Wouldn't it make alot more sense for scum to be trying to go for a ritoky kill then?

Ritoky's fakeclaim made sure that he would die sooner or later, whereas superbia could've actually survived.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 19:36 GMT

#6909

So on the topic of scum probably wanting ritoky to die rather than Superbia, take a look at Palmar. Its true that Palmar said that Superbias was likely scum, yet when he was forced to chose between ritoky and someone else, his secondary scum read was Damdred not superbia. This is somewhat WIFOM, but it really fits the scum agenda in this case.

On January 08 2015 07:25 Palmar wrote:
I'm off to dota. I'll read later to see if robik is genuinely rescinding (I've missed the pages while making this flowchart).

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Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 19:43 GMT

#6911

On January 11 2015 04:39 marvellosity wrote:
do you think that palmar really thought anyone but ritoky/superbia were getting lynched though?

Why would he make that kind of post then though? Take a look at Palmar's filter and ctr + f "superbia". Its true that he said superbia was likely scum but he didn't do jack shit to push him. Compare this to "damdred", where its clear that Palmar was actively trying to get people on the Damdred wagon during D3.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 19:56 GMT

#6913

On January 11 2015 04:49 marvellosity wrote:
i dunno. why not? if Palmar's town then he thinks damdred is the best other wagon.

If he's mafia I don't think it's because of that.

But you said youself "do you think that palmar really thought anyone but ritoky/superbia were getting lynched though?". Why spend so much time close to the deadline to push someone who probably wasn't getting lynched and not comment on someone that you think think is scum but is likely to get lynched?

I don't think this is the strongest point against Palmar but at least something worth to consider.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 20:09 GMT

#6918

Ow, and I agree with that GB looks bad for defending Superbia the way he did. Just like I look scummy for doing that ;D.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 20:12 GMT

#6920

On January 11 2015 05:04 marvellosity wrote:
why wouldn't i be cautious? he said he'd defend himself from the lynch and that's what i'll mostly base my decision on

most of what he's done he could do as either alignment. the most suspicious thing for me is how he launched himself at me, then kinda afked and his 100% push on me was kinda gone when he got back.

I mean sure. But he has been on like all the wrong wagons this far. Especially for a player of his caliber, this should at least raise some warning signs.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 20:14 GMT

#6924

And to clarify my position on Palmar: I'm not entirely convinced that he is scum yet but the fact that he hasn't really done anything impressive this game + been on the wrong wagons + PoE makes it very likely that he is scum.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 20:22 GMT

#6930

No thats exactly what I posted one page ago lol.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 21:22 GMT

#6935

Without even reading SLs filter, 33 pages of filter is pretty town looking...

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 21:39 GMT

#6940

On January 11 2015 06:25 Vivax wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yeah you're right, good argument, I guess iI'll vote for you then.

Thanks for reminding me.

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Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 21:40 GMT

#6941

On January 11 2015 06:31 GlowingBear wrote:

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Yes. Or if ritoky was town.

Like, marv, Robik would get shot at night. This makes ritoky auto-scumread by people.

With Superbia lunching ritoky, people would still have to discuss if he is scum today

I'm like 95% sure ritoky would have been lynched today even if Robik wasn't shot today.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 21:45 GMT

#6943

On January 11 2015 06:44 GlowingBear wrote:

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You don't understand
Superbia had a motive to lynch even mafia!ritoky because it would be more beneficial to the team today. It would be harder to prove that Siperbia is scum.

It leaves just one option: ritoky is the framer

I disagree but okay.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 21:55 GMT

#6946

I'm not scum though.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 21:59 GMT

#6948

On January 11 2015 06:57 Vivax wrote:

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I'm an unicorn

Can't argue with that!

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 21:59 GMT

#6949

Shiet new icon!

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 10 2015 22:47 GMT

#6956

Vivax, just food for thought: Do you think I would've reevaluated my read on both you and Damdred if I was scum? I was kinda meh on you and now I'm quite certain you are town, and Damdred was my top scum read and I now see him as town as well. This would be, like you are saying, narrowing down my lynch options far too much.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 11 2015 19:11 GMT

#7204

Hi.

I've been busy all day today. Will be able to post for about 2 hours now.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 11 2015 19:17 GMT

#7205

On January 11 2015 12:11 Damdred wrote:

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On January 11 2015 12:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

On January 11 2015 11:55 Damdred wrote:

On January 11 2015 11:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred:

On January 11 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

On January 10 2015 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Artanis, do you mind expand on why my vote felt forced?

Because the entire day you kept edging closer and closer to a Superbia lynch despite not wanting to initially whilst keeping a bigger suspect all the while.

I asked both Kel and Damdred why but I think the failed to answer in a statisfying way.

You could say that during D1 your focus on Chyz which consisted only of rehashed arguments of people already made (such as my argument about him not doing anything useful after stating his problem with the Eden/Dr.H argument) made you a bit of a hypocrite in that regard, but I don't consider it a strong point unless Damdred/Kelsier can expand on it.

How would a townie act in my position? There were no other counterwagon but super and I'd rather kill someone who I defended and who my scum read voted for than a uncontested cop.

Of course it's understandable, but yet the way you got there feels scummy to me.

pls respond

LM entered the thread I believe with his accusations on chyz that sheeped what the rest of the thread had said and threw his vote down instantly, it didn't seem t be a pressure vote it seemed to be an actual vote that had intentin to kill. He never tried to really figure out alignments at that point in the game which was just hours into the game at that point I believe. He never asked questions to the person being scum read at that point just straight voted.

Can you point out to me in the vote thread when LM voted for Chyz exactly?

BH once said to me that a towny is scared to throw his vote around quickly and often in a serious fashion because townies on a whole are scared of getting it wrong and would rather have more understanding. (paraphrase obiously).

I think I need to have a talk with BH if this is actually what he believes. Votes are the best way to pressure people. Has every vote you've made this game been with the intention of killing that person and only that?

yea it wasn't in the vote thread it seems his first vote in the vote thread was for geript. His first post indicated a vote on chy but wasn't in the vote thread would have to ask lazer if it was pressure or if he was unaware of the vote thread.

Just so that you know, I didn't know the vote thread existed before when I posted that.

But like Artanis said, I don't think it matters that much.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 11 2015 19:28 GMT

#7208

GB, who are your town reads at this point? Like on a scale from: "pretty sure this guy is town" to "not very sure this guy is town.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 11 2015 19:50 GMT

#7212

Too many things about GB are pointing towards GB being scum atm I feel. There is no "SUPER SCUM MOVE" he has done but the at this point of the game I would expect scum to:

- not pushing superbia hard D1 and D2 (GB did that)

- defend superbia (GB did that)

- vote ritoky over superbia (GB did that)

- Not having alot of strong town reads right now (GB doesn't have that)

This coupled with the fact that there aren't even that many people that could potentially be scum at this point (PoE basically) makes it very very likely that GB is scum.