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The Superbia one is bad because
(1) Him starting to show doubt on his read on you doesn't mean anything. He could be backing off as scum because he doesn't want to argue with you further because he can't, which is entirely consistent with him dodging your case and nitpicking semantics.
(2) He didn't bother to try to force something by comparing to Imperial because fuck going through 30+ pages of your filter in a 500+ pg game just to maybe throw some doubt on you that won't get you lynched. Much better to pacify you by trying to tr you while still not addressing your case.
I'm okay enough with the Breshke one for now.
FF one might be legit, I forgot about that. I would rather lynch Superbia anyway so yeah. Meh.
I'd rather orb Slam and I don't know about the Onegu one.
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more like town ninja eden. jeez.
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Fuck it I'm rescinding the convincing promise 2 h pre-lynch.
Y'all too bad while I called out scum D1 and N2. Don't even wanna bother against jubjubs.
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On March 27 2015 04:55 Vivax wrote:
Fuck it I'm rescinding the convincing promise 2 h pre-lynch.
Y'all too bad while I called out scum D1 and N2. Don't even wanna bother against jubjubs.
Wat
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On March 27 2015 04:56 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 04:55 Vivax wrote:
Fuck it I'm rescinding the convincing promise 2 h pre-lynch.
Y'all too bad while I called out scum D1 and N2. Don't even wanna bother against jubjubs. Wat
he promised to bury either me or slam
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On March 27 2015 04:56 Eden1892 wrote:Wat
Yeah I dunno either.
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On March 27 2015 04:57 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 04:56 Eden1892 wrote:On March 27 2015 04:55 Vivax wrote:
Fuck it I'm rescinding the convincing promise 2 h pre-lynch.
Y'all too bad while I called out scum D1 and N2. Don't even wanna bother against jubjubs. Wat he promised to bury either me or slam
Oh yeah.
You swayed to vote Superbia Vivaxbro?
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On March 27 2015 04:27 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 04:20 Vivax wrote:On March 27 2015 04:19 ritoky wrote:
sorry, wife's bday yesterday; catching up on a lot now You're the guy I was just looking for. Aren't you suspicious of Damdred? Now is the time for a good case. give me like 20 mins to catch up on the thread, then i will start working on it.
I don't think the damdred lynch will happen, so I will expand on this post during the night phase, I will give you the cliff notes now though:
1) Onegu - consider the following: onegu claimed mason, claimed mason with HF, HF flipped non-mason, claimed mason with rayn, rebuffed, unclaimed mason. Damdred had 0 input on all of this until I prompted him about how he was ignoring it like a scum ignores their buddy.
2) ritoky Soul Read - when I entered the game, damdred immediately kept pushing for a policy lynch on my slot and didn't want any1 to deviate (calling for an orb on me). this makes 0 sense from town damdred who has a soul read on me and should be happier an easier read for him has entered the game and tons of sense for scum damdred who realizes some1 who can read him well has entered the game.
3) diplomatic damdred voice - this is a meta thing, will take explanation. he likes to use appeasing language as mafia is the jist of it.
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I'm gonna be quite pleased if my early toneread was correct.
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eden, how strong is that read on superbia? cuz i kinda had the same no traction, and backing out of a read feelz that you did.
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On March 27 2015 05:03 ritoky wrote:
eden, how strong is that read on superbia? cuz i kinda had the same no traction, and backing out of a read feelz that you did.
Dunno about Eden but after what he posted I feel clarity and I'm quite sure Super will flip scum.
