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Free townread for the first person to reply to this post. Unless you say something scummy of course | ||
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congrats jat - you're my best town read at the moment. It's a great honor so try not to mess up | ||
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On December 17 2014 05:30 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry my late entrance my mom told me that she was taking me to get a hair cut but we went to a couple stores and had lunch T_T I think the first post is just silly I would of expected that from sicklucker for meta reasons but not scib. Okay let's try to win this game plain and simple Anyone want to discuss with me? You seem to be implying that the silliness of my first post is scummy? If so, please explain why it is scummy. Or are you simply noting that it is silly? | ||
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Do you still think LS is scum? | ||
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I agree with Robik that Breshke looks like a very promising lynch. I'll post some of my thoughts on him after LS. SL is obviously very disconnected from the thread so he wouldn't be a bad lynch either. Still, I'd rather give him some time to get his act together. @marv Are you still around? If you had to pick a lynch right now, who would it be? | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:33 Damdred wrote: I actually have a few good town reads right now my top town is a surprise. Town Leans: Palmar is my top town, he shows what seems genuine interest. He pressures people is involved in almost every topic has follow up on what he says. Today Palmar is that top town. VE is most likely town I think, I probably wouldn't listen to people wanting to lynch him today unless he did some really out there. Robik I wouldn't lynch today at this point I have a pretty strong town feeling from him. Would lynch today: Kush: Where did kush go? He said he was reading but never did anything since, not saying that kush can't be lazy as town but he generally has some thoughts. SL: I think the gameplay is decently different and leaves something to be desired from his normal game play. I'm not sure about Bresh yet, and even though JAT is in the game I can not really remember much of what he has done so that worries me. And sciberbia making a town case and so many hard defending ls has me worried. @damdred Can you explain what you've seen from VE that makes you think he is town? His only reads so far seem to be slight town on marv and mafia on Palmar which you seem to strongly disagree with. Also, can you explain what you mean in the last sentence of that quote where something is worrying you? | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:48 Damdred wrote: LS has a ton of people hard defending him based on meta right out of the gate, and that concerns me honestly. Concerns you because you think LS is scum or you think the people defending him are scum? or both? For the record, I can only recall myself and Bereshke defending him. And I guess marv said the case was "icky" | ||
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On December 17 2014 05:52 Breshke wrote: I have never played with him but i think coag is town for how little he cares + Show Spoiler [2] + On December 17 2014 05:55 Breshke wrote: I see. Why do you think robik is reading him town then? + Show Spoiler [3] + On December 17 2014 07:21 Breshke wrote: Is this missing a comma because it reads like you are agreeing with me? A large majority of his posts a songs. He is being townread by robik who is one of the people leading the thread at the moment. What he is doing, while in theme, is spamming up the thread without actually contributing anything. Without contributing anything he has nothing to make himself look bad later. As town he would actually be posting words to help us find mafia. @Breshke Can you explain this sequence of events for me? 1) Breshke has a town read on coag for not caring 2) Palmar explains to Breshke that coag never cares as either alignment 3) 1.5 hours later, breshke is pushing to lynch coag on the basis that coag doesn't care to help us find mafia Doesn't compute. | ||
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On December 17 2014 12:34 Breshke wrote: It was early i was fine with him not caring because there wasn't much to go off. Then i specifically asked him to give reads and he basically refused to. If he refuses to give reads I will assume he has zero. Yes he might play like this often but right now i think it is likely he is mafia because as town he has no reason to withhold reads. Town needs to find and kill mafia to win whereas mafia can just survive. Do you think he is town scrib? I'm slightly leaning town on him only because he was the first to mention headbanging. Of course he could have read it from the OP but Coag does not strike me as the kind of guy to thoroughly read OP's. I think it is foolish to try to determine Coag's alignment from his lack of reads. Palmar said Coag does not care about winning the game as either alignment. It is safe to assume Palmar is not lying about this. If Coag does not care about winning the game as either alignment, why would not having reads make him mafia? Normal scumtells only apply to players that are trying to win the game. It's nigh on impossible to read players who aren't playing to win the game, which is Palmar and JAT suggested Coag would be a good vigi shot. He's almost impossible to read and useless if he is town anyway. What puzzles me is your assumption that a town coag would be actively trying to catch mafia, in the face of players who have played with him many times before telling you otherwise. You said yourself you've never played with him before. | ||
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On December 17 2014 12:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Yo I'm never EVER lynching Scib this game. Just sayin. <3 What do you think of Breshke and SL? | ||
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I find Damdred a bit suspicious because he has avoided substantiating reads. + Show Spoiler [read on VE] + On December 17 2014 11:48 Damdred wrote: I don't have to agree with all of someones reads to think that they are town overall or towny at the moment. VEis putting in effort which granted he can do as mafia but I can see where hes coming from and where hes going with what hes saying. Even though we come to different conclusions I can at least understand what hes doing. Kinda wishy/washy and unsubstantiated for a supposedly strong town read. Says you are putting in effort [granted you can do that as mafia]. And he "understands what you're doing". Just very vague. Like, by this point I have several specific things I could point to to justify my top couple town reads. + Show Spoiler [read on LS] + On December 17 2014 12:01 Damdred wrote: I am not sold either way. Someone shouldn't be judged obviously based solely on meta reasons. For example hen he was scum in student mafia it looked really really close to his town game and it was only a couple things that gave him away. So meta wise he is easy to copy. He seems to dismiss both Palmar's case and my post as inconclusive because they are based on meta reasons. But... they weren't at all based on meta reasons. In fact, neither Palmar nor I have even played with LS before. + Show Spoiler [Palmar] + On December 17 2014 05:59 Palmar wrote: Also, votes on LS people, bro is 84% mafia. Evidence 1 Inherent guilt. He's like the 4th person to post in the thread and apologizes for it. Evidence 2 If it wasn't scummy then what the hell is he trying to say? What does silly mean? What has it got to do with the game at all, and why bring it up as expected or not expected behavior if it isn't alignment indicative. Evidence 3 Highly aware of own meta, and uses it instantly to defend himself against what are basically shit accusations. Evidence 4 When confronted with what is basically a troll accusation, he immediately goes for the defense again. Further, he does not entertain the possibility that me or anyone else pushing him might be mafia, just straight up "look, I'm not mafia". Soooo.... we good? Kill LS? + Show Spoiler [me] + On December 17 2014 11:22 sciberbia wrote: I think LightningStrike is likely town for two reasons. Actually three but I'm omitting one.
I get the feeling he is scum and having trouble coming up with good, specific reasons to justify his stated reads. VE, were you getting the same feeling or do you disagree? @Damdred If you feel like VE is a solid read, can you point to something specific in his filter that you think he would not post as scum? | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:52 sicklucker wrote: Like my meta doesint tell me Ls is town yet still. I should read him better then most, I have a few reads that im waiting on too early. On December 17 2014 11:58 sicklucker wrote: Altho I do like sciberbia post ya all right ill town read him now. I was hesitant because of how he made this agenda to read me from my first post and expecting me to do some over the top shit to meta read me. He liked my reasoning why I wont always do that and it was probably just a coincidence so im cool with him. If ls is hesitant to vote anyone thats how you know hes mafia. On December 17 2014 12:02 sicklucker wrote: sciberbia town, palmer town, ls, town Its really early but not liking the other early posting vets like robik. They seem like sharks circling the newer players who have like 2 posts. Also coming back into the thread with only one scumread and that being on Robik would be a pretty brazen mafia move. What do you think Robik? | ||
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On December 17 2014 13:58 Damdred wrote: This next part is a lie, I say that I hate people hard defending LS based on meta, his meta was brought up by himself (which i really dislike) and bresh talked about it. I think LS has a scum tell that i'd rather not mention until later, but why lie about what I actually said. No where did I even talk about Palmars case you are making things up honestly. @Damdred My mistake. I was asking you specifically about Palmar's post and my post in a draft of my previous post, but must have ended up deleting it. Still though, Palmar made some points which were not related to meta. I made some points which were not related to meta. Did you not find any of those points convincing either? Or even worth commenting on in relation to Lightning's alignment? I agree with VE that Damdred looks a bit better for his response. | ||
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On December 17 2014 14:18 Damdred wrote: Then comes out of no where just two posts later to give one liners @damdred Well you missed the quote in the middle where he explains why he switches his mind on LS and presumably why he townreads me. On December 17 2014 11:58 sicklucker wrote: Altho I do like sciberbia post ya all right ill town read him now. I was hesitant because of how he made this agenda to read me from my first post and expecting me to do some over the top shit to meta read me. He liked my reasoning why I wont always do that and it was probably just a coincidence so im cool with him. If ls is hesitant to vote anyone thats how you know hes mafia. So his story kinda checks out right? He was nullish on LS, read my post on why I think LS is town and liked it, so as a result he has townreads on both myself and LS. The really concerning thing about sicklucker, to use your words, is that he is not "pushing the thread" or "pressuring people", which I assume is an established part of his town meta, right? | ||
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On December 17 2014 09:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: Scum Breshke- Though, there is one post that I really like that might actually move him to null for me @bunnies What was the post from Breshke that you really liked? | ||
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What specifically did you like about the first two posts? I agree regarding inconsistencies. What do you make of the following: (1) Implies useless =/= scummy and therefore we should not lynch kush + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2014 12:14 Breshke wrote: Do you think kush is useless town or useless mafia? Do you think you should be lynching people that are scummy or that are useless? (2) says kush is useful as town but not as mafia, which would seem to imply that we should lynch kush + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2014 12:18 Breshke wrote: I know the games you were refering to with kush SL and there is actually a difference in his play in the town game he actually gave some content whereas the scum gave he gave 0. To say he was useless both games would be wrong. Also (1) seems to be inconsistent with his original stance on Coag where Coag's uselessness implies scumminess | ||
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On December 17 2014 15:29 27ninjabunnies wrote: As for breshke's read, maybe he's played more games with Kush than I have? Idk. But if he's saying that kush is useless and should be lynched, wouldn't that imply Coag should be lynched too? But at first he's all for calling Coag town. To me it looks like he's saying that kush should not be lynched even though kush has been useless and kush is generally only useless as scum, which doesn't make any sense. Maybe I'm misreading. I'd be interested to hear other opinions on this. On December 17 2014 15:29 27ninjabunnies wrote: As for the other two posts, I'm not sure what I think. I don't really remember much from Kush's games I've played with him. But I do know that he does contribute sometimes as mafia, so I feel that kush not actually contributing depends on what he isn't contributing, not the fact that he isn't contributing. If that makes sense? So you think the mere fact that kush hasn't contributed is null? Do you find the actual content of his two posts scummy? | ||
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On December 17 2014 16:41 Breshke wrote: Do people expect him to stop playing like this? If so what do you actually plan on doing with him how long is he just going to not actually play the game. Well I think the consensus is vigi or failing that policy lynch. If he's not shot night and we're not too sure of any scum I think he'd be a good D2 lynch. Anyway, I guess I can buy your stances on kush and Coag. What's your read on bunnies? | ||
