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On January 19 2015 02:35 TheWarWaffle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 02:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 02:23 TheWarWaffle wrote:On January 19 2015 00:10 LoneMeow wrote:On January 18 2015 12:11 TheWarWaffle wrote:
Trfel: Beginning the game with a policy vote, on one of the most veteran players, makes no sense from a town perspective. His concerns regarding LS seem odd considering he always posts this way. Indeed, many of Trfel's meta-reads are effectively useless. I don't know why he would be making meta-reads based on the fact that he is playing completely different than his previous game. There is a great deal of fluff in almost all of his posts if one looks close enough... excessive repetition of known facts, lengthening of paragraphs with "purple prose", etc.
How does the policy vote in first post make more sense from scum perspective? Where did Trfel give meta reads? I did not notice many of those in his filter. Please quote me some. It's not just about the policy vote; it's about how all of Trfel's actions coalesce into a very suspicious pile. The vote itself was suspicious in Trfel's meta-reads: rsoultin, I would like to know what you expected to gain from some of your later questions, particularly, "do you intend to scumhunt this game"? There is only one possible answer to that question. Also, do you have any thoughts on the rest of the thread? I'm surprised that you picked on my opening but not GlowingBear's opening, which is bad for reasons I have previously stated.
That said, rsoultin's questioning does fit with her town meta. For an example of this, see the opening of the most recent Newbie Mafia.
Rsoultin and jarjar, you two need to talk so that jarjar feels comfortable with Day 1. That aside, while jarjar's opening post is pretty horrible, he has given some useful thoughts since then. As for rsoultin, I feel that her play lines up exactly with (my knowledge of) her town meta. At the same time, WarWaffle seemed to provide many more reads in the previous game. I know this game hasn't been going for as long yet, but there has been more posting here. And last game he had lots of time issues as well (I know he said he had some in this game, I think, but they should be less than last game).
There are more, and there are posts made by him entirely on the topic of meta I will not post here. I am unsure as to how you may have missed them, considering what few reads Trfel has are all based of off predetermined ideas of what people should be doing. What is YOUR definition of meta, LoneMeow? WarWaffle, if we can't lynch Trfel today, do you still prefer GB? Absolutely. I'm leaning more towards GB than Trfel at the moment after having read both of their filters over and over again. Trfel at least pretends to be town; GB doesn't seem to care either way. Trfel will attempt to argue his way out of an accusation; GB will either ignore it or treat it like it's something other than what it is. I will leave my vote on Trfel as of now but GlowingBear is likely my EoD lynch target as of now.
Fuck it. This is what I missed on D1. I really am sorry WW. I should've caught this and seen you were town. This was a really good observation and why I should've wanted to lynch Trfel D1.
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Actually, that whole post is really, really fucking good. He comes up with the wrong analysis, but he made 2 really great observations that I had missed.
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I think I want to lynch Shining and here's why:
1. The JJB "catch"--One of the things that stuck out to me on D1 was the JJB "catch" regarding Doc/Cop setup. I really wish I had pressured him more over this. Like it's really not something that town tends to think of that much because for the most part, they really don't care.
2. Many of his posts are "over explainy"--Things just seemed to be hashed out in a longer, less effective way than they were in Newbie LX. Posts tend to be one long thought instead of separated but somewhat connected thoughts.
3. GB had a few decent points on him here:
On January 19 2015 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote:
Good find GB.
Shinings cote was horrible he said he was in between me and lm voting tried to hammer gb. And caught jarjar slip about the setup This makes no sense at all, because he was between you and LM and you were scumreading LM right? But then, he voted me, who was scumreading you. This guy really believe in busses or he is mafia.
