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On January 29 2015 02:01 IAmRobik wrote:
HTS,
Do you think GB has shown a logical progression when it relates to me or do you think he's been contradicting himself constantly and flailing trying to come up with answers and random accusations?
To be quite honest, he's been disjointed in going on you but both of you are going after each other, so I'd need both of you to come up with something more substantial in gameplay aside from going OMGUS on each other. GB, to his credit has explained his play and why he's gripping between Palmar and Toad based on the play.
Meta arguments generally hold no water on me. I have had only one game played with GB and zero with you.
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EBWOP - Now I see your case after I posted the last post.
Yes I agreed and called him out before that your vote on me was trolling because of Holyflare. I said that before. I scumread him partially for that before.
And you aren't using meta in your case. Thank goodness.
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On January 29 2015 02:41 IAmRobik wrote:
BEING DISJOINTED AND ILLOGICAL IS NOT A META ARGUMENT. IT'S A SIGN OF MAFIA. YOU NEED TO STOP USING THE WORD META BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IT MEANS
Robik, calm down, that last post of mine was typed WHILST YOU WERE TYPING YOUR MASSIVE CASE.
I cannot edit it. It is best left ignored.
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And in this context I am using meta because GB's argument against you at some point was meta-based.
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On January 29 2015 02:45 Toadesstern wrote:
friends PC, something that I thought about on my way, Palmar as third party:
I hope you are joking.
This is a pure vanilla game. Why in the actual hell are you or anyone suggesting third party play?
I'm leaving the office, and headed for a dinner date. I'll be back.
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Damn me, it was a joke. Gah.
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On January 29 2015 03:25 Palmar wrote:
Kill toad
Piss off Palmar.
On January 29 2015 02:26 Cephiro wrote:A friendly reminder that this exists:Show nested quote +Spam:
Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here. Do not talk about Starcraft II here. Play Mafia here. This also means you should condense your posts when possible. 15 one-liners in 30 minutes is unacceptable.
##unvote
##vote Palmar
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3h until EoD.
What are we doing folks?
Palmar is not getting lynched, I don't see the votes or any indication, even with the trolling being utterly stupid.
I was however, unsatisfied with Lian's latest post. A bunch of theoreticals without evaluating content in the game. I can see why someone might think it's a good post because Lian is telling us to evalute X and Y on different types of criteria, but I'm pretty sure Eden at least was trying to examine the possibility of Onegu being scum or not being scum based on the decision to hammer or not hammer GB at least 10 pages prior to him posting that and when he couldn't, VE was questioning the validity of Onegu's post for at least a while.
GB and Onegu ALREADY have been getting evaluated on other criteria aside from the potential hammer incident. So, unless I'm reading it wrong, this is why Lian's latest post strikes me as him saying something just to say something. It's already been touched on, although not directly.
Yea he was in bed, so suppose that to consider, but why is he urging us to do it, it'd go further for him to do it himself (as I pointed out page 62).
3h until EoD, and it IS 50/50 that Liancourt would wake up in time...
He only has 2 votes, but will remove if I see he gets 4 before he awakes.
##unvote
##vote liancourt
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Eden, since you appear to be in thread, what do you think of Robik's positioning of GB?
He's hyper-focused on GB, but GB hasn't been all contributory aside from the exchange with Palmar. Robik also contends GB's read on him is not particularly progressive/not able to be followed easily.
My issue is that GB is pushing Robik when he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting lynched.
GB is not priority one for me but it makes me wonder.
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Ah, you ninjaed me. Great minds think alike.
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2h15m...well I hope people didn't AFK vote.
I'm going to be in here until EoD, ocassionally in and out of thread.
Really wish more people were here for consolidation, though it is still early for the Americans. Damn.
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On January 29 2015 05:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Robik has a pretty good argument for GB's read on him being fabricated. It kinda reminds me of my argument on liancourt initially except it's a better example.
I still kinda like Toad as a lynch, so I want to finish reading things related to him before I put a vote down since we're close to the consolidation phase. But I'm thinking my vote will end up on GB now.