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On December 17 2014 17:49 justanothertownie wrote: It really isn't though. It is a very obvious thing to notice but while a towny should try to see it in context (and it is very easy to notice why I made that post in that case) scum is just happy to have found something that looks contradictory. Not saying that is the case here since bunnies did not seem to be very focused but it is certainly not a towny observation. Very much agree with this. NB is another one I'm leaning scum on. Bizzarely, the fact that everyone else thinks she is town/unreadable makes me think she might actually have the best chance of being scum. Maybe it's because her posts are on the surface agreeable which is very characteristic of decent scum players. I'll highlight a couple reasons I'm suspicous in my next post. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [initially lists him as scum] + On December 17 2014 09:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, I like lists posts. Deal with it. Here's where I'm at so far. Town Robik LS Me JAT Null Palm Coag Marv VE Scum Breshke- Though, there is one post that I really like that might actually move him to null for me, but all his other posts were shit. Kush SL I think that about covers it right? Yeah. I think Im missing like 2 people on this list out of like the thirteen. Damn, my day 1 reads just keep getting better. Also ##Unvote I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like her scumread on kush is trolling here. In order to be trolling you have to be doing something that you and other people will find entertaining. Like making a funny comment or putting a  face. Just including a lurker's name in a scumlist hardly qualifies as funny. Did anyone think she was trolling when she made this post?After bunnies leaves the thread, Palmar notes that her scumread on Kush is rather hard to justify. Bunnies response: On December 17 2014 14:53 27ninjabunnies wrote: As for my kush read, I call kush mafia atleast once every game we play. Plus his, I'm on page 9 post was super scummy. Now she has sorta backed off by saying she always calls kush mafia, but still maintains that one of his posts was scummy (unless maybe this is sarcasm? I'm not sure but I don't think so). I pressed her further concerning kush, and from what I can surmise, she now claims that his posting so far (or lack thereof) is null, and that her original read was just her trolling. But like I said earlier, including a lurker's name in your scumlist is a pretty lame troll. + Show Spoiler [claims she was trolling] + On December 17 2014 15:29 27ninjabunnies wrote: As for the other two posts, I'm not sure what I think. I don't really remember much from Kush's games I've played with him. But I do know that he does contribute sometimes as mafia, so I feel that kush not actually contributing depends on what he isn't contributing, not the fact that he isn't contributing. If that makes sense? On December 17 2014 15:47 27ninjabunnies wrote: My scum read on kush was such a troll read, tbh. I find it funny that pregame he said he was gonna spend more time on this game, and then has only contributed 2 posts, both which have absolutely no content. Second, she writes a case on breshke and basically rehashes what has already been said by others regarding his scumread on Coag and by Robik regarding that post at the end of the case. + Show Spoiler [case on breshke] + On December 17 2014 15:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: What I didn't like about him, which put him in my scum pile was this: He goes from seeing Coag as townie for his not caring, but when there is pressure on LS for his roleclaim, he tries to put more scum on Coag. And in one of the above posts where he's like, Why does Coag get a town pass? And this post Why does it matter that he is being town read by Robik? Unless Breshke views Robik as mafia and is trying to make a connection. There's just a bunch of inconsistencies with his posts about Coag. I'd have no problem with her just saying I agree to what's already been said. But rehashing old stuff is typical of mafia trying to look like they are contributing. Lastly, maybe nobody else buys into this, but I find it suspicious when a player pops quickly in and out of the thread without engaging in too much discussion. She entered the thread, dropped a few posts and left. A few hours later, entered, dropped a few posts and left. Actually feeling better about her being scum than anyone else right now. Will probably vote her before I go to bed. | ||
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On December 17 2014 18:20 Palmar wrote: I kinda wanna lynch sciberbia. Hi Palmar. Why do you wanna lynch me? | ||
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On December 17 2014 19:00 Palmar wrote: I'm not sure yet. Let me see if there is an actual reason to do it. Well I'm going to bed soon so if you want to discuss anything with me then get a move on. Also, what do you think of my post on ninjabunnies? | ||
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marv, damdred, bunnies, kush, sicklucker, and breshke Going to reread filters and narrow it down. I'll be around so let me know if there's anything you want to discuss. | ||
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On December 18 2014 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote: SL looked pretty defensive even though there were no votes on him. Not sure if this is townie or scummy? What do you guys think? Can you point me to some specific posts? SL is weird.. kinda think he is town though | ||
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On December 18 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote: Case on SL boils down to this (to me) He misrepresents certain things to make me look scummy. His reads have no backing behind them and are just one word.Most of them come out of the blue and do not change over time,the most telling of this is LS read which he did not even develop into just sheeped onto someone elses towncase. Complains about people poking at newer people but can't say why what they are doing is bad. Is not really scum hunting at all it seems. On Marv: Hes not being marv, not really giving much thoughts and his filter is really small for so far into d1  The underlined is not true. In fact his reads changing over time is a big reason I'm leaning town on him+ Show Spoiler + see my next post On December 18 2014 07:57 Damdred wrote: Like you aren't even telling people why im' scum in any of your posts you are just saying that you can read me well but don't show anything why i'm actually scum you just drop it. This is also not true. In the post you are quoting he says exactly why he thinks you are scum and the reason he gives is perfectly reasonable. It looks to me like you are misrepresnting him and not the other way around. | ||
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eh i mean you and damdred were calling him scum so it doesn't seem weird to me that he defends himself. I agree with VE that you overstate the importance of votes. Couple things on those pages that make me think town + Show Spoiler [concerned with vets] + On December 18 2014 05:28 sicklucker wrote: Why cant we lynch players like jat or robik as an example why is everyone listing only the weaker players on their kill list. Im more scared of the good players being mafia. players like breske and dandred would be super easy to figure out as mafia as the game goes on. Guys like robik not so much. Im not saying to lynch them if you dont scum read them. Im asking why dont you want to lynch them if you scum read them. So far alot of players have listed the same players as who they would lynch and its mostly new players. On December 18 2014 05:33 sicklucker wrote: Like I agree I dont have a good reason yet. But ill be watching them since no one else seems to be. On December 18 2014 07:08 sicklucker wrote: I like that almost all of his posts try to figure out the hard part of the game. (the vets and not focusing on the easy to read and mislynch newer players) Oh and his vote is on dandred. I sympathize with his desire to determine the vet's alignment moreso than newer players because I felt much the same when I was newer at mafia. It's the "hard" / "interesting" part of the game. He maintains good consistency in this attitude throughout his filter so it's more likely to be genuine. + Show Spoiler [changing his reads] + On December 18 2014 05:35 sicklucker wrote: And coug dandred brought up a good point hes tunneling me not you. I wouldnt lynch dandred yet. On December 18 2014 05:45 sicklucker wrote: Altho robiks town list is actually pretty good, I actually agree with it so hes looking alot better in my eyes. I just dont like that he leaves off the big qeustion marks like marv and jat but your answer makes sense im not slight scum reading you anymore On December 18 2014 05:49 sicklucker wrote: Ive listed people and dandred scum read me for it. Now that I remember that was actually really scummy. Town palmar, ls ,scib kinda like robik now tbh I know im gonna look bad for it shoulda read his town reads more closely. leaning scum breske dandred. I take back not lynching dandred today, I forgot how bad his case against me was after my 1 hour sleep. I also like when players, especially newer ones, spontaenously change their reads in the thread. Scum tend to be calculating and make plans, such as "I will push players X and Y today while defending player Z." Townies are more spontaneous. | ||
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On December 18 2014 11:56 Damdred wrote: Did you look at all of those filters and how is your scum list coming SL: leaning town see above you: leaning scum but I see a few redeeming qualities marv: leaning scum with no redeeming qualities still have to reread bunnies, breshke not much to say on kush | ||
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On December 18 2014 11:43 Breshke wrote: Can someone explain this wagon on marv a bit more i dont get it. He has done nothing this game but basically call me scum but there is others who have also done nothing. Is it expected that a town marv wouldn't play like this but a town kush would? Like i honestly don't know I have never played with marv before. free townreads man what's not to get. Honestly though, if neither kush nor marv post again before the end of the day, I'd probably vote kush over marv | ||
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On December 18 2014 12:20 Damdred wrote: ...His read sporadically changed to sheeping you from a town case you made. That is not developing a read, thats sheeping an ok post out of nothing. His reads haven't really changed but we will be arguing semantics as I will hold that he is not doing anything or scum hunting on this point. And no hes not explaining why I am scum, he is trying to show meta wise why I am scum when he is doing nothing of the sort. He is taking one game out of many where I have been scum and I was being super lazy, so no his reasoning is not good and its horrible. @Damdred Well idk how you define changing/developing reads, but to me it looks like the only reads he hasn't changed over the course of the game are the palmar one and possibly the sciberbia one. What is horrible about his argument that you are scum? He said you have been under the radar this game, and that you are mainly tunneling one person. Meta arguments aside, both of those are scum traits, and I would contend both are reasonable descriptions of your play this game. Do you disagree? | ||
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has anything that's been said by or about SL recently changed your opinion on him? How confident are you currently that he is scum? | ||
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On December 18 2014 12:59 Damdred wrote: I'm not getting the same thing you are with the quote stream about robik, he said things, he got pressured about it then backed off. I do not get a towny vibe from that at all, the only thing he has somewhat stuck to is scum reading me (which he doesn't have his vote on) and policy lynching kush until kush plays. So no nothing is really changing my read on him currently. 72% right now See before you were upset because his reads weren't changing, but now that I've pointed out that his reads are in fact changing, you are upset because there is only 1 thing he has stuck to. I'm not saying SL is definitely town, but the feeling I'm getting from you is that you're going to call him scum regardless of what he posts or any points that anyone else brings up in his defense. | ||
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On December 18 2014 13:26 Damdred wrote: But you are intent on hard defending him no matter what and twn reading him for no reason what so ever. In the context of the post the only thing he stuck to under a small amount of pressure was scum reading me. His town reads over the large didn't get him pressure. I"ll town read sl when he shows that he is town i'm not afraid to change reads ya know Man if you are town we think about this game completely differently. I'm going to stop thinking about the damdred vs SL storyline for now. I'd like to see you both make some cases on suspects other than each other. There's more than 1 scum in this game | ||
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I do agree with damdred that we need to see more from you. Popping in and out with one-liners and moving your vote around is not sufficient. Why don't you answer Breshke's question about why you are leaning scum on him? | ||
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On December 18 2014 00:17 27ninjabunnies wrote: Because I condense all my thoughts in one post. Or atleast try to. It was a troll vote, but more so to get Kush to talk. But kush hasnt talked. Kinda boring. Plus, like I said, I call kush mafia every game. I think he's been mafia like once or twice. I'm just waiting on him to actually do something. @bunnies You never voted Kush - you included his name in the scum section of your first list post back at the start of the game. Did you really think that was going to get kush to contribute more? What was the purpose of including his name in the scum section there? | ||
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supertown: scib, LS, jat probably town: palmar, robik leaning town: VE, SL null: coag leaning scum: damdred, breshke, bunnies, marv scummy: kush | ||
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On December 18 2014 18:35 sicklucker wrote: Also why so defensive? Do you really need me to ask? Well I asked but why dont you just give them which is where this is obviously going? Instead you try to deflect some bs on me instead of helping me read you, scummy. I agree Breshke's post is concerningly overdefensive. @jat what are you thinking about bunnies these days? | ||
