully. Like sheeping their top scumread, which is my primary concern in your regard. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:03 sicklucker wrote: I want you to give some original ideas besides Ls How is that of relevance? You're sheeping other arguments, not the amount of my ideas. My ideas on super were original and my ideas on LS were original, I don't feel compelled to post more other than the things I find worth of commenting on. | ||
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Faaaaar down. Like, you're clinging to the first thing your own scumread presented to you when it looked like you were a candidate for the chopping block. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:06 sicklucker wrote: I do like your crazy paranoia thinking its possible me/ls/artanis could all be mafia (altho the odds are like 1/100) Theres acually quite a few people id vote over you but unfortunately no ones interested which is why I was trying to get votes on them... This is bullshit, I considered Toad and super as possible scum which you did as well, yet when you wonder who to vote it's either just me or Damdred. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:08 rsoultin wrote: -_- i will lynch you over lightningstrike vivax, in a new york minute do you have a good reason rayn isn't scum? that goes for everyone You can't, unless you grow a penis and call yourself marvellosity. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:08 sicklucker wrote: The main reason and probaly 90% of the reason I want to vote you is because you said it yourself you start off day1 hard and you didnt! Vs Ls/art/ryan who I had all as town in my list post (look it up) Thats kind of enough unfortunately but im not sure its a great vote so thats why im still awake fu for that. I think rayns falling off for example Start of Day 1 I was posting about my food cause that's how interesting the game was at that point. And it's also not true I always start hard off D1 as town. I also start off hard D1 as mafia and then go lurk when people TR me for it. As town my committment will be as high as the willingness of people to interact. And now that you all want my head you get all the committment you want. Up until this point a lot of the game was, like somebody rightfully observed, smaller lots of smaller conversations between definite people, as to be expected of small games. | ||
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- rsoultin - sicklucker anyone else? | ||
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I think my reads are pretty clear already. Super (scummysh but won't lynch today) and LS from posts. SL cause Omgus and cause he sheeps a guy he shouldn't sheep plus his other reads don't seem to matter, Artanis cause he struggles in sustaining his belief that I'm scum and cause of the stuff me and Eden mentioned, also cause he doesn't really seem to have fun. Trfel/Palmar/Toad/Breshke/Alakaslam I'm keeping as nulls, among these I'd look at toad and Trfel first, I coached town Trfel and he's very capable, so I'm waiting to see that. I was wondering whether Eden was scum cause of the super matter but he has mirrored my thoughts on Artanis when he sheeped that Damdred case. Rsoultin in the rage meter pile. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:31 Holyflare wrote: damdred kinda made his case and made like 2 posts to rayn and then afk'd while people argued about it don't really like that at all Yup, made the same observation. Then again I know he might be busy irl so I'm going easy on him. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:35 sicklucker wrote: Thats a terrible reason because literally anyone can be busy irl but we still have to play around it. Anyway I might take off seems to be going in circles everyone is a asking for there lynch No it's not a terrible reason cause I'm not a dick to nice people. Even when they're wrong or scum. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:36 Holyflare wrote: i'm not going to make a big case, i've said everything that needed to be said? now he's just a broken record that found "scum" and won't stop ONLY pushing it and relating things to that, there's no drive and no hesitance I find it compelling to TR him just cause he's siding with me so hard. | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:55 Fecalfeast wrote: this guy is town. I like the way he looks at rayn. Like a lot Well I don't like it cause it's the usual meta argument where people expect you to play exactly the same in every game, it doesn't apply to me, it doesn't apply to rayn. People can change their styles, maybe rayn has become more considerate? I know mafia rayn as being more disruptive than town rayn so if I made the same observations as Toad I'd argue in the opposite direction. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:20 Holyflare wrote: how is it just solely based on meta and an exaggeration? if you get rid of the meta then it just leaves rayn has reads and he isn't driving them home like he should be and isn't really doing anything I have reads too and people aren't falling to their knees when I post reasons for these reads, there's only so much you can do when they don't listen. You are in the same spot. You have a scumread on rayn and only few people willing to pile up, does this make you the same as rayn? | ||
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While people being too serious, ie not having fun, who feel like they don't really believe their arguments or overemphasize them tend to be scum, which is what I'm saying about Artanis. @ HF | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:40 Vivax wrote: Another thing about Toad is that in his later big post with the reads he picked all of the people who are up for lynch today, nothing novel, just the low hanging fruit other people worked for. And to add on this, he doesn't display a clear preference. He literally just gave his own reasoning on everyone that has a shot at getting lynched. That's mafiaish cause he feels he doesn't have to do anything else except comment on people townies already want to lynch, so he gives a bit of -bsbsbs- on each one of them to appease us. | ||
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Now that I'm actually reading them I feel quite worried cause he's trying to look like he makes sense and is an asset who cares, but without the usual cockiness. | ||
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On March 21 2015 03:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What can I say, I'm not good at catching mafia other than by poe. The only time I ever truly caught mafia was when I vig shot Mocsta in one game. Except that the point you scumread me at was the Damdred case, not some PoE you came up with on your own. And the waffling is very strong in you. | ||
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On March 21 2015 03:46 rsoultin wrote: viva, ls isn't mafia i'd rather lynch you over him, cause even though i'm having doubts whether or not you're mafia, i trust my read on him more i've already said i'm willing to consolidate elsewhere but i want a rayn lynch cause that's the one i'm most certain on can we agree on someone other than ls? Pick one between Toad, SL and Artanis. Especially Artanis should know better. | ||
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On March 21 2015 03:56 Damdred wrote: Vivax...why is it that you might have three pages prior to getting pinged but right after I drop it you more than double your whole filter in a matter of hours? That bothers me Are you implying a townie is more likely to just fall over and die? | ||
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On March 21 2015 03:57 Toadesstern wrote: of course not, chances of me flipping mafia are 0%. From your pov probably 1% because there's no 0% / 100% But if I were mafia and you town I would know it was 0 % | ||
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On March 21 2015 03:58 Damdred wrote: No that's not necessarily what I'm saying. Why were you so back of the bus before I pinged you. Obviously you had all this going on and thoughts but you weren't posting? Today is the day that matters and I always crank my activity up when I have to do more stuff. What's the point? Is that to say "I won't even bother judging everything you wrote and instead just say haha, you posted more after the case". Cause that's what it looks like Damdyboy, which is sad cause now I'm officially treating you as scumspect for this attitude, no more holding back. You will never lynch me. | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:00 rsoultin wrote: i think his palmar reasoning is bad -shrugs- but not to the point that it makes him scum like, i'd be flipping shit too if people tried to mislynch me for what i perceived to be the same reason i got mislynched last time i also think that saying he's only scumreading the popular scumreads is kinda unfair...given they wouldn't be popular if people didn't have reasons to scumread them? no one's arguments against toad have really seemed that strong to me -shrugs- You lack the ability to take a townies point of view for some reason. Guess you're just noob. Anyway, it's start of day, everybody is banterin. Notorious trolly zero-fucks-given Mr. Palmar comes in and says you're mafia cause you said guyses and not guys. Do you go apeshit and read him scum as town? | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote: I really don't mind being suspected or lynched for that matter. Its just a game however. I was more asking about your lack of activity early rather than later there was plenty for vivax to talk but you stayed mum on important issues of the time Artanis could make the same argument about you before you vomited that wall of text scum is sheeping, whether you're buddies or not. But he isn't, and you don't observe that he isn't. | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:04 Toadesstern wrote: mentioning that again to show that whole point about how he doesn't care about his own standards unless it fits his agenda. Like how I'm supposedly playing towards what he perceives to be my mafiameta while saying that people using meta to figure out other people are all crap because people can change and you shouldn't use meta. Whiny frog = funless scum popular reads = low hanging fruit, oh but there's Palmar who you omgused cause of some bs reasoning he used at a stage where I was still talking about my meal It's not meta it's the general heuristic I use + subjective feeling from having played with you as either alignment. Fruity mafia | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:06 Damdred wrote: Arts is knows my plight out of thread so does hf so I suspect they are cutting me slack. That doesn't answer my question though just throws shade on me. What question? That I defend myself when I have to and when I have to defend myself I also have to post more? X leads to Y, that's your observation. I suspected Toad, LS and super before you made your case. I reconsidered on super before you made your case. I added in more people when I saw them jumping at me. I react to the game, and cause I react I post more. That's a natural consequence cause I'm being wagoned. You're trying to say that's a thing only scum do which is wrong and a filthy lie. | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:07 rsoultin wrote: damdy has been making reads all game anyway, vivax, that's a shit argument Go to Artanis with that. My beef with Damdred started when he made the case, also nice switching the argument when I reply about Toad. Now you talk about Damdred again? | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:13 Damdred wrote: Why are you misconstructing what I'm saying so that you can get defensive its quite annoying. Why did you stay out of the fray early and publicly declare you weren't going to take a stance on x or y and not take part in any of the hot discussions going on. And honestly if I'm not mistaken someone said toad was latching onto poular scum reads at the time bit so did you early Super and LS were popular scumreads? Quite the opposite. | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:14 rsoultin wrote: lol palmar and toad are omgusing the shit out of each other and frankly it bores me i like palmar's other stuff, for the most part, and would lynch toad over him easily...i just don't know that it makes toad scum and y'all continually saying it does isn't that convincing? Another question dodging? You're a snake. | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:16 rsoultin wrote: seriously? who am i supposed to be asking? palmar said that he was serious about the read. either he meant that or didn't dude if you don't want to talk to me, that's fine, but it's not going to help you any -shrugs- You just stated to Damdreds defense that he had reads before he made that case when it was a point Artanis made, not me. When I pointed it out you switched topic again dodging the fact that your arguments are fallacious. | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:23 Damdred wrote: You still did not answer my question... If your question is "why did you stay out of the fray" it doesn't deserve an answer cause I didn't, it's just the scummiest wording you can find for what I did when I hold back judgment cause I form reads in my own time. | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:25 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I'm here for a bit. I see nothing to answer for me. So rsoultin any thoughts on Vivax arguing with Damdred atm? What a pointless question. It's all she has been talking about so far. | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:33 rsoultin wrote: k gloves off first off, i did respond to your toad comment. that you didn't respond back before i made a comment on your other conversation is not my problem secondly, you said artanis should be calling damdy out on his activity. there is nothing fucking fallacious about saying damdy has been more active than you in giving reads >< and frankly i don't feel the need to damn well argue with you about whether artanis should or shouldn't have noticed something fundamentally wrong you prick thirdly, i was attempting to engage you in a conversation about toad in good faith and you decide to attack me for it? damdy i still want to lynch rayn >< No, I said Artanis initially suspected Damdred, then confirmed him town for vomiting a wall of text, which you would know if you read my filter. | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:40 rsoultin wrote: nah, it's between vivax and ls cause people won't trust me on rayn -_- and lord knows what hf is doing So apparently the only guy you didn't feel coinflippy on (SL) isn't an option anymore but LS is. I call bs. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: Drax the vig, the easiest role in the game to fakeclaim as mafia. Who would have though. Really convenient, isn't it? it doesn't matter, it's provable and CCable and it's real. I told you that you would regret it | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:07 Trfel wrote: Why Toadesstern? Cause he's still pushing for my lynch and everything I wrote. Are you even reading this game? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote: a) we don't know if there's a Drax in the game. b) it's possible for there to be more than one Drax in the game. c) a claimed Drax might be useless anyway because Nebula (Roleblocker) making it not even "provable" d) counterclaim isn't really useful because Korath (mafVig) I don't like the claim. I feel like Vivax would have claimed it sooner if real. Sooner than 3 hours before deadline? Are you stupid? I'm not VE. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:10 ExO_ wrote: I think it's more likely he's just tunneled hard. From my (limited) experience the mafia are much more likely to back off when you claim a blue role. Just like Mafia love to bus. Toad could be mafia, but it would be a really blatant move to push you like this when you hard claim if he was. I think it's much more likely he's town and tunneled. Do you know what you're achieving? Zero. Cause I have plenty other arguments for Toad being mafia and so do other people who are more experienced at the game than your opinion nobody cares about. | ||
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Lynch me then lynch Toad or the other way around. It's a good trade and I'd probably just shoot rsoultin out of spite. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote: I think we have the vigis shoot each other, right? This fucks us up so hard if they're both town, but I don't think we should spend lynches on this. No, we solve this NOW | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:20 Superbia wrote: Chances of both being town are so fucking real. No. I'm surely not going to bet on that, that would be really stupid and actually allows this situation to go unresolved for the rest of the game. Solve it now. Me or Toad it doesn't matter but he has to die now or later. | ||
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Toad has 2 votes, I have 5. If I go unlynched Rayn gets lynched, but rayn claimed too, so who would get lynched? SL, LS or Artanis have more votes than Toad, so he feels he has to cover his teammates by trading with me. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:26 rsoultin wrote: rayn i swear to god if you're town this game not only are you playing awful but you need to stop basing EVERY SINGLE READ off of others' reads on you >< more likely of the two claiming vig as mafia is vivax that's obvious vivax flips vig toad is dead vivax could still be town (possibly) but this is not a good scum move and i'm not lynching toad for it Reminder never ever to play in a game with you. And also reminder I'm removing you from the game if I survive this day. You're a detriment to this town. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm going to side with the counter claimer on this one. I don't see mafia toad going for the 1 for 1 here But will you lynch Toad when I flip town? You're leaving that out. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:35 Trfel wrote: Vivax's progression Claims vigilante Pushes the counterclaim (Toadesstern) with no restraint Suddenly acknowledges that there could be two vigilantes Continues pushing Toadesstern with complete confidence Leaves in frustration Hm. Lies?????? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:36 Palmar wrote: why did Toad even counterclaim, couldn't he just find an alternative lynch and shoot vivax in the night? See. This is what differentiates a noob from a guy who plays mafia for years. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:36 Trfel wrote: Not lies? Yes and now look for the other 4 posts where I shout to sort this out immediately. I'm not "a lot of people". You're misrepresenting me heavily. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:38 Trfel wrote: Grr, that's a good point, isn't it. I need to leave ASAP, already late. To elaborate on the Vivax quote I just posted, while it's possible that I am misinterpreting it, it seems that Vivax is endorsing the suggestion that there are multiple vigilantes. Otherwise, he would say something else other than "a lot of people like this idea". Yes I would say lynch Toad or me, which I did, you aren't reading properly but misrepresenting me without a shade of doubt. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:38 Palmar wrote: To be fair, has anyone even pointed out this possibility before? I can't think clearly. That feeling when you play dota and the team sucks. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:40 Toadesstern wrote: Or I tell people to not leave Vivax, get a mafia lynched and still shoot into mafia in the night and mafia has to KP as well as RB me? Mafia wouldn't know you're the vigi. And you do computer science? LOL | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:00 Toadesstern wrote: except that I've been saying that there is no way there are 2 vigs in this game. I even went ahead and wrote out that you guys should lynch me no matter what if I ever get in this and tell people I fakeclaimed Vig as VT because I'm not doing that. I'm not going to back down on Vivax fakeclaiming either. There are no two townvigs in this game. Vivax might be mafiavig who fakeclaimed to get his shot off though, which Palmar is conveniently ignoring to vote me based on "toad would just wait"... no I wouldn't There is no mafiavig ... | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:05 Trfel wrote: Mafia vigilante is in fact a possibility. As is alignment cop. Both Vivax and Toadesstern have made an error with regards to possible roles in the game. No, mafia doesn't have a role with KP except when they get the orb. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:08 Toadesstern wrote: Lie: Hence why your stupid vig fakeclaim is the easiest fakeclaim in the game and why you went for it. Hm, last time I checked there was no mafia vig I could swear. Anyway Toad, enjoy your survival for today, as you will be dead tomorrow. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:13 ExO_ wrote: He'a not mafia vig. He just slipped. There is no mafia vig. He is mafia however, he has to be Have you ever considered I missed it in the OP? Whatever, go on with your precopernical view of the game. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:22 Superbia wrote: Are you calling me mafia for saying that I think both of you are town? Yes. Cause if it's true it means you are very likely to have extra information. If it's true that is. Tomorrow it's all going to be about Toad. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote: Just give it a night, we force the vigs to shoot our own targets or they claim mafia. If they don't it's free mafia. I'll shoot who the hell I please, I'm not your puppet. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Unless you're the mafia vig and you were able to prove your role of course. What you just mentioned is exactly the reason why I would never fakeclaim such a role. