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On January 02 2015 08:33 Vivax wrote: I'm sold, DrH. The 8 hours ago he seemed fine" part was enough for me.
##Vote TheChyz Watwatwat
So what is it that makes you go after Chyz right NOW? DH said the shit about 8 hours ago some time ago, long before batsnacks post (the one which you thought made me suspicious). Why is it that you are "sold" now and not back then???
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Everyone who thinks I'm the best lynch, feel free to say your best argument to why that is. I may or may not be able to answer you in a satisfying way. Right now I feel that some people are suspecting me for so BS reasons...
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On January 02 2015 08:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 08:45 Lazermonkey wrote: Everyone who thinks I'm the best lynch, feel free to say your best argument to why that is. I may or may not be able to answer you in a satisfying way. Right now I feel that some people are suspecting me for so BS reasons... Because you are always going with thread sentiment and gave really unimpressing reads earlier. Like when you singled out Robik who hadn't done anyhting as a scumread. I said Robik was a very weak scum read though. And sure, I got tunnely on Chyz but since when is tunnel = scum? Or what was the unimpressive reads you were talking about?
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On January 02 2015 08:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.
Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.
##Unvote ##Vote: geript Lazer this is the post in question, not your response to Damdred. Can you explain why you think TheChyz is a passable lynch for you after asking DrH to point out what his scum motivation is? If you can't see it for yourself why would you lynch him? Because, like I said, his play has been very bad this game. So a Chyz lynch would at the very least kill bad townie but had a potential to kill scum.
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On January 02 2015 08:48 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.
Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.
##Unvote ##Vote: geript Lazer this is the post in question, not your response to Damdred. Can you explain why you think TheChyz is a passable lynch for you after asking DrH to point out what his scum motivation is? If you can't see it for yourself why would you lynch him? Actually my point stands! DH posted about the "8 hour issue" long before the post you linked...
So basically you first read his argument about Chyz being scum, go on and read and then you start putting on suspicion on me and THEN you say you are convinced that Chyz is scum by the same argument you ignored earlier on. Am I understanding this correctly?
Trying to jump on the "better" wagon, are we?
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On January 02 2015 09:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 02 2015 08:48 Vivax wrote:On January 02 2015 02:46 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm having doubts about Chyz as well. I do think his play is bad and I don't agree with almost anything he has said this fair. But I'm not sure that makes him scum. He could just as well be bad town. I don't disagree with your case DH in the sense that I think all of Chyz plays are wierd and/or bad but can you explain his actions from a scum PoV? If something doesn't make sense from a town PoV but also doesn't make sense as scum, I don't think its a good reason to lynch someone for.
Granted, I would not be super sad if Chyz got lynched today. I do think he is a better lynch than say Robik. But I think geript is a much better lynch for today.
##Unvote ##Vote: geript Lazer this is the post in question, not your response to Damdred. Can you explain why you think TheChyz is a passable lynch for you after asking DrH to point out what his scum motivation is? If you can't see it for yourself why would you lynch him? Actually my point stands! DH posted about the "8 hour issue" long before the post you linked... So basically you first read his argument about Chyz being scum, go on and read and then you start putting on suspicion on me and THEN you say you are convinced that Chyz is scum by the same argument you ignored earlier on. Am I understanding this correctly? Trying to jump on the "better" wagon, are we? I didn't ignore an argument, I simply found it later. I still didn't read the whole game, I'm mostly focusing on stuff I find interesting that is brought up, and DrH did a good job at bringing his point up, plus your post looked interesting when bats brought it up. This is where I stand right now and it's not a complete picture but the place I'm starting from. Does that answer your question? Do you now know why the post I quoted there looks scummy to me? So I'm not really interested in arguing whether or not you actually found the post later or if you are just making it up right now to not look like shit. Its WIFOM. You answered my question though.
I understand your reasoning, though its wrong, and have explained why I posted what I posted.
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So I actually read through Chyz filter in Cultured really fast so take everything with a grain of salt.. I do think DH is correct in that he acted in a very different way in this game than he did in Cultured. He didn't seem to spew massive OMGUS at everyone who thought he was scum. I do think that makes Chyz look worse.
However, there is still a mayor difference in that he didn't have DH up his ass constantly that game. Especially for a new player that can have a great influence in how you play.
geript is still the better lynch of them imo.
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On January 02 2015 09:29 Palmar wrote:geript isn't even trying to defend himself. No matter his alignment now he should be lynched. If he is town this is rubbish play. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:05 geript wrote: Also, fwiw Artanis, I saw this lynch coming yesterday. Considering the situation, activity, etc. It's a really hard lynch to get out of and all I can do is do my best to steer who to next. This post is complete bullshit. The only reason he's in trouble is because he's not contributing to the game when he could have. There are 20 people in the game and no one is batting an eye because some players have less activity than normal. there is a reason that 19 people are not getting lynched and geript is. It's because what he has done this game amounts to basically nothing. In this kind of a situation, any town player will find the motivation to defend himself. He's hardly even attempting to do it. We need to kill him. And if he actually flips town, we need to call him bad postgame, because this kind of defense is basically unacceptable. All he had to do was to engage with a few people controlling the lynch, most importantly me, and change the read, but it's almost as if he doesn't think he can do it. There are only two options here. #1: geript thinks he's just terrible at town, has no ability to convince people, and is willing to sabotage town based on his incompetence. #2: geript is mafia and thinks he won't be able to imitate his town style in prolonged interrogation. I actually think geript has both confidence, and that he always plays to win. This defeatist attitude does not fit at all, so I'm hoping that option 2 is the one that is true and he simply has given up trying to fight the lynch.
