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On March 05 2015 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 04:33 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 04:22 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 04:16 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 04:07 AT.Epiphany wrote:
At this point, my main point of interest is getting into the dispute between Mocsta and Breshke. I'm confident that one of the two of these guys is definitely scum and that this isn't TOWN-TOWN Same post later on: On March 05 2015 04:07 AT.Epiphany wrote:
Also, I'm null on Breshke How can you say it's not town-town if you are NULL on Breshke? Your first sentence suggests that if Mocsta is town, Breshke is mafia, but your second suggests you don't have a read on Breshke. Could you elaborate here? I just mean I'm sure one of them is scum, but I'm not sure which. Why? Primarily because of the tone of the interaction with Mocsta tunnelling Breshke and the latter reacting to Mocsta as a threat. There doesn't seem to be even a bit of pause where either of them is considering the other to be on the same side, and that's usually not how I'd expect it in town vs town. What's more this wasn't really heated or personal either, and it doesn't look like an ego-clash the way people have interpreted Geript vs me (to clarify I still stick with my initial opinion of that, but there's no point going over that at the moment and ruining a constructive atmosphere) How does the bolded part make sense? Given the underlined if they are town-mafia, wouldn't the townie act like he would vs another town aswell -> still consider the other one as being on the same side at some point?
Not if he thinks the other guy is deliberately picking on slips to fabricate a case, which is the first thing Breshke accuses Mocsta of...that's why I referred to the tone. I
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On March 05 2015 04:44 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 04:40 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 04:33 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 04:22 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 04:16 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 04:07 AT.Epiphany wrote:
At this point, my main point of interest is getting into the dispute between Mocsta and Breshke. I'm confident that one of the two of these guys is definitely scum and that this isn't TOWN-TOWN Same post later on: On March 05 2015 04:07 AT.Epiphany wrote:
Also, I'm null on Breshke How can you say it's not town-town if you are NULL on Breshke? Your first sentence suggests that if Mocsta is town, Breshke is mafia, but your second suggests you don't have a read on Breshke. Could you elaborate here? I just mean I'm sure one of them is scum, but I'm not sure which. Why? Primarily because of the tone of the interaction with Mocsta tunnelling Breshke and the latter reacting to Mocsta as a threat. There doesn't seem to be even a bit of pause where either of them is considering the other to be on the same side, and that's usually not how I'd expect it in town vs town. What's more this wasn't really heated or personal either, and it doesn't look like an ego-clash the way people have interpreted Geript vs me (to clarify I still stick with my initial opinion of that, but there's no point going over that at the moment and ruining a constructive atmosphere) How does the bolded part make sense? Given the underlined if they are town-mafia, wouldn't the townie act like he would vs another town aswell -> still consider the other one as being on the same side at some point? Not if he thinks the other guy is deliberately picking on slips to fabricate a case, which is the first thing Breshke accuses Mocsta of...that's why I referred to the tone. I But what you're saying is: 1 of Mocsta or Breshke is mafia because they don't give pause. Therefore, 1 of Mocsta or Breshke is town. Hence, 1 of Mocsta or Breshke is town, yet they don't give pause. It's not making sense to me.
I'm just saying whoever the townie is thinks the other guy is mafia and framing him. Obviously, they don't necessarily have to think that way, but the tone of this interaction clearly indicates they do.