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I believe that if you're mafia there is a mafia vig in your team. It doesn't even have to be you. That completely dodges the point. Point is: There is no way I would fakeclaim vig as 1. I can be CCd, 2. There's the chance of a mafia vig. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:30 Breshke wrote: are you trying to act tough or are you serious here? I'm serious. I'm selfish, and I shoot out of rage. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:33 Breshke wrote: Why? I'm still groggy but isn't the ebst play here to just shoot your CC. If you are the real vig do you not most likely know they are mafia? No I'll just shoot whoever pissed me off the most during the day so I can argue in peace without people derailing the thread. See my rage list I posted much earlier, those are the people I considered shooting. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:35 Vivax wrote: Yea like would be interesting to know who only pops up when the vigi claim is up since before it was just a plain wagon on me. It's like the best moment for scum to come in and post some cred-farming bullshit. Guys who fit the profile the most are Artanis, Trfel, Eden, super. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:34 Palmar wrote: The best reason for voting for Vivax is that Toad is using big letters and actually seems to care a fuckton. Wait a moment. This doesn't suggest I'm a good lynch, it suggests Toad is a bad lynch. So what Palmar? You rescinding your scumread? | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:38 Breshke wrote: But if you shot your cc you wouldn't have anyone to argue against??? Wrong. If I didn't have anyone to argue against I wouldn't claim in the first place. Go and lose this game, provided you're town. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:40 Palmar wrote: I'm saying I don't have a clue. He's doing a lot more to get you lynched than you to get him lynched. Yes cause all these guys being so sure about two town vigs smell like scum with extra info and the only situation in which Toad would CC me is when he or his teammates would get lynched otherwise. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:42 Trfel wrote: Vivax. Toadesstern probably isn't getting lynched today. Who is your primary lynch target, other than Toadesstern? Read my filter? | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:43 Palmar wrote: What about me Vivax? I came back, kept my vote on Toad and called him out for doing dumb shit. Then I switched to you. What do you think about this? I think you're Palmar and as Palmar you are entitled to do things without many fucks given. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm actually quite sure Vivax will flip mafia now. I'm getting the whole "flailing arms wildly in every direction" feeling. Cause if you get lynched after claiming your role you wouldn't flail wildly. A masterpiece of empathy. | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You suddenly sound like you believe I'm town. Not at all, I'm claiming that flailing wildly in this case is town indicative. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:49 Damdred wrote: Heres the thing that i'm struggling with on this initial slam scum read even though I agree with it in principle, I recently played a game with slam over at another site and he played like this there as town. It gives me a bit of pause at this juncture, also Slam went against quite possibly the hardest hitting player in the thread because he thought he was getting railroaded early. I think that's kind of towny coming from slams position rather than just straight omgus. He still looks a bit scummy because of his seriousness but this post reads sort of towny to me. Rereading the game this post looks pretty shite given it's one of the typical "a bit of this and a bit of that" posts mafia tends to make when they feel there's something they can comment on early. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax Damdred is most likely town. Unfortunate, but true. I hope not. I tend to read him later in the game as I once caught him just based on the inconsistency between reads and actions, but this game, based on that post on Alakaslam and his interactions with Artanis and since I'm forced to make a definite scum team now, I will have to go with this guess. | ||
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Toad is the big question mark as I was sure he was scum based on actions and his CC but there's so many people suggesting two vigs I started thinking it might be true. Anyway it's his problem for the next day and even though dead I will still have a good laugh when he can keep defending himself post-my-flip, regardless of his alignment. Super again displayed townish traits as he didn't take the opportunity to come at me when I called him mafia for not coming at me, plus the earlier convo with Eden. Might actually be town since he sort of defends me. Breshke full null as I didn't even look at this guy. LS and SL. In the game where rayn shot me I correctly read LS as scum post-death but I got a lot of resistance when doing it again. Maybe it was a lucky hit in that game and he really plays this nervously no matter his alignment? I'll go with LS being the scum and SL being the dumb for now, his answer I called him mafia for heavily lacked sharpness and seemed wordy + nervous and just more than requested for no reason. Possibly also both, although I don't know who I would swap out for one of them, so going with both for opportunistically piling up on me when all of my possible mafia was an option for lynch (Artanis, SL, LS, Toad). Exo is a noob in my opinion. Already had the pleasure to win a game for him but whatever. Insticintively going with town. Big joker (Ie Toad = another vig): VE or BM. VE abandoned his push on Artanis after the claims without batting an eyelid. He claimed a "blue" (well it's VE) but his overconfidence coupled with the quick abandoning of that overconfident read is a strong contrast that can't be unseen. Possibly he was bussing Artanis just cause. See mafia LVI where he shat up the thread with scumbuddy Toad, the noobs won't even look at it but whatever. It's possible. BM cause HF says so and cause I have to assume HF is town. That's it I guess. Pretty much everything on my mind currently except the points on LS and SL I brought up earlier and you can look up yourself. Bad players tend to never look at flipped townies so it's probably another wasted effort but whoever does knows I didn't lie. I'm not the master scumhunter but I do find scum when I'm not too stubborn about my reads. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:29 Toadesstern wrote: In the literally impossible scenario of you flipping townVig I'll tell people I'm sorry and that they need to lynch me as fast as possible to get over this mess and win starting by d3 Well, good luck with that. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote: Nobody cares about your petty shitty vig claim fight. There's loads of mafia let's kill them So if I switch to BM what are the chances of him getting lynched over me or Toad? Approx 0% | ||
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Guess me and Toad just shoot each other and get the discussion out of the way. For the chance we're both town mafia roleblocks one and the Wifom starts anew, nothing is achieved. But at least BM doesn't have to get shot any more. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:35 Superbia wrote: Just ask yourself this one question: Where the fuck are SL and LS at? Also Slam? You scumread LS and SL as well? Cause in the team I'll be posting pre-death they're both included. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax why do you suddenly not 100% scumread Toad anymore? Do you think there's 2 vigis? If you read my posts you would know I played with the thought. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yet you scumread anyone that brought it up yourself, that sounds kinda hypocritical. Point being? | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:42 Trfel wrote: Vivax. You denied it when I said that you were open to the possibility of two town vigilantes. Now you're saying that you're open to the thought. What? What's the first thing you think when you have a role and get CCd that role? | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:44 Palmar wrote: I'm behind again. What should I be doing? Vote BM. Save the Krauts | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:44 Trfel wrote: To be honest, I don't know. But I don't see how it is relevant to what I posted at all. You think the guy who's CCing you is mafia. But in this case it only makes sense for Toad if it means that a mafia would die guaranteed if I don't get lynched. Like it makes sense for me to not fakeclaim vig out of all the roles if I was mafia. I reacted, I thought, I concluded. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:46 Trfel wrote: This is where I'm at, too. I just don't see this getting resolved without using a lynch. You're mafia son. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:49 ExO_ wrote: We can resolve this here and now. I believe vivax is mafia. If we let both go there's a good chance we end up dealing with it in some form tomorrow. What do you think of when you say dealing with in some form? | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:52 Superbia wrote: Vivax, you're actually surprisingly calm for a person currently leading in votes. x: I did the flailing already, and it's not the first time I get lynched so w/e. It gives you information from confirmed town and I delivered it. I try to save myself when I can but if it doesn't work there's still an upside. | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:56 Palmar wrote: Jesus I feel so not plugged in. How is it better to leave both vigi guys alive? I promise I will shoot Toad, the way he acts he would shoot me. If I don't shoot him you lynch me, if one claims roleblocked you lynch him too. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.giphy.com/4bpgqEqmOTwuk.gif) BETTER A VANILLA THAN ME. Now I can shoot Toad. Let's start making plans on how to solve this situation without wasting blues. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:07 Trfel wrote: What about the part where you just said that Toadesstern was probably town, and there could be two vigilantes? Who should I shoot, how about that? | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:08 Palmar wrote: if I just hammered townie over mafia vivax I'm going to play only newbie games for the next year. Don't worry | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And the one that isn't mafia gets rbed and we end up wondering if they're just getting framed or not and waste another day on that. And the one that is mafia has to shoot the townie one or deal with the consequences. A good deal. | ||
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At the very least mafia can't RB anyone else and the mafia vig can't shoot a townie? -> if one scum At least I hope this is the case. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:16 VisceraEyes wrote: You really shit the bed this time town. Says the guy who didn't do jack. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:18 Toadesstern wrote: except that in the 0% chance of us both being town we don't suck up RBs because mafia will happily watch us shoot each other, but yeah awesome that you know I'll be roleblocked and try to make it sound like you will be as well... I'm not going to listen to HF, Rayn or Palmar if they're going to make me shoot someone else. Period. Hell I'm more likely to listen to Artanis at this point, the guy I had down as mafiaread 24 hours ago... and VE is ... weird despite being town so take that as what it is. Idk, you'd probably have to give me some pretty good damn reasoning to shoot someone other that Vivax at this point and I'm not sure if that's possible at all. Probably not. I think there's an optimal play in this situation. And I want it to be optimal for town. So I'm open to suggestions. We have a claimed tracker and two vigis. Maybe both are town, maybe one is scum. | ||
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Did they slap and bully you? Leave the poor dick alone man. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivax was about to get lynched. If he didn't claim something he died. If he's mafia, that's the point - to not die. I don't know why you're dismissing this as possible. Vivax was about to get lynched. If he didn't claim something he died. If he's blue, that's the point - to not die. I don't know why you're dismissing this as possible. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote: Because as blue Vivax knows how to not get lynched without claiming. And he also knows to claim before he's a leading lynch candidate. Or at least I think he does. Maybe he doesn't. :O Why should I claim before I'm a leading lynch candidate? I don't give out my role like candy. And if people knew how to not get lynched without claiming, the game of mafia wouldn't be possible. In the meantime, the BM guys are my heroes and everyone else is filth, at least until HF delivers who's scum on the BM wagon. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Maybe it's a preference thing, but I like to claim as vig and wave it around and threaten to shoot people in the face with it. I did that before claiming | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Well it doesn't mean anything unles you claim LMAO It does cause it reveals that I had the mindset of a vig which is all that matters to evaluate whether my claim is real or not. Remember my rage threshold reference when I was pissed at rsoultin? | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Like that could just as easily be when you decided to claim vig as mafia for all I know. :/ I decided to claim 3 h pre-lynch to leave room for discussion and to exclude the possibility that someone could say "but it's too late to claim nobody would CC you" which surprisingly Toad did. | ||
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On March 21 2015 08:48 ExO_ wrote: We had 3 blue claims. 2 vigi. combined with the irb mechanic in this game I refuse to believe there are 2 vigis. So we have somebody lying. Now we're going into n1 not knowing who it was. And there's a real possibility that one ends up RBed. What if the real one gets RBe, and we go into d2 with both alive? Now what do we do we still dont know who lied. This line of reasoning doesn't make sense as Toad says he's shooting me in 99% of the cases, which means 100 %. | ||
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On March 21 2015 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: nah i am not. just about to go to bed. not drunk. i don't play mafia drunk anymore. Well I do. | ||
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On March 21 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote: 100% two town big are very possible. I'd shoot two question marks maybe super and one of the ones who complained and steeped onto bm. I need to look just don't be dumb and kill each other. This doesn't make sense cause you 180 ° on the opinion you had before the BM lynch happened for no reason. In your opinion I should still be mafia but why am I not? | ||
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On March 21 2015 09:38 Damdred wrote: Meh I remembered fanfic and you weren't looking horrid Fanfic? Never played in a fanfic. | ||
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On March 21 2015 09:42 Damdred wrote: BH did fan fiction mafia where Scum just rolled town Kochi and jat were both town vig Even then it means you decided to take the claims at face value instead of remaining loyal to your own case, so that's what bothers me. On the other hand it makes me wonder why you just wouldn't keep claiming that I'm mafia if you were mafia. Hard to tell for me whether I should scum- or townread you for this change of attitude. At least you opened up the possibility of discussing other reads and that's what matters. if you check my last reads, is there anyone you would agree on being possible scum? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:09 Toadesstern wrote: No? We don't even know if a townvig exists. The counterclaim can be said for any role. He just picked the one that's the easiest to fake as mafia. On March 21 2015 05:16 Toadesstern wrote: You guys are a bunch of idiots. I'm Drax myself. Hence my vehement opposition to him claiming vig... Vivax is lying. There is absolutely no way we have two fucking Drax in the game. No way is it just me or is that something a Drax would never say? "We don't even know if a town vig exists". | ||
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On March 21 2015 09:58 Holyflare wrote: it's exactly what someone who is blue would say I can't get behind it, why would I put such a question in the room when I know I'm that role in the game? | ||
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On March 21 2015 10:02 Toadesstern wrote: now I'll just be RB'ed because you guys made me claim... That's ok cause I decided I'll be withholding my shot. Reading your filter I'm coming around to the idea you might be town, so jokes on you if you actually shoot me. The funniest thing about this situation is that the best play is to simply not shoot. That's my opinion. Cause there's the chance we're both town and a shot means the other guy is likely to get lynched the next day. And if one of us is mafia he has the pressure to withhold his shot too, plus the town vig can't fuck up by shooting a townie. Win Win for me. I won't send in my action. | ||
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On March 21 2015 10:12 rsoultin wrote: i tend to agree that scum would want to get a blue role lynched...however there are other ways, too, like parking a vote outside the wagons, that might look less damning A la VE? | ||
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On March 21 2015 10:16 Toadesstern wrote: I told you that we're 100% not using a mafia vig to shoot a mafia no matter what the situation. I woke up dead without giving any consent whatsoever. Yeah the game was lost but you were mad that I was bullying you and telling you what to do in the QT, that was it. Yes Toad, I blasted you to pieces and drank your blood in the light of a full moon. Are we done with the offtopic or are you going to start doing something useful instead of these pointless ego wars? | ||
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On March 21 2015 10:38 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back just got my Dad from the Airport and had Dinner with him and saw that BM was lynched instead of Vivax or Toad since they are the ones who claimed Vig and counterclaimed each other. Also Holyflare looks a little bad for lynching BM and rayn and Palmar's switches seemed scummy after the flip of BM. Perhaps rayn is Mafia alongside Holyflare and Palmar? I don't know tbh but I think 1 of the 3 of them is Mafia at least. @Holyflare: Why you thought BM was Mafia? @rayn: Why you swap to BM when I thought you were scumreading Vivax? @Palmar: Why you swap to BM too when you didn't really say much about him in your filter? ... 1. He pointed out why. 2. He scumreads Toad. 3. He scumreads Toad. Some for you: Do you think HF is fakeclaiming being masoned with ONegu? Where have you been around deadline? Are your only possible scummers these three guys cause BM got lynched and over the course of the game you never found anyone else to suspect? | ||
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On March 21 2015 10:46 LightningStrike wrote: I don't think HF is fakeclaiming being Masoned with Onegu because HF normally doesn't fake claim a role as Town. I was at the airport picking up with my Dad at deadline and was taking him out to eat dinner. Those 3 were the biggest ones I thought of after checking out EoD stuff. There could others I just need to check voting patterns on that. I can buy your deadline explanation but what I don't buy is why you ask HF those questions before reading the reasons and not thinking that his claim is fake anyway. | ||
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On March 21 2015 10:56 LightningStrike wrote: I have a good knowledge on how to balance setups but unless Mafia got a roleblocker and a 2 shot vig for themselves idk if we would even have 2 vigs with a Tracker too in the mix. Mafia has 5 possible roles, I'd guess they have 3 or 4 and 1-2 goons and if one of their roles is a mafia vig it's entirely possible town has two vigs, a tracker and two masons, and the two vigs can just help mafia as well by removing townies so it's more of a neutral role in the hands of town, so I'd also guess that another blue can be in the game. | ||
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On March 20 2015 21:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think you also severely overestimate my average mafia game. I highly doubt I'd get anywhere near this quality of posting with Imperial still so fresh, and rolling mafia again shortly after in Student, buut that's something I know of myself. On January 17 2015 12:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: While we're on the topic of gloating though, I legitimately didn't think I could play scum this well. Like if TownArtanis was in this game he'd read this scumArtanis as town. At least until the terrible Palmar push. | ||
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On March 21 2015 19:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I am actually playing much postier than in Imperial though. I only had 6 pages on D1 there, whereas I had 13 here. I don't think I'm capable of playing more than 100% postier than my postiest game as scum. I also checked a town game where you got shot N3 and you had less filter there than in this entire game. If you feel like comparing things you can't just look at your scum games. | ||