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On December 18 2014 18:39 sicklucker wrote: Well I might miss the vote Its in 10 hours and I like to sleep long time. Do any of my scum reads/ have a chance to get voted? I dont like the marv train. Extremely hard to say what the main wagons will be in 10 hours time. Can't you just set an alarm for an hour before the deadline? | ||
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kush is probably also scum | ||
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I strongly think LS is town but not sure about other people in your list robik. Besides, lynching down a list takes all the fun out of the game. | ||
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On December 17 2014 06:03 marvellosity wrote: Palmar I suggest you go read a standard LS game. Your push is icky. Assuming Palmar is town, this is very good evidence for LS being town. I don't think marv would have defended LS from Palmar here if LS was scum. He'd be too worried about Palmar getting his lynch and then looking really bad for defending LS. | ||
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palmar and jat pretty much confirmed for the flip imo | ||
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On December 19 2014 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Also the fact that he keeps talking about being demotivated and how the game isn't fun and how there's not much more he can do. That sounds like defeated mafia to me, the kind of mafia who had their GF claim mafia on D1. I agree with this and also with Palmar that Damdred's entrance to the thread earlier is kinda scummy: On December 19 2014 01:18 Damdred wrote: Well ##Vote marv Like I slept on it and thought about it this morning. I still do not like SL, and scrib chainsaw defending SL has me weirded out but i'm going to try to ignore both and look at other filters. And showdown was awesome <3 He popped in and made this post and then left for another 2 hours. It reads like he didn't want to be left off the marv wagon, and very awkwardly justifies his vote. He is voting marv because he "slept on it and thought about it"? Just seems awkward | ||
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kush, damdred, breshke, coag | ||
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You just have a terrible tendency to not read my posts and ignore me | ||
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On December 19 2014 23:02 LightningStrike wrote: He said he got the right to be lazy because got 1 scum away :O @LS Besides kush, who would you consider voting for tomorrow? | ||
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On December 20 2014 02:06 IAmRobik wrote: LOL. So Coag comes into the game thinking "how am i going to make a joke as mafia to make people think that i'm vt. Oh, i'm gonna claim that i'm headbanging!" lol I mean that's totally plausible dude On December 20 2014 02:03 27ninjabunnies wrote: Ohmygosh the site is back up!!!!!! does she really always say stuff like this? I'm going to be so so sad if you're town bunnies | ||
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Gonna go with the misread blues as mafia excuse Anyway, Damdred's vet claim looks really fishy to me. My gut says he is SK but he could be mafia too. I'll explain more when I respond to bunnies with 3 scummiest and 3 towniest | ||
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On December 20 2014 05:06 Damdred wrote: Vig come and claim I'm the Vet, i was not shot, theres a serial killer that we have to find as well This is posted LITERALLY 1 minute after the daypost. I think it's fair to say the daypost was pretty damn interesting. I mean it wasn't like OK Palmar the VT has been shot. The daypost completely turned this game on it's head. We killed a mafia. We have a confirmed vig. We know that there is an SK. We lost our cop. If Damdred really was a veteran, don't you think he would think about it for more than 60 seconds before making this post about being veteran? It really feels like he had this planned as some sort of 'desperate big play'. He doesn't seem that surprised at 3 shots (which is why I'm leaning toward him being SK). He doesn't hesitate in making his claim. It just really feels like this is some part of desperate plan tracing back to his softclaim last night. You can tell reading his posts that he is dejected and not having fun and expects to be lynched. Seems like this is him hoping that we will either somehow not lynch him for claiming vet, or put him out of his misery | ||
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On December 20 2014 05:49 27ninjabunnies wrote: Everyone give their top 3 town/ Scum reads outside of me. This is a fair amount of repeating myself so I'm putting explanations in spoilers. scummy pile damdred + Show Spoiler + there's plenty on him in my filter. previous post also kush + Show Spoiler + He promised to be more active this game at the start. Then after 24 hours he said On December 17 2014 22:30 kushm4sta wrote: dont plynch me bros. i was just kinda busy yesterday This should imply he's going to be more active. But he hasn't been. Broken promises of activity is scummy. coag + Show Spoiler + process of elimination. He's basically null and everyone else looks townier. I honestly would not be surprised if damdred and kush are the remaining scum, but if either of them is town my money's on coag for the 4th. townie pile palmar + Show Spoiler + I've played with town palmar 3 times. He feels similar to all 3 town games and I don't think he's good enough at scum to fool me. Also, I really doubt marv would have consented to being bused by Palmar like that D1. I think what Palmar said was accurate: marv would have been more motivated to play if Palmar was his scummate. I guess that argument doesn't preclude Palmar from being SK. Now that I think about it, maybe Palmar could be SK but I really don't think he is mafia. LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + there's some stuff in my filter on him. I also have more stuff in my notes if you want it but the underlying assumption is that he does not seem like devious enough of a person to post the way he has as scum SL and VE are in between these two groups. I have some reasons to think they are town but I'm not as confident as I am about Palmar or LS. And sicklucker's attitude recently is not comforting. Going to reread some filters. I'm feeling really hopeful that we can just lynch damdred, kush, coag, and win ezpz. | ||
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On December 20 2014 07:13 Damdred wrote: There should be no other pr unclaimed we have flipped cop vet and big shot claim Well that's all well and good from your perspective if you're town but we don't know if you're telling the truth. For all we know, we have a medic and he doesn't want to claim for obvious reasons and you are lying. Also, did you really work all this out in the 60 seconds after the day post? You saw hm OK cop flipped vigi shot, so I'll claim veteran because we can't have a medic. Furthermore, I'm sure that I'll never get shot by either SK or mafia. It just seems hard to believe. I just don't see the town motivation for the claim. How do you think your claim has helped town? | ||
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Agree with Palmar. I reread Breshke's filter and at one point it seemed like he was offering up kush as an alternative lynch to marv. That combined with the fact that kush shows some possibity of picking up his activity makes damdred feel like the better lynch. @kush Seriously though pick up the activity or we're lynching you. If you are town I think I'll be able to townread you if you post enough. | ||
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Seems like he's getting more and more sour as the game goes worse and worse for scum. | ||
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Can you share why you think damdred is town? It really looks to me like he was hoping we would put him down as town for claiming blue, and now that it hasn't worked he's giving up. Also are you gonna be around for awhile? I'm working through all the filters and wouldn't mind someone to bounce ideas off of. | ||
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On December 20 2014 15:04 Damdred wrote: I guess ill just content myself with dying Talking about this. If you are town you should just keep playing man. No reason to just be content with dying. | ||
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On December 20 2014 15:46 Damdred wrote: That was really sarcastic considering i was talking about undefensible arguments basically OK good then let's keep talking. On December 20 2014 12:29 Damdred wrote: #1) I was never going to get shot during the course of this game. Their are at least 3 people ahead of me in towniness that would get shot before me 4 at the most currently. No amount of towniness would get me shot out of Palmar,Bunnies, scri etc. It just probably would not happen. #2) The amount of people left alive is a small number after last night. There are one mafia left and one serial killer. The amount of suspects is already at a all time low because of the Marv lynch and the amount of night kills and information we can gather from that, as such the best play was to have the vigilante claim (nb did so) which took away a potential mislynch as nb was not universally town read and it took out a mafia. As the game setup goes a third power role makes the most sense and therefore I claimed which is the correct play to get as much information out their. And a bit of wifom its suicide to claim vet in this circumstance as mafia or SK, and I am not a bad player. This is what I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around. The daypost was posted. You refreshed, read the daypost, thought all this through, and then made a post claiming vet, all within 60 seconds? Had you already decided to claim regardless of what news the daypost brought? | ||
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Also if you weren't necessarily planning on claiming vet, what were you planning to say about your softclaim when people asked you about it? | ||
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Hm your story is plausible. Not saying I approve of the play but you have me doubting my conviction that you're scum. On December 20 2014 04:54 Damdred wrote: Robik is more than likely town with a really horrible (sorry rob) town read on coag, that idk if its right or not. We will find out in just a few minutes. What did you mean by this? Did you just assume coag was going to be vig'd? | ||
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On December 20 2014 08:23 kushm4sta wrote: Why would I not say that I thought damdred looked town as town? I believed my conclusion was correct. Maybe no one is going to listen to it, but it did accomplish two things. 1 bragging rights if people lynched damdred eg. "lol i knew he was town u noobs" Sounds like the town kush I remember. He cracks me up. Honestly maybe we should just lynch Coag today since we're out of vigi shots, we don't want Coag living to the end of the game, and if he's town we also sure as fuck don't want him alive at LYLO | ||
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There's currently 9 alive. If we mislynch and lose two townies we are down to 6. Mislynch again and lose two townies and it comes down to mafia + SK + townie and we lost This is making me really want to lynch Coag actually. He is a guaranteed liability. And has a reasonable chance of being scum as well. What do you think about this line of thought damdred? | ||
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On December 20 2014 16:48 Damdred wrote: Well one thing that helps us a bit is that SK doesn't win with scum he has to win with himself so if we mislynch he might start hunting scum. Either way, I think we do have one free mislynch and then it starts getting tight, and coag is the most unreadable person in the game basically at this point and there is nothing to read him on either. I think he might be the best lynch today, What do you think of my thought that bresh sudden change on coag and the way bresh went about trying to get him lynched looks like a bus Hm idk. Nobody other than breshke ever showed any real interest in lynching coag, so I'm not sure that it's likely it was a "bus". In order for it to be a bus you have to actually get the person lynched and it just never looked likely yesterday that Coag was going to be the lynch. Not to be rude, but breshke was the only one pushing him and he isn't exactly a town leader What is possible is that marv told breshke that Coag was likely going to be vig'd night 1. So therefore breshke decided to change his town read to a scumread so that he would look good when Coag flipped. So I guess a "bus" in that sense is plausible. Really though that seems like a lot of guesswork to me. I think the best reason to think Coag is scum is marv's complete and utter lack of motivation to play the game. I could see why a marv/coag/breshke scumteam would be demoralizing, given that there was a lot of suspicion on both breshke and marv yesterday and coag obviously isn't going to carry. | ||
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I assume bolding means you agree? So who do you think we should lynch today between damdred and coag? | ||
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Says he could be convinced to vote marv On December 18 2014 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I could be convinced to do this. He said we would play today, and I got stood the fuck up. Then argues with bunnnies about how her logic for voting marv doesn't work. Doesn't defend marv, but he argues that there is no reason to think people like himself -- who said they could vote marv but haven't done so yet -- are scumbuddies with marv. Therefore argues that bunnies's logic for voting marv doesn't apply. So he's arguing against voting marv without actually defending marv. And also defending people who don't vote marv. + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2014 11:07 VisceraEyes wrote: This is pretty straight-forward and I understand the logic. My issue however is that this isn't video mafia, we aren't under formal and people who aren't currently voting for marv MIGHT be voting for marv by the end of the day, unlike in Video where people who aren't voting for marv....just gave him immunity. Video logic doesn't apply in this situation bby. On December 18 2014 11:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Because pressure votes don't work on marv and most people here (I think) know that. He'll tell you all day ury day. He doesn't afraid of anything as mafia, especially votes that are subject to change on a whim during Shenanny time (the last few hours of the day when everything is tossed out the window and the current actives decide the lynch) Soon after he failed to convince bunnies against her logic for voting marv, I voted marv. That made the 5th vote. Very soon after that VE voted marv in the game thread but NOT in the voting thread. On December 18 2014 11:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah this is a deal at twice the price. ##Unvote ##Vote: Marv In fact, after I pointed out to him that there is a voting thread, he voted kush in the voting thread without mentioning it in the game thread. On December 18 2014 13:26 sciberbia wrote: VE there's a voting thread for this game On December 18 2014 13:39 VisceraEyes wrote: this is in the voting thread ##Vote: kushm4sta This is especially suspicious since kush was the most likely counterwagon to marv and earlier in the day VE said he wouldn't be voting kush On December 17 2014 13:01 VisceraEyes wrote: You, sir, also have acquired a day-pass from me. Unlike scib's though yours expires after today, so if you don't want to be lynched tomorrow then you should use your time wisely. 12 hours later VE comes back to the thread and it is clear marv has given up. VE finally puts his vote on marv On December 18 2014 23:39 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: marv Son I am disappoint. For a newer player or an unknown entity, this has scum written all over it. The reason I pause for thought is that it's VE. Idk is voting for scum in the game thread but a different player in the voting thread too scummy to be scum? What do you guys who have played with VE think? | ||