On January 19 2015 10:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote:
Continuing my previous post:
Trfel - I don't know what to think of you from post to post. The early vote on Geript had me uneasy for the same reason I suspected ExO in my last game. Maybe it is a personal preference but early votes on Day 1 just dont feel right to me. You had nothing to go off of except a statement made pre-game. Had you just left it up until this point, I'd be even more skeptical but you unvoted. Because you finally started discussion or to try and get out of the spotlight? Regardless, I like the dialogue it has generated, as a lot of people commented on it, and as I read on, I feel I answered my own question, as you seem to have no problem staying in the spotlight, even after backing off Geript. I'm not convinced you're Town but you're talking and not shying away from questions. Not a good D1 lynch but null because nothing in particular about you is jumping out at me as town. You have all the reasons to town read Trfel but ends calling him null and I can't understand why. Oh so that's why you were scumreading me. Here is the thing: I like to throw unexplained stuff in the thread to get reactions, so I can gather information on people. I can use it to see who is actively reading and trying to solve the game, and it is a way of keep the thread discussion going on. It is a thing I've learned playing with Rayn (he does this a lot) and something town foolishness also does. I've said to Trfel that a way to generate discussion is doing controversial things and/or giving reads. Openings are very important because of that. The main proof of this is that this game already has 36 pages and the latest newbie game barely had 20 pages at night1. The one liners thing is dull. If you town read LS for posting things that comes from the top of his head, you can't scum read me for one liners, because that's just me not holding my thoughts. This is specially if you really believe this: Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 05:48 The Shining wrote:
Catching up from my last post. In response to your question of whether town or scum would think their posts through more.
DP - I find that Townies, especially paranoid townies, will second guess and double check and triple check everything someone is saying and doing. Our goal is to actively find scum and you don't do that without really thinking out your questions and responses. Scum does have to think out their posts, too, but I have also seen scum hastily post up a few thoughts just to increase their presence in the thread before fading back into the shadows. Which is exactly what happened EoD. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:
Damdred - I don't really like your last few posts either. GB brought a weak case against you and tried to push you and although you defended yourself, you went the extra step to say he is probably Town for this? You yourself said scum likes to paint townies as townies for free cred. You're also not sure who you want to lynch and haven't voted. I haven't, either, but I've already said I wanted to vote GB or LM. Are you just going to try to jump on the safest wagon?
I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play. This post is completely wrong. Yes, scum call townies town all the time, but NOT in the situation Damdred was. He was shot to get lynched and I was the second wagon. Damdred is much more likely to lynch me than to die. This is exactly why I decided damdred was town. Always remember that mafias objective is to survive. He wasn't willing to survive. Of course he can still be scum but the probability is WAY less than him being townie. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:04 The Shining wrote:
GB - You said you were coming at lurkers. Since then, I've posted a read on you leaning scum and asked you why the LS BS meter comment was something worth mentioning when it is LS, a player who in my short experience experiences with him seems throw whatever is on his mind out there.
You haven't so much as acknowledged me since except to say if you can't lynch Damdred, you want to push the lurkers in Breshke or myself. Why am I not seeing any pressure to do so? You voted Breshke but didnt respond to who addressed you directly. Instead, you made a weak case IMO against Damdred who has repeatedly said he is meh and burnt out. I'm not sure how much credit I want to give Damdred for those excuses but he did mention to me when he coached me last game that he was burning out. He also mentioned it when he convinced me to sign up for this game. I'm not fully buying it yet but in a scenario where you are scum and he is town, it seems like easy pickings to pick on a Town you've played with before, use meta as reasoning for him flip flopping on lynching you and take advantage of him not being as invested in the game as he could be. Damdreds scum meta is to not be involved. If he is getting tired of playing mafia and isn't involved because if that, well, I can't know. The only thing I know is his meta. Period. Sorry, I've skipped some posts while skimming through the thread, it seems I missed one of yours. And regarding not acknowledging you: ![[image loading]](http://41.media.tumblr.com/8276e2b065652480a2edbd0522aac367/tumblr_mjtiex5KeP1r0qyqbo1_500.png) I'm gonna stop here to tell you this: I've misread a lot of your posts. I thought you were saying that I didn't pressure damdred enough, but you were talking about lurkers. I also believed damdred when he said about the scumread on him and LM because I remembered the post your said you wouldn't be surprised if he was scum if I flipped town. After actually reading your filter win enough attention, you're clearly town to me. I rescind everything I said about you being scum. Although you have a very, very small filter.