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On March 21 2015 19:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fact: Posting as town is easier than scum. If you deny this you are lying. Fact: I've posted far more D1 than I have in any scumgame. I believe I've posted about this much in D1 before in a towngame but I'm not certain. PYP? Fact: This means it's much more likely I'm town than scum. How about the fact you were almost fucking off not doing anything for the entire duration of the night if I didn't prod you about this? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 21 2015 05:10 Trfel wrote: I'm not saying that it makes Vivax 100% town. It doesn't. But it definitely makes me hesitant to lynch him today. The chances are fairly good that we do have a vigilante. Vivax is leaving himself wide open to counterclaims here. In addition, while (until he started being wagoned) Vivax wasn't very active, his filter seemed aggressive enough to me, and Damdred's case felt exaggerated. The primary point being that it appeared like Vivax really did push Superbia, it's just that he was unable to get many others to agree with him. And yes, eventually he dropped it, as one would expect someone to do when no one else agrees. On March 21 2015 05:23 Trfel wrote: My head hurts......... I don't see mafia!Toadesstern claiming vigilante here to secure a lynch on Vivax. That seems like a bad play, with the potential exception being if raynpelikoneet is mafia (but raynpelikoneet already claimed tracker, so I don't think Toadesstern's counterclaim vigilante would be necessary). Thus, I believe Toadesstern's claim. The question then becomes if Vivax should be lynched. I do think it is possible to have two vigilantes in this game, somewhat unlikely, but very possible. Half the Sky does like vigilantes. The bolded in above post doesn't even make any sense. On March 21 2015 05:26 Trfel wrote: I wasn't scumreading Vivax before this claimfest started. I agree with Superbia that there is a very real chance that both Vivax and Toadesstern are town. Though Vivax could still be a good lynch today, maybe. On March 21 2015 05:29 Trfel wrote: Look, we are absolutely not lynching Toadesstern today. You don't need to read the thread to see this. I need to leave basically right now, I hope I'll get back for EOD. I'm looking at Vivax and raynpelikoneet for the lynch. For now, I think Vivax. Reason being how stubbornly he's attacking Toadesstern instead of taking a step back and realizing that his counterclaim means he is probably town. Though I could see a desperate, tunneling town doing this as well. ##vote Vivax | ||
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Ok, for dummies: Trfel is mafia cause he brings up the possibility of two town vigs being in the game, doesn't scumread me for my play, but scumreads me cause he concludes that Toad's claim makes him town, and also cause I don't entertain the notion that two vigs can be in the game. Get it? "Two town vigs are possible" "I think Toad is the vig, hence Vivax scum" That was Trfel. | ||
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what he said was 1. Vivax isn't scum and Damdred's case was exaggerated. Believe claim. Toad CCs 2. Two vigs are very possible in the game. 3. Toad wouldn't CC as scum so the claim is real 4. Superbia is right that two vigs are possible but Vivax could be a good lynch 5. I will vote Vivax cause he still attacks Toad, but townies could do it too. 6. Vivax mafia cause he said there can be multiple vigis As you see he jumped on the wagon after TRing me, and he did that right after arguing that Toad's claim is legit. | ||
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And yes I coached Trfel and he's supposed to be a good town. But he's not town this game. | ||
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On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch. You're afraid to call HF scum. | ||
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On March 21 2015 22:54 LightningStrike wrote: Those are my 100% based on the switches there maybe a 1% chance that Holyflare is Mafia with Onegu even though they claimed Mason but that would be dumb for them to claim Mason so early. Rsoultin said that ExO could be potental Mafia and so did you but I never played with Mafia!ExO yet so I can be wong on ExO's alignment (Shrugs). You are 100 % sure that Palmar and rayn are scum? And the other 3? What about me? | ||
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On March 21 2015 23:47 LightningStrike wrote: 100% one of them is Mafia based on switches alone in my mind at least. HF and Onegu is like 1% Mafia but they were under no pressure to claim Mason. Rayn is the unCCed Tracker idk why he claimed at the time he did but he is the unCCed Tracker. You still didn't say what you think about me now, cause that's important given that I don't know why you see the switching as scummy. Is it scummy to switch from town to town or from mafia to town? | ||
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You threw all your reasoning away you presented previously to hop on my convenient wagon. | ||
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On March 22 2015 00:41 Holyflare wrote: buddy in a normal game if someone claims blue and someone else cc's them who do you believe? Well I asked Trfel what he would think if he claimed blue and then somebody CCd him. He said "I don't know", obviously cause his argumentation was that I'm scum for scumreading Toad who I scumread ever since he whined about Palmar at start of D1. Just read it really. When the obvious answer is that if I get CCd my own role I will first think the other guy is scum. | ||
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On March 22 2015 00:43 Holyflare wrote: but i don't know why you're twisting your original reason of him thinking there were 2 town vigis and then suddenly not to this ^^^ This guy claimed he thinks two town vigis are likely and cause I don't believed the same from the start and pushed Toad initially I was scum. So there wasn't even a point in claiming he was soooo unsure about the existence of multiple vigs when he decided he would scumread me anyway based on the flimsy argument. | ||
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On March 22 2015 00:11 Trfel wrote: Hm? It's not good, I already explained why it's not good, before he posted...... Yes, I was (and still am) open to the possibility of two vigilantes. Yes, I wasn't wanting to lynch Vivax earlier. However, after Toadesstern counterclaimed, Vivax's play was extremely weird. He jumped around without logic, and his play was riddled with inconsistency. This is rather obvious. Because of this, and because I don't think the vigilante problem will resolve itself at night, I decided that lynching Vivax wasn't bad. This was completely unrelated to my willingness to accept the possibility of multiple vigilantes. I tried to look for alternative lynches, however without having actually read the thread, that was difficult. And no one wanted to talk about alternative lynches at all, at least until Holyflare came. This is generic bullshit about inconsistency and illogical play. You voted for me before asking me out about the inconsistency so it can't have existed previously but now you bring it up. The inconsistency was that I reconsidered on the 2 x vig version? Well, you decided I was scum before, and tried to push me more afterwards. You claimed my push on Toad was illogical when I kept posting about him through almost the entire day. | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:03 Trfel wrote: Vivax, let's assume that we are both town, and that I made a really bad play. I've made bad plays before. So, now you want to shoot me, because I made an error and wanted to lynch you. Despite a bunch of other people who think I am town. If you really are town, you shouldn't be using your vigilante bullet for personal grudges. You are experienced, you know very well that people are wrong a whole lot in mafia. You can shoot me here, but that won't gain you anything other than getting rid of someone who wanted to lynch you. And it will lose you your chance to kill mafia, and it will remove one more town from the game. Why aren't you scumreading me any more? | ||
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Why didn't you update your scumreads during the night and only show up when somebody points a gun at you? | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:21 Trfel wrote: As I said, I tried to look for alternative wagons by asking people for summaries of the wagons. I specifically remember asking about sicklucker and LightningStrike. But no one was interested at all, no one responded, so I let that drop. I've read the first 40 pages of the game carefully. I read from some page before the claims through the lynch, and I've read the last few pages. I've glanced through a few filters and cases that people said were important. I did what I thought was best with the information I had. Being well over 50 pages down when the lynch was happening, I thought it would be better to get summaries from other players and reread key parts of the game than trying to read the entire game or just reading filters and making my decisions 100% on my own (no context that way). I do want to go read the game, but if I get shot, there isn't much point of that. If town!Vivax shoots me, that would be extremely bad for town, so unfortunately that takes precedence over trying to read the game. If Vivax agrees not to shoot me, the first thing I will do is stop posting and go read the game properly. I don't have any reads on anyone at the moment, it would be premature for me to do so until I read the entire game, and then reread several filters more carefully. + Show Spoiler [If you must have reads...] + Here's what I'm thinking right now, though again, my reads are quite likely to change once I get some more time. I still lean mafia on Vivax, although it seems that his actions post-lynch were townie, and I haven't read that part of the game. Artanis[Xp] switched to townread on Vivax, so that indicates that Vivax is probably town, even though I don't know why and my own, limited read says he is mafia. I'm still skeptical of raynpelikoneet. Not sold on the tracker claim, not sold on his level of play. It seems noticeably below his play in Mini Mafia Down Under 1. But the night actions ought to help with raynpelikoneet. I'm somewhat suspicious of Holyflare as well. I like how he was very aggressive to start wagons, notably his early pushes on Alakaslam and sicklucker. However, I don't think the sicklucker push was terribly alignment indicative (of sicklucker), and the Alakaslam push boiled down to a few misunderstandings (as both Holyflare and Alakaslam later realized). In addition, Holyflare is aggressive as mafia as well (Linux Mafia). The one strange thing about Holyflare is his push onto Bill Murray. That was a pretty bad push. In a critical stage of the game (two claimed vigilantes up for lynch), Holyflare made a (self admitted) terrible push against a fairly inactive player. And now he blames it on being drunk. Were it not for the Bill Murray push, I would put Holyflare as town, but now I'm not so sure.... I'm typing this without even having finished to read the post cause I feel outraged when you say you wanted to talk about SL and LS. THat's bullshit. I had them both as scum previously and you had plenty of chance to take some degree of influence on the game and discuss it with me or with anyone else. Instead your SL read doesn't get mentioned at EoD and you only choose between claims. You said Damdred's case was exaggerated when it was exactly the case that made me become the majority wagon in place of SL and LS who you claim were your scumreads, and yet I end up being your scumread. This doesn't make the slightiest sense. You NEVER pushed for a SL or LS lynch like I did. LS jumped on me after the Damdred case you found exaggerated and you didn't bat an eyelid on it, there's no mention of that opportunistic switch. Instead when it's between me and LS you don't claim a preference, you post this: On March 21 2015 04:36 Trfel wrote: Sorry, real life jumped up and got frustrating.... Based on the voting, it seems that Vivax and LightningStrike are most likely to be lynched. Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Damdred wrote a case on Vivax, so I will go read that. Whose filter should I read to see the LightningStrike case? Thanks. This reads like kush when he's mafia. Completely apathetic and doesn't reflect at all the opinions you gave on LS and Damdred's case on me. You passively acknowledge the existence of two wagons. And your next conclusion is? On March 21 2015 05:04 Trfel wrote: Well...... ##vote raynpelikoneet for now. I wasn't really liking a Vivax lynch anyway (based on the first 4 pages of Vivax's filter and Damdred's case). Raynpelikoneet's filter feels weaker. | ||
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If Vivax agrees not to shoot me, the first thing I will do is stop posting and go read the game properly. The other way around please. Wtf??? Why should I show any understanding for a guy who almost lynched me and then says "lol didn't read". | ||
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Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? Are there any other commonly accepted lynch targets? lol | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:45 Trfel wrote: Bill Murray had a fairly small filter and inactivity excuses. But at the same time, many of his posts showed analysis and scumhunting. You decided to push him for not being extremely crazy and for being away for large portions of time. This is based on years-old meta, and so I don't think it is a good push. Basically a policy lynch. I'm not thinking that it's suspicious that you searched for an alternative wagon, just that you decided to lynch Bill Murray for the reasons you did. Had you pushed for sicklucker or someone with more reasons that they could be scum, I wouldn't have minded in the slightest. So apparently rayn insta townread when he claims tracker but you have reasons to suspect the unccd masons? | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:13 ExO_ wrote: He'a not mafia vig. He just slipped. There is no mafia vig. He is mafia however, he has to be While the point looks good on its own, Eden, when I read his filter and step on this I think he's town for believing this. | ||
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On March 22 2015 02:34 Eden1892 wrote: can you elaborate on this? that makes the thing I found even more damning to me lol "why are you so sure vivax is mafia toad? stop tunneling he's not confirmed" "no vivax isn't mafia vig, but vivax IS mafia" Well it looks like he wasn't sure about me being mafia before he found the perceived slip, and thinking that what I said was a slip when I simply forgot about a mafia vig being in the game is so dumb it's townie. | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:58 rsoultin wrote: thanks for the translation dude i called truffle out within like...5 posts in his scum game he's a super slow burner...but the way he's approached the game while he's in-thread is just classic, cautious, naysayer everything has to be logical truffle like y'all hold him to this weird-ass standard because of carol when he didn't even play day 1? he's slow and unlike lightningstrike, i don't give him easy townreads lol >< The Trfel I coached spat out townie bricks from D1 on, then in Carol he had a change of style that didn't stop me from reading him town when he actually posted stuff that makes sense. This Trfel doesn't make sense. | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:02 sicklucker wrote: Longest post I have ever read You read it? That was actually the most informative wall of text I have never read. | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think you've been keeping up. I called you town earlier bro. And I don't think I give a crap about what you say during the night cause my observation stems from the day. | ||
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Or maybe it's just wifom. | ||
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Whatever happens a lot of people have an idea on who is scum and if those people die then scum should get wrecked, in theory. In theory cause there's always the chance somebody does his own thing instead of listening to dead townies. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: I'm not going to shoot HF, wtf is wrong with you. Shooting Onegu is equal to shooting HF, except that given his low participation it's going to cause less collateral damage. It takes away the tinfoil theory that the mason claim is fake but that's about it. I suspect scum to be elsewhere. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:05 Alakaslam wrote: Vivax, shoot Rsoultin. If she is town we can deduce rayn may very well be scum ? Why ? | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:10 Toadesstern wrote: Vivax why are you so open about your reads when you're a claimed vig? Cause I started into the night working under the assumption it would be my last. | ||
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Unless you force me to be stupid and tell you about it. | ||
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Host wifom tells me that if only one "vivax-vet" scumreads me then that guy is the vet on the mafia team. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:20 Holyflare wrote: why does slam keep dropping posts and then leaving instead of answering questions about them? Good point. MAYBE I'M SHOOTING SLAM. MAYBE NOT. MAYBE HE ANSWERS. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax were you your mom? My mom and I are different persons. I'm not capable of autogamy. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Someone with a townread on VE explain to me why he's town. He buddies me up pretty nicely with his reads and stuff. He also didn't try to lynch me. I think that suffices. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:30 ExO_ wrote: 100% accurate until you aren't What makes you so sure she's town, anything not meta-based? I found the 20-page-filter argument pretty convincing. Thanks to marv for brainwashing me on this part. | ||
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And to get back to rayn, for me it's all settled and I look forward to the stuff at hand, I don't want to reminisce in old events. | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:41 Holyflare wrote: well whatever i'm retroactively boycotting this game because it's not rng'd Don't pull a Koshi pls. | ||
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Now you're telling me scum didn't afk vote? | ||
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On March 22 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote: Of course he thinks your mafia wtf. You should think hes mafia the chance your both vegs while possible is still like under 10% I disagree, however if I'm out soon then I know I didn't waste this night. Good to know you're popping in out of nowhere to tell us you already decided to push Toad tomorrow based on what he wrote jsut now | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:06 Toadesstern wrote: I did not get to change my shot... I shot VE Why would you have wanted to change your shot, and what would have the real target been? | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:09 Trfel wrote: Okay, let's go. I claim roleblock, which heavily implicates Vivax as mafia. Thoughts? What's your evidence of a roleblock? | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:09 Toadesstern wrote: I call bullshit on Vivax changing his shot to slam btw. The messages from Artanis and HF started 15 minutes piror to deadline with the final decision being 60 secs prior to deadline. But hey, Vivax is apparently town according to you I've sent in my shot on him long before I got threatened with death. So it's guaranteed to have been pointed at him. | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote: I had the orb, and I used the orb, and I got no result. Unless breaking the "change target in the last 20 minutes" rule causes you to get no result instead of just using your previous target. It's confirmed that I did in fact have the orb. You need to take my word for it that I got no result. Why are you holding back your target? | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:19 rsoultin wrote: truffle you are going to have to hard claim bud cause you don't get an rb notification in this game I thought the same asked him about it and he said his evidence is that he got no results, which now sounds like a lie cause he says he's waiting to post something. | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have 3 conspiracy theories but I don't want to trigger Vivax. Come on dude, I'm a man of science. | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:33 Trfel wrote: Ok, I can't think of anything I can gain from withholding my information I tracked someone who visited Holyflare. By my look at the role list in the OP, this person must either be scum or alignment cop. And for obvious reasons, I don't want to out the alignment cop. Would you accept it if someone alignment checked Holyflare, or would claiming such be considered claiming scum? I think only an idiot wouldhave checked HF. | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually I think you should make the claim as late as possible because this extra information will make it really hard for mafia to appear natural. At latest halfway through D1, enough EoD shenannies. | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote: Also do people think mafia double stacked HF or stacked with a "vigi" on VE. I'm missing a lot of pages but i don't see a reason why mafia would have shot VE other than to help/throw doubt on a vigi Toad claimed vigi shooting VE. For all you know there could be a jailer who protected somebody. And he should stfu about it. | ||