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On December 20 2014 19:21 sicklucker wrote: Good finds but I dont see where ve says he wouldn't vote kush. Oh yea my bad. He was giving you a day pass not kush. I don't know why the hell I thought that he'd be giving kush a day pass. Hm I guess that's not /quite/ as bad then | ||
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On December 20 2014 19:34 sicklucker wrote: I think ve gets mad points for not pushing an easy lynch on me day 1 I was horrible eh I mean he gave you a day pass 8 hours after the start of the game so he couldn't have pushed you later even if he wanted to. I don't see why him not pushing you makes him town I'm not saying it's scumy or anything I just don't see why you think it's worth mad points marv was scum and he defend LS (who I'm presuming is town) early in the day, right? | ||
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I guess it's a slight point in his favor for not 'keeping his options open' as you say. I just think it's a small point. | ||
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On December 20 2014 20:07 Palmar wrote: It's weekend I won't do much today. Didn't mafia broski try to go after coag despite repeatedly being told coag is always shit? If I recall that correctly coag is probably town Did you read my post on VE? | ||
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I really think this is the direction we should go. Here are some facts about coag:
No other lynch has so many things going for them. Assuming kush continues to put in some small modicum of effort, he will be more readable and more dependable if he is town. I really think I can read him given more contributions. Damdred could very well be scum, and I don't trust his claim, but he is committed to contributing, which means not only will we get more information to read him, but if he is town his vote will be an asset in future days. We always knew we would either have to vig coag or policy lynch him at some point, and I don't think we should put it off any longer. If anyone is awake either vote with me or let me know why you disagree with lynching coag. | ||
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coagulation (1): sciberbia kush (2): VE, coag damdred (2): Palmar, sicklucker Not Voting (4): kush, lightningstrike, bunnies, damdred | ||
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On December 21 2014 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: SCIB/PALMAR/BUNNIES/ANYONE WHO THOUGHT SCIB'S CASE ON VE WAS GOOD: GET IN HERE AND EXPLAIN UR SHIT RIGHT EFFING NOW!!! I think my case on you was pretty reasonable VE. It's a case which shows possible strong mafia motivations consistent with your play. You can't really deny that. The reason I don't think it's a completely damning case is that I'm not sure whether your actions were inconsistent with what town VE could/would do. That's why I asked Palmar what he thought. So let's talk for a bit. On December 21 2014 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Like it's explicit in the thread that I had a townread on marv. EXPLICIT. Anyone who says I'm suspicious for defending MY TOWNREAD is fucking bad. And anyone who says that people voting in the voting thread but not here EVEN WHEN MY THOUGHTS ARE EXPLICIT IN THE THREAD, THEY are bad too. Anyone calling me anything but town in this town is fucking bad this game. This is kinda scummy bro. Here is what you actually said about marv: On December 18 2014 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I could be convinced to do this. He said we would play today, and I got stood the fuck up. On December 18 2014 11:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah this is a deal at twice the price. ##Unvote ##Vote: Marv It does not look to me like you have a townread on marv at this point. Saying you could be convinced to lynch him = you think there is a good chance he is scum, no? Your thoughts regarding the marv lynch are NOT explicit in the thread. That's a big part of why I find it suspicious that you argued with bunnies about her rationale in voting marv. | ||
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On December 21 2014 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Honestly I think it's far more likely that you're third party, but I'd believe mafia over town Vet. Why do you think it's far more likely Damdred is third party? Why did you change your mind? + Show Spoiler [yesterday] + On December 20 2014 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote: If Damdred is mafia fake-claiming that means that (presumably) there's another PR out there. Vet is EXACTLY the role I would fake-claim as mafia because it would draw out the Doctor claim considering a blue flip and a vig claim that hit mafia. Balancewise it wouldn't make much sense to have both a medic and a vet in the game, that wouldn't be fair to any of the anti-town factions (particularly one who has to kill, literally, everyone). And even if it doesn't draw out the other PR, Damdred rolls through with a Vet claim forever. There's a very slim chance that Damdred is SK who chose bulletproof, but honestly with the scrutiny he's under I can't see a lone-wolf coming out and fake-claiming. Actually....he COULD have chosen Investigation-Immune and is trusting mafia not to shoot him (because of the scrutiny) knowing that Bunnies' bullet is gone. That's actually worth thinking about. I honestly can't imagine a world where Damdred claims Vet as town. That's just bad play, and from my experience Damdred isn't a bad player. Gonna filter-dive a little bit tonight and see what I see. Focus will be on those I've listed as "Will Lynch With Fire" but as always I'm open to conversation on any topic. | ||
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On December 21 2014 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: My townread of Marv is explicit. Like, stop cherry-picking and actually read my filter if you think I'm mafia scib, not for things that "prove" your case, but for things that "disprove" it. For everyone's sake. What made me change my mind is exactly what I said. He said we would play and we didn't. His lack of involvement and his subsequent scumclaim made me OBVIOUSLY rethink my townread of him. Regarding Damdred, after thinking about it he would have to have a partner that either okayed his claim or was going to either bus or play along...it just seems too convoluted to come from mafia imo. But SK could claim Vet in any way he wants honestly. I've literally done it myself as SK. And think about it: as SK he doesn't have to worry about being vigged, and mafia are never going to shoot him...it's like the perfect play in his position. @VE I'm not cherry picking and I did read your entire filter. Earlier in the day you explained why you were thinking marv was town, which was fine. But then you changed your read to ???/scummy by saying you could be convinced to vote for him. That's why it's worrying that you were arguing against bunnies's logic for lynching marv, and not voting marv in the voting thread despite voting him in the game thread. | ||
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What do you think of the contributions from kush, damdred, and coag today? Has it affected your reads on them? What do you think of my logic for why we should lynch Coag today? I do think VE could be scum, but if we lynch him and he turns out to be town we're in big trouble. You're willing to take that risk? | ||
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On December 21 2014 12:17 kushm4sta wrote: sicklucker or ls could be scum. Hey kush. Can you explain why you think sicklucker and ls could be scum? Also, do you still think Palmar is scum? | ||
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On December 21 2014 13:21 kushm4sta wrote: palmar probably not. sicklucker is just a matter of i can't eliminate poe him for anything townie. And I mean if it's not him who is it? Can you point to what made you change your mind about Palmar? Also what are your thoughts on LightningStrike? You first had him as scummy, then changed your mind to townie, and now you are not sure? | ||
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coag and kush now look like they are willing to play the game, so it is no longer the correct play to policy lynch them. If they are town they can help us. Here is why I think VE is scum His defense of my first case is scummy and insufficient On December 21 2014 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I never said I wouldn't vote for Kush, I said I wouldn't vote for sicklucker and marv, but marv claimed scum so I voted for marv. If you want to vote for me for breaking my promise and voting a mafia then by all means, but that's losing play every day and I'm town so get the fuck on. On December 21 2014 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Like it's explicit in the thread that I had a townread on marv. EXPLICIT. Anyone who says I'm suspicious for defending MY TOWNREAD is fucking bad. This is misrepresenting both what happened in the thread on D1 and my original case on VE. In the quotes above, VE is trying to tell a story that goes like this:
Now that story sounds fine (besides the fact he TR a scum I guess). But this is NOT an accurate story. It's twisted and does not answer to the core of my first case. In between points 1 and 2, VE made a post saying that he "could be convinced to vote for marv" --> implies he thinks marv could be scum. Therefore, when he was arguing against bunnies logic for voting marv, he was not arguing against lynching his townread, but rather his ???/scum read. Furthermore, VE voted marv in the game thread BEFORE marv gave up. His reasoning for doing so is not explicit in the thread. All he said about marv is that marv stood him up. And remember, he voted KUSH in the voting thread rather than marv. Only later after marv had clearly given up did VE vote for him. He seems infinitely more concerned with not getting lynched himself than finding scum Since Breshke was shot, the last mafia is a lone wolf. That means that their goal during the day is to get anybody lynched but themself. Let's see how VE has approached D2. votes kush and also calls damdred likely scum + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2014 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Vote: kushm4sta No Palmar, you promised. I sheeped you onto marv, now you return the favor. On December 20 2014 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote: If Damdred is mafia fake-claiming that means that (presumably) there's another PR out there. Vet is EXACTLY the role I would fake-claim as mafia because it would draw out the Doctor claim considering a blue flip and a vig claim that hit mafia. Balancewise it wouldn't make much sense to have both a medic and a vet in the game, that wouldn't be fair to any of the anti-town factions (particularly one who has to kill, literally, everyone). And even if it doesn't draw out the other PR, Damdred rolls through with a Vet claim forever. There's a very slim chance that Damdred is SK who chose bulletproof, but honestly with the scrutiny he's under I can't see a lone-wolf coming out and fake-claiming. Actually....he COULD have chosen Investigation-Immune and is trusting mafia not to shoot him (because of the scrutiny) knowing that Bunnies' bullet is gone. That's actually worth thinking about. I honestly can't imagine a world where Damdred claims Vet as town. That's just bad play, and from my experience Damdred isn't a bad player. Gonna filter-dive a little bit tonight and see what I see. Focus will be on those I've listed as "Will Lynch With Fire" but as always I'm open to conversation on any topic. On December 21 2014 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I'm never moving my vote today unless someone not-kush actually claims scum again. Which WOULD be fantastic. He hasn't been scumhunting today. There's no evidence that he's reading filters. In fact the whole game I 've felt he's been slightly subdued for VE, but didn't think much of it until now. Now look what what happens when he thinks he's in danger of getting lynched. All of a sudden he explodes. The majority of his energy today has been used berating people who think he is scum. + Show Spoiler [defending himself] + On December 21 2014 02:35 VisceraEyes wrote: What in the holy fuck did I wake up to? On December 21 2014 02:37 VisceraEyes wrote: I never said I wouldn't vote for Kush, I said I wouldn't vote for sicklucker and marv, but marv claimed scum so I voted for marv. If you want to vote for me for breaking my promise and voting a mafia then by all means, but that's losing play every day and I'm town so get the fuck on. On December 21 2014 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote: And all of you people who missed that nodding your head in assent should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. On December 21 2014 02:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Especially Palmar. Fucking disgusting. On December 21 2014 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Like it's explicit in the thread that I had a townread on marv. EXPLICIT. Anyone who says I'm suspicious for defending MY TOWNREAD is fucking bad. And anyone who says that people voting in the voting thread