The second point I've been back and forth on. But I think it's reasonable accurate-ish. It is interesting to note that both Damdred and GB picked up on the "scumreads Damdred, GB and LM but votes for GB." Coming from a game where pretty much no mafia bussed, it's a pretty odd thought imo. There's paranoia, but Shining in my (short) experience is a pretty methodical player and that seems rather odd coming from him.
4. I really like the point against him that he's quoting less. I know he says it's a pain and I completely sympathize with that as I often play from my phone and quoting from mobile is a real hassle especially when I want to quote multiple things. That said, for me it shows a level of caring and want to find the right lynch. It's something that, maybe incorrectly, I'm putting stock in, but I don't think it's something that should be ignored wholly.
5. This is to some extent wifomy, but in the immortal words of Teh Blazinghand the first of his name long shall he live and long may his shenanigans live in imfamy, "There's wine that's easier to drink and wine that's harder to drink." In this case, I find it to be the former. I think if Shining were town, when there was a slight push towards him near the EoD3 he would've been a much easier target than Breshke. Like if he's town, his lynch says little to nothing about Breshke/LM and town is likely to be wifom focused on them D4. Shining's pretty low impact this game and I think almost anyone could easily come up with reasons to head towards him easily. Except that for most of today and much of yesterday, few if any have really taken a hard look into him. Few care. For town, to some extent that can be normal. But he really feels like lynch bait and it's really odd to see lynch bait come up so infrequently if he's town.
##vote The Shining
I'll be around sporadically for the rest of the afternoon/evening. I'm going to look at rsoultin and DP next.
Sidenote: I think I'm going to blame not lynching Damdred on GB. I'm just going to sheep his townread for now and blame him for it if it's wrong. If he's town though I totally got there on my own for better reasons because meta.
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Day 4: Current Vote Count
rsoultin (0): Damdred
Damdred (0): rsoultin
Breshke (2): Damdred, DarthPunk
The Shining (1): geript
No-Lynch (2): Breshke, rsoultin
Not Voting (1): The Shining
Currently, Breshke is set to be lynched. Day 4 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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I can't explain how depressing it is to be the only person in the thread for the most part for the last 5-6 hours.
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I'm here now Geript.
I disagree I think that shining is town but hes afk town which is just as bad.
What do you think about what I said about if breshke town reading rsoul so hard?
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On January 27 2015 07:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm here now Geript.
I disagree I think that shining is town but hes afk town which is just as bad.
What do you think about what I said about if breshke town reading rsoul so hard?
I remember seeing it, but off the top of my head I don't specifically remember the argument/point. Can you point me to a post.
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On January 27 2015 07:51 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 07:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm here now Geript.
I disagree I think that shining is town but hes afk town which is just as bad.
What do you think about what I said about if breshke town reading rsoul so hard? I remember seeing it, but off the top of my head I don't specifically remember the argument/point. Can you point me to a post.
I'll just give you a summary, if breshke is scum he wouldn't town read his partner so hard. compared to other games where he either goes after partners or lightly town reads them
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Oh yeah that. I saw that while I was eating pizza. It's an interesting point and I really liked it. But it only works if Breshke is mafia; if he's town, kinda anything goes.
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Why do you think shining is town exactly btw?
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On January 27 2015 08:06 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 07:51 geript wrote:On January 27 2015 07:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm here now Geript.
I disagree I think that shining is town but hes afk town which is just as bad.
What do you think about what I said about if breshke town reading rsoul so hard? I remember seeing it, but off the top of my head I don't specifically remember the argument/point. Can you point me to a post. I'll just give you a summary, if breshke is scum he wouldn't town read his partner so hard. compared to other games where he either goes after partners or lightly town reads them
So you are now saying it is unlikely me and rsoultin are partners. Then who the hell are you saying im scum with because it could realistically ONLY be the shining who you just said you don't want to lynch
I like your case on the shining damded except for the less quotes thing because that's entirely understandable because play on a phone/tablet sucks ass. Also the tablet thing was mentioned before anyone brought up he was quoting less.