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It's like 99 % mafia. | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, Trfel withholding the information is great and we need to stop discussing it and actually get on with our reads because the interactions we make now are going to be all the more interesting then. "Get on with our reads". After you. I'm not forming my reads on incomplete information. I'm also interested into Toad's argument why I shouldn't have shot Alakaslam cause deadline and shit. Like he's supposed to know when I sent in the shot, and what my decision was. This tunnel is getting too tunnelly for my taste. | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote: well that implicates rayn too xP Not in the slightiest? | ||
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On March 22 2015 09:00 rsoultin wrote: one of the "tracker's" scumreads was selected to carry KP? lolol that or it says scum is dumb xP And if rayn was right on multiple scum you could use the same argument. I had pretty much the same reads as him. | ||
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On March 22 2015 09:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm pretty sure that makes Onegu confirmed town. Seems likely mafia tried to take out both Onegu/HF to get rid of two in their eyes confirmed towns because of the mason claims. More likely than Onegu fakeclaiming mason in any case. Affirmative | ||
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I made my decision 2 h before deadline, without sending an action in previously and also never wavering from my decision. | ||
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I'm a man of science. | ||
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On March 22 2015 09:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if you think all mafia do exactly the same and line up on the same boat I don't know exactly what to say. Well in the context in which it happened it made a lot of sense, since all of you guys who ended up piling on me had exactly three votes per person before you fueled the wagon on me. | ||
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Was a pleasure to nail scum D1. Good night gentlechaps. | ||
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On March 22 2015 10:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If only HF told us why SL wasn't scum before he died, that could've been most helpful. meh still here. Why not Alakaslam? | ||
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On March 22 2015 10:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That means there's 4 scum in SL/Slam/Exo/Breshke/Superbia/Palmar/Rayn. Sounds solvable. Wanted to quote this. | ||
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Just typed out the new scumlist and then I realized they decided to let me live instead of BM? That's something I don't want to believe. | ||
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On March 22 2015 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yes, I should be dark green by now. Look at what I've been doing today and my filter size for gods sake. There's something oddly convincing about this post. | ||
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On March 22 2015 10:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If THAT'S the post that bopped you over the edge I swear I will lecture you postgame SO HARD. lol | ||
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On March 22 2015 10:21 Toadesstern wrote: nevermind found it with that info and I was wrong: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii thought someone was in that game from in here. Yeah, me lol. | ||
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ExO claimed cop for no reason in the belief he spotted a lie. Enjoy getting killed next night, thanks for not confirming anyone -.- rsoultin probably stopped a shot on Onegu in scum's belief that they were about to take out two masons, in the hope that the vig claims keep causing confusion. Or they hit a vet and we will never know. Scum LS got wrecked by the orb. Questions: Scum has no vigilante but town has two? Why did rayn track me? Why do I get RBd of all the claimed PRs? | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:07 Toadesstern wrote: it is not proveable. If you get checked you will show up as vig, that can be townvig or mafiavig. There's nothing about it proveable. As well you're wasting a towncheck on you as well as having the ability to just fake it by using KP if we don't end up checking it. Nothing about this claim is proveable Why would a check return my role and not my alignment? | ||
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On March 22 2015 21:26 Vivax wrote: Also, there's a mistake in the votecount. Toad never voted LS even though his name is displayed as strikethrough. | ||
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Anyway the point is that Toad's CC would make perfect sense as scum in a team of Rayn/LS/SL/Toad/Artanis, whether he's mafia vig or just scum who used team KP. | ||
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On March 22 2015 21:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He claimed to hold the orb. I guess I'll give Vivax some time to snap out of his conspiracy theory if he needs it. Where's Toad though? He was going to be here at 1. Conspiracy theory? Toad is mafia. Gtfo with calling my reads conspiracy theories. You aren't entitled to do that, so fu for saying that. Should have grown more hair before doing capoeira. | ||
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He posted a list of possible scummers before switching to me pretending to be in a fit of rage. Almost all of these options stopped appearing in his later reasoning. Guess who? Rayn, LS, Artanis. | ||
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On March 22 2015 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax is also claiming conspiracy theorist. Frankly, I believe it. Says the guy who suggests Trfel gives us a teammate for free? | ||
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Out of this list, removing you and LS, whom would you lynch Artanis? | ||
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On March 22 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: LS's IRL problems could trigger him into not wanting to play. I find that a lot more believable than an argument based solely around a possibility in a vacuum that ignores the fact that Toad has been working to solve the game above and beyond the call of duty of what he'd do as town, as well as the fact that pretty much all confirmed town are starting to come to the same conclusion. Wrong, during the night everyone was wondering where Toad was before he came in with an excuse, and after the night the first thing he tried to do was probe if the lack of my shot would raise waves. He's also mafia for posting this: on to people I havn't realy read and it's more of a gut-read: SL I still feel very strongly about just being a lynchbait. I don't even have a read on him, he's pretty much null for me but I just don't see this emoticon thing being a thing. The reason for which he got a target early on was stupid and I think he among myself was the easy (easier) place to dump votes onto for mafia or start a mislynch. I'm not going to lynch that unless someone shows me something big that happened in the last 25 pages about him. What's the point of posting this as town? It's a mafia read. | ||
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On March 22 2015 21:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn is a definite possibility but I want to engage him first. I think SL is probably town based on circumstancial evidence (Superbia/Slam voting him and them looking poor). Never lynching Toad ever because he's town and that would go against my win condition. Unflipped people voting for somebody aren't circumstancial evidence, it's just a comfortable way for you to give him a TR. | ||
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On March 22 2015 21:57 sicklucker wrote: Can we decide on the vig claims now? I think its pretty clear toads fake now when he says he shot ve. The chances theres two vigis is pretty slim and we have so many blues theres probably not even a medic or a vet. Go on... | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually there doesn't seem to be a vet in the OP. What? Corpsman Rhomman. | ||
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On March 22 2015 21:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He thought you were pretty much confirmed mafia for the claim. He slowly started realizing that wasn't the case when I talked to him, and then went on with me to look at the general overview of the game. The reason is that he believes SL to be town and we were trying to work on PoE? I don't see the problem. That's the point. He doesn't believe he's town. He's firmly null when Toad didn't even finish the read. Toad only posted those names for the simple reason that those are people that a majority already considered lynching. It's the low hanging fruit. | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have TR Toad ever since he CCed you because it makes no sense from a mafia PoV. I thought this was obvious by now. When you say "it makes no sense from a PoV" you enter the wifom. | ||
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On March 22 2015 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad was suspicious of Palmar hard all day yesterday and then in the end all he did was scream about lynching Vivax. Even while a wagon built on someone that wasn't either one of them, he screamed about Vivax instead of Palmar. I think he bussed Palmar earlier on in the day and then saw an opportunity to back off it. Time to make him put his chips on the table. I think Vivax is town, and I think you're town, and I think rayn is town, and everyone seems to think LS is mafia. So I want Vivax to shoot LS. | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: When you go back to one thing and claim it makes someone mafia, then ignore the rest of their game, you enter the Vivax zone. I don't buy that Toad CCed for a 1 for 1 as scum, could push you as convinced as he was, end up TRing you because of good argumentation (mine) and then proceed to attempt to solve the game. The town narrative makes much, much more sense. How am I ignoring the rest of Toad's game? I've scumread him for the Palmar overreaction, I scumread him for the overreaction towards me, for picking the low hanging fruit when he doesn't even have a read on them, for jumping on the biggest wagon in a faked fit of rage, for shooting a guy who wasn't even in his list previously and doesn't fit into the Alakaslam category, for fucking off most of the night, for trying to use the RB on me against me. I have information from every phase on Toad. Also I'm removing rayn from the possible scummers as that is way more tinfoil than a mafia Toad. | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Of course he ended up screaming about you; you claimed vig, a role he had and did not believe there could be two of. Unless this is from a stage where you hadn't claimed yet. He screamed about me after I posted the thing where I said that expecting somebody to always play the same as an alignment is wrong, more or less. That was before the claim. See? You aren't even bothering to read him properly. | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No, we need an actual voice of reason like Eden or maybe a re-evaling Damdred in here. A leader isn't the voice of reason, a leader is someone who can make himself heard. | ||
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I think I like it this way. | ||
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FTFY ![[image loading]](http://media3.giphy.com/media/wSIxJ5jALIaeA/giphy.gif) | ||
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Whereas I have every reason to believe Artanis' was ever since he jumped on that case of yours in unisono with LS | ||
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On March 22 2015 23:59 Damdred wrote: Don't ignore my question please vivax. Why ff, Read his case on LS, the timing, and the followup. VE mentioned something about his play seeming less spastic than town FF and I agree it looks different, plus the PoE. | ||
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On March 23 2015 00:09 Damdred wrote: Yea this aligns with how town ff has played recently though. So vivax you think we have masons, vig, tracker, cop and jk? One vig. Toad is mafia. The scum godfather is track- and check-immune. Also I'm still evaluating whether rayn is making a play here, so I wouldn't put it past him to rescind the claim. | ||
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On March 23 2015 00:14 Palmar wrote: From a different game: Not quite what happened but I do love the fact that at the first sign of trouble he admitted mafia. I actually have a brilliant idea for future games ##vote Lightningstrike Don't get why you only comment on the obvious. What's your guess for the entire team? | ||
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On March 23 2015 00:30 rsoultin wrote: like in all honesty what should happen there if all these players are town is: RB town vig (vivax) kill claimed tracker (rayn) kill one of the masons (hf/onegu) can argue that night actions are wifom and i generally agree but i mean...removing confirmed towns and threats just makes way more sense than yoloing it on a lark I'm pretty sure scum believed the mason claim or they wouldn't have shot HF, ie Onegu very unlikely to be mafia and likely to have been shot as well. Speculative but whatever. It really is just speculation and I'd like if other people went more to the standard scumhunting instead of just talking about the claims. | ||
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On March 23 2015 00:48 rsoultin wrote: what exactly about onegu is townie other than his mason claim which changes with the breeze? I have no idea and will just trust HF on this. | ||
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You may think highly of your play but straight out ignoring so many people with probably more experience than you is really stupid. At the very least if you are a supporter of that position it is your task to find arguments for it instead of lazily putting him into a list cause activity. I still have to see an argument that goes beyond "he's active or trying to solve the game" whereas multiple arguments for him being mafia have been presented from the aforementioned players. | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:00 rsoultin wrote: why is he scum to y'all again? can you make it succinct please? No, enough clutter. Read the game, mafia isn't babyfood to be spoonfed to lazy people, you actually have to dig and find the scum nuggets. Or listen to the right people. THe constant denial to do it for yourself and request to let others do the work for you is awful town play. Did you even read what confirmed dead townies wrote? | ||
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So I do sound quite angry for that. And it's the same reason why I'd understand rayn being mad and not even trying when he doesn't have to. It's the clash of differing playstyles, and I prefer analysis based play and get mad at people when they don't counter your analysis with more analysis but go like "meh, don't think so cause I feel like it". | ||
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Cause working with you isn't the same as working for you, I did my work on the Artanis part. I read him, I read HF, I read VE, I read rayn and their opinions on him. Everyone else is letting him slide for lazy reasons, and these are the guys I trust the most given that we know each other's plays being here for years. So I kindly ask you to read what HF and VE wrote on Artanis, cause if you can't trust me or rayn at least you can trust me. | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:32 Damdred wrote: Dead townies doesn't mean correct brownies sadly and honestly vivax in a almost 250 page game on the start of d2.... it might be advantageous of you to post the case again instead of complaining of spoon feeding people. Like seriously you didn't even read my big post vivax when I did it and you complain about rd not digging that's kinda frustrating to me I read it today. It's what made me go heavier on the vote analysis in regards to Toad -.- | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:29 rsoultin wrote: lol, i really don't see the problem with putting it in one place, succinctly, over me going back through five filters to find it, but if it bugs you that much, whatever (i wasn't asking you, btw, because i ever intended to accept what you were saying blindly >< i fact-check things. it's how i work with others' reads/cases. just ask damdy. i always fact-check his cases even when people go omg! sheep time) regardless i don't think it's worth arguing about. i'm not sure why you're so pissed at me right now, anyway? it's kinda unnecessary Pissed isn't exactly the word, I was just honest about my opinion on how the game should be played and why I think you're doing it wrong, and then suggested what to read. I figured I thought I was more constructive than how it actually came over? Okay, let's go into more concrete examples then. On March 22 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote: i really just want you to shoot artanis for this post plz On March 22 2015 05:13 Holyflare wrote: you mean like the last game where rayn afk tunneled on 1 guy the entirety of day 1 as town????? i don't believe you On March 22 2015 05:32 Holyflare wrote: if you think toad is town and i presume you think vivax is town because you didn't scum read him in your host wifom then why on earth was rayn in your list when he was on the bm lynch????? So can anyone tell me why HF is making wrong points on Artanis here? | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote: Also vivax if toad flips town, how does that influence this He won't. He included LS in his scumlist just cause. He ignored my LS arguments which were more than what he delivered which was a feels soup. If you actually read what he posted afterwards (after his big read post "and I still have to read 25 pages") you will see that his LS scumread was posted for the sake of distancing and not cause he meant it. Or he would have considered that I scumread him too, and my reasons for scumreading him before making me his main scumread based on something that made me look like I was misrepresenting people. Or he would have at least tried to discuss his lynch. He didn't. LS is nowhere to see afterwards. | ||
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- Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn. - It's possible RNG made it that way. Can you tell me how these two mesh? | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:06 rsoultin wrote: i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote: but fine if you want it: I shot VE because I was told to shoot him. I had a massive townread on HF/Eden and I wanted to shoot my target. I was convinced to shoot who I'm supposed to shoot after all so I did that. Nothing more, nothing else. Had I not done that you would be dead by now because it was between shooting you and listening to HF/Eden. It never was between my #1 scumread and any other scumreads. It was between doing what I want and doing what I'm told to do. Okay, so you went for the awful play and shot a guy who is able to post normally. You didn't post about your LS read but let's skip that for a moment. Would you lynch Artanis tomorrow? | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote: i know that i'm getting sick of artanis' she's town cause she has a ton of posts -_- that's true, but it's like the easiest read on me ever like, honestly, if i can't keep myself from getting lynched without eden/art running interference i'm the shittiest player here and should only play in newbies...that i then inevitably fuck up lol >< The only guy calling you scum is rayn so far, cause he doesn't buy you jailing Onegu cause medic dodge. I'm going with the theory you're town for pretty much the same reasons Artanis does. You don't seem to have trouble posting, but what you do have trouble with is getting some firm scumreads out there. | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:28 Toadesstern wrote: No? He's town I never had a LS read... I even had him on my sheet as "null, slightly leaning mafia" iirc what are you even talkinga bout. LS seems very political correct. I mostly remember him for talking about how he co-hosted or hosted one of the games I played in (either hammer or Joat I guess) and explaining how my stance might make sense. Easy stuff to talk about, add that up with actually thinking I'm town (apparently?) and I get the shivers. Like I said, I get the feeling a lot of mafias just tend to give me townreads or nullreads based on my lenghty posts and it didn't feel like with other people like Eden who actually read my posts. So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now | ||
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Artanis I think has a decent chance to flip mafia. He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet. Artanis might flip mafia. But Artanis did a lot more. I don't know if Artanis going after every target is town or scum. But I would lynch Artanis. This doesn't sound like a scumread at all. It's a plain "would lynch" with nullish points chained onto it. Can you point anyone to a reason you scumread him in the first place? | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:35 Toadesstern wrote: well and that is just that, slightly leaning mafia on d1. Read the actual reasoning you just quoted and tell me with a straight face that was a strong read I was really convinced in. It's a gutread and nothing else. Yes I'm willing to lynch into those d1 if they're up for lynch. No I'm not going to push them until they get stronger. Well of all the people you mentioned as gutreads I ended up being your favourite when I already had the most votes while everyone who was your strong read (and you included Artanis among your strong reads) became a secondary preference. When you mention Artanis you don't refer to the wall of text, you mention activity related reasons for being unsure about him that weren't even the main point of your case on him, here. In your case we find this: Feels like he's pushing me because he wants to push me rather than actually being convinced I'm mafia. But later you put him off the table for this: He has done a lot more though ever since he got some heat. Have not yet figured out if him going everywhere and voting whatever comes in front of his visor is particularly townish or scummy yet. | ||
