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Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 01:11 GMT
#1221
They should really shoot whoever they feel is most likely mafia. Or not shoot. Whatever feels right. Being vig is fun and exciting, make the most of it :p
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 26 2015 01:15 GMT
#1222
ok who would you shoot then?

Zerg for Life
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 01:19 GMT
#1223
I dunno if we should talk about this, other people might get angry at me.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 01:20 GMT
#1224
Hint: It's in the thread.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 26 2015 01:22 GMT
#1225
if it's in the thread you can just say it then , you want to shoot torment?
Zerg for Life
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
February 26 2015 01:24 GMT
#1226
I think I found a mafia.

Please look forward to the case when I get home
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 01:28 GMT
#1227
I'm not going to name one specific person. I've said who I think is mafia. Now I need to spend some time rereading with the knowledge that Wave is town and the knowledge I have on this lynch that the other townies don't because I'm in the best position to help tomorrow.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
February 26 2015 01:29 GMT
#1228
I would have voted WaveofShadow if your interested. Snarfs is town that was def town vs town
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 26 2015 01:30 GMT
#1229
yeh vigi can shoot snarf, good choice
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 26 2015 01:31 GMT
#1230
On February 26 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote:
I would have voted WaveofShadow if your interested. Snarfs is town that was def town vs town


Zerg for Life
_Tormented_
Profile Joined February 2015
United States157 Posts
February 26 2015 01:32 GMT
#1231
On February 26 2015 10:30 KelsierSC wrote:
yeh vigi can shoot snarf, good choice


On February 26 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote:
I would have voted WaveofShadow if your interested. Snarfs is town that was def town vs town


So...back to disagreeing again?
The good news about computers is that they do what you tell them to do. The bad news is that they do what you tell them to do.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
February 26 2015 07:53 GMT
#1232
On February 26 2015 09:23 The Shining wrote:
See, thank you, Kels. This is the 2nd game in a row I've been resigned and detached for whatever reasons. Last game, not 1 but 2 D2 replacements almost took me out of the game. This time, its my late start.

Want to see my help? Let's help, then. I want to see final vote, too, and I'll get through some more filters before I leave work tonight

How's this coming along?
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 26 2015 13:14 GMT
#1233
Taking a look at the way the Wave lynch happened I think mafia got lucky. It was my vote which made Wave a legitimate target and the wagon gained speed from there. Wave was safe as houses with no-one doing anything until I changed my vote then in the space of 10 minutes (10:29-10:40) four people jumped onto the wagon. See + Show Spoiler +
Voting for Wave
Eden1892 - 00:36
Probulous - 10:16.
Damred - 10:29
_Tormented_ - 10:34
Tronak - 10:39
Snarfs - 10:40
The Shining - 10:46


Snarfs tied it up and Shining hammered the lynch but it is reasonable for Snarfs to push the other wagon and Shining jumped in too late to change the lynch targets. Anyway by this point the wagon was rolling strong anyway. I don't think Eden is mafia and besides his vote didn't push the wagon along, it was mine and the others that joined him. I made a major fuck up but my reasons are in thread. Even so Wave was at 2 votes when Snarfs had 4 and Artanis 2. The wagon really got going when Damred, tormented and Tronak came on board.

Damred's vote was a consolidation vote and he moved from Snarfs due to his legacy post. Literally this
On February 26 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:
##unvote
##Vote wave
Let's do this rd end masculine words have swayed my heart of stone

Which doesn't mention my vote 13 minutes earlier. Odd since Artanis and Snarfs were the lead vote contenders until my vote tied up Artanis and Wave and Eden's passionate cry for assistance didn't convince him earlier. Whatever, he hasn't provided the brilliant analysis he promised and has managed to lie low since I stopped pushing him. We lynched town cause he didn't participate so I am loathe to lynch on broken promises again. He clearly isn't in anyone else's sights so moving on. To be honest I'm tired of reading his filter.

So that leave's _Tormented_ and Tronak. Just perfect, the newbies.
Tormented I can't tell if it is mafia or just blatant newb. Take these posts for example
On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Artanis

I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it.

versus
On February 26 2015 07:56 _Tormented_ wrote:
I voted him originally for his post against Node that seemed a pretty big stretch to me, along with not helping find any scum besides that post. I actually liked his recent post with his actual reads, but that is just me. I could just as easily be wrong.