but not here EVEN WHEN MY THOUGHTS ARE EXPLICIT IN THE THREAD, THEY are bad too. Anyone calling me anything but town in this town is fucking bad this game. On December 21 2014 02:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Palmar get back in here and explain yourself! You just almost sheeped a fucking bad case onto a townie, and you're GOING to explain yourself! On December 21 2014 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I refuted Bunnies' logic because it's based on video logic where there is ONE vote on someone and if that vote doesn't pass that person gets immunity. I wasn't even trying to get her to change her mind, only to rethink the notion that people NOT voting for marv ARE necessarily mafia, because I wasn't voting for marv and I'm town. I have a VESTED INTEREST in changing that aspect of her mind, to win the game for town. On December 21 2014 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I would have just been all "No idiots, marv is town gtfo" if I were mafia with marv. I don't care what he may or may not have instructed his team to do in the QT, I would have fought for a mislynch on D1. On December 21 2014 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not getting lynched. I'm laying the smack down on shitty logic. Don't like it? Stop providing it. On December 21 2014 04:07 VisceraEyes wrote: SCIB/PALMAR/BUNNIES/ANYONE WHO THOUGHT SCIB'S CASE ON VE WAS GOOD: GET IN HERE AND EXPLAIN UR SHIT RIGHT EFFING NOW!!! On December 21 2014 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: My point is that many of the names I listed are literally just nodding in assent. Bunnies has retracted support for my lynch but others are adding sentiment to this game that is anti-town. Scib could just be mistaken, as he literally says something that's not true. I'm assuming that based on that, his mind could feasibly change because I had him as town before this. But others who are just passively adding sentiment to a VE lynch are being anti-town and they need to answer for it. On December 21 2014 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: My townread of Marv is explicit. Like, stop cherry-picking and actually read my filter if you think I'm mafia scib, not for things that "prove" your case, but for things that "disprove" it. For everyone's sake. What made me change my mind is exactly what I said. He said we would play and we didn't. His lack of involvement and his subsequent scumclaim made me OBVIOUSLY rethink my townread of him. Regarding Damdred, after thinking about it he would have to have a partner that either okayed his claim or was going to either bus or play along...it just seems too convoluted to come from mafia imo. But SK could claim Vet in any way he wants honestly. I've literally done it myself as SK. And think about it: as SK he doesn't have to worry about being vigged, and mafia are never going to shoot him...it's like the perfect play in his position. Just look at all those posts. The monstruous disparity between his passion in scumhunting (relatively low) and passion in defending himself (extremely high) is the biggest reason I think he is scum. He has not worked that hard today to show why kush is mafia. He hasn't been going out of his way to drill kush in the thread. But he'll go to hell and back to defend himself from my original case, which if you'll notice didn't even have a vote. Scumslip? VE has refused to lynch anyone but kush all day. He acts as if he is very confident kush is mafia On December 21 2014 05:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone not voting for Kush needs to explain in detail why they aren't voting for mafia. Now look at this post On December 21 2014 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Kush is voting for me because I backstabbed him in Big Brother. Everyone else voting for me has no fucking excuse. Looks like a scumslip. What do you guys think? If VE really thinks kush is scum, then being scum is plenty of reason to vote for a town VE. What is this about backstabbing in Big Brother? It makes no sense. Furthermore, he is saying kush has no excuse for voting VE. If VE truly thinks kush is mafia, it doesn't make any sense to say whether kush's vote is excusable or inexcusable. Mafia votes cannot be criticized on logic the same way town votes can. VE if you're town I'm sorry and I'm gonna feel really bad but my gut says you're scum. And I don't think I'm wrong. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Scib I can't "drill" kush when he's not here, and you can see clearly that when he's around I DO in fact drill Kush. You're just inventing this narrative because you think you're right and you're not. Fucking move on bro. VE can you show me where you drilled kush because I don't see it. I see 1 post today where you ask kush a question or push him to do something, and you only made that post because he specifically asked you to push him to do something On December 21 2014 12:30 kushm4sta wrote: how do i prove my towniness to you ve? On December 21 2014 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Find mafia. Stop bitching about not having time or whatever and just fucking do it. Or conversely, explain the reads you have given with some amount of supporting reasoning. Like do you think I should be instead voting for Coag? Why or why not? He's been around a bit and you could have asked him more questions. Honestly if I am just completely missing something in your filter show me, but it looks like you decided to vote kush at the beginning of the day and never considered chaning your mind or getting more information. How can you be so sure he is mafia? Sure he's been fairly inactive but so is Coag. Are you saying they are both 100% scum? | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote: Coag knows Kush better than I do, and if you think I'm mafia you have to think Coag is town and HE thinks that Kush is mafia and not me now. In fact, HE knows me better than YOU do scib, and HE has been defending me this day. You're just WRONG scib. Dude come on this is just making me more confident you are scum. Do you really think I'm going to go against my perfectly good reasons to think you are scum, and my gut telling me so, just because Coag, who is barely reading the game, thinks you are town and kush is mafia. You're either scum or you severely underestimate my self-confidence. | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Your perfectly good reasons are literally ALL narratives you've assigned to them. Are they reasonable? Maybe, but I don't care because my (true) town motivations are explicit in the thread. You're fucking ignoring them. Whatever dude. I'm not saying it's impossible you are town but I think I've demonstrated sufficiently to myself and everyone else that your recent filter looks more like scum than town. Also are you going to answer this or admit that the bolded is a lie (or at least very far from the truth)? On December 21 2014 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Scib I can't "drill" kush when he's not here, and you can see clearly that when he's around I DO in fact drill Kush. You're just inventing this narrative because you think you're right and you're not. Fucking move on bro. On December 21 2014 15:28 sciberbia wrote: VE can you show me where you drilled kush because I don't see it. I see 1 post today where you ask kush a question or push him to do something, and you only made that post because he specifically asked you to push him to do something | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Because Kush as town likes to comment on things he thinks are fishy or questionable. He has opinions on things and kush has just been completely demotivated this game. And it's not just that he's having a slump or whatever, he's literally modding another game on a different site, so you'd think he'd have fervor in a game he's actually playing. But he's not. Because he's mafia. If Kush is scum and there's only 1 left then that makes Coag town. Whatever, I've seen Coag do this as town. I haven't really seen Kush COMPLETELY clock out as town before. I think you're scum VE but I'm not so arrogant as to say I can't be wrong, so I will look at kush's past games as mafia and town and see for myself how truthful you are being here. On December 21 2014 15:10 kushm4sta wrote: my last activity today will be this vote for VE. scriberia's case seems so right. @kush I'm glad you like my case but come on man if you're town you're making this so hard on me. Please don't make me regret my decision to vote VE by doing nothing and ignoring questions I ask you. I just asked you to explain your thought process -- not even go do any actual work. I'm willing to do the heavy lifting around here, but it shouldn't be that hard to answer my questions. + Show Spoiler [my post] + On December 21 2014 13:25 sciberbia wrote: Can you point to what made you change your mind about Palmar? Also what are your thoughts on LightningStrike? You first had him as scummy, then changed your mind to townie, and now you are not sure? | ||
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On December 21 2014 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Scib I can't "drill" kush when he's not here, and you can see clearly that when he's around I DO in fact drill Kush. Remember this quote because it is a blatant lie. I asked VE to show me where he has been drilling kush, but he ignored this question in his next couple posts. So let's go back and see how kush and VE have interacted today, shall we? Kush enters the thread at 3:56 and makes a few posts. VE is also in the thread at the time making posts. He ignores kush. A couple hours later kush makes a few more posts and concludes with this On December 20 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote: I hope this modicum of activity has made me a less desirable lynch than coag. VE responds with this On December 20 2014 08:32 VisceraEyes wrote: It certainly doesn't hurt. Thx for ur time Kush. This is in no way, shape, or form "driling" kush. Later VE wakes up and starts responding to my first case on him. Kush makes a post @VE to which VE responds in a purely defensive manner, explaining himself to kush. + Show Spoiler [interaction] + On December 21 2014 02:51 kushm4sta wrote: um no. im voting for you because of scriberia's case on you. How you weirdly refuted the case against marv without defending him. On December 21 2014 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I refuted Bunnies' logic because it's based on video logic where there is ONE vote on someone and if that vote doesn't pass that person gets immunity. I wasn't even trying to get her to change her mind, only to rethink the notion that people NOT voting for marv ARE necessarily mafia, because I wasn't voting for marv and I'm town. I have a VESTED INTEREST in changing that aspect of her mind, to win the game for town. A few hours later, kush tells VE that my case on him was convincing. VE again responds without questioning kush or pushing him to do anything, or trying to confirm that he is mafia. + Show Spoiler [interaction] + On December 21 2014 05:03 kushm4sta wrote: Ve, Scribs case was convincing. You should recognize that even if you're town. On December 21 2014 05:22 VisceraEyes wrote: My point is that many of the names I listed are literally just nodding in assent. Bunnies has retracted support for my lynch but others are adding sentiment to this game that is anti-town. Scib could just be mistaken, as he literally says something that's not true. I'm assuming that based on that, his mind could feasibly change because I had him as town before this. But others who are just passively adding sentiment to a VE lynch are being anti-town and they need to answer for it. Kush has to EXPLICITLY ask VE to pressure him before VE tells kush how he can prove his towniness. + Show Spoiler [interaction] + On December 21 2014 12:30 kushm4sta wrote: how do i prove my towniness to you ve? On December 21 2014 12:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Find mafia. Stop bitching about not having time or whatever and just fucking do it. Or conversely, explain the reads you have given with some amount of supporting reasoning. Like do you think I should be instead voting for Coag? Why or why not? If VE is town, he should have made this post WAY earlier in the day, and should not have needed prompting from kush to do it. VE is not interested in finding mafia. He is lying and otherwise twisting the truth all over the place in his defense from my cases. Needs to die. Today. | ||
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I'm pretty sure I've found mafia. Please read all of my D2 posts on VE, and read VE's responses to them. His defense at this point is basically "lawl you can't get the votes". If you agree, which I really think/hope you will, help me get him lynched. On December 21 2014 00:56 Palmar wrote: @scib: 2) Regarding Coag, can you go double check the breshke interaction with coag. I think Breshke was really adamant about trying to lynch coag for not contributing, and if that is correctly remembered, it was almost certainly not a bus. In response to this, yes Breshke did vote coag for not contributing, and tried to push a scumread on coag in spite of other people telling him that you can't read coag like that. I agree you could consider this evidence against Coag being mafia. The thing is I'm feeling pretty good about VE being the 3rd mafia right now, and this Breske stuff is completely irrelevant to whether or not Coag is SK. Let's see what VE flips first and proceed from there. You down with that? | ||
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Glad you agree on VE Can you switch your vote to VE now? Currently kush has 3 and VE has 3. Whoever gets to 4 first wins the tiebreak if it comes to that, so it would be good if you could vote VE now. You can always change your mind later although I don't see why you would. | ||
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On December 21 2014 20:34 Palmar wrote: The case on Damdred is that he's not a dumbass. In fact Damdred is quite smart. So when smart people do dumb things, I assume something is up. But ok, it's not like I'm going to be around to whip up votes anyway, and you seem really convinced. Also, VE saying that it's "asinine to lynch him over people like coag or kush" is of course right, but the fact he points it out is sort of mafia. Just out of curiosity, did you read the entire thread and do you still think Damdred might be a more surefire lynch than VE? VE tries to defend like one small point in my cases, and can't even satisfactorily defend that one point. At the risk of jinxing myself, I'm not that worried about him flipping town. It would be horrible if he does but I don't think it's gonna happen. | ||