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I don't read him by activity. You scumread him for his content and reconsidered on activity. And when I say you went for the low hanging fruit I mean that you displayed the mafia trait of talking about everyone that was a possible lynch even when they were just null reads. I don't see the point of talking about my null reads unless asked about it. The thing is: You came into the thread, checked the important wagons, and to fake scumhunt commented on each one of them, instead of commenting on things you really found important: Your scumreads. | ||
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So with that being said I'd be up for lynching Palmar / Artanis+Rayn / Vivax+LS right now. No SL and Dam in here. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:46 Vivax wrote: To Toad's defense, Palmar is "his" scumread, and on him I couldn't be this confident after what I've seen. Yup I forgot I corrected that out myself. You reference SL and Dam in your big post with the 25 pages ahead to either TR or null-read them. | ||
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On March 23 2015 04:12 Toadesstern wrote: we obviously lynch Rayn, the guy everyone considered to be confirmed mafia and only put into green because of the fake mason claim. Do you see evidence that he was bussing LS D1 and not scumreading him for honest reasons? | ||
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Read the game???? On March 22 2015 05:36 rsoultin wrote: rayn may be an exception but solely because it would look fucking odd for him to scream KILL TOAD KILL TOAD then hammer viva lol >< On March 22 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote: he could have just afk'd on toad and vivax would still die | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:37 Holyflare wrote: in fact i'm almost certain he'd rather do that as mafia Oh really? Guess it sucks when you don't read the game cause this is the post right after. | ||
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People who give a shit play the game, people who don't, don't. ExO thought he spotted a liar when he got back the result, so he claimed. There's nothing desperate about that play, it's just a guy who thinks he caught scum and then fucks up cause he didn't read his role properly. That's not a mistake likely to happen to mafia as then that claim should have led to somewhere for his team, and I don't believe an entire scum team to make the mistake of thinking town can have a rolecop. | ||
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On March 23 2015 04:29 Toadesstern wrote: that is nothing at all. He's just thinking things through for a second without comming to a conclusion. The last thing that he mentioned towards rayn that IS alignment indicative is: everything else after that is just talk about Artanis and how he's supposedly mafia for reading Rayn the wrong way, which does not say anything about him agreein with the conclusion, just that he disagrees with the way Artanis did it. So you're telling me that when rsoultin suggests scum rayn and HF replies "but he'd just let vivax die as mafia" that doesn't imply he's reading him as town? From what time is the super wary post? Pre- or post-bm-lynch? | ||
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Time for some EoD observations: On March 21 2015 05:09 rsoultin wrote: at least one of those are wrong xP and i strongly suspect two Super odd post. | ||
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On March 23 2015 05:10 Toadesstern wrote: say why. I have an idea what you're getting at but I want to hear it. Not just "super odd" Still here. For one I don't remember rsoultin agreeing on any of these reads during D1. I mostly remember her claiming to be unsure about me and rayn. Then it's a post from her biggest scumread at the time. Then she doesn't specify who rayn is right on and who not. So it leaves me with a lot of questions. | ||
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On March 23 2015 05:32 rsoultin wrote: viva, you do realize that list came out before rayn's claim? i had to check cause i couldn't really remember when that was :/ i'd been think ls was town most of the game -shrugs- that's the second i was talking about. pretty sure toad's claim hadn't come out yet either but i haven't verified that yet? Check it again, quite possible my memory failed me, but I was reading stuff from the time around the claims so I find it unlikely? Maybe I was reading backwards. As for Toad's question: I have no idea. Would be interesting to hear about it from rayn. | ||
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I'll reconsider him as scum if he's still alive the next day and based on the new input but all this claiming bullshit and the talk of it is getting on my nerves heavily. It's stuff that becomes clearer as the game moves on and dwelling on it when today's lynch is decided already is something I leave to sisyphus. | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm going to side with the counter claimer on this one. I don't see mafia toad going for the 1 for 1 here On March 21 2015 05:57 Fecalfeast wrote: ls is mafia with toad, the plan is they are going to get vivax lynched and when he flips vig play the "oh no there must be 2 vigs" game I don't see this making sense at the very least. "I'm going to side with Toad" "There can't be two vigs" "But ls mafia with Toad" | ||
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On March 23 2015 06:03 Toadesstern wrote: Oh. God damn it I should just ignore Vivax for the rest of the game, never answer him and read properly... he's making me not read by making me stick in here... The mind control, history repeats itself. | ||
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On March 23 2015 06:18 Toadesstern wrote: can we lynch rayn before LS so that Vivax shuts up about me pretty please? I think it's hilarious how mad you get whenever I scumread you, and then you try to constantly be a bully. On the other hand I'm townreading you for this as it's exactly the type of stuff I'd expect from you as town. | ||
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On March 23 2015 06:23 Toadesstern wrote: I just literally tossed my glasses on the ground unintentionally in anger when flailing around with my hands around my head. Out of all the things, that's what you townread me for? really? Of course. That's your trademark town play whenever I'm in a game. | ||
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On March 23 2015 06:42 Alakaslam wrote: Hello Stop posting, you're dead. | ||
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So Toad is pulling an all nighter? Well, SLEEPING WAS AMAZING I tell you. You're missing out on something Toady, and I'm not talking about my power rangers cushions. I'm dropping my vote and catching the train in 40 minutes cause I got stuff to do today. Will be back during the evening or maybe not, depending on what I do later on. More likely I'll just drive home tho. | ||
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 Don't tell me or you will get mail. Anyway gtg. | ||
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On March 23 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Poker is fun until you log a million hands, lose all patience and start tilting at regular intervals. I used to play online for like 2 months, winning my way into bigger tournaments by getting a good rank in smaller ones with low buy-in. Then once I played on the same table with a pro who worked for the casinos in a bigger tournament, and I went risky on him and he had aces on the first hand, and AK on the second and whatnot. He wrecked me so hard after i was in a good spot that I quit playing altogether :/ | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote: mig was actually some serious shit in poker too. Tell us more of ye old days. When everything was better. | ||
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Hey, you told me that if I knew you'd have to kill me. I feel really like an underdog now. | ||
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On March 24 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote: No if I talk too much about stuff not relevant to the game people will lynch me and I will have to spam again which always sucks. You sound like you have a stick up your bum which is usually mafia trait. Then again you were the only country who put bankers into jail post-2008. I'll take Artanis hug. | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:28 rsoultin wrote: ^^ i've got things and gems and joyfulness ^^ like seriously, things no one else has talked about >> << viva may even stop calling me an idiot! -sits on rayn's head- onegu says he has his soul read on you if i treat you as if i believe you're 100% town instead of just possibly town, will you talk to me? That's nice! I don't want to call you an idiot btw (don't think I ever did but it might have sounded like that and today I'm in a joyful mood so let that passssss) | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think Palmar is mafia with Toad and Toad is mafia so Palmar is probably town. Seriously, Toad is so scummy. Maybe but when I was receptive for that notion you were missing even though I summoned you,so I'm kinda pissed. Today I'm slightly on the sauce (thanks for teaching me something new VE) and tone wise you and Palmar sound a lot like you don't have fun solving this game :/ | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:55 rsoultin wrote: yeah i've come to the conclusion based on voting alone really lol that both Palmar and Onegu are not scum in this game which is nice i love clearing questionmarks ^^ But boting is be bing bich bakes bum book bike bown bery beasily. | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:26 Trfel wrote: I guess, I don't think that there is much to be gained from analyzing votes that occurred well before the deadline, when half the game hadn't voted at all yet. For example, raynpelikoneet added the third vote on LightningStrike, bringing LightningStrike into a 3-3-3 tie for first with sicklucker and Vivax. However, I don't think this clears raynpelikoneet, because there were about nine hours left in the day at this point, and the votes were very widely spread (such that the vote count was sure to change drastically). In the same way, I don't see Onegu voting for LightningStrike as saying much about Onegu, since while he did push LightningStrike into the voting lead, he did so with seven hours remaining, and the votes still very spread out and fluctuating. I think voting a partner into the lead is a fine play for scum to do here, as the risk is rather small. And I don't townread people who are staying out of the main wagons with several hours to go before the deadline. There is plenty of time for stuff to happen, plenty of time to save LightningStrike if things go bad. In fact, I think it makes sense for scum to push the counterwagon to LightningStrike with something more like three hours left to the deadline, and not earlier. Especially in a large game like this. And I don't see what the switch to Bill Murray provides, except those who switched to Bill Murray instead of the vigilante Vivax are more likely to be town (sorry Vivax!). But even that isn't confirmed, as scum was readily willing to roleblock Vivax, solving that problem. Palmar wasn't in a position to hammer Vivax, so I don't townread him for hammering Bill Murray instead. Same with raynpelikoneet. So I don't townread them for doing so. LightningStrike's vote even further cements Vivax as town. And that's the only thing I really see in the voting analysis at this time, unfortunately. What am I missing? However, this obviously ignores what players were actually doing in the thread, and is based on votes alone. Here's the mistake I made initally when my mind was clouded by emotions. Even though I'm town doesn't mean mafia didn't save me, they will just focus on the reads they gave previously as acting against them would make them look scummy. | ||
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On March 24 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Of course that does not make me or Palmar mafia if you are town. Why would anyone argue that? Rayn why are you TRing Palmar?I don't get it. I don't get anything of what he's doing and that ass play is the same play which made me lynch him in imperial. I think that if he actually rolled town in this game as well he's a shade of what he is capable of as he's probably the guy with most mafia experience in here and just doesn't give a fuck, but that's a reason in itself to remove him from the game on a rational basis as nobody can be able to read him correctly. The same reason I wanted Alakaslam dead. | ||
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On March 24 2015 03:15 Alakaslam wrote: But voting is the thing which makes bum look like town very easily. The bum is scum | ||
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On March 24 2015 03:57 rsoultin wrote: i'm not saying you don't? votes were shifting to you LS was the other leading wagon when vivax claimed there are reasons to fake-claim there as scum...or town really if you want to head off the lynch talk to me about something alignment indicative cause i don't want to argue with you about this as it won't get us anywhere xP I need to correct you as this is factually incorrect since I looked at the votecounts myself. Right after my claim 3 ppl piled on rayn. | ||
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On March 24 2015 04:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pro tip vivax: Mafia is: Lightningstrike - cop checked Toadesstern - terrible read with no substance Superbia - terrible read with no substance ExO - claims cop with rolecop result one of Artanis / rsoultin. - one of them is just dumb. 1. Not a sherlock holmes read D2. But you did read him like that D1. 2. Toad. Read him town on a whim cause he just talked about me like I'm used from town Toad = Top down. But just by D1 I found him scummy. 3. Low activity and his D1 post that made me scumread. Admittedly he doesn't deserve to be townread just for saving me but his play in Imperiale WAS different. Since I wouldn't expect him to play the same scumgame twice for obvious reasons he now remains null and I wouldn't oppose a lynch either. D2 activity extremely low etc. 4. This one doesn't sound like mafia at all for the claim. 5. Artanis still an option for me. Likely as more information becomes available I'll be able to decide but for now he seemed pretty cheerful and carefree. I'm susceptible to buddying tho, BUT HE TRIED TO KILL ME ( | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I refuse to believe Rayn's towngame is this bad, he pretty much has to be scum. Also Vivax please get out of la la land where after rolling scum 2 out of 3 times in my last 3 games I step up my activity as scum by over 100% of my best scumgame so far. It's starting to get annoying. Rayn can pretend because he's probably scum but you don't get that luxury. I'll get out of lala land if I see one of the guys saving my life on D1 flipping scum. So that's where I'd look to falsify my first impression that scum wouldn't keep a claimed vig alive. As I mentioned a Palmar lynch would suffice for that. Guy's the most underwhelming player in here. | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:30 Damdred wrote: I hate being ignored. The thread was so good and constructive before this afternoon. Don't forget never forget Dunno man if it's about the likelihood of two investigative roles you might have to get out the interpretation for yourself, but then it's also host wifom. | ||
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On March 24 2015 05:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's generally what people do when they claim scum. I'm actually not sure who did it first, was it Koshi? I think yamato in GoT mafia?That's the first time I remember seeing it and his posts were hilarious until I remembered we were on the same team. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote: Always tomorrow and never today with Palmar .I just read the end of that game, willing to give the poor Plammar some time, he must be really exhausted from all that winning. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote: tinfoil hat of the day. LS flips RB, Trfel used the orb on Vivax and blocked him and is actualy scum. genius | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:04 Palmar wrote: We got him guys! I'm really townie now for voting mafia, right? Confirmed town. | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:15 ExO_ wrote: What happened that ryan was replaced? I don't care if he doesn't come back I'm going to finland and making a toilet out of his sauna | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:25 ExO_ wrote: Whats the difference between mylo and lylo? In mylo you can no lynch. | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:28 ExO_ wrote: But in the mylo case won't it go 5 --> 4 then 4 --> 3? How would you lose in mylo with 4 town 1 scum? He said 4 people not 4 town People includes scum | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:52 Damdred wrote: Honestly if we want to go down the real wifom road. Rayn said he would afk every game he was mafia in... ?????? On March 24 2015 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: I so fucking deserved to win this game and you are all fucking bad. I quit mafia. On March 24 2015 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was not lying that was my last mafia game ever. | ||
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On March 24 2015 09:07 sicklucker wrote: opps wrong thread disregard that No. Prove that you were mafia in your last 5 ot 6 games or I lynch you. | ||
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And i want a nice story of what theyve been chatting about all this time on top of it, | ||
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On March 25 2015 00:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm open to Fecal potentially being scum. If I'm wrong on any of my near certain townreads it's him. "Fecal could be scum but I cba to say why and I don't bother finding out" On March 25 2015 00:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't actually have any conclusions from that but figured it might be useful to bring up when we're discussing him. "I posted some Wifom stuff from a flipped scum that doesn't tell me anything but I posted it anyway" | ||
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You're bloating that "contribution" for no reason other than that you're scum. | ||
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FF's tryhard case on LS after VE called him scum and LS wagon was picking up some steam is a scumtell. Artanis pretending to scumhunt in regards to FF is a scumtell. | ||
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On March 25 2015 02:01 Eden1892 wrote: I don't really agree with any of those three reads lol How is somebody posting off-topic stuff in the game after not being around for a while, promising to catch up and then not delivering townie? I think it doesn't mean anything for his alignment Also don't think FF's case on LS is suspicious unless it's about a bunch of shit that isn't true. Which reminds me I need to reread it to determine if it's about a bunch of shit that isn't true lol. My recollection is that it was a pretty solid case. And I feel like any substandard pushing it later is likely just to be non-alignment-indicative laziness, but that's obviously debatable. And I guess Artanis's post on FF is suspicious in isolation, but I really like his body of work so I don't really care :o That's why I realized LS is scum from one post on D1 and you didn't. A scum who comes back to the thread after a long posting pause is going to feel under pressure to deliver something that makes him look like he's doing something useful. | ||
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On March 25 2015 02:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually think it's a towntell for me because I'm aware as either alignment about how bad it looks in isolation. I just only care about that shit if I'm actually mafia. Basically Vivax reads me in the exact opposite way he should l0l You masqueraded that post as something useful, so this doesn't apply. Saying you're straight up lazy and won't bother is something different than presenting something that is useless for you, but saying that your post is useful for the convo. | ||
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On March 25 2015 02:09 Eden1892 wrote: Uh scuse me I knew something was off about him from his intro. Just didn't think it was enough to lynch him More importantly how is LS at all analogous here? Maybe Superbia felt pressured but didn't know what to say and just didn't say anything. Maybe he had a lot to catch up on. (He did.) There really is no reason to assume Superbia is town from that LS is analogous cause he tried to say more than he had to in that blob of a post I called him mafia for. Toad is probably town just based on that btw (LS felt compelled to be so posty in an answer to Toad), I just realized now. Maybe if he grows some skills he can catch Artanis and FF as well. | ||