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Posting case again
On March 26 2015 21:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:So yeah. Superbia. 1. Tone Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 09:57 Superbia wrote:
Dumbtell boys. How many mafia are there in a game of 20? 5? Some GOAT player pointed this out as he posted it. It feels extremely self-conscious to add the "dumbtell" thing at the start immediately. 2. Goes after anyone that goes after him. 2.1 Me for pointing this out. + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2015 10:07 Superbia wrote:
So, Artanis, do you want to take this opportunity to claim mafia? He goes after my poke for a little bit, gets called out for being a hypocrite and lets it go in a very weird way. On March 19 2015 10:18 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 10:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote:On March 19 2015 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 10:11 Superbia wrote:On March 19 2015 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 09:57 Superbia wrote:
Dumbtell boys. How many mafia are there in a game of 20? 5? I'm getting bad feels from this post. The dumbtell part feels forced like he's super aware of what he's doing. Now what? Why are you just sitting on this? On March 19 2015 10:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On March 19 2015 10:03 Trfel wrote:
Like Superbia said, it would really be nice to know how many mafia are in this game. Is it 4 or 5? This is gonna sound really dumb but I think Superbia and Trfel are never going to be mafia together. This is just not something you repeat as mafia when another mafia's asked it already and especially after I called Superb out on his tone for it. This feels like you felt like you had to do something with the pretty empty poke you just posted. What do you want me to do with a tone read? You haven't posted anything I wanted to dig in further yet. Your second sentence is simply your own narrative and nonsense. Then why did you feel the need to post it? It may very well be my own narrative, and it very well may be nonsense. But it also might not be. Awesome. So that other people may pick up on it, and see if they agree/disagree. Since no one else commented on it, it seems I'm on my own in that tone read. I also post anything that comes to mind that I believe could be useful in case you haven't noticed. Eh. Fair enough. I'm probably going to regret not pushing on this during post-game. But whatever. We'll see how your day progresses. He's going to regret not pushing me 2 hours into D1 for some dumb shit. Sounds more like setting himself up to go after me again. 2.2 Damdred for suspecting him + Show Spoiler +Damdred's initial suspicion of Super: On March 19 2015 22:22 Damdred wrote:
Actually I really hate superbia currently. There was this point where the pressuring on trfel looked more dickish than town to a point. Like trfels night post and super said that's it, rubbed me the wrong way I suppose bit then when trfel stayed longer and posted more super was no where to be seen. Super is angry sounding as well.. Would lynch today Instant followup: On March 19 2015 22:38 Superbia wrote:
Yo. Real quick, damdred is probable scum. I haven't really evaluated Vivax's alignment yet, though the whole thing looks pretty meh? I was never angry? I was having fun playing the game. Like Vivax, you even hinted to my scum game, why aren't you drawing any parallels?
So, Damdred. Our reads have lined up pretty well, as can be told from my filter. We both had HF and Palmar as town early on. And Damdred had SL and trfel as scum. I was burying SL pretty hard yesterday (admittedly, maybe a bit too hard, but let's see what he brings today) and I was pushing on trfel, who you had as scum and according to your filter, were very unsure of. How is me pushing on trfel a scummy thing when you were leaning scum on him around the same time?
Why isn't the thought process "well, I was scum-leaning on trfel as well, so I guess I can see where he's coming from"? Instead it is "trfel is town. Super pushed on him in a "dickish" way. He must be mafia". What? This doesn't line up at all with what is supposed to be your thought process. Why do we have similar reads if I'm mafia? Why am I burying SL so hard if, according to your world, we're mafia together?