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Whatever I'm just going to resist the temptation to yell at you since you're drunk and I doubt I'm getting lynched. If you want to talk more later I'd be happy to explain in detail why your post makes no sense. | ||
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On December 21 2014 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I like how scib lies and says he's not so arrogant that he can't admit that he could be wrong, but then does NOT go and look over Kush' past games. Instead, composing a FURTHER case based on the semantics over me using the words "drilled kush" instead of doing what he said he was doing, reading over Kush's games to see that I'm right. Scib may actually be mafia here and I've been wrong this whole time. Scib what was the last game you were mafia in? As a matter of fact I did look through a couple kush filters. I looked at one town and one scum. Both had about the same amount of involvement in the game, and were similar to his involvement here on D2. Kush could be scum. I really don't know but I don't think it's some guaranteed thing like you are claiming. Why I am having to go through the past filters of YOUR scumread anyway? If you want to get him lynched it is on YOU to demonstrate why he is scum, which you have not done http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/435582-back-to-the-basics-mini-mafia | ||
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On December 21 2014 23:29 sicklucker wrote: The thing is theres like a 2in5 chance the mafia and sk kill each other. So like it really kills my motivation and I feel it should and is in other players too. And the person your targeting is the best possible mislynch for both. If kush or coag are killed wh o cares honestly were gonna have to kill them eventually. If you kill ve you buy yourself a day which usually determines games. idk sicklucker I'm just trying to win the game here. Personally, I would not have to rely on a 2 in 5 chance that the mafia and SK shoot each other. I'm trying to lynch VE because I think he's scum. I can't help it if you thought he was town. Judge my cases on their merit. If he looks like scum then he looks like scum and it doesn't matter what the average reads were on him at the beginning of the day. | ||
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On December 22 2014 00:14 Damdred wrote: Duck ok. I thought I could get by on a vet claim and scrum ignore me. I protected Palomar last night and was going to protect bunnies tonight and laugh Tommorow. It was a plan maybe bad I'm sorry If you're medic why did you soft claim blue night 1? | ||
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Why would you concoct this plan with soft claiming and fake claiming vet? What is the town motivation for it? | ||
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Didn't catch he was medic where? There wasn't any reason to think he was medic until he just claimed it 10 minutes ago. Also, have you read the thread? I'm pretty sure VE is scum. Not sure about kush. I'd love it if you could move your vote to VE if not damdred. | ||
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On December 22 2014 00:41 LightningStrike wrote: Now that I think about it Damdred could of used the Vet claim to get the SK and Scum team to not target him so he could heal other people but failed to save the ones that were attacked. OK my problem with this theory is as follows: As sicklucker siad, it seemed pretty unlikely that anyone was going to shoot damdred last night. There were so many townier looking targets to choose from. Why does he need some elaborate plan to not get shot? He knew he wasn't getting shot. In fact by softclaiming blue he introduced the possibility of him getting shot, when before his soft claim there really wasn't any. Honestly even given with all this extremely dubious stuff with damdred, I'm still feeling more confident in my VE read. I just feel that good about my VE read. | ||
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if you have any time at all, it would be really really great if you could read the cases on VE in my filter. My case on him is very very good. I think he would be a much better lynch than kush today. | ||
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On December 22 2014 00:47 sicklucker wrote: Honestly if you think hes 50/50 medic/mafia we need to lynch him here to reduce kp. Maybe even if its like 30/70 lol. I dont see how we cant lynch him. My vote stands OK now what if VE is 90/10 mafia/town. How about we lynch VE? I need to look more at damdred but I just feel so confident in a VE lynch. Most likely scenario seems to be SK = damdred and mafia = VE. | ||
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On December 22 2014 00:28 Damdred wrote: Cause like I said, IDK why Rob got sifting from what I said all I said was you never want to lynch me and then two p as he's about how I ducking sifted. So I was kinda in a bind, like I ignored it then to try not to draw attention. Like the whole thing wad stupid and I had to do something stupid. @Damdred Can you explain more what you are saying here? | ||
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On December 22 2014 01:00 Damdred wrote: Why would you talk about if someone sifted for as long as you guys did during the ducking night? It's insane if you think someone sifted don't talk about it. 1) you draw scrums attention to it 2) person has to answer the next day what they meant Knowing how the games setup shows three town or 1 sk 1 mafia left. Town could scratcher off mafia ignores me until I make a save. Its a good plan in avacume. And all you people saying lynch down a list of 've then damdred will lose the game. Especially taking two coinflips to lylo First of all, can you spend more time typing your posts to make them readable. Sorry but all the typos are really annoying 2 questions 1) Why did you softclaim in the first place if you are medic? 2) Why do you think VE looks town? | ||
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On December 22 2014 01:07 Damdred wrote: Your just being bad and trying to lynch an UN ccd pr it's ok Are you talking to me? I'm trying to lynch VE actually and I'm trying to figure out your alignment so if you could answer my questions that would be great. God this game is making me want to rip my hair out right now. | ||
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On December 22 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote: I'm on the phone so not really most of it is auto correct or what not so gotta make due. Do you literally believe that I sat there and said I'm going to say you don't want to lynch me and I meant that to be taken as a soft? I'm not saying that it doesn't color what you write when you have extra information but I didn't expect rob to run with that phrase or the thread to talk so much during the night about it. Cause he's angry, involved not lurky and involved ineverythingevenif it makes him look meh sometimes I agree it doesn't make any sense to intentionally soft claim as medic there. So when you saw robik and others start talking about how you soft claimed, why didn't you say something like "Guys that was NOT a softclaim I just don't think you should ever lynch me because I'm town." I saw you had one post like "robik misread that post two ways". Were you talking about your soft claim or something else there? Also, have you read the whole thread including my cases on VE? | ||
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On December 22 2014 01:15 Palmar wrote: Okay, I can get behind that amount of dumb from damdred. so let's lynch one of sciberbia and VE I guess? Yea let's do that. And there's only one right answer here. Palmar, have you read the whole thread including me going back and forth with VE last night? | ||
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Just look at what he has been doing recently. Parks vote on kush all day and refuses to move it. Then sicklucker votes me. VE goes, sure why the fuck not? He has said all game he has been townreading me. Even in his defense of my cases he was saying things like "You think you are right but you're wrong." Jumps on my wagon without showing in any way how I'm scum. Then Palmar comes in and rejuvenates the wagon on damdred. VE goes, sure why the fuck not? Anyone but me will do!! And he jumps on the damdred wagon. Read the thread it's all right here. I have no idea how you guys don't think he is scum if you're reading the thread. Whenever I ask you guys if you're reading the thread though, you don't answer or say no. So maybe you are not reading the thread. Well I AM reading the thread. And you know who we should be lynching today? It's VE. | ||
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@Palmar OK Palmar. I understand that you are busy. I'm trying to carry the game here, so I just need you to read my posts, acknowledge that they are good, and then sheep me. If you haven't already, please read this post and at least the next page or so. Preferably just keep reading until you catch up. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia?page=68#1352 After you have done that, if you are still not convinced, look at how VE has down JACK SHIT today to find scum. All he's done is defend himself and hop onto any bandwaggon that does not have the words VisceraEyes in front of the vote count. | ||
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On December 22 2014 01:44 LightningStrike wrote: Scib I not moving on the Damdred train and rather go for VE so you can count on my support for your case. I appreciate it LightningStrike. Thanks for your support. @Palmar Palmar I am very confident that if you spend enough time reading the thread, then you will see VE is the best lynch. Nobody so far has been able to tell me they have read the whole thread and do not think VE is the best lynch. The problem is that half the thread is currently drunk, high on meds, phone posting, or broken down on some road somewhere, so even though the evidence is in the thread, nobody is reading the thread and we have a huge clusterfuck of people who don't know what's going on. So just take some time and read the thread please. Unless you are SK or something and trolling me in which case fuck you | ||
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On December 22 2014 02:09 Palmar wrote: Bro I'm already sheepish you. I don't even care enough to read. We can deal with fallout if there is any tomorrow OK well good. I don't think you'll be disappointed. If I'm wrong I'll deal with the consequences. | ||
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On December 22 2014 02:19 kushm4sta wrote: it's so obvious you're mafia dude. can you just give up or something? who are you talking to? VE? He's not in the thread right now | ||
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On December 22 2014 05:08 LightningStrike wrote: Nice job Scip <3 you <3 thanks for your vote. Nice job yourself. omg I'm so relieved. I told you guys. Actually I thought he was mafia but hey I'll take it. Like I was pretty sure I was right but still thank god | ||
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On December 22 2014 05:09 Palmar wrote: And yeah, amazing job Scib, that was a really good push. On December 22 2014 05:13 Palmar wrote: to be honest, I mostly sheeped you not because I actually read your case all that well. You were just so damn sure you were right and you really, really wanted this lynch, that I thought "well he's so into this that he must at least have got something". Gee thanks Palmar lol You know just because not reading my posts worked out for you this time doesn't mean you should maintain the same policy in future : P On December 22 2014 05:15 LightningStrike wrote: I had read the case myself and thought it was pretty damn good and sure enough it was SK although no Mafia XD. Great job man. The SK flip makes damdred look better I think | ||
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On December 22 2014 05:20 Damdred wrote: I didn't think ve was mafia. That's a good lynch though I think it makes you look better because you looked more like SK than mafia, and it turns out you're not SK. Also Palmar says you're town and he was smart enough to sheep me so that's pretty smart. Thanks again to LS and kush for pushing VE with me. Couldn't have done it without you guys <3 kush could still be mafia though. Honestly not sure who the last mafia is right now. Gonna take a well-deserved break and then look at things with fresh perspective. | ||
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On December 22 2014 22:59 LightningStrike wrote: I'm not going to lynch you so you count on me. LS you're way too honest man. You're supposed to tell Palmar that you're gonna lynch him if he doesn't find mafia tomorrow. Look, he was just getting all motivated. | ||
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Damdred is probably town. Confirmed town Palmar said this On December 22 2014 05:29 Palmar wrote: Now he's an blue without a cc, and we must definitely have had 3 blues against 3 mafia and 1 sk. Maybe we should look up past games to confirm this, but unless anybody else is claiming blue, seems likely he is town. | ||
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FF2: 14 players | 4 mafia | 5 blue Guilty: 13 players | 3 mafia + SK | 4 blue neat & tidy: 13 players | 3 mafia | 3 blue (weak) world cup: 13 players | 3 mafia | 2 blue cultured: 13 players | 3 mafia | 3 blue back to basics: 12 players | 3 mafia | 1 blue golden sun: 15 players | 3 mafia + survivor | 4 blue (weak) Seems like Damdred kinda has to be medic. Meh. It's just really annoying, because if we consider him to be comfired town but then this game turns out to be really scum-favored like the Back to the Basics game, we'll lose. This is why I hate semi-open setups. Anyway, if anybody else is blue you should claim. Otherwise, I think we should just consider him town and blame the balance team if we lose because of it. | ||
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On December 23 2014 11:05 kushm4sta wrote: so sicklucker is scum? idk maybe. you have a good argument why? | ||
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On December 23 2014 11:09 LightningStrike wrote: He didn't seem to act much like he did on Student IV and Christmas Carol game( Carol of the Bells Mafia) but I think him defending Breshke and Marv is kind of odd but so was their defense on me when I'm not scum but otherwise I don't got much on him. @LS Why do you think that Coag calling Palmar scum implies that Coag is the scum? | ||