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On March 25 2015 02:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd need to read their filters first. I've been mostly busy trying to make sure my townreads are solid and that everyone's on one line on them. I haven't gone into the filters of Palmar and Slam properly yet, but by PoE I'm fine with them. I've still got a townread on FF but it's the weakest of the 9 as I have mentioned. So if I start a wagon on Palmar or Slam you would be willing to join it or are you going to do your own thing? | ||
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On March 25 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd be fine with either at this point. I think I can narrow down my PoE list to 6 after Onegu claims and I make up my mind on FF, so carpet bombing into the rest would secure a victory either way. Fine with either isn't enough. I'm trying to get you committed as I will quote your answer before the night ends to not let you slip away from this. Will.You.Push.Palmar.Or.Slam? | ||
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And I don't wanna hear you waffle as town, you weren't waffling on my mislynch. | ||
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On March 25 2015 02:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm not going to commit to any push when I haven't read their filters. Stop being dumb Vivax. Sick excuse son | ||
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My prediction is that if Onegu finally hard claims he's going hard on superbia, keeps pushing the notion that Trfel hard bussed LS, or is going to keep picking on ritoky. Mark my words. | ||
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On March 25 2015 03:06 Fecalfeast wrote: If you guys are serious I can do filter diving or whatever and actually play. How is me making a case a scumtell, though? Why did you put all that gimmick on the LS case (youtub vid, strikethrough on his posts) but not on your rsolt case later in the day? Where are your TRs on D1? You pretty much stayed on the sidelines during the Toad/me stuff without giving a hard opinion on who you think is town, just half assed questions to other people why they believed one guy over the other etc. You said like you go for believing the CCer (Toad) and leave your vote on LS for the entire duration. You just look artificial son. | ||
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On March 25 2015 03:31 Fecalfeast wrote: idk if they aren't in my filter I'm not sure I can help you I left my vote on LS because I honestly wasn't reading at that point and made the general statement that I'm more likely to side with the counter-claimer in this situation In short for: "I didn't care who was getting lynched but keeping my vote on my scumbuddy made me feel safe anyway" | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays. On March 19 2015 23:01 Damdred wrote: Honestly the initial give I got from ls post was he was town. But yea I want his reads On March 19 2015 23:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hm I just went through LS' filter on JOAT and actually he did post a few consecutive posts. I guess what stuck to me was how he mentioned in the scumqt how hard it was to post and how the rest of the team had to really encourage him to post. I think the reactions to me calling him mafia holds some interesting reactions. | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:58 Palmar wrote: LS are you blue? And this. Artanis and Palmar stick out the most to me of the reactions. Damdred's answer is probably the most townie, not the way Artanis goes against my read and then double checks himself as a safety measure. | ||
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On March 25 2015 04:33 rsoultin wrote: like i think i buy the Artanis is just killing it as scum theory over FF making a case on a townie and pushing that case lol if it was just the LS case i could see it, but... FF making a case on a townie? What are you talking about? | ||
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Tbh people should be scumreading him just for the fact he makes cases. But I didn't mention that. Yet. Anyway FF is mafia, so is Artanis. If I'm alive tomorrow I'll keep trying to hammer this into your heads. | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:16 Eden1892 wrote: Vivax, why are you locking in on Fecalfeast as mafia here for his push on LightningStrike and not giving the same level of attention to Superbia's push? I think Superbia's push is clearly more suspicious out of the two. I understand you TR'd Superbia earlier for his off-topic posting when he returned to the thread, but I don't feel like it's terribly difficult to find similar examples for Fecalfeast, and so I'm not sure why you seem to be disregarding Superbia's push here... Expand on superbias push being suspicious? And what makes you TR FF at all? I don't understand why you get the feeling of having to side with FF here unless you got a damn good reason to TR him. Your whole argument is "why you scumreading FF but not superbia", it just sounds like whining. | ||
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On March 25 2015 04:52 ritoky wrote: if you're 4realz JK, which i don't have any reason to believe you're not. could you start playing like i did in mspaint instead of "letting other's solve the game for you"? It's called asking to be spoonfed the game. L2 be a dick. | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax isn't scum tho. He might be playing like scum and probably will side with scum but he can't be scum simply for his activity, that and the fact that he's playing standard town crazy conspiracy theory against the grain Vivax. Grain is and will always be dumb. | ||
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- Called scum -> Proceed to try your best to discredit the pursuers reads by calling him insane. - Called whatever -> Post how Trfel bussed LS, how ExO might not be Dt etc. etc. Objectively, the conspiracy theorist isn't me. | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And you're not getting lynched Dammy boy, don't worry. I will have none of it. The buddying is real | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:41 Damdred wrote: I know it might sound stupid but I am a probable mislynch at this point and my filter is much shorter th as n some. List me everyone who suggested lynching you tomorrow? THis is just nonsense. | ||
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Read this filter and tell me if it looks like the FF in this game. NOT AT ALL. The style, the tone, the posts are all completely different, which is what I refer to when I say that the town FF I know doesn't make cases. This is my most memorable example of a town FF cause I hated his style and was scumreading him for a while in that game, whereas in this game I get the feeling he's trying to play to a more popular standard to not get caught. On March 25 2015 05:45 Damdred wrote: These are just people casually sayinf why aren't we not looking at damdred, or I dislike damdred or ! candlelIght be Scum. Its just a observation at this point though It would help if you weren't the guy who made the case on the wagon scum was keen on joining on D1, including Artanis obv. At the very least I can call you baaaaaad, and bad players get the paranoia card, you have to deal with it. And anyway Artanis,FF, Slam are all higher on my list. | ||
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On March 25 2015 05:53 Damdred wrote: Vivax you weren't playing as town. You didn't act town until you got pinged put. It's why I hate people who play differently when they wore blue it's frustrating. I play like the town me especially when my jimmies get rustled, not based on my role. What did I do before you made your case? I openly claimed that I didn't want to bother with Slam's alignment on D1 (which you used against me in your awful case), I pinged LS as mafia, I called super mafia. Then suddenly, your case on me. LS, SL and Artanis, 3 votes each, vote me. And Artanis was scumreading you just moments before that happened. Speaking of SL, I need Eden to tell me why he's town. So far I was rather chill about him but I figure he's still possible mafia, in stead of 1 of Slam/Palmar who are the guys I'm most unsure of. | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:10 Alakaslam wrote: ...then lynch me? I like the automatic doors to sense when I walk up I meant, give me your vote. Be my sheep until the very end. Cause I'm rereading SL and read a post by Palmar and the new influx of information makes me want to replace SL with you. | ||
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On March 22 2015 00:05 sicklucker wrote: That team makes alot of sense acualy. For the most part. I mean its never completely right but 3 or 4 seem like a chance Ls is starting to look pretty terrible. rsoul is like 95% town. Still think toad claim makes no sense as mafia I'm pretty sure I posted this earlier and this post is TERRIBLE in the context of what SL was pushing during D1. | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:14 Alakaslam wrote: Hell, IDGAF imma put my vote where I please Which is where? | ||
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On March 25 2015 06:20 Damdred wrote: Who is against a ritoky/Rayn lynch and for what reason He was my bro while you were the ho | ||
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On March 25 2015 07:59 Toadesstern wrote: Is this where I claim Onegu mason partner as well as being Vig and 3rd party eternal dragon slumbering in the dephts of some ancient mountain? 9999 dude. Go make the 10 k post while I lynch Artanis. | ||
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I think there's something wrong with your reads and something incredibly right with mine. | ||
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On March 25 2015 02:16 Vivax wrote: So if I start a wagon on Palmar or Slam you would be willing to join it or are you going to do your own thing? EZPZ newbs | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I'm double confirmed town by Palmar's interactions with me. ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2698152/just-as-planned-o.gif) | ||
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On March 25 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote: Can I be confirmed town because I told orb user to shoot Palmar. I feel like vivax I have a theory brewing Go for it if it involves scumtanis. | ||
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On March 25 2015 09:19 Damdred wrote: Vivax do you think Scum would rb you from killing Scum slam? How did LS and Palmar interact with slam? Palmar didn't read slam at all from what I saw ona quick review, however he handed out TRs to Artanis and LS and his choir was to kill rayn and Toad during D1. | ||
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Pros: - Super low activity but it's Onegu. Not much of a pro. - Fakeclaiming isn't cool for that long as it gives a feel of being deceited hard Cons: - Artanis is pushing for his lynch - Scum killed HF blowing up Onegu's cover when an alive HF would have at least kept up the impression Cont. with Slam | ||
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- I got RBd when vocal townies were advocating a shot on him - Keeping him around with his playstyle offends basic mafia logic - He didn't pledge allegiance to town (me). In the times of my ancestors this would deserve burning at the stake. For their honor I demand same treatment. Cons: -??? | ||
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On March 25 2015 11:06 Superbia wrote: Here's where I'm at with Onegu's alignment. I feel like it is somewhat tied with ex-rayn, neo-ritoky. Let's imagine two scenarios, both involving rayn's fakeclaim at EoD1: Scenario 1: Rayn is Town Scenario 2: Rayn is Mafia In scenario 1, scum is likely to have their towniest members carry KP in order to avoid the tracker. Who is unlikely to get tracked if he were mafia? Onegu. The caveat is that Onegu is also in the range of getting either medic saved (mafia don't care about this) or roleblocked (this is a bit risky), see scenario 2. In scenario 2, scum knows there was no CC on the fake tracker claim and as such, there is likely no tracker. As such, having Onegu carry the KP becomes somewhat more risky, because he is in the range of a roleblocker. There is no reason for scum to have him carry the KP. Sound logic right here guys. We have to kill Slam today. | ||
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It's not dude. You are on a good way to join #teamVivax and leave behind the false prophet that is Artanis. | ||
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On March 26 2015 00:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if anyone wants to convince me of a town or scum slam that'd be great because I have no idea. I'm sorta scumreading him through PoE, and the fact that Palmar derailed a Slam discussion onto Damdred early in his filter. The fact he did this and nobody still is 100 % sure on him being scum simply cause he's slam is a good enough reason. The only downside is that Trfel townreads him and I do respect his opinion. But Trfel also thinks policy lynching is shit, on which I disagree. _____________________________________ On another topic, rereading D1 I just realized how stretched Artanis scumread on Toad was (P69), and how Artanis got owned in the debate with him. The scumread literally was because of Toad switching between Palmar and SL and back. At that moment you clearly see Artanis getting into the trouble of forming scumreads. VE and Toad both start pushing him, and then Artanis counter votes VE (P77). Meanwhile FF's wall of text on LS goes uncommented by Palmar on P67. Artanis comments this: On March 20 2015 05:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fecal how much have you played with LS before? FF replies re On March 20 2015 06:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And you still strongly feel that LS has been acting anomalous for his town game? I find it really hard to tell tbh because his playstyle is so weird. Also opinions on VE please. re On March 20 2015 06:23 Fecalfeast wrote: I kinda liked how he looked at me TBH I wasn't doing anything. Other than that I can see your points I guess.. Make VE a null for me for now. I can't really make up my mind Observation: FF doesn't even answer Artanis question on LS, he just gives a read on VE. Artanis doesn't get back to this, telling me that the LS thingy wasn't as important to these guys as their posts suggests, at the very least they tried to make it look improtant but Artanis made the mistake of not demanding more from FF, and FF did the same mistake. I think this is scum-scum. For comparison, here is what happened when I posted my read on LS, spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2015 22:56 Damdred wrote: Ls what are your current reads On March 19 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays. On March 19 2015 22:57 LightningStrike wrote: How is that post so mafia yet I'm Town? On March 19 2015 22:58 Palmar wrote: LS are you blue? On March 19 2015 22:58 Vivax wrote: And he's not straight to the point and logorrhoic as town as well? There's so many parts in that post that make me wonder "why would you post this as town". On March 19 2015 22:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: LS reasons almost purely from meta, patterns and all that. I've observed him play mafia in JOAT and he had massive problems posting there. The fact that he posted a lot in a row yesterday night almost confirms him as town alone. As you see the tone and the intention between me and FF' provoked replies is entirely different. Artanis goes against me with a strong opinion about LS, LS himself On March 20 2015 05:29 LightningStrike wrote: Ugh I been told by Palmar and others to not use meta on people on games I didn't play in (or involved) and trying to do that less tbh. I also been told by others to not just link people games as most people wont click on the links tbh (HTS and Breshke told me that after Horns) and trying to be better on that T_T. I also had asked for HF to give me example posts for comparison from Rayn's past games as Mafia and compared them to this game but he failed to deliver that part but I still waiting on that but I still had listed my reasons for potentially scumreading Rayn this game in my filter. replies to me with "ugh but I'm town" whereas to FF the reply is way more FF-case-Oriented. So, I read these guys as being way less defensive towards each other than they were towards my case. It's more like they feel compelled to talk to each other about something to create some interactions for D1 which is a task for scum. | ||
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And you still strongly feel that LS has been acting anomalous for his town game? I find it really hard to tell tbh because his playstyle is so weird. For emphasis, FF let this question from Artanis simply SLIDE after posting such a massive case on LS. At the very least it's evidence that FF is scum, but I think Artanis is also scum. This is possibly one of the best examples I could find for a discrepancy between reads and behaviour. This is like an invitation to FF to at least reemphasize points of his case which every townie would be happy of doing and yet he does none of that and just talks about VE. | ||
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On March 26 2015 00:48 Eden1892 wrote: tbh I could see FF being mafia by way of his case being tmi. but I guess I'd have to actually read it all the way through instead of skimming excerpts, deciding I liked the points being made and moving on to something else I think the fact he answers to Artanis about VE but not his own case is telling on its own. After I write such a massive thing I see no reason not to talk about it and instead put my emphasis on VE whom I'm not reading either way. | ||
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On March 26 2015 01:41 Trfel wrote: I looked at what Alakaslam said once he came back. Unfortunately, I was gone by that point, so I couldn't interact with him. But I actually put him at a town lead at this point. His play is just so markedly different from his scum play last game. If Alakaslam is lynched, it should be due to interactions with flipped mafia. Not just that. Alone the fact they RBd one of the vigs shows a dhttp://derstandard.at/egree of expectation that it could hit one of them. It's speculative but the other only reason I see is that they hoped it would get the RB claimant lynched, which wasn't really in question given that almost everyone TRd me based on the happenings of N1. Anyway once Slam is out of the game we are left with a pool of people who are all readable and less controversial. It's good play trust me, might actually be one of the few times where I see a town managing to plynch a guy, which is underrated. No offense to Slam but your unique style allows you to do whatever the hell you want as town AND as mafia, and hence you have to go today. | ||
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I'm more interested into hearing from Artanis how the world has gone insane cause so many consider him to be scum when the only argument I've ever heard for him being town is fluid reads (I disagree, see when he sheeps Damdred's case) and activity (Lol imperial, bitch pls). Okay, that was not really what I'm interested in. But the FF + him stuff I brought up interests me waaaaay more and following the convos I didn't see him comment on it. Obviously he's going to deny the FF + him interaction being scum scum but he can't unsee the FF argument as a standalone. | ||
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On March 26 2015 05:32 Eden1892 wrote: ...which questions...????? the only question you asked me is what i think of you calling me scum which is that i don't give a fuck and "snidely"? what? i've been coloring you red since around d2 when you entered my poe pile it's for the same things as i've said before but i think the whole "i would ask my teammates for help" thing made sense Lol how? Scum tends to overestimate town cred and is usually quite willing to bus. When they get Palmar on their team his first lines in the qt will be "Ok guys, let's ahrd defend each other" unless he thinks the game is lost form the start. I can provide examples from Titanic where I was scum with him. Point being: It's hard to not be right when you're scum. It's much more attractive to try nd be in a spot where you seem to be right most of the time. Alakaslam for me is excempt from this reasoning as the time I witnessed his scum play (on an OMGUS game where he mislynched me) he would simply pile up on mislynches. He doesn't really give a fuck this game unless people call him scum, he went apeshit when HF called him scum and he goes apeshit when we want to lynch him, otherwise not much to see here. Literally no logical reason to have him in this game. | ||
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On March 26 2015 05:55 sicklucker wrote: Who thought rayn was town? Because I did Me too. Being honest here: mostly cause he sided with me when no one else did. Even scum Palmar needed convincing on this part. He was willing to lynch me in spite of his toad scumread before other people talked him into switching to BM. | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:05 Eden1892 wrote: Why doesn't anybody want to lynch Fecalfeast? Same for Slam? People still sitting on onegu for the most part. Did you decide to TR slam? I'm 100 % sure you would regret it at lylo to leave him alive, whereas you could lynch FF without batting an eyelid. Keep it rational without pretendin to think you can read slam either way. The road to victory is paved with incognito-free slabs. | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:10 Fecalfeast wrote: (because he's town) Then do stuff? The "i'm town" shit is something LS was able of doing too. | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:27 Eden1892 wrote: For now. Maybe I would regret it, but I'll frankly be shocked if I made it to LYLO to make that decision. We've got 3 ml's to give so even if both vigs get shot before me and we whiff on all 3 lynches, it won't be my call. For now I think Slam has a lower probability of flipping scum than Fecalfeast. That's all I care about right now. According to your former reasoning they have equal chance. Why has Slam lower prob now? | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote: Vivax, what is more rational about lynching someone I think is town but can't read over someone I think is mafia and can read? (Presuming I can't read Slam) If you think you can't read him you can't think he's town? At the very least you should assume that you aren't able to think he is either? | ||