Btw. I was never angry. That is such fabricated nonsense. So Damdred is scum because Damdred shares Superbia's scumreads. Funny how Superbia forgets that it works exactly the other way around too. He also is under the impression that mafia never bus when he's bussed very strongly himself in the past. He emphasizes this first point again. On March 19 2015 23:07 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 22:49 Damdred wrote:
I do love it when people get upset towards me and call me scum when I put them in my scum lost this early. It gives me warm tinglies It doesn't line up. You should be reading me town purely based on us having similar reads throughout the game. The fact that you don't know this but are still willing to call me mafia is alarming. Still oblivious to the irony. On March 20 2015 10:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:On March 20 2015 10:14 Superbia wrote:
Can people comment on what I've said? Specifically regarding Damdred. Thanks. mmm i read it...and i don't even necessarily disagree that there may be scum in that triangle, but i dunnae. like yesterday i was getting a townie feel from damdy...(it's normal for him to just post reads as he goes until he latches onto something solid, usually after day 1 or at the very least not until close to the end of it, so y'all are high on that count xP) and a scummy feel from sl. since then damdy has dropped a little and sl has risen a touch...though i'd still say sicklucker has the best chance of the two flipping scum you...eh your posting irritates me this game so i'm reserving judgment xP the tone is grating which makes me predisposed to scumread you lol for no reason other than your tone grates on my nerves. mean of me to say, i know, but true ^^ Eh, I can't help it. Just the way I post, I guess?  IDK. Maybe Damdred is the lazy town. I just feel very deeply and pretty strongly that he's the hidden mafia. So Rso basically mentions no arguments here, just that she feels Dammy gives her a townie feel but he's dropped off a bit and rather than trying to convince her of his arguments, he just goes... idk, maybe you're right. Maybe your townie feeling on him and that Damdred's dropped off a bit means he's town after all. After a few more arguments back and forth he decides... On March 20 2015 11:40 Superbia wrote:
I'm not sure about damd atm. Also I missed this but Eden also says some good stuff. On March 20 2015 13:33 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 13:29 Superbia wrote:On March 20 2015 13:25 Eden1892 wrote:
you said you were "relatively certain" though. :/ And then you guys told me "nono, damd is town" and it's like, whatever, I guess I'll re-evaluate? Though I may just say fuck you guys and still read him mafia tomorrow, we'll see. okay, this is the second time you've made the same logic error. i will explain again. if you make it a third time i will be forced to assume it's deliberate and respond accordingly. all of the following statements were contained in one post:- "damdred is probably my best pick for scum?" - "sicklucker is kind of meh" - "i am relatively certain 1 of them is scum, but i don't think both are" because these were all contained in one post, no one could have given input in-between any of these statements to change your relative certainty that one of them is scum.so taking this at face value, i do not understand why it is that you: - don't firmly conclude damdred is mafia - don't conclude that sicklucker isn't mafia - don't move your vote please explain why this inconsistency exists Superbia explains there these aren't absolute truths, but it's still weird that he doesn't act upon them. 3. Mentions a desire to lynch LS a lot but never does anything about it + Show Spoiler +On March 19 2015 10:34 Superbia wrote:
LS is probably mafia. Active just before game. Inactive during game. On March 21 2015 05:59 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 21 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:On March 21 2015 05:55 LightningStrike wrote:On March 21 2015 05:52 Superbia wrote:
LightningStrike where the fuck you at. I know you're lurking right at this moment. I keeping my vote on Vivax because of Toad's counterclaim like why would Mafia!Toad would ever counterclaim and I going to finish watching the European LCS. What kind of evaluation is this? Why are you so uninterested in this situation? bcz he is scum what do you think? oh i forgot.... Honestly? I think they're both town and that at least 2 mafia is lurking right now. I think LS is very likely among the lurking mafia. On March 21 2015 06:49 Superbia wrote:
HF are you familiar with BM's meta? Like I'm willing to join the wagon but would prefer it to go on SL or LS, who I personally feel are mafia. Fuck the Ls and the Ss. On March 21 2015 07:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 07:20 Breshke wrote:
I'd be willing to lynch LS aswell simply because i don't feel like he is trying to work out these claims
I like where you are at. On March 21 2015 07:30 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote:
Nobody cares about your petty shitty vig claim fight. There's loads of mafia let's kill them Are you going to strongarm this BM lynch? I've asked multiple times regarding an SL or an LS wagon. Whatever. It's your fault if BM flips town though. On March 21 2015 07:35 Superbia wrote:
Just ask yourself this one question:
Where the fuck are SL and LS at? Also Slam? Then when it actually gets to it and it's a few hrs before lynch: On March 22 2015 05:56 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 05:48 Holyflare wrote:On March 22 2015 05:48 Superbia wrote:
