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sicklucker
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geript
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geript
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On March 07 2015 04:05 sicklucker wrote: The good towns that died told us to lynch sandro. The check could be his partner to save them both. To confuse us. Lazyness and not following the game. To set up a mislynch on him. Then he could greencheck you. Or greencheck Tube. Or greencheck like anyone. Or redcheck outside of the pod. Like if he wants to survive, removing the easiest mislynch in the pod only makes his job harder. That's literally all it does. So why does Sandro as mafia, make his goal to not get mislynched significnatly harder? | ||
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sicklucker
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On March 07 2015 04:09 geript wrote: Then he could greencheck you. Or greencheck Tube. Or greencheck like anyone. Or redcheck outside of the pod. Like if he wants to survive, removing the easiest mislynch in the pod only makes his job harder. That's literally all it does. So why does Sandro as mafia, make his goal to not get mislynched significnatly harder? How do you know sandro thinks onegus the easiest mislynch? To him me and tube are the newbs. Newbs are easier lynches. You also said yourself sandro does not try as mafia. So why are you overthinking his actions because if hes mafia hes putting in no effort. | ||
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sicklucker
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geript
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On March 07 2015 04:09 sicklucker wrote: Geript your not making sense. Your saying its mafia favored if town has a bad start. Then your saying its not fair if town catches a break with rng? No I'm not. I'm saying that Cell has a track record of 1 mafia 2 town. That's the setup of cell. The basic idea of it is if you find the mafia the other 2 are confirmed town. In a setup that ridiculously mafia favored, it would 100% be super bastard hosting to have 2 mafia in the cell. Like ridiculously super bastard hosting. Like that's fucking insane. | ||
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geript
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On March 07 2015 04:12 sicklucker wrote: Like its your opinion that onegu was an easy mislynch. But do you think mafia sandro even reads the thread? because by your own logic he would not. So would he not green check a random person? Or the player of the 3 he knows to be a more experienced player? Sandro isn't a fucking idiot. He wouldn't green check someone in his pod as mafia. He especially woudln't do it to the person who he could easily push the best. Like that's literally saying, "Everyone in this pod is town!!!" Like he 100% reads (or in the least skims) as mafia from what I've seen. He'd 100% know that Onegu is the easiest push in this pod. He 100% would be able to just fucking push Onegu to not get lynched. Like that'd be really fucking easy. | ||
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sandroba
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So I took some time to look at SL and tube's filter from day 1 and I found both extremely similar. Both start up going for the easy target koshi then end up "sheeping rayn" on his read on your mom. SL produces very little except from those two reads and tube despite creating his voting thing about the dayvig shot hardly commits to it at all. It's even hard to tell what person he actually wants to kill by the end of the day. And comes d2 both are 100% certain the other is town despite day 1 both being on 2 dead townies. And guess what, they are both spamming the thread trying to get another townie killed today aswel. They are both pretty tied together in "reads" and agenda and this is pretty clear to anyone who pays attention. Yes, I'm about 95% certain both of them are mafia and voting for either of them is a good option at this point. At first I found a little weird the reaction that SL gave when I announced my cop check, but now realising that it implicated both him and his partner it all makes sense in my head. | ||
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Tubesock
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You fucking started talking about how we should kill a ninja first. You hunt ninja. WHY? Look at the non obvious towns. Kurumi, Sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Batsnacks, me (who Rayne thought was ninja along with Obi), Oats, Onegu, Sepulchre, Slam, and Obi. I bet you thought about the odds of each of those players to flip ninja. Mafia QT probably decided Onegu was a safe bet, plus they could WIFOM how stupid it would be to fake a cellmate. More importantly, they need to protect against a 1 v 1. Getting a cell containing Sandroba was unlucky on mafia's part. Mafia needs to reduce the odds of a claim flipping ninja. The claim also has to be believable. Yet, you refuse to believe that there is a chance that none of the top towns are mafia, that all of them are bad or lurky. And also that if one of the top towns IS mafia then they are too stupid to know they have to plan to have an excuse they lived past night 2. | ||
IAmRobik
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Tubesock
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On March 07 2015 04:02 geript wrote: AFAIK. 1. Only Toad/Rayn scumread him. And Rayn's been fucking insane this game. + Show Spoiler + 2. Ok. Please explain how this is exactly his meta. Because I 100% know that you haven't actually meta'd him. You're literally just completely going based on what other people who have actually read his scum games have said. 3. Onegu was the obvious vote pre-claim. Like really fucking obvious. A guy who IIRC by your standards was also scumread by Toad/Rayn. 4. Sure Claims mean nothing this game in particular. But town only getting 4 roles on N1 would be insane. 5. Town spirit doesn't know the alignment of Sandro. True. So what. Doesn't mean that they can't figure out his actual alignment by you know, reading him. Like let's not forget 6: WHY IN THE FUCK DOES MAFIA SANDRO GREEN CHECK ONEGU THE MOST OBVIOUS LYNCH IN THE FUCKING LYNCH POOL? LIKE WHY DOES MAFIA SANDRO GREEN CHECK THE EASIEST PERSON TO LYNCH IN THE FUCKING CELL? Like neither you nor Tube are doing anything other than saying, "Oh he does it so he can live for 1 more day. Oh it helps keep KP and shit." Bullshit. Mafia does not remove the person who's at least as likely if not more likely to be lynched from within the cell. LET ME REPEAT. MAFIA DOES NOT REMOVE THE PERSON WHO IS MOST LIKELY TO BE LYNCHED IN THE CELL FROM THE FUCKING LYNCH POOL Like that's what Tube/SL are trying to push. That's the insanity of all of this. Like Onegu who we know has an honest opinion on this even fucking said it. Yet both Tube and SL are completely fucking ignoring this entirely. Liar. Rayne towned Onegu in his last list with the only revision concerning me being ninja. Toad, had Onegu as blank white in his excel sheet he posted. Rayne played well enough to get NK'd over you. | ||