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On March 05 2015 04:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 04:47 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 04:44 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 04:40 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2015 04:33 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 04:22 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 04:16 kitaman27 wrote:On March 05 2015 04:07 AT.Epiphany wrote:
At this point, my main point of interest is getting into the dispute between Mocsta and Breshke. I'm confident that one of the two of these guys is definitely scum and that this isn't TOWN-TOWN Same post later on: On March 05 2015 04:07 AT.Epiphany wrote:
Also, I'm null on Breshke How can you say it's not town-town if you are NULL on Breshke? Your first sentence suggests that if Mocsta is town, Breshke is mafia, but your second suggests you don't have a read on Breshke. Could you elaborate here? I just mean I'm sure one of them is scum, but I'm not sure which. Why? Primarily because of the tone of the interaction with Mocsta tunnelling Breshke and the latter reacting to Mocsta as a threat. There doesn't seem to be even a bit of pause where either of them is considering the other to be on the same side, and that's usually not how I'd expect it in town vs town. What's more this wasn't really heated or personal either, and it doesn't look like an ego-clash the way people have interpreted Geript vs me (to clarify I still stick with my initial opinion of that, but there's no point going over that at the moment and ruining a constructive atmosphere) How does the bolded part make sense? Given the underlined if they are town-mafia, wouldn't the townie act like he would vs another town aswell -> still consider the other one as being on the same side at some point? Not if he thinks the other guy is deliberately picking on slips to fabricate a case, which is the first thing Breshke accuses Mocsta of...that's why I referred to the tone. I But what you're saying is: 1 of Mocsta or Breshke is mafia because they don't give pause. Therefore, 1 of Mocsta or Breshke is town. Hence, 1 of Mocsta or Breshke is town, yet they don't give pause. It's not making sense to me. I'm just saying whoever the townie is thinks the other guy is mafia and framing him. Obviously, they don't necessarily have to think that way, but the tone of this interaction clearly indicates they do. But why cant Mocsta be a townie who thanks Breshke is mafia and is framing him and Breshke be a townie who thanks Mocsta is mafia and is framing him? Still don't see why it's one or the other.
You're reading this as "necessarily is this way", while I'm saying "this is how the conversation looks to me".
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On March 05 2015 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Scumread on AT.Epiphany.
Half of the stuff he did on D1 was pushing geript. Then he said (on N1) he hasn't dropped his thoughts on geript but doesn't comment my -- geripts argument with anything.
I explained precisely (in that same post) why I didn't because geript would go bonkers everytime his name is mentioned, thereby derailing the thread and the atmosphere.
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Out of all the 4 in the cell, I suspect Sandroba the most. I scumread him on Day 1, and he hasn't done anything that changed my mind about this. I am inclined to believe tubesock is town, I don't really want to go into Onegu and Sicklucker so much, because we really can't afford mislycnhes at this stage and I'm really confident that Sandroba is mafia, and I don't want to dilute discussion in 3 or 4 directions.
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On March 05 2015 18:17 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 18:13 Breshke wrote:On March 05 2015 18:10 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 18:05 Onegu wrote:
Here is the problem Geript one of the loudest people in the thread would be pushing my lynch so hard if I didn't have a green check, dead townies don't talk. I really believe sandaroba isn't the lynch, I would be if I didn't get a green check.
And my play is really underwhelming this game I know so I am not sure I would have been able to save myself or not. I'm telling you it really doesn't make sense for him to fake a check on the person most likely to get lynched in this cell. If you are the least likely to get lynched then I would agree with you. But, I just find it hard to believe that you are. I honestly think you are the LEAST likely to be lynched here. I can't see how if you, Sick and I are town that you are actually the easiest mlynch. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point. It's really up to the thread to figure that out anyway. If you truly believe this is a true check, then you have to think I'm mafia. I'm doing a desparate play to survive. SL is just being SL. He's not mafia. I find it really weird that you are totally over suspecting SL. Like yes some of his more recent activty has looked good but his D1 and "D1 reads have been retarded because he apparently posted like only 1/4 of his thoughts. Also Geript/Mocsta if you could say what your device action was that would be great probs wont be important but ehh What do you mean? I've been really wishywashy on SL. The only thing I said about him that is scummy is he's not pissing me off which scares me. Now I think he's not mafia because I refuse to believe there are two mafia in this cell. Sandroba is the only one.
Tubesock, why do you "refuse to believe there are 2 mafia in the cell?". One is literally guaranteed and if you randomly choose 3 people from the remaining 18 or so, there's a pretty decent probability another one might be mafia.
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On March 05 2015 18:27 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 18:23 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 18:17 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 18:13 Breshke wrote:On March 05 2015 18:10 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 18:05 Onegu wrote:
Here is the problem Geript one of the loudest people in the thread would be pushing my lynch so hard if I didn't have a green check, dead townies don't talk. I really believe sandaroba isn't the lynch, I would be if I didn't get a green check.