Vivax is a very, very good candidate for being mafia. I have no problem with people going after him. This is a great post btw. I really think geript is the one who needs to die tonight...
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On January 02 2015 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:37 Lazermonkey wrote: So I actually read through Chyz filter in Cultured really fast so take everything with a grain of salt.. I do think DH is correct in that he acted in a very different way in this game than he did in Cultured. He didn't seem to spew massive OMGUS at everyone who thought he was scum. I do think that makes Chyz look worse.
However, there is still a mayor difference in that he didn't have DH up his ass constantly that game. Especially for a new player that can have a great influence in how you play.
geript is still the better lynch of them imo. Pretty sure he was getting tunneled in the game and he definitely was up for lynch and was mislynched. He wasnt emotional in the least, notice how when he martyrs fucking likem...two posts before that he's trying to buddy up to me and apologize or something. He backed.down soooo sheepishly and when it didnt work he did a 180 and tilted all the way I obviously only skimmed through his filter so I cannot say anything for certain but to me it didn't look like he was under the same sort of pressure that he is this game. His difference in meta is interesting and imo it makes him look worse. But I think it is somewhat possible that he just crumbled super hard under all pressure.
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I'm going to bed pretty soon. Maybe I can set alarm for lynch but I can't guarantee that. We really should consolidate though. Aim for only 2 candidates to chose between. Otherwise scum votes are much more powerful (relatively speaking). I think geript should die, but am willing to kill Chyz and maybe Vivax also. I'd prefer to keep Vivax untill tomorrow since he came into the thread relatively late.
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Meh, that kinda sucked.
Not going to post alot today, will be quite busy. Skimmed through the thread. Vivax looks bad. Chyz still looks bad. The people who ended up on batsnacks close to the lynch looks bad as well.
I'm actually really doubting my scum read on geript. He had a very suicidal mode during the end of the day + ended up voting Vivax despite the fact that it was clear that batsnacks was the only real option to his lynch. Especially BECAUSE he actually shed some suspicion at Bats before the lynch.
I don't think this mentality fits very well with scum and while it isn't the best town play either, suicidal town is far more common than suicidal scum.
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On January 02 2015 22:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote: ritoky GlowingBear geript Vivax Superbia LazerMonkey
None of these were on batsnacks yesterday. if geript is scum their is a BIG chance that sickluster/robik voted for batsnacks to save him. Or anybody. But nobody??? If geript is in fact scum (which I am starting to doubt) then this list doesn't make any sense. But if he is town, then scum had two townies to choose between.
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Not finished reading so prehaps someone already picked up on this. Anyway, take a look at Damdreds filter after the lynch. I think its really wierd to the point where I think its scummy. I feel the targets he is trying to push have been wierd and get the feeling that he is posting more to seem to be contributing than actually trying to figure out scum.
First, he talks about how he needs to get some sort of meta read on Superbia because he seems to see a connection. He then makes two posts about how he is looking at various games and then comes back with the conclusion that no connection was found. Why is it that he needs to SAY this in thread? Couldn't you just look it up and comment later on if he finds something interesting.
Then he talks about how SL and Eden looked bad but also that DH looked wierd. Maybe its just me but its seems really wierd that he proceeds to post more about DH than about SL and Eden. I have a hard time to understand WHY you would choose to focus DH here instead of SL or Eden.
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I actually Eden looks really town for this post.
On January 02 2015 08:21 Eden1892 wrote: Quick check in at work, Chyz looks like newbie town instead of mafia to me. He did a big pbp analysis of Lazermonkey which reminds me of all the times I've done pbp because I thought I really had something going.
I'm also a little worried about geript lynch being too easy, idk if that will actually stay my vote though. He already said earlier that he didn't really like the case on me and by saying this he is basically saying that 3 of the top suspects at the time (cba to check but IIRC we were basically the 3 top suspects at that time) are kinda meh. He obviously went back to suspecting geript and Chyz but why would you even make this post if you are scum then? couldn't he just fake being more determined to avoid looking flip-floppy and bandwagonny, which is kinda what he did now. For town this post makes much more sense though.
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EBWOP: I actually think Eden looks*
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Sorry for noob-question...
what is tmi and tli?
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I think its interesting that Vivax last two pages of filter basically only consists of pushing JAT and defending himself.
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On January 03 2015 10:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: vivax case on jat was bullshit if anyone wanna.revisit that gem Not only that but the fact that he spent so much time pushing for someone almost everyone has as town or at least leaning town in some way. Why not post about the more relevant players?
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