HF, what are your thoughts on the two vigi targets for tonight? Do we have them down already? slam and x All right, slam sounds like a pretty decent target at this point. What do you think about SL/LS? I know I've been shouting about them all EoD, but not much has changed (at least, not for me). Though maybe not LS because I might be shit at reading him (he always looks really mafia).I'm currently kinda looking at rso. I believe she has been leaning scum on me the entire game and has done seemingly nothing to further evaluate me. No real interaction or anything. I'm not really confident enough in calling for a vigi shot on her, however. Maybe Trfel? Whenever I see his name "may be scum" pops up in my head, but I'm not entire sure why. I don't think I've really interacted with him this game, except for maybe a few quips. I'm kind of scared of looking further at a second target tonight, since I'm reading like 3 scummy-ish people as PR. Suddenly Superbia doesn't really want to lynch him anymore when he becomes a legitimate target. 4. Vig Claims + Show Spoiler +This is what Superbia thinks about the vig claims at the time Vivax claims Vig. On March 21 2015 05:06 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:On March 21 2015 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Ok now that enough mafia or idiots are piled up on me I hardclaim Drax. Drax the vig, the easiest role in the game to fakeclaim as mafia. Who would have though. Really convenient, isn't it? What? Rofl. This is the dumbest thing ever. Vig is the WORST thing to claim as mafia. Because other vig will just counterclaim and shoot the mafia. Changes quite quickly to.. On March 21 2015 05:23 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote:On March 21 2015 05:20 Superbia wrote:
Chances of both being town are so fucking real. No. I'm surely not going to bet on that, that would be really stupid and actually allows this situation to go unresolved for the rest of the game. Solve it now. Me or Toad it doesn't matter but he has to die now or later. I vehemently disagree. I think we need to evaluate either of you independently of the claim. Does mafia really claim vig here? Does mafia really CC vig? I honestly don't see either as likely. He went from scum would never claim vig because they can get counterclaimed to accepting that there are two vigis quite quickly. It's possible that he thought of this as town, but what I find more likely is that he KNEW they were both legit. Being right is very easy as mafia. There was no logic for a town player lying at this point, so both claims had to be legit. He also came up with the best solution for Mafia: On March 21 2015 05:18 Superbia wrote:
I think we have the vigis shoot each other, right? This fucks us up so hard if they're both town, but I don't think we should spend lynches on this. Which he suggests DESPITE thinking both claims are town. He literally went over that a few minutes later. Purely pushing scum motivation. 5. LS part 2 + Show Spoiler +On March 21 2015 06:19 Superbia wrote:I think I'm a 100% on board. I would be okay with Breshke or SL as well. Bad, bad feelings. On March 21 2015 06:32 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 06:30 Holyflare wrote:On March 21 2015 06:29 Superbia wrote:On March 21 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote:
Just give it a night, we force the vigs to shoot our own targets or they claim mafia. If they don't it's free mafia. Mafia just "RB" the vig shooting mafia and let the town shot go through. This only works if we 100% find two mafia to fire upon. Who the fuck cares get rid of peripheral shit people doing nothing I'd be okay with this. I have literally no read on BM though. Can we default back to SL? Or maybe go on LS? Such arguments, much wow. Also, one thing to note is that he kept pairing LS (scum) and SL (99% Town) together. LS has been a peripheral scumread for Superbia all game long, but he never really pushed him. 6. Creating doubt on people in the town circle + Show Spoiler +Throughout the game but especially towards the later days, Superbia's been trying to cast doubt on players we consider townie. At first, it was me. Later it was Damdred, then later still it was Toad and once again myself. On March 25 2015 06:46 Superbia wrote:
So 2 KP shown during the night means one of two things:
1. Mafia KP got reduced.
2. You (toad) are not the vigi. Note also that Toad happened to go after one of his theories a little bit before this. + Show Spoiler +On March 25 2015 06:45 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 06:44 Toadesstern wrote:On March 25 2015 06:38 Superbia wrote:
Like this is all rather guessing where the mafia's wine is, but if I was mafia, and both were town, I would've probably shot Vivax after that d1, especially if you can set up the wagons well. why would you should either Vivax or me when you can get us lynched... think about it this way: Day 1: BM lynch Day 2: lynch between Vivax or Toad, let's say it's on VivaxDay 3: "Oh hey, Vivax flipped green!", lynch on Toadsounds a lot better than what you're saying Yeah but this play is way too obvious. Mafia never wants to be obvious. And then there's his case on me which is terrible and I've gone into before as it only proves I've been wrong and that I've changed my reads a lot. 7. His Slam is always mafia if the vigis are real idea + Show Spoiler +On March 25 2015 06:58 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 06:52 ritoky wrote:
i am super confused by what superbia is talking about. can someone try to make sense of this for me, or tell me if i am wrong.