On January 26 2015 10:34 The Shining wrote:
Bresh, I agree, I saw the same in looking at LM's EoD actions. I was just curious if one part of your paranoid world is real, why not question the possibilities of other parts? Mainly because I couldn't see what DP saw in LM, either.
My reads haven't changed all that much. I'm almost as sure about you as I was about LM, which is why I'm listening to these other scum team theories. I was wrong once this game and could be wrong again, although I don't think I am. I was always going to suspect Damdred if LM flipped Town, I even mentioned that in my filter, but I don't see it possible for the two of you to be teammates. So either I'm wrong on you or wrong on him.
The only other slight question mark I have is DP, because of the LM townread and you letting him go so easily. I actually haven't looked into interactions between you two yet but now I want to. I'll have to come back for that.
RSo, there are 6 of us left. What I was getting at is if Breshke somehow does convince us all to no lynch, we still have 6. After Night 4, it'd be 5 with 2 scum. His reasoning looks good on the outside(get rid of a question mark) but it also allows another NK to get rid of our strongest Townie who could figure it all out.
Also, why so snappy with me? I did read. Anything DP-related after that is "idk still paranoid as shit about DP." And that is it. this is a very important lynch for Town. I'm paranoid of basically all of you after my last Mylo experience. I just felt like Bresh set himself up to pursue that train of thought, not chalk it up to paranoia. If anything, Mylo is the best day for theories like that.
At the risk of sounding conceited, Damdred and I would've played a much better game without towning each other and association if we both rolled scum together. He also was ready to lynch me as scum at one point over a misunderstood post alone. I doubt scum would do that to another scum without making sure it wasn't a misunderstandng beforehand. That's not to say I don't think he's scum because I've been on the fence about him basically all game. You are one of my strongest townreads but I'd like to see his case on you first, in case there really is something there I'm not seeing.
I do find a disconnect in his reads in this post. He seems to scum read myself and damdred and correctly says that we couldn't be a team. He then goes on to say that DP is his only other question mark. There is no mention of anyone else so this assumes he was town reading everyone else.
I then pointed out that if he was scumreading me he would have to scumread RSo because of the votecount and he then backtracks and says RSo is actually a question mark aswell.
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Post format, and tone and some of the things he points out look like his town game
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Just a look at your other games makes the pairing unlikely meh
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I really can't explain how much I just want this game to be over right now. Like everyone disagrees with all my reads and I can't make heads or tails of it.
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Geript is rsoultin town or scum
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Like there doesn't seem like there's really any "consensus" this guy is scum pick when you look at everyone's reads. For the most part the 3 experienced players are town reading each other. The 3 newer players are town reading each other. It's such a clusterfuck. Neither of those groups can agree with who their preferred lynch even is. I think we actually need to set the lynch today because otherwise it will likely be a race to the finish tomorrow and I don't think that will end well for town at all. Like that's pretty much gg at lylo.
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On January 27 2015 08:49 Damdred wrote:
Geript is rsoultin town or scum
I'm taking a break. I'll attack mount everest after I've chilled out for a bit. What I've read of her today and my initial read (which usually are my best reads), I'd say town.
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Rsoultin's protection of JJB feels as odd on the read through the first time.
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Oh and the Case on Trfel felt really weird in the timing. Feels like she just drops him and then goes guang ho on it again.
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I personally see a problem in the vets with generally ignoring vets and focusing on the weird/bad play of the newbies. It's super easy for scum to take advantage of. And super easy to misread new town as scum. Do you guys really all townread each other?
geript, answer me this: why are both you and DP still alive when mafia still has a roleblocker?
I've got schoolwork to do, but then I'll come back. If you have questions, I'll answer them. Otherwise just keep commenting on how weird it is that I'd know my own brother and the two players I've played with in every game here well enough to get a good read on them, lol.
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