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But since it's a meta reason it still doesn't allow me to read Slam properly. But it allows me an insight into scum motives. Objectively the only other possible reason is that scum hoped my RB would put suspicion on me, but then only Toad attempted to push that notion Start of D2 and nobody else tried to reinforce it. Objectively the only other possible reason is that I'm scum and fakeclaimed vig and fakeclaimed a RB? Objectively the other possible reason is that they didn't know who else to RB anyway? | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:38 Eden1892 wrote: This is so confusing Vivax. Do you not think FF is mafia? The core idea here was yours for goodness' sake. But now that I'm actually down to pursue it you're wanting to lynch someone because they're hard to read and you don't want them in LYLO? Why not just avoid ever getting to LYLO by lynching mafia? I do think FF is mafia but my current PoE also says Slam is mafia and I want to lynch Slam first cause I wanted to get rid of him N1 and to get rid of this fucking discussion that makes me starkraving mad whenever I want to lynch players like him. The grush57's, Chezinus and Slams of this world. I want a troll genocide on this forum so I can win games by reading people who allow themselves to be read, instead of keeping them around as an asset to mafia. | ||
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On March 26 2015 07:45 Eden1892 wrote: If it makes you feel better we can still hit Slam with the orb I could say the same about FF. There is really no rational basis for you to spare slam on this day except your ego, which is the ego that makes policy lynches impossible in the games in which they are really needed. It's not even that much of a policy lynch for me. I can think of some reasons for slam being scum I already have mentioned. But it's in the nature of the troll to be able to hide himself behind the argument that his lynch is "just a policy lynch", diffaming everyone pushing for him. They are a massive annoyance to this game and people will invent all sort of stupid reasons to let them live until they reach the point where ONE lynch decides the outcome of the game, and mafia as well as town can go like "Well up until this point I've TR'd everyone else so let's lynch this guy nobody ever bothered with cause I've run out of options". Get rid of Slam now and you will at the very least know where everybody really stands if we ever reach a lylo situation. Cause town will have to find scum in their townreads and scum will have to make up scumreads from their townreads. | ||
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But Slam is neither. Slam is Chupazi, Bamci and whatever else but whether he's town or scum is like believing in horoscopes, I don't give a shit about what you think of him, I want SCIENCE here ![[image loading]](http://img.pandawhale.com/37126-yeah-science-gif-hNTV.gif) .He can do whatever the fuck he wants as either alignment so let's just shoot him to the moon and live happy in the knowledge that 2 -3 scum are actually people playing the game like it's supposed to. Cause only a standard dictated by a majority of townies allows us to find scum, like you need textbooks made by a democracy to define what's a criminal. Slam is the anarchic scum. | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:15 Damdred wrote: btw I think its really depressing and stupid you guys are basically discussing POLICY lynching people after we killed two mafia instead of diving into their filters and looking for connections or weird interacitons between them. Everyone really needs to read breshke filter and stop being lazy and give opinions, instead of talking abou tpolicy lynching slam/oneg at this point. See this is the common mistake everyone makes. POLICY LYNCHING IS BAD. NO ITS NOT. Cause you can call policy lynching shit at any stage of the game no matter what your alignment is or the aligment of the person in question and it's like being Galileo facing the ignorant "The earth is flat"-opinion-pushers from the catholic church when he argues why the earth is round and instead of arguing about the shape of the earth the priests just go full chimpanzee and say "no the earth is flat, here let me flog you a bit for this bullshit" POLICY LYNCHING. DO IT. | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:16 Damdred wrote: I mean this is all fine and good if we lynch slam tomorrow but at least make today meaningful and try to talk about othe rpeople while you are at it for gods sake. If you're fine with lynching Slam tomorrow then you should also be fine with it today cause I don't see any reason for your opinion changing on "policy lynching is shit". | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:26 Damdred wrote: Literally you are arguing that we should policy lynch someone because you can't read them in lylo. Not because you think they are mafia per se.... Literally you believe the earth is round because you don't believe in god, not because you are capable of foreseeing a tough situation. *flogs Damdred* | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:31 Fecalfeast wrote: Well, eden could start figuring out what went wrong in his analysis of me before I flip town so that there's more to work with afterward. Actually it'd be really cool if I could help with that! Who would be your top suspects if I flipped town eden? I looked at breshke. I want to call him scum for not hardly interacting with LS or palmar, as well as for using the nightkill wifom to implicate me. I don't want to call him scum because he had palmar as scummy and because his tone feels more like a town who is busy to me. Before I flip town bsbsbs If I flipped town bsbsbs Why do you base all your premises on your flip when the votecount suggests something else is going to happen? Where's the confidence? | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:39 Breshke wrote: This was me forgetting that if onegu is mafia its possible rso blocked kp that he was delivering. I don't think we should talk about who should be orb'd because there is probably a framer Framer doesn't influence rolechecks. But given that 2 goons already flipped any orbed guy is likely to come back a mafia role, unless it's Ronan I think, need to reread but he's immune to a bunch of a stuff. | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh ok, in that case who would be your most likely suspect in the event I flipped town? This way I can both be useful to town and try to prove my innocence at the same time! In the event you flipped town you could prove your innocence yes. Flip for me then. | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:48 Trfel wrote: Vivax, just because you have no idea how to read Alakaslam doesn't meant that no one does. Ritoky and rsoultin are reasonably good at it, I don't think I'm terrible at it. I want to lynch mafia, and Alakaslam seems like a slight town lean. Thus, I don't want to lynch him. Okay, and now that you've joined the choir of naysayers, what do you suggest? | ||
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On March 26 2015 08:52 Fecalfeast wrote: You weren't supposed to... what? I was just making sure that your whole list doesn't change. This sounds like FF expected my pool of suspects to change in light of his hypothetical town flip (implying he was probing if I was scum), but then actually answers to Eden (probing if he's scum too?) | ||
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On March 26 2015 14:37 Toadesstern wrote: I'm pretty sure mafia is working on wifom at this time... with how Vivax went after me, with how people are going after Arty right now it seems like mafia is banking on that later on. I agree Vivax is 99% likely to be town at this point and he's not doing it on purpose but that seems to be the strategy for mafia here. Maybe get 1 ML out of that list of 5, make people paranoid. Get a mafia lynched next day and maybe the 2nd ML after that and suddenly we have weird theories floating all around about how Artanis/damd have to be mafia and it gets scary. Only one I can think of is super? I think Trfel also mentioned Artanis, besides, arguments have been presented so it's not just paranoia. I feel like Artanis was pretty much in line with scum agenda whenever I scumread a scum, he'd either waffle on it or have another opinion (See his LS read against mine and how it changes when he talks with FF about it or when I bring up Palmar at night). Be back later. | ||
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On March 26 2015 20:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I like Eden's list. I kinda wanna lynch Superbia first and hope he's scum just to force Vivax to shut up, though he'd probably find some theory in which it's a bus. Lol I find it hilarious how much I annoy you. Why don't you help me lynching Slam? Asking to use the orb on him can be said for any other guy who's in the crossfire and won't get lynched today, which is why Damdred's argument was weird. | ||
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Zero. It's 100 % WIFOM and should be treated as nothing. Artanis if you want a slam lynch I'm on the boat. So at least my extensive speech about lynching him wasn't in vain. | ||
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On March 27 2015 01:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Are you sure you want to start a wagon with your scumread? 100 %. | ||
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On March 27 2015 02:32 Toadesstern wrote: so you knew from the start that Rayn was fakeclaiming, as a result claimed mason buddy with rayn because you thought he'd go along. Then faked your read on him as well as your mafia read on me based on "Rayn is telling the truth, so you or Vivax have to be fakeclaiming" ? Am I understanding this correctly? Wait what. Did Onegu base his reads on us on the premise that he and rayn are masons? | ||
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On March 27 2015 03:12 Toadesstern wrote: are you drunk Vivax? Quite but point is that I want Artanis to push for his lynch not just say "meh I'll vote Slam" and then watch as people do other stuff. Like I wanted that guy dead N1 and not just cause people threatened to lynch me if I didn't shoot him and I want to go into the grave knowing I exhausted that possibility when scum couldn't interfere. | ||
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On March 27 2015 03:19 Fecalfeast wrote: See I want to vote slam to make the people on slam similarly awful but I don't think slam is mafia It's ok cause if he doesn't get lynched you do. Prepare for me being exceptionally tryhard to get one of you two lynched over Onegu if this situation doesn't chance until 2 hours before EoD. You don't have the power, stamina and intellect to debate me without running away from the discussion with the tail between your legs. Yes I'm being cocky. | ||
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On March 27 2015 03:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm too busy losing money, call me town and I may reconsider. ... Your argumentation is fluid reads and activity and whatnot, but apparently you don't care enough to get your preference lynched???? | ||
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On March 27 2015 03:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I actually want to lynch FF now for either being mafia or playing against his win condition by trying to lynch obvtown. Today is the bus day it seems | ||
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On March 27 2015 04:00 Damdred wrote: Also just so everyone is clear in titanic palmar had me pegged as scum or near scum until I did things so he could town read me. The approach he uses with rayn looks similar Sounds totally like Artanis on D1 | ||
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On March 20 2015 22:04 Vivax wrote: Tell me more, if he's mafia it's because of which posts? On March 20 2015 22:15 Damdred wrote: If hes mafia its because hes more lazy than usual and not digging himself rather than those list posts that he does. Guess I'm removing Damdred from my town list. | ||
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On March 27 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote: Actually no, your trying to write a narrative instead of understanding you looked scummy as hell early shrug What does that have to do with you telling me "if ls is scum not for those reasons". No opinion given until I ask you about it and then you actually mention reasons for him being scum but don't let them flow into your reasoning ever after? | ||
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On March 27 2015 04:19 ritoky wrote: sorry, wife's bday yesterday; catching up on a lot now You're the guy I was just looking for. Aren't you suspicious of Damdred? Now is the time for a good case. | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:37 Superbia wrote: Like I'm not even going to lie, I don't want to live to tomorrow. I have 0 faith in the current leadership and the current townies to pick the correct lynch. Lynch me and hf. I toneread you town and made my cases on others. If you flip town I'm literally stopping to play besides the bare minimum cause obviously people are idiots if they think they can make better reads than me this game. Not always, but this game. I can totally see why rayn was so frustrated now. I'm in the same spot with the exception that I'm not being scumread except by Dam FF Slam or something like that, 2 - 3 of them are scum and all 3 are scum if for some reason I decide to drop my paranoia on Artanis. | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:59 sicklucker wrote: When I caught super as mafia the one time he didnt try this hard. + some weird logic I forgot that says mafia would prop rb me if super was mafia. So ill be voting for the other wagon Who? Onegu lol? | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote: Let's hit slam WIth a lynch? Just waiting for you guys. | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Careful, you're fulfilling the Vivax prophecy laid onto me from before. Huh | ||
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On March 27 2015 08:23 Trfel wrote: Vivax, please don't eat me alive for saying this.... People are stupid. And they don't always agree. But that doesn't mean that emphatically insisting that they are stupid will solve the problem, as stupidity is extremely hard to fix (I know this from personal experience). I think that town would benefit if you toned it down a little bit. I also note that Fecalfeast was roleblocked by rsoultin. This means that Fecalfeast wasn't carrying KP. With two KP and four scum left, Fecalfeast would be a pretty good choice to carry KP. And this is a fair argument in his favor. wut??? | ||
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On March 27 2015 08:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Except then I realize you're probably just going to rescind it the next day anyway. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/bqr3eDe.gif) Nah man, you insta pinging Super for the TMI stuff just looked really townie with that background reasoning. It made me really feel how you are monitoring him closely. | ||
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On March 27 2015 08:53 Trfel wrote: Also, sorry about the roleblock confusion. You guys are correct. What's the mistake you made? | ||
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On March 27 2015 08:57 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin's jailkeep on Fecalfeast doesn't prevent Fecalfeast from carrying KP. I thought that it did. Scum KP as follows: Days 1 and 2: 2 KP Day 3 and after: 1 KP Delivered by individuals, and subject to RB/track rules. | ||
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7 3 5 3 - > mylo, no lynch pls 4 3 Still 2 mislynches and 1 no lynch left so it isn't looking bad at all, just try to keep the activity up when the pacemaker townies get NKd and scum should start losing stamina, besides they will have inreasing trouble keeping their story consistent with earlier posts, so try to bank on that. | ||
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On March 27 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote: What about town losing stamina? That's the nice thing about this game. Scum gets bored with information they had from the start with nothing new showing up in the course of the game while town gets increasingly more information to work with, which is a motivator. | ||
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On March 27 2015 09:47 Trfel wrote: Well hm, you're wrong on two points. It's currently 9 vs 3. But it's night. 8 vs 3 6 vs 3 4 vs 3 So don't hit MYLO, and can't no lynch. However, no lynching is disallowed anyway. No, one NK one mislynch, town goes from 9 to 7. One NK one mislynch. Town goes from 7 to 5 Etc. | ||
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On March 27 2015 09:48 Trfel wrote: Vivax, what do you think of my voting analysis? I think it indicates that LightningStrike wasn't bussed, and therefore Fecalfeast was town. It also makes no sense that scum would decide to bus LightningStrike and then retract the bus after the claimfest (unless you think that I am scum). Or are you saying that the LightningStrike case wasn't a bus, but just a fake push? I'd much rather see something convincing about who is scum rather than arguing with you if I should unscumread FF: | ||
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On March 27 2015 09:51 Trfel wrote: It's currently 9 vs 3. One night kill, and one mislynch, so 7 vs 3. One night kill, and one mislynch, so 5 vs 3. Then if we no lynch (which isn't even allowed), it would be 4 vs 3, and the night kill makes it 3 vs 3, and we lose. Didn't know no lynch wasn't allowed, that sucks. It also means that the orb is even welcome if it hits a townie with KP. | ||
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On March 27 2015 09:51 Trfel wrote: It's currently 9 vs 3. One night kill, and one mislynch, so 7 vs 3. One night kill, and one mislynch, so 5 vs 3. Then if we no lynch (which isn't even allowed), it would be 4 vs 3, and the night kill makes it 3 vs 3, and we lose. Ah right made a thinking mistake on the last part :<. Anyway I'd like to see some good cases on people today. I'll be in a more sheepy mood tomorrow given that I don't go nuts on Slam. | ||
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On March 27 2015 21:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why Breshke, Vivax? He's very unopinionated in what he writes and his latest questions don't really reflect what he wanted to achieve in his latest bigger writeup, if I read quickly through his latest questions they seem completely random and lack a direction. He asks a lot of random stuff to random people, plus yesterday I made the realization how much he has been in the background for me, and how small his filter is and how his activity only peaks at key timings. | ||
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Same for Breshke. Regardless of meta I had the impression on today's reread that any answers to his questions didn't flow into the reasoning of his bigger posts. Plus I already found his timing of posting weird after N1 cause I don't remember him saying anything during the night (he might have but i dont remember it) but right after the night phase he was very posty in the thread. | ||
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On March 28 2015 05:29 Fecalfeast wrote: thanks for hiding the orb for me guys. I'm orbing vivax So even if I'm hypothetically scum my team would know I shouldn't be carrying KP. GJ, try again. | ||
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On March 30 2015 00:38 Damdred wrote: I want to lynch ritoky or bresh today Just finished reading breshkes newest posts. I wanna lynch him. | ||
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On March 30 2015 01:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Damdred, Vivax, can you guys give a bit more input on what you thought of Superbia and Ritoky and their interactions yesterday? I already know who I want to lynch and don't plan on giving any more input. I discussed this game extensively and besides looking at what Breshke has posted I don't expect anything to change the opinion I already had. If you guys think lynching super is the best play,which most do, then do it. I already posted who I think is scum: Breshke,FF. These guys are the ones I wanna lynch first cause I'm confident on them, whereas I need more info before guessing who the third could be as I was rolling with the rest being townie so far. | ||
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On March 30 2015 04:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What I mean is. Ritoky and Superbia talked a bunch yesterday. Did you see anything interesting in there that changed your opinion on either of them? Dunno what's the point of asking if you didn't see anything? Feels like an empty question since you don't have an own answer. | ||