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On December 23 2014 11:15 kushm4sta wrote: Hi scrib. I was really convinced by your case but do you realize that VE being SK made it almost completely wrong? Thoughts on that? Who are you looking among for scum? kush sicklucker coag ls ?? @kush Hey man the first case was kinda wrong but the second case was still pretty spot on imo. The points about him not scumhunting and being overdefensive still stick regardless of whether he was SK or mafia. So I was a combination of lucky and good. I'm mainly looking among you, sicklucker, and coag for scum. The troubling thing is that if any of you 3 is scum you probably should have conceded by now, right? That makes me worry that either damdred is the luckiest scum alive, or that I've been wrong all game about LS being town. + Show Spoiler + On December 23 2014 11:13 LightningStrike wrote: Well now I look like a idiot for it but nevermind on this because Coag is just being Coag. I just found it amusing. ##Unvote @LS Can you explain your thought process a bit more? Why did you think it made Coag scum? Who do you think is scum now? I'm not sure myself and I'm love to hear some convincing arguments if you have any | ||
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On December 23 2014 11:30 kushm4sta wrote: @scrib I think you are overestimating the likelihood scum would surrender. The defense "I would surrender by now" is extremely easy to think of, and potent. There are, what, 2 or 3 mislynches? One of us could be hoping that damdred gets conspiracy theory lynched. On December 23 2014 11:32 kushm4sta wrote: i mean i did defend myself with the "i would surrender by now"argument, but honestly i probably wouldn't surrender. ..... this is kinda scummy dude. Why you gotta lie to us? | ||
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On December 23 2014 12:14 LightningStrike wrote: Scib how do you feel about kush putting himself on his own lynch list? I find it very scummy and yes his post about" defending himself with the I would surrender by now arguement" at the top of this page kind of scummy myself since it's contradicting his entire post on it. Honestly LS I think he was just asking me about who I want to lynch. I don't really see it as a slip. It would be like if I asked you: "LS who would you most like to lynch between me, coag, and sicklucker". The contradicting himself is kind of scummy though since he basically lied to us | ||
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On December 23 2014 12:32 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred and Scib you guys want to lynch Kush today because of his actions through the game? Earlier I made a case on him and dismissed as he answered why he was inactive earlier but since then he been extremely active.Some of his posts were contradicting each other like him not going to read the thread saying it was to much but he seemed to read the thread though and his post about his defense on defending himself with the I would surrender now and saying that someone might not which seems scummy to say that. OK I'm down to lynch Kush too. I agree with almost all of what Damdred is saying ##Vote: Kush | ||
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On December 23 2014 12:44 sciberbia wrote: OK I'm down to lynch Kush too. I agree with almost all of what Damdred is saying  | ||
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On December 23 2014 12:48 Damdred wrote: haha, it was good for a laugh. Anyway yea we just need to kill kush and coag. It's cool haha. I know for sure I'm town, but obviously you don't + Show Spoiler + unless you're scum | ||
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On December 23 2014 17:12 Damdred wrote: Right now I am really considering jat or rob was rb n1 and SK killed them letting sc into confirmed town status. That towncase d1 really bugs me Why do you keep criticizing towncases on d1 like they are a bad thing? It was a really good post lol just look what it accomplished. I managed to persuade several people that LS is town, which I still think I am right about, and this prevented him from getting lynched on d1 where he otherwise might have. The fact of the matter is that it is much easier to find town early d1 than find scum, so oftentimes if I don't have any really strong scumreads, I'll just post about a controversial townread to generate discussion. I could link you to similar posts from my previous games if that would make you feel any better. To answer your question from before, it would probably be LS by process of elimination although I would still consider SL. It struck me as suspicious that he started pushing to lynch you right after the daypost today. You could still be scum but I'd feel justified blaming the host in that case. | ||
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I think we should slow down a bit. Given the modkill, if we mislynch today, we will only have 4 players left tomorrow and it will be LYLO. If LightningStrike or Damdred is the last scum, we need to figure this out ideally today. On December 23 2014 22:46 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways guys let's go the lynch on kush and we will be going to coag next! @LS The way you phrased that makes it look like you think kush will flip town? We wouldn't necessarily be going on to coag next if kush flips scum, right? | ||
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On December 23 2014 23:22 LightningStrike wrote: It's always possible on kush but I think kush is scum atm I know it was phrased weird but what I was trying to say is that if Kush ends up as town we go to Coag next that's all. So what makes you so certain that Damdred and I are town? For example, yesterday you thought Damdred was scum, but then you agreed with me that Damdred looks better after the SK flip. What was your reasoning for that? I know other people have already addressed these questions, but I would like to hear it from you. | ||
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On December 23 2014 23:43 LightningStrike wrote: Your RB claim was genuine I felt and you were activly solving the game. Damdred looked better after the SK flip because there was no possible counter claim to his blue claim whether he was medic or vet although I found it odd he would claim vet first but I can see claiming vet would let the scum go for other people. Also afterhe claimed medic he later got RB'd or so he claims but I can see that happening. Also you suggesting let's sleep and no lynch today? No I don't think that we are allowed to no lynch. It says in the OP that voting is mandatory and whoever gets the most votes gets lynched. I'm just saying that we should have a bit of discussion before deciding who to lynch since it can't hurt. Maybe we can find something we missed and further our knowledge of the alignments of the remaining players. Regarding Damdred, there was never any counterclaim to his blue claim. So what about the SK flip makes Damdred town in your mind? If VE had flipped town or mafia, would you think that Damdred is scum? | ||
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On December 23 2014 23:53 Damdred wrote: Uggg.....this makes the game so stupid its not even funny. now we go into lylo or mylo with one or two of kush and coag. And me going bonkers over sc right now. yea pretty dumb.... Why are you going bonkers over me? Did you see what I wrote last night regarding my D1 post on LS? Also, how worried are you about LS being scum? | ||
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On December 24 2014 00:02 Damdred wrote: Cause there exists a real possibility that you fake claim rb as the rb. And you make a case on someone you don't think is SK cause you thought I was Well yes I agree I'm not "confirmed" town but you still need a reason to think I'm scum, right? You're not going bonkers over the other nonconfirmed players in the game. Can you also answer regarding what you find scummy about town cases? I want to see how genuine you're being there. | ||
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I do think no-lynch tomorrow could be a good idea assuming we're allowed to do it. | ||
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On December 24 2014 00:17 LightningStrike wrote: Scib we at Day Time at the moment if you forgot. I will relook at some of the stuff to find mafia but I think finding out sickluckers alignment is crucial to this game. Sicklucker is confirmed town lol. Or at least we should proceed as if he were. If he is mafia then we have already won the game since he's getting modkilled. And I'm pretty damn sure fecalfeast would just end the game in that case. | ||
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I did some rereading, and if we were to discount the medic claim, my two best scum reads would be damdred and coag. There are several good reasons for this, perhaps the biggest is that they both fought against getting VE lynched. I think my case on VE was really really good, and kush and LS read it and sheeped it without question. I think that anyone who actually read the cases should have realized VE was likely scum. As several people have brought up already, the mafia probably did not want the SK to get lynched. Therefore, LS and kush who pushed VE alongside me look good, whereas damdred and coag who just kind of wishy washily disagreed with it look suspect. Damdred however is un-counterclaimed for third blue, and lacking a counterclaim it seems unlikely he is scum. Coag on the other hand has basically left the game. Here's what I think Coag's thought process might have been:
Really there's no good reason to think that Coag has to be town here. He's not putting in any effort and hasn't even voted yet today. He might just be lurking and laughing at us while we tear ourselves to pieces. Fuck that I'm not losing to scum Coag. I say we lynch Coag today. ##Vote: Coagulation Now if Coag flips scum, gg and merry christmas! If either Coag or Sicklucker flip blue, we are lynching Damdred no questions asked. I know they both claimed VT at some point, but honestly I don't completely trust either of them a town not to be doing something dumb. If they both flip VT, then Damdred is pretty much confirmed because I trust that either LS or kush would have counterclaimed if they were blue. In that case, we go into LYLO tomorrow but at least we have 4 active players, 1 of which is pretty much confirmed town, and we can work it out from there. What do you guys think of my plan? | ||
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On December 24 2014 16:04 Damdred wrote: Well, honestly coag is a question mark. However what you say doesn't make him mafia nor does it clear you ls etc., for voting ve as mafia doesn't know who the SK is and thread sentiment was I was the SK at the time.which opens up another can of worms idk man obviously if you're town then you disagree, but I thought the evidence in the thread was really really damning against VE. I only thought you were SK because I thought VE was mafia due to his interactions regarding marv D1. Mafia would obviously know that VE is not mafia and therefore he would have to be SK. I'm not saying it 'clears' anybody but it's a substantial piece of evidence to consider. Another reason in favor of coag being scum is marv rolling over and dying on D1. Maybe if marv's teammates had been trying a little harder he would have himself put more effort in. I can't 'prove' he is scum the same way I think I more-or-less proved VE was scum, but that's not surprising given how much less material I have to work with here. I just think he's our best chance at flipping red, and it also wouldn't be the worst mislynch in the world if he flips town. Who would you rather lynch instead? | ||
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On December 25 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote: Theres not a case on coag its just a narrative. This whole thing Proves NOTHING, mafia doesn't know who sk is at all. which voids out the entire case basically, there was no way that mafia would know that VE was the serial killer, which means it doesn't matter who helped push that case especially since most the thread thought ve was mafia not third party at that time, so it is more likely that mafia road VE in that situation for a mislynch How would you know for sure whether or not mafia thought VE was the SK? We're just gonna have to disagree here because I thought VE was super scummy by the end of D2, and if I were in the position of mafia, knowing that VE cannot be mafia, I would have assumed VE was SK Anyway, I admit it doesn't PROVE anything definitively because I also don't know for sure whether mafia knew VE was SK. Sorry if I sound irritated, but instead of just trying to dismantle all my logic, why don't you tell me who YOU want to lynch if not coag? | ||
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On December 25 2014 03:46 LightningStrike wrote: He would rather lynch me see last page >.> Sorry Damdred but I was having a mental break down last night because this was giving a lot of headaches and was very uncomfortable for me on my 4th game on TL Mafia trying to avoid a Mislynch or Lose T_T I tried to prove to you I was town by making the case on you to show you I am willing to do anything to look town to you and I'm sorry I was irritated you last night He voted you but he said he doesn't want to lynch you today. But he keeps arguing with my reasoning for voting coag so idk what he's trying to do here other than criticize my logic >_> LS, if you were mafia, wouldn't you also be willing to do anything to look town? In fact, isn't mafia usually even more desperate to look town than townies? | ||
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On December 25 2014 04:04 Damdred wrote: Firstly, we are working from different perspectives of term I believe. As VE wasn't scum he was an independent third party role that can only win by himself, hes anti-town but hes not in the scum category as only the mafia members are in that for me. However, you are irritated with me trying to dismantle your logic but look what i'm saying about your case. Mafia have little to no clue who the SK is here, VE has a habit of saying things and looking scummy. VE was not playing to his scum meta over all, you are discounting Kush, LS when they could 1) be mafia who thought they were pushing a strong mislynch at the time. 2) could of thought someone else was the SK Coag is just a policy lynch, and it is really over explained as such. It is a narrative that makes him look bad, but pushing off of VE is just as mafia minded as jumping on VE. And obviously when I say we got pretty lucky, I don't mean that we got lucky that he flipped SK. I mean that we got lucky that he got caught when he did rather than later when he would of been harder to catch, not that your case was built on luck. OK look I'm meeting you halfway. I concede it is possible LS or Kush is scum and thought they were pushing a mislynch in which case this is all irrelevant. However it is also possible that everyone but you thought VE was anti-town, which would make Coag the most likely mafia. So fine it's not hard solid evidence but it is something. I agree that it's basically a policy lynch and that I didn't write a 'case' for Coag being scum. I just described what I think are plausible mafia motivations for his play, since Kush is trying to argue that Coag can't be mafia and I disagree. | ||