Well we were asking GB for an explanation of his play for how long? I think that was the post that made people (myself included) reconsider his lynch. Could it have been contrived? I know you have him props for it, so...
Which Robik said we were all mistaken for.
I'm going to read that exchange again.
I hope Lian also shows up soon.
A lot of us have similar lynch lists, but if this day ends in a no-lynch I'm not going to be happy.
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Palmar and myself would make 4. But even if Palmar is town, he's even more tunnelled on Toad than I was on GB.
Liancourt, who I am certain is scum, had GB as #2 on his lynch list....but his vote is parked on Onegu atm.
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On January 29 2015 06:32 Eden1892 wrote:
Not sure what to make of that trap at this point tbh. Like my gut says that it's just not something mafia does, but my brain says there's nothing stopping them from doing it, and I think Robik has a really good point about the (non-)progression of GB's read on Robik specifically and his reads in general.
I'm not disputing you. At first glance, it just seems WIFOM when you consider both Palmar and GB were both saying their explanations were traps, with GB claiming to trap Palmar, and Palmar claiming to trap Toad.
I've never laid a trap like that in a majority instant lynch game. So I'm not sure what to make of it, or even if I should.
Because if you take that out, you still have my case, you still have Robik's arguments and you still have GB's relative lurkiness, you still have VE's argument on the dropping of the note dumps or however he put it.
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On January 29 2015 06:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Mainly cause I don't want you and Palmar flipping to make 4 on GB and then liancourt showing up and yolovoting GB
Yea, this is what is an issue, with GB being #2 on his lynch list.
VE also has yet to vote. If VE hammers it's a different story.
I'll stay on Lian.
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On January 29 2015 06:36 Eden1892 wrote:
I almost want to make Palmar really mad by trying to yolowagon VisceraEyes. Nothing pisses off Palmar and puts him in tryhard solve-the-game mode like lynching his top town d1, and I've gotten this vague feeling that he's mafia for a while now.
Vague feeling that who is mafia? Palmar or VE?
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On January 29 2015 06:42 Palmar wrote:
why do people insist I'm trolling? I'm not.
Are you out of your bloody mind?
Half your filter is "kill toad". You spent most of D1 trolling with other shit.
On January 29 2015 06:42 Palmar wrote:
Look he's not done jack shit.
You can say the same thing for Lian and to an extent GlowingBear.
On January 29 2015 06:42 Palmar wrote:
His defense when I started calling him out is that people "went crazy". He's super paranoid (started talking as if he was going to die with 1 vote on him) which means he's super sensitive to people going after him.
he is mafia.
You could say the same thing for GB too.
How is your case more substantiated than the ones on Lian and GB?
Are you townreading either of Lian or GB? If so, why?
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On January 29 2015 06:47 Eden1892 wrote:
Quote your case please because your filter now has over 100 ctrl-f-able "toad" in it and I'm not sifting through that.
His case is on page 37.
Yes, I actually remember that off the cuff, which is scary.
Even more scary, I have a 12 page D1 filter. None of my games I exceed 10 pages for an entire game.
Is hell freezing over yet?
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On January 29 2015 06:53 Eden1892 wrote:
Artanis should just give us a qt so we can stop posting so much. Amirite?
Just magically make us masons and call it a night 
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On January 29 2015 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:
I dunno man maybe I'm being a donkey. But I feel like if Palmar cared about getting Toad lynched he would be trying harder to be convincing, you know?
Maybe Palmar's the right lynch after all? I'm struggling to see why someone who knows the theory side of town game as well as Palmar would be so... almost deliberately ineffective at persuading people.
The two biggest townreads in the game have literally voted him for being spammy and trolly. If you're in his shoes and genuinely trying to convince people to vote for someone, surely you aren't gonna keep on like this, right?
You'd think.
But you want to know why I think he can get away with this?
Because we don't have the votes to take him out. Not now. Not yet.
I can see VE voting him, but Robik and GB are tunnelled on each other, Lian doesn't have Palmar on his radar, don't think Onegu does either.
Toad may have AFKed for the evening as well.
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EPT