like three minutes later. He says bad stuff but he is completely open about it. I hate to admit it but Tronak is the same. I thought I had nailed him with his reasoning for voting for Wave
I never said I liked the lynch on Snarf. I have always said I find him interesting as a player to learn from (totally egoist point of view nad not "find a mafia" related i got to admit), thats why i'd save him over Wave
which is just about the worst reason you could have to vote for someone. You aren't voting for them because you think they are mafia but because you like how the other guy plays. If this was the only time he specifically mentioned Snarfs play it would be blatant attempt to find a reason to vote and I would lynch him so fast but he has actually mentioned this a couple times before.
  1. (iii) Scarfs: null about him with big fear of losing what I find so far a very usefull player for my learning.
  2. I like Snarfs, as said before, he results interesting to exist in my learning curve.
    However, is impossible anyone reading half Artanis's post would miss his tunneling on Tormented.
    How can you explain that Snarfs?
I just don't see Tronak thinking that far ahead.

Which means my two hours spent trying to work out what happened comes down to Damred again. It's past midnight here and I'm just done with this. I'll try and be here before day-break. I'll take a look at Snarfs and his side of the voting then.

Please post your thoughts, hopefully some of this was useful. I especially want to hear from Node, who has also disappeared from the thread.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 26 2015 13:17 GMT
#1234
On February 26 2015 09:27 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 09:26 Probulous wrote:
OK going AFK. Might pop back in a couple hours otherwise see you at daybreak with some thoughts about how this went down.

why didn't you switch btw.
anyway i'm going to sleep
I wanted to switch to Tronak. No chance of that happening. Not enough time to work out whether it was a last minute bus or hammering a town lynch. Obviously turned out to be number 2 but see my text wall for more information.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
February 26 2015 13:24 GMT
#1235
BTW next lynch is at 11:00 on Sunday Oz time so I may be unable to attend. I'll post my thoughts when I can. Weekend mafia is a bitch. PS the irony of this is not lost on me.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 26 2015 13:31 GMT
#1236
On February 26 2015 22:14 Probulous wrote:
Taking a look at the way the Wave lynch happened I think mafia got lucky. It was my vote which made Wave a legitimate target and the wagon gained speed from there. Wave was safe as houses with no-one doing anything until I changed my vote then in the space of 10 minutes (10:29-10:40) four people jumped onto the wagon. See + Show Spoiler +
Voting for Wave
Eden1892 - 00:36
Probulous - 10:16.
Damred - 10:29
_Tormented_ - 10:34
Tronak - 10:39
Snarfs - 10:40
The Shining - 10:46


Snarfs tied it up and Shining hammered the lynch but it is reasonable for Snarfs to push the other wagon and Shining jumped in too late to change the lynch targets. Anyway by this point the wagon was rolling strong anyway. I don't think Eden is mafia and besides his vote didn't push the wagon along, it was mine and the others that joined him. I made a major fuck up but my reasons are in thread. Even so Wave was at 2 votes when Snarfs had 4 and Artanis 2. The wagon really got going when Damred, tormented and Tronak came on board.

Damred's vote was a consolidation vote and he moved from Snarfs due to his legacy post. Literally this
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote:
##unvote
##Vote wave
Let's do this rd end masculine words have swayed my heart of stone

Which doesn't mention my vote 13 minutes earlier. Odd since Artanis and Snarfs were the lead vote contenders until my vote tied up Artanis and Wave and Eden's passionate cry for assistance didn't convince him earlier. Whatever, he hasn't provided the brilliant analysis he promised and has managed to lie low since I stopped pushing him. We lynched town cause he didn't participate so I am loathe to lynch on broken promises again. He clearly isn't in anyone else's sights so moving on. To be honest I'm tired of reading his filter.

So that leave's _Tormented_ and Tronak. Just perfect, the newbies.
Tormented I can't tell if it is mafia or just blatant newb. Take these posts for example
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 07:53 _Tormented_ wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Artanis

I agree about snarf's post and I agree with his lynch, even if nothing will come of it.

versus
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 07:56 _Tormented_ wrote:
I voted him originally for his post against Node that seemed a pretty big stretch to me, along with not helping find any scum besides that post. I actually liked his recent post with his actual reads, but that is just me. I could just as easily be wrong.

like three minutes later. He says bad stuff but he is completely open about it. I hate to admit it but Tronak is the same. I thought I had nailed him with his reasoning for voting for Wave
Show nested quote +
I never said I liked the lynch on Snarf. I have always said I find him interesting as a player to learn from (totally egoist point of view nad not "find a mafia" related i got to admit), thats why i'd save him over Wave
which is just about the worst reason you could have to vote for someone. You aren't voting for them because you think they are mafia but because you like how the other guy plays. If this was the only time he specifically mentioned Snarfs play it would be blatant attempt to find a reason to vote and I would lynch him so fast but he has actually mentioned this a couple times before.
  1. (iii) Scarfs: null about him with big fear of losing what I find so far a very usefull player for my learning.
  2. I like Snarfs, as said before, he results interesting to exist in my learning curve.
    However, is impossible anyone reading half Artanis's post would miss his tunneling on Tormented.
    How can you explain that Snarfs?
I just don't see Tronak thinking that far ahead.