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On December 25 2014 04:20 kushm4sta wrote: Scriberia, what is your trouble with voting LS today? Because I've thought he is town since 5 hours into the game and I still do. I've been reading LS as a town newer player who really really doesn't want to get mislynched. What makes him mafia instead? | ||
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On December 25 2014 04:36 kushm4sta wrote: you tell me What do you mean I tell you? He's YOUR big scum read and if you want me to vote him in the next 15 minutes I expect you to have a damn good argument. | ||
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On December 25 2014 04:42 kushm4sta wrote: Is this why people are townreading LS? Because scum can make this argument. Wtf? This very post made YOU townread him not too long ago. You just contradicted your previous opinion of it. On December 20 2014 08:26 kushm4sta wrote: ok this is legitimate and actually it makes me townread you. You can look back to my D1 filter if you want to see why I originally had him as town. And the fact that he supported my VE push also makes me think townier of him. | ||
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You know kush, maybe instead of coming in 15 minutes before the deadline and just telling me what to vote and to trust you, you could maybe idk explain what you're thinking over the course of the day And just because coag flipped vt doesn't make ls scum. If you can prove he is scum then do it and make the game easy on me | ||
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damdred and bunnies should post a last will with final thoughts in case you are shot | ||
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trying to figure out why damdred was shot is a very wifomy. I think ls is probably mafia now not just because damdred was shot, but ls immediately tried to explain it as himself being set up, which as bunnies said is a very wifom argument kush i still want you to explain clearly and concisely why ls is scum to you. i can guess what you will say but i still want to hear you say it. convince me | ||
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His case isn't just bad it's twisted and scummy. I'll break it down when I get home to my computer Bunnies I'm waking up probably about 6 hours before the deadline tomorrow. Would be good if we could do a final talk through but I do think it's ls | ||
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Point 1: + Show Spoiler [LS point 1] + On December 27 2014 02:23 LightningStrike wrote: Okay let's start off with his opening post where he was wanting to give free town cred Now that seemed like a odd opening post yes and here my entrance regarding his opening post Now Scib came like a bat out of hell and quickly defended his post Why would he assume his post was scummy when I said it was just silly? He was afraid that I was already scum reading him which I wasn't at the time. Here, he claims that I assumed he was calling my first post scummy. For one thing, I obviously didn't assume that's what he was saying, since I made a post to ask him whether he was calling it scummy or just silly. Secondly, multiple flipped town players did assume that he was calling my first post scummy (see quotes below), so clearly it would not have indicated a scum mindset even if I had assumed he was calling me scummy. In fact, the fact that I didn't make this assumption should probably be evidence in favor of me being town if anything. And third, Palmar explained in his first case how it was scummy of LS to talk about how my first post was silly, not scummy. So it should be obvious why I was asking for clarification there. + Show Spoiler [JAT] + On December 17 2014 05:32 justanothertownie wrote: Unforgivable. I have concluded that you are scum for not posting during the first 30 minutes of the game. Also you are attacking confirmed town scib. + Show Spoiler [Palmar] + On December 17 2014 05:59 Palmar wrote: Also, votes on LS people, bro is 84% mafia. Evidence 2 If it wasn't scummy then what the hell is he trying to say? What does silly mean? What has it got to do with the game at all, and why bring it up as expected or not expected behavior if it isn't alignment indicative. As if all this wasn't enough, LS himself said eariler in the thread that he thought my questioning of him was reasonable and in fact was one of the reasons for his stated town read on me. + Show Spoiler [LS contradicting himself from earlier] + On December 20 2014 13:49 LightningStrike wrote: I agree with all but the scip and sicklucker. I would put sicklucker null for now and Scip did some decent questioning on me and tried to ask me why I thought his opening post was silly and continued on pressuring me a bit before Palmar pressured me hard core. While Palmar was pressuring me he also followed up his read on me based on my reactions to the pressure from him and Palmar. Although I found it odd that 2 mafias were defending me pretty damn hard Day 1 when I not even mafia or sk it just seems weird but I think it because marv looked into my past games and Breshke knows my meta from playing with me twice once town and once and mafia. I feel kind of odd because of the mafia members defending because now they made me look a little bit scummier. Point 2: On December 27 2014 02:23 LightningStrike wrote: Also at one point before death Palmar did say Scib was scum and so Scib had the right motive to kill Palmar. By elimating Palmar Scib was able to hide himself as the lead town and looking like he figured the game out. First of all, the underlined is outright misleading. Palmar said on D2 that I might be scum, which is not surprising given that he was barely reading the thread and in general loves nothing more than not reading my posts and calling me scummy. However, look at the last posts in his filter: + Show Spoiler [Palmar N2 posts] + On December 22 2014 05:09 Palmar wrote: I think by default we lynch sicklucker or kush tomorrow. On December 22 2014 05:09 Palmar wrote: And yeah, amazing job Scib, that was a really good push. On December 22 2014 05:40 Palmar wrote: come join me in retirement! Now someone else can do shit tomorrow Clearly, Palmar had me as town (as he should) by N2. So, again LightningStrike's point is based on twisted information. Yes, Palmar did say I might be scum at one point in the game, but at the relevant part of the game where he died he clearly had me as a town read. Secondly, even if the underlined were based in truth, the bolded is just wild conjecturing not supported by anything. I can't even defend the point.. he's just not really saying anything there. Point 3: + Show Spoiler [LS point 3] + On December 27 2014 02:23 LightningStrike wrote: The next edivence that Scib is scum is actually him not getting killed the Night after VE got lynched and last Night instead of him Damdred and Palmar who he most likely felt was the biggest threats to him but by him not dieing he looked pretty bad. Now why would Mafia leave Scib behind after Scib found the SK? Because he got to be scum himself that's why. LIke kush said, this is just WIFOM NK analysis and bad WIFOM NK analysis at that. Again, there's nothing even to defend here since it's just conjecturing not based in fact. | ||
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Let me know if I managed to change your opinion of the LS case. I feel pretty good about him being scum, since his case was built on misinformation and unsupported conjecturing, not to mention him contradicting himself. If you have good reason to want to lynch kush, let me hear it. If you compare LS and kush since D1, LS looks scummier imo. One big reason I have for going with LS over kush is that kush lurked all D1 and then picked up his activity after 2 mafia players died and it was revealed we had an SK. If he were the 3rd mafia and didn't have any motivation on D1, I think he would likely have just resigned himself to defeat on D2 and put in even less effort if anything. | ||
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On December 28 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote: So scrib did you think I was the sk? Is that why you pushed ve and helped me No. Shortly into D2 I looked through everyone's filter to find the SK. As you can see in the scum QT, my best guess at SK was VE. My second guess at that point would have been kush, and my third guess either you or Palmar. I was afraid of getting shot and not afraid of getting lynched so I made my first post on VE to probe for reactions. I then accumulated enough evidence to convince myself he was 90+% SK and that I could get him lynched so I just went for it. | ||
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sicklucker your argument about tryharding on D2 doesn't make sense to me. Town isn't allowed to no lynch, so your options are literally lynch a townie or lynch scum. Clearly lynching scum is better lol Town played pretty well but unfortunately all of the night actions turned out pretty horribly for you guys. Cop got sniped N1. SK and mafia shot 2 separate townies. Veteran claimed on D2 so got no use out of it. I even got town cred for my roleblock. | ||
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some reasons why I thought VE was SK on D2. Maybe not all of these are solid evidence, but added all together made me feel confident in writing my first case on him. As the day went on I became more and more confident he was SK. Thought you guys might find this interesting + Show Spoiler + and I wanted to brag a little sorryI) Process of elimination + Show Spoiler + There were 8 players alive besides me VE - probably SK kush - no read, but it doesn't seem likely he would shoot robik sicklucker - town read, outside chance he is sk palmar - town read, outside chance he is sk coag - town read ls - town read damdred - gotta be town bunnies - confirmed town II) This post + Show Spoiler + On December 17 2014 09:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Considering he's claimed mafia as his first act in any game I've ever played with townRobik, I don't like this read either. Are we different alignments Palmar? Seems like a rather cheeky thing that a SK VE would like to say. III) Stance on marv wagon + Show Spoiler + Somehow, strangely, his approach to the marv lynch mirrored mine, which to me at least was obviously coming from a scum mindset We both showed no interest in voting marv until Palmar and JAT called for his lynch. Then we both made a post to the effect of "I'm thinking about it" Then bunnies posted some logic for voting marv. I really wanted to argue with it but I restrained myself. VE did argue with it. I even agreed with his arguing with it Then both our posts voting him were exactly the same IV) A bit subdued overall compared to town VE + Show Spoiler + I've only played with VE once, but in that game he was town and had more thread impact. Bunnies and JAT also noted this in this game. V) Never seemed to care that much who specifically was getting lynched as long as it wasn't him VI) Reaction to the 3 shots N1 (or lack thereof) + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2014 05:06 Damdred wrote: Vig come and claim I'm the Vet, i was not shot, theres a serial killer that we have to find as well On December 20 2014 05:07 LightningStrike wrote: <3 you sweetie pie. Who you think is the SK and who is Scum? On December 20 2014 05:07 Palmar wrote: I completely forgot about there being an sk in the game On December 20 2014 05:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: Did you really, or are you SK? Honestly, I thought you would die in the night over JAT or Rob. Im guessing Rob was SK shot? On December 20 2014 05:10 VisceraEyes wrote: There's no "counterclaims" in an open setup. Just further claims that may or may not make sense in context. Everyone else was like WOW 3 shots. Hm I wonder who is SK bla bla bla. SK SK SK VE didn't show any surprise or interest in SK, which seemed off compared to everyone else's reaction | ||
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On December 28 2014 06:21 marvellosity wrote: The problem with an SK isn't really balance. Games are just faster, and the SK provides a form of balance with who they shoot. The problem with an SK is that it takes a lot of power out of the other faction's hands. SK could help town out (if town are mislynching, SK should hit mafia) or help mafia out by hitting townies when things are going bad. But it just means either town or mafia are punished for playing well, and that really really sucks. anyhoo, thanks for the carry scib :p my team-mates pretty good at carrying me when i'm mafia these days... Well can't pretend that I didn't wish you had tried a bit harder, but I do enjoy carrying noob teammates :p Saw your note in the obs qt. Yea idk why I was even considering shooting bunnies lol.. | ||
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Made this game much more enjoyable for me though: I actually got to do some scumhunting and it shortened the game a bit. | ||
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On December 28 2014 08:47 LightningStrike wrote: Scib I knew you were mafia but I wasn't here for End of Game to make a bigger argument and I need help on making cases T_T GG WP any tips on how to build cases Scib? I wouldn't claim to be an expert but here are two quick tips 1) try to always make sure you understand everything going on in the thread. This involves reading the thread very closely at all times and rereading if necessary. This just helps with everything as both alignments 2) people love to read pretty posts. If you use pretty colors and stuff like
then people are more likely to read it and appreciate what you have to say. But when the formatting is messed up and you have a few rather long paragraphs, people don't want to read it. On December 28 2014 08:48 LightningStrike wrote: Also why did the entire scum team defended me Day 1? I find it odd they would all defend me then. I just defended you because I think that is what I would have done if I were town. I assume marv did for the same reason. Can't speak for Breshke but maybe also the same reason. I wouldn't think too much of it. | ||
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