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sandroba
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geript
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On March 07 2015 04:19 Tubesock wrote: There is risk in cop checking town as mafia. Mafia needs a "confirmed" town so they have an excuse to night kill them instead of any town leading mafia. The risk is that that "check" flips ninja and then it was a 1vs1. You fucking started talking about how we should kill a ninja first. You hunt ninja. WHY? Look at the non obvious towns. Kurumi, Sicklucker, Fecalfeast, Batsnacks, me (who Rayne thought was ninja along with Obi), Oats, Onegu, Sepulchre, Slam, and Obi. I bet you thought about the odds of each of those players to flip ninja. Mafia QT probably decided Onegu was a safe bet, plus they could WIFOM how stupid it would be to fake a cellmate. More importantly, they need to protect against a 1 v 1. Getting a cell containing Sandroba was unlucky on mafia's part. Mafia needs to reduce the odds of a claim flipping ninja. The claim also has to be believable. Yet, you refuse to believe that there is a chance that none of the top towns are mafia, that all of them are bad or lurky. And also that if one of the top towns IS mafia then they are too stupid to know they have to plan to have an excuse they lived past night 2. Point 1. Complete fail. Confirmed townies are #3 on the list of people to kill. Always #3. Below Roles and people who are able to read the game well and push lynches. Like this is insane. Point 2. I've already explained this. Ninjas on D1 are worse for town than mafia are. It's counter intuitive, but if you remove a Ninja on D1, then you remove 3 KP that is very likely to hit town from the game. That's far more than you get from hitting mafia on D1. Point 3. That's a big list of people who are quite likely to be mafia. GJ if you're town because you're a retard if you believe this shit. Point 4. WAT? Point 5. I think that there are "top town" who could be mafia. Like Robik only started posting after I bugged him. He's also a good enough player to be "salty" after not getting his shot. He's also done reasonably little and isn't following any sort of common sense read that I've seen him use in video mafia. I just don't fucking care to talk about them today because there's literally no point in that right now. I can't lynch Robik today. Kita could be mafia. I really haven't bothered looking at his filter since D1. | ||
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sicklucker
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On March 07 2015 04:21 IAmRobik wrote: I don't know what to think about the fact that sandroba isn't spamming "i'm the cop, gtfo me" Hes not a cop he was gifted a one time non alignment indignation check which is already used. | ||
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Tubesock
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On March 07 2015 04:28 geript wrote: Point 1. Complete fail. Confirmed townies are #3 on the list of people to kill. Always #3. Below Roles and people who are able to read the game well and push lynches. Like this is insane. Point 2. I've already explained this. Ninjas on D1 are worse for town than mafia are. It's counter intuitive, but if you remove a Ninja on D1, then you remove 3 KP that is very likely to hit town from the game. That's far more than you get from hitting mafia on D1. Point 3. That's a big list of people who are quite likely to be mafia. GJ if you're town because you're a retard if you believe this shit. Point 4. WAT? Point 5. I think that there are "top town" who could be mafia. Like Robik only started posting after I bugged him. He's also a good enough player to be "salty" after not getting his shot. He's also done reasonably little and isn't following any sort of common sense read that I've seen him use in video mafia. I just don't fucking care to talk about them today because there's literally no point in that right now. I can't lynch Robik today. Kita could be mafia. I really haven't bothered looking at his filter since D1. 10 suspects in a game with 8 nontowns is big? So, everyone should have only 8 suspects with full confidence in 100% accuracy? And funny that's not a town looking for mafia list. thats a mafia looking for ninja list. Outside of the claim people think Sandroba is mafia. Both nk'd towns died scumming Sandroba. But you're fighting and not considering that those people were correct. And if you die along with one of those I would suspect the remainder of being mafia. But they are not showing any indications that they will be saved somehow. You however are "towny" enough to have been given a gun by presumably the town spirit. You are already preemptively providing excuses for how you live. Robik and Kita are not even thinking about that. | ||
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geript
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Fuck this. Fuck this. I'm giong to get food and call an HR guy. I'm done arguing over this shit. I'm done. | ||
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sandroba
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geript
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On March 07 2015 04:39 Tubesock wrote: 10 suspects in a game with 8 nontowns is big? So, everyone should have only 8 suspects with full confidence in 100% accuracy? And funny that's not a town looking for mafia list. thats a mafia looking for ninja list. Outside of the claim people think Sandroba is mafia. Both nk'd towns died scumming Sandroba. But you're fighting and not considering that those people were correct. And if you die along with one of those I would suspect the remainder of being mafia. But they are not showing any indications that they will be saved somehow. You however are "towny" enough to have been given a gun by presumably the town spirit. You are already preemptively providing excuses for how you live. Robik and Kita are not even thinking about that. ![[image loading]](http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/7e/7e05cfb0d554c683769a319b95183ccc84f74d226488b8f3de7bd00b240d2bc1.jpg) | ||
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