Which means my two hours spent trying to work out what happened comes down to Damred again. It's past midnight here and I'm just done with this. I'll try and be here before day-break. I'll take a look at Snarfs and his side of the voting then.

Please post your thoughts, hopefully some of this was useful. I especially want to hear from Node, who has also disappeared from the thread.


Yeh I agree Damdred looked pretty bad EOD

I need to look at his votes but I remember he initially voted on SL with me, and then jumped on wave so maybe he just didn't want to be on snarf for some reason.

Zerg for Life
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 13:39 GMT
#1237
Probolous you admitted your self, that you were the one pushing Wave's wagon first. And your vote was indeed what made me think "ok i can save Snarfs + someone else is pushing Eden's case (which at this point I was already considering seriously)".

I will explain my line of arguments that drived me to vote for Wave further (having lunch while I read you, and i'll need some quotes). Meanwhile and to complete your analysis, that I just read and find very interesting and better that your "oh look shoot this scum newbie"), why don't you refresh me why did you vote Wave? aren't you as suspicious as me? I mean you look more suspicious to me at this point (before diving in you filter).
LeaVe & LeT DiE
Tronak
Profile Joined February 2015
Spain217 Posts
February 26 2015 14:34 GMT
#1238
Ok about why I voted Wave:

First, I couldnt have imagined I would need to explain these since I posted my reasons with my vote:
On February 26 2015 08:39 Tronak wrote:
##Vote WaveofShadow

Reasons:
1) I believe in Eden's case
2) You ignored me when I questioned your supposedly busy first hours
3) You haven't made own reads so far.
4) Last but not least, I don't want to lynch Snarfs despite I am not convinced of his innocence.



I go 1 by 1:
1) I believed it, was solid to me and I was trusting Eden reasonings so far and liking her pushes (specially in KSC) (not sure what to think at the moment given the results) .

2) Is related to this:

On February 25 2015 19:04 Tronak wrote:
I am jumping in almost all players filters... this made me stop:

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 08:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for reads yamato, my schedule has been particularly brutal as of Monday. I'll try to look at stuff after iris tonight.


Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not going to lie, I have zero clue what is going on in thread right now. I don't know who is a suspect, who looks scummy to whom. This hasn't been a particularly productive day so I'm going to attempt to re-read later tonight to see if I pick up on anything.


<Deleted huge chain of quotes before this one>
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 14:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Meh.
I know I'd never say anything as terrible as 'I don't think you're scum yet' as scum.
Trying to work up the motivation to re-read. I probably should too since I won't be around for deadline.


Guess you did not had time to re-read and clear up your thoughts? I am interested in your opinion.


He never answered to me, instead he did this:

On February 25 2015 22:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kelsier I'm not sure what's making you play like this as compared to Guilty but it's weird and off putting, whether or not you're having 'fun.'

Just in case I don't get back to things

##vote: tronak


3) no reads = no help for town.
4) I did wanted to save Snarfs as stated several times.

Then we got external reasons I didnt mention to not look more noob that I already do:
- KSC was pushing for collapsing votes (I quickly found the utility of this but I hadnt a shit good idea where to jump until Prob voted for Wave)

It took me about 30 minutes to put all toguether in a balance and decide thinking I was doing a right thing. Sorry I failed.
LeaVe & LeT DiE
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 26 2015 14:52 GMT
#1239
Hmm..tronak I actually like that post. I'll have to check your filter when I get back home to see if it makes sense but you explained your actions pretty well.

The thing I dont understand is you made some reply to artanis saying that you thought snarf was scummy. Like .."I alwabt to learn but there is no way he doesn't remember who you pushed" I cant remember exactly. but then you voted on wave so is it just because you liked the case on wave better.

Hmm also Yamato and I.wanted to lynch snarf so that gave you pause.

You're probably the T town
Zerg for Life
_Tormented_
Profile Joined February 2015
United States157 Posts
February 26 2015 14:53 GMT
#1240
Honestly, the more I read from snarf, the more I thought he was town, but if no better options presented themselves I was planning on still voting for him. I did keep up with Eden's case that he was making and agreed that wave was scummy. Then I pretty much just followed Prob and Damdred. Even still, I think we were lynching a town no matter what
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