he says the play he would make as mafia if 2 vigis were real and claimed, the play would be shoot 1 vigi @ night to setup the ML on the other; thus since it didn't happen that way 1 of the vigis is mafia? is that correct?
in a game with this many claims out in the open, why do you think the mafia would place vigi as such a high priority? especially when 1 has claimed to use their shot. There were mason claims and a fake Tracker in rayn (iirc). I'm just speculating because I believe more information can be extracted from the NKs with 2 vigi claims. Let's eliminate the world in which both vigis are real, and slam is town: - Scum never RBs Vivax because: - You show 4 KP in the night (withholding a possible mafia vig shot), 4 town die, town suspects vigis due to possibility of mafia vig. Mafia probably wins game. Hence, if you believe both vigis, Slam is probably always mafia. He pushed this idea very strongly despite all of town going in against him. As Eden has mentioned, it suggests tmi. It's dumb as there's plenty of blues that can mess up actions and you don't know who the vigis will shoot, yet Superbia is convinced that it'd be the correct play for mafia to let both vigis shoot. Concluding Superbia is probably mafia because: 1. Tone 2. OMGUSed myself and Damdred then let it go for apparently no reason 3. Went after LS without actually ever giving reasons, softpushing him all game and combining him a lot with SL 4. Believed both Vig claims were town but wanted them to shoot eachother anyway 5. Switches to BM without trying to get anyone to actually lynch LS 6. Tries to create doubt on any players commonly considered town to gain extra mislynches 7. Seems to have TMI (probably worst point tho) ##Vote SuperbiaAlso don't respond to the case except with "good case" and let him defend himself.
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man I'm almost falling asleep.. waking up 5am was not a good idea. I'll probably make my final decision within 30min or so, can't even be bothered to watch final Saekano episode. Just as an fyi
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I'd vote super with you art. I just think Rayn was scun
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On March 27 2015 05:08 Damdred wrote:
I'd vote super with you art. I just think Rayn was scun
Save it for another day. Super is dying today.
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Drops a big case on me and is "anxious to see me reply", then goes afk for 33 hours in which time I had replied, happens to come back right as I case him and barely seems interested in anything but nitpicking.
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On March 27 2015 05:03 ritoky wrote:
eden, how strong is that read on superbia? cuz i kinda had the same no traction, and backing out of a read feelz that you did.
Strong enough that I'm lynching him over it
Thinking back a bit, I remember a comment he made toward me where he basically insinuated that I was likely to be biased against him due to my earlier read. This came while I was questioning him on something. In hindsight it kinda reeks of this debate club, point-out-fallacies-without-forming-useful-conclusions "style" that I feel like comes from mafia mindset more than town mindset.
Townies argue as a means to the end of finding mafia. Mafia argue as a means to the end of looking engaged. For townies, argument is strictly a tool through which reads are formed, so they're less likely to just argue aimlessly about the minutia of particular points - they might get into stupid arguments but it's always for the purpose of trying to develop reads on other players. Mafia otoh can and do easily fall into the trap of engaging points about players without trying to make a read on them. It makes them look like they're helping and being useful without committing them to a read.
I don't really feel like Superbia's arguing this game has been the townie kind of arguing, with the exception of his case on Artanis, which he's promptly walked back anyway.
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On March 27 2015 05:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Drops a big case on me and is "anxious to see me reply", then goes afk for 33 hours in which time I had replied, happens to come back right as I case him and barely seems interested in anything but nitpicking.
Bingo. He sorta revisited his case once with the Vivax point, but that quickly devolved into aimless arguing, and he just kinda drops the rest without engaging you on it at all
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I feel today is going to be our first non-orb assisted mafia lynch.
I bet mafia is so pissed about the orb rofl
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