And my play is really underwhelming this game I know so I am not sure I would have been able to save myself or not. I'm telling you it really doesn't make sense for him to fake a check on the person most likely to get lynched in this cell. If you are the least likely to get lynched then I would agree with you. But, I just find it hard to believe that you are. I honestly think you are the LEAST likely to be lynched here. I can't see how if you, Sick and I are town that you are actually the easiest mlynch. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point. It's really up to the thread to figure that out anyway. If you truly believe this is a true check, then you have to think I'm mafia. I'm doing a desparate play to survive. SL is just being SL. He's not mafia. I find it really weird that you are totally over suspecting SL. Like yes some of his more recent activty has looked good but his D1 and "D1 reads have been retarded because he apparently posted like only 1/4 of his thoughts. Also Geript/Mocsta if you could say what your device action was that would be great probs wont be important but ehh What do you mean? I've been really wishywashy on SL. The only thing I said about him that is scummy is he's not pissing me off which scares me. Now I think he's not mafia because I refuse to believe there are two mafia in this cell. Sandroba is the only one. Tubesock, why do you "refuse to believe there are 2 mafia in the cell?". One is literally guaranteed and if you randomly choose 3 people from the remaining 18 or so, there's a pretty decent probability another one might be mafia. OP says it's possible. But that would mean there is a 50% chance of landing on mafia and that's fucked up.
Except it would be a violation of the game rules if he ensured only one was mafia. The rules specifically state players will be randomly nominated.
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On March 05 2015 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 18:33 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 18:27 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 18:23 AT.Epiphany wrote:On March 05 2015 18:17 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 18:13 Breshke wrote:On March 05 2015 18:10 Tubesock wrote:On March 05 2015 18:05 Onegu wrote:
Here is the problem Geript one of the loudest people in the thread would be pushing my lynch so hard if I didn't have a green check, dead townies don't talk. I really believe sandaroba isn't the lynch, I would be if I didn't get a green check.
And my play is really underwhelming this game I know so I am not sure I would have been able to save myself or not. I'm telling you it really doesn't make sense for him to fake a check on the person most likely to get lynched in this cell. If you are the least likely to get lynched then I would agree with you. But, I just find it hard to believe that you are. I honestly think you are the LEAST likely to be lynched here. I can't see how if you, Sick and I are town that you are actually the easiest mlynch. I guess we have to agree to disagree on this point. It's really up to the thread to figure that out anyway. If you truly believe this is a true check, then you have to think I'm mafia. I'm doing a desparate play to survive. SL is just being SL. He's not mafia. I find it really weird that you are totally over suspecting SL. Like yes some of his more recent activty has looked good but his D1 and "D1 reads have been retarded because he apparently posted like only 1/4 of his thoughts. Also Geript/Mocsta if you could say what your device action was that would be great probs wont be important but ehh What do you mean? I've been really wishywashy on SL. The only thing I said about him that is scummy is he's not pissing me off which scares me. Now I think he's not mafia because I refuse to believe there are two mafia in this cell. Sandroba is the only one. Tubesock, why do you "refuse to believe there are 2 mafia in the cell?". One is literally guaranteed and if you randomly choose 3 people from the remaining 18 or so, there's a pretty decent probability another one might be mafia. OP says it's possible. But that would mean there is a 50% chance of landing on mafia and that's fucked up. Except it would be a violation of the game rules if he ensured only one was mafia. The rules specifically state players will be randomly nominated. Who gives a shit? We can only lynch one person today. Which two are the scum then?
You're getting me wrong. It's not irrelevant at all. Tubesock assumed there's only one mafia, which doesn't have to be the case according to the rules. I actually townread Tubesock, but one interpretation for this is obviously that only the Mafia would be absolutely sure how many Mafia were in there.
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Also, the first thing I said today is that I'm convinced Sandroba is mafia, it's rather obvious and we should lynch him. I was following up Tubesock's assumption because it's a strange one, given that the rules don't require only one mafia, and that if it actually is only one mafia, the Mafia are the only ones who could know that.
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On March 05 2015 19:08 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 18:50 AT.Epiphany wrote:
Also, the first thing I said today is that I'm convinced Sandroba is mafia, it's rather obvious and we should lynch him. I was following up Tubesock's assumption because it's a strange one, given that the rules don't require only one mafia, and that if it actually is only one mafia, the Mafia are the only ones who could know that. Its not obvious to me. Posts like this are noise. It convinces no one to tip their vote your way; and provides no one with an understanding of your point of view.
It seems to be a consensus at the moment, and I've already stated my reasons for scumreading him earlier. You can just read my filter to see them. There's no point elongating the thread by repeating arguments I've already made.
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