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Now actually reading what super wrote like 20 minutes before ritoky replied. I'ma just do this: Ritoky, I don't even know where he's at, to be honest. His opinion seems uninformed, and I don't think a town would be comfortable lynching someone who they have been unable to form a proper opinion about. Moreover, the rayn slot seems incredibly fishy. I scum-read rayn before the claim (iirc), and I don't understand the rescind off the PR, nor why scum seemingly did not put an RB or a KP on him (more on this later). I can see why rayn would fake claim in that scenario as town, as he had been tired of people not listening to him in previous games, and he may be uninterested in defending himself, but it's so bad as town, because it can bait out a CC. Furthermore, I don't think he used his position of temporary confirmed town to push anything (again, iirc). The fact that this fake-claim has (seemingly, and iirc, I haven't actually read the majority of d2, tbh) not been fully explored yet is alarming to say the least. So yeah this is a pretty bad read from super. I colored the nullish, the scummish and the townish stuff he says. He effectively invalidates the only reasoning he uses is the tracker claim and no mention of what made him scumread rayn before the claim. Next post is also weird: This world only makes sense if Vivax is actually mafia, and scum were looking to confirm Vivax by foregoing the roleblock and claiming it on Vivax OR if Onegu was carrying the KP that was going on rayn. This is still rather speculative, but I think this is a good reason to lynch Ritoky (ex-rayn) today. Why is it a good reason to lynch ritoky if super thinks that Onegu was carrying KP and that I'm not mafia? He might as well just conclude that Onegu is mafia, so meh, can't get behind his logic as a reason to scumread ritoky. | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:15 ritoky wrote: I am wrong and damdred is like 93% town would be my conclusion. You got no reasons for a standalone damdred scumread? | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:26 ritoky wrote: I am trying to think in terms of teams at this point. The onegu + damdred scum read actually comes almost entirely from damdred's play. The only really excessively scum thing from onegu is his claim stuff. I just think them ignoring eachother links them super hard. So I guess my answer is yes, a lot of standalone damdred reasons, and I am associatively reading Onegu scum for it; but I kinda think they have to be a team. What makes you want to lynch Onegu first if Damdred is in your opinion scummy on his own? That makes everything sound like bs. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If someone wants to start a Breshke wagon I'm all cool with that though, it could give us a lot more information. I'm in a dota game but ill switch to make a start | ||
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On March 27 2015 11:57 Eden1892 wrote: Oh, orb targets. Now that we lynched Slam... Kinda want to hit from among the following: Superbia ritoky Fecalfeast Breshke I'm fine with all the lynches today. But checking in and seeing a FF lynch without my influence made me really paranoid about this. | ||
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On March 30 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote: Hopefully later tonight I will get a chance to go through and see if my suspicions about ritoky are correct. Right now, I'm thinking of ritoky or Breshke being top lynches for tomorrow. I think we still have one more mislynch, is this correct? Yeah but tone wise I think ritoky is town even though I found his preference of Onegu over damdred strange. Breshke on the other hand... Actually there is need to panic as I think we're gonna lose this game. Too many needless claims at the beginning of the game. | ||
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On March 30 2015 08:24 Damdred wrote: Breshke are you blue? This gave me the flashbacks. + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2015 22:58 Palmar wrote: LS are you blue? + Show Spoiler + On March 19 2015 09:04 Palmar wrote: Damdred are we lovers? | ||
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On March 20 2015 14:37 Breshke wrote: Am i terrible or mafia? Also I still don't really understand how to read LS. I agree with rso? that his list posts thought dump kinda thing is a town tell for him so wouldn't lynch him today but I wouldn't call him town | ||
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On March 21 2015 07:00 Breshke wrote: I think masons should probably hardclaim now because its just going to be a headfuck later. I also feel like onegu was never being serious On March 22 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote: So if onegu and rayn arnt mason they are mafia. This means that rso did not get a save. This means it is very likely toad is mafia because either mafia double stacked HF when there was no reason too. Or mafia also shot VE. I still haven't read a lot of what happend in the night and probs wont get to but I cant think why mafia would do that other than his PR claim Also a chance mafia hit a vet but idk how likely that is Another point, why did he start to believe 1gus mason claim after the night ended when D1 he didn't think it was serious? | ||
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On March 31 2015 03:26 sicklucker wrote: Fine but mafia do a thing called pocketing towns. Artanis knows all about that. If onegu didnt say what he said he would be claiming mafia to me anyway That's all you have to say to mafia breshke? | ||
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On March 31 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Anyone else around? I have a cunning plan.. I need somebody to carry my legacy for the worst case. My cunning plan is to convince anyone who needs convincing that bresh is tomorrows lynch. | ||
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On March 31 2015 09:25 Trfel wrote: Says the person who already blamed our power roles for the loss. Sorry, I couldn't help it Rso and ExO weren't about to get lynched, so the claims were freekills for scum. I'm not even being mean I'm being realistic. | ||
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On April 01 2015 04:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh, secondly, let's vote for 24h days going from here because I don't think much is going to happen in the meantime. 2 days ago I suggested this. Not suggesting it now since today we have to hit scum. RItoky is in your PoE? I have reread rayn for the most part. | ||
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We ML it's 5 3 next day. Am I reading this right? We still have a mislynch after this? | ||
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On April 02 2015 03:15 Fecalfeast wrote: ritoky being mia is unsettling. I'm not sure I like the breshke wagon though. Leaving my vote for now. I'll be here before deadline You kidding?Everyone on that wagon has the best chances of being town. | ||
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On April 02 2015 04:19 Damdred wrote: Lynchbritokybfor great justice, please trust me at this juncture when he flips scum I'll explain all! Explain it before that usually is more convincing. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480042-tl-mafia-lxx-guardians-of-the-galaxy?page=90#1782 and tell me you aren't super waffly on Palmar. You put him into scum lean, then say you agree with toad that what he does is scummy and in the same post say that it doesn't say anything about palmar's alignment, only Toads. | ||
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On April 02 2015 06:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I kinda wanna lynch FF over Breshke since Breshke actually seems to want to do stuff and I have not seen that inclination from FF. I got the feeling he's doing waaaaay more now than what he was doing on his own when he wasn't under suspicion. Would have to weigh his activity by day to be sure. | ||
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On April 02 2015 06:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't think that's necessarily alignment indicative though. Superbia was p much the same and he flipped town. I disagree, he wasn't. | ||
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On April 02 2015 06:39 Breshke wrote: I realised how dumb his claim would have been as scum. If he was a actual mafia role cop he couldn't have got that check on rso or even if he was fake cop claiming roles why would he say that she was VT. Iirc once i got past the intial wtf stage it was more obvious that exo was not fake claiming. Do you think Toad could be mafia? | ||
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On April 02 2015 06:48 Breshke wrote: There isn't a reason. I was jsut paranoid of him because N1 could easily be no kp missing and mafia jsut counted on there being a saving role. I don't care about this though because if he is im not going to help lynching him since i can hardly convince people on ff or ritoky so i havnt looked into this at all So the fact you've been TRing him throughout the game doesn't count? I spotted something about Toad that gave me questions. | ||
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Cause I can't behind Toad unscumreading Palmar after he switched to BM. He said it's cause "his theory doesn't work anymore" (in which Palmar saved a mafia Vivax), but that theory is entirely disconnected from the previous reasons for scumreading him. | ||
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On March 22 2015 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad was suspicious of Palmar hard all day yesterday and then in the end all he did was scream about lynching Vivax. Even while a wagon built on someone that wasn't either one of them, he screamed about Vivax instead of Palmar. I think he bussed Palmar earlier on in the day and then saw an opportunity to back off it. Time to make him put his chips on the table. I think Vivax is town, and I think you're town, and I think rayn is town, and everyone seems to think LS is mafia. So I want Vivax to shoot LS. I think it might have been three. | ||
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On April 02 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote: I hate this going for two lynches is the most dangerous thing in the world meh, i'm not sure why FF is just looking at LS who has a tendancy to bus but ignores palmar who doesn't bus much at all? I tried to look at Palmar's filter myself and the only thing I got out of it is that bussing Toad for dumb reasons is totally within the realm of possibilities for him, it just fits his playstyle which is completely illogical and humorous when he's scum. | ||
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On April 02 2015 07:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Not thinking critically about it and the game in general makes you quite likely to be mafia, yes. Cause saying filter length = townieness is critical thinking? Have you ever seen mafia jat? | ||
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On April 02 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Taking into account the player does help a little I agree on that. But I think you should take another look at Toad, imo you're too confident on him being town. | ||
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On April 02 2015 07:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: No we can't, the reasons to townread all 5 of me/toad/vivax/trfel/you are ironclad and these dumb theories take one thing or even just simple paranoia and forget everything that's happened in the entire game and it's really fucking dumb. No, fuck you, you made that townread on him before mafia flipped. You didn't go look at him again reintegrating new information like I did. You didn't look at him again with LS and Palmar's flips in mind. You're the guy making the mistake here. | ||
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On April 02 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote: pijagukhasdlgjaljgialisjg We can look at Toad another day, LYNCH RITOKY HERE He's town | ||
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Pretty careless for a scum, isn't it? | ||
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On April 02 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So should we lynch the guy that makes a certain amount of sense over the guy that's posting carelessly and freely? It's a hard choice. It's not. Scum tries to make sense unless it's Palmar and some other exceptions. | ||
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On April 02 2015 07:49 Breshke wrote: Im town. FF is probably still scum he can post any of this as scum You too | ||
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On April 02 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Keep monitoring the vote thread to see if rito votes. If he does, we pile on him. I'm doing the same for Toad. Being afk at deadline doesn't seem like his town self at all, I hope you will come to the same realization, and then we can complete the puzzle. | ||
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On April 02 2015 08:00 Trfel wrote: Decisions.... I have a feeling that whatever I do is wrong. Artanis, you should switch. We developed an intellect for a reason. | ||
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On April 02 2015 08:12 ritoky wrote: good thing i set a phone alarm so i didn't get modkilled. so why did we decide to lynch breshke? You know you're the next lynch for that vote right? | ||
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On April 02 2015 08:38 ritoky wrote: well vivax, i believe this is mylo, so you won't even get that far by lynching me. sux2suck m8 The blame is on you if you flip town. Then you can join club Robik. | ||
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On April 02 2015 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I am actually kinda open to the idea of SL as scum. You may tinfoil in that direction without my hindrance. Tinfoil with me? At least the reptilian humanoids from Aldebaran will need to spend more quantic energy to mind control us both. | ||
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On April 02 2015 09:03 ritoky wrote: i made it with 7 seconds before the deadline, tyvm. and fuck you for not believing my wife just found out she is pregnant. Don Vito would be a great name. | ||
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To Toad: On April 02 2015 07:13 Vivax wrote: Time to call you mafia again dear On April 02 2015 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax stop this right now I will post this whenever people call tinfoil on me | ||
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On April 07 2015 00:58 Blazinghand wrote: The trick for me is to live in my parent's basement and only leave for meals my mom makes And you still don't have time for that writeup. | ||
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On April 07 2015 02:05 Blazinghand wrote: So to go over what we talked about for this setup.... + Show Spoiler + http://i.imgur.com/rPwNlr8.png Seriously though, we faced 2 major challenges with this setup. first, we had 20 players, which is an awkward number of players to have-- a little too much for 4 mafia, a little too small for 5 mafia. With 4 mafia and 3 kp and delivery restrictions on kp count, and no PR problems, with all mislynches you get: D1 16-4 D2 12-4 D3 8-4 LYLO (All lynches from here go 5-3, 3-2, 2-1 LYLO) so you could plausibly use that setup, giving town 3 mislynches to mafia's 4 members, which is not how you want to do it. If you reduced scum's KP to like, 3-2-2-2 or "3 on day 1, 2 on the rest" or something, it would be balanceable. The downside is it becomes kinda a swingy shitfest and there's big opportunities for PRs to make big changes, since if you knock off one or two mafia early on it becomes super impossible for mafia. I think high KP, huge town, small mafia is not the way to go in terms of "fun", even if it's balanced. We could try a different KP scaling, like 3 - 2 - 2 - 2 instead of 3 - 3 - 2 - 1 and try to give mafia some tweaks to balance it but no matter what, if you don't include 3p and you have 16-4 as your setup, So we decided to go for 15 town, 5 mafia and give mafia much fewer kp. Instead of giving mafia 3 kp or a way to keep 2 kp for a long time, we had mafia have 2 kp during N1 and N2, then 1 kp the rest of the game. N1 or N2 mafia is almost certainly gonna get at least ONE kill this way, and by the time mafia's down to 1 kp they could lean on their RB to avoid medic saves. Since mafia starts off as a big proportion of the town we're also making sure they don't get lots of kills to keep things balanced. Assuming the town vigi misses, we get: D1 16-4 (mislynch, scum shoots 2x town, town shoots town) D2 12-4 (mislynch, scum shoots 2x town) D3 9-4 (mislynch, scum shoots 1x town) D4 7-4 (mislynch, scum shoots 1x town) D5: 5-4 LYLO So, there are advantages and disadvantages to this setup. First off, it gives town tons of bites at the apple, which is great. However, there aren't big rewards for town lynching scum-- scum's KP declines basically regardless. On the other hand, it's less swingy-- if town fucks up and mislynches 2 times in a row, it's still plausible town can win, scum's KP drops to 1 anyways. The game will always advance in a somewhat predictable way in this game, since KP is a function of turn rather than position I like it because it basically requires the game be a particular length, and isn't unusually swingy or punishing. In terms of blue roles, you'll note that town had few powerful blue roles. Town's blue setup: Vigi (Vivax) Jailer (Rso) Aware Sane Cop (ExO_) Veteran (Trfel) The Orb I consider 1-shot Vigi, Jailer (especially if mafia deliver KP), and Aware Sane Cop to all be premium-tier blue roles, the kind that on their own can single-handedly turn the tide of games and win for town. Veteran is a medium-tier blue role, the kind that can make a difference but relies on the individual player's ability to catch scum in-thread rather than the actual night actions to make a difference. The Orb is basically a JOAT with a slight nerf-- it can fall into scum hands. There's a mild buff in that you can claim Orb after you've had it, whereas JOATs can't really do this without getting RBed / shot, so maybe it balances out, but I figured I'd treat the Orb basically as a JOAT, which is a premium-tier blue role when it includes a cop check or vigi shot. So town has basically 4 premium-tier blue roles and a veteran vs 5 scum, which comes out about right. Scum We gave a GF, a RB, and a Miller, which I think is pretty normal for a game of this size. We also gave scum a Rolecop, to give them a better chance of hunting town blue roles, since with only 1 kp they could be (and were, in fact) vulnerable to the Jailer and Veteran blocking their shots and causing deathless nights. Rolecop is a good solution because it doesn't direclty harm town, it only gives scum beter blue hunting. Some changes I'd consider for a future 20 person game: If you have to keep the orb, that's fine, but swap out the Veteran for a 1-shot blue role like 1-shot cop, 1-shot tracker, etc. In terms of B-rank power roles, Veteran is fine, but Veteran AND Jailer seemed to be a bit too much for scum. something non-protecting might be better. Maybe split one of the premium tier roles into two smaller roles, like break the jailer into a town roleblocker and a town 1-shot doctor, or something. Either way, include more "small" roles in the OP, so that mafia has more claim options. claiming Doctor is hard, claiming 1-shot doctor is easier though, and won't disrupt people's perceptions of game balance as much. Overall: I think this was a typical, well-balanced BH setup. some unexpected things happened, namely, scum Palmar getting shot by his teammate SL. At the start of D3 I thought town was in a really good spot, especially with rayn/ritoky as a fairly easy lynch. Toad really pulled through, though, and the sheer audacity of SL shooting Palmar kept him in the clear. I think the Breshke and FecalFeast lynches weren't amazing, but these things happen, especially against a strong scumteam. Trfel did a good job of not getting lynched but should have tried to step into a leadership role after N4 when he took a bullet. As conftown he had a chance to make a difference. tl dr Blazinghand what do you think of empire II? | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:03 Trfel wrote: ![[image loading]](http://fullyillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/fully-illustrated-devil.jpg) There are people in this town who seek to destroy your hopes and dreams. By day, they manipulate and coerce you into doing their bidding. By night, they silently approach your homes and then kill you without mercy. Only a cruel, stone-cold, heartless person could live in this manner. We are the mafia. You cannot win. If you have a power role, please state it here, and you might be killed less painfully. On March 19 2015 08:04 Trfel wrote: Wow, you guys are fast..... I never miss the first post when I actually try for it. I guess I've got to step up my game. On March 19 2015 08:14 Trfel wrote: Palmar, I was at band practice for three hours before the start of the game. I had five minutes to type that up. Give me a break. On March 19 2015 08:51 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin is probably town. On March 19 2015 08:58 Trfel wrote: Well, I already claimed mafia, so I'm probably going to lurk for a while. I'll come back when you guys get on the right track to make sure I can get townies lynched. Have fun. Compared to the followup here: On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote: Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote: Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain? Reads entirely different! In Carol he kept the trolling up, here he jumped immediately into a bit of an awkward reading questioning of disfo after I voted him for the mafia claim. Opinions? Might be indicative of something but it's entirely meta based so I don't feel like making a call right now. | ||
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