EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 76
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16627 Posts
Meh, actually Im not too torn up on bunnies dying. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
I looked at KSC's deadline posts and I don't really see his waffling on 27ninjabunnies as scum motivated. What's the point? It's not like he would gain credibility by doing that, more like risking his life for no reason. He was a candidate for lynch himself (since quite a few people suspected him) and if we assume KSC scum and 27nb town, why in the world would he suggest switching off of 27nb (and quite possibly onto himself instead)? I think ritoky possibly makes a better point about KSC here: On December 11 2014 11:12 ritoky wrote: work op, wait what..... what happened to that read? you posted my name a total 0 times in your entire filter between when you made a read of me as town for making a good read on LS and trapping ff, WHO YOU THOUGHT WAS SCUM FOR MY REASONS; and then all of the sudden i am scum. because apparently i haven't done anything all game...yet in your filter you like what i did? you don't even mention me in the little blurb, i am just paired with OWS and you talk about OWS. like why am i even in this read? especially when it is contrary to what you previously said. kels just seems like he changed his read because of thread sentiment, not because he actually believes it; hell he doesn't even try to justify the terrible read because he knows it is so terrible. this is not a read town makes at all, he is probably mafia. What's with your sudden change of read KSC? How can ritoky go from town circle to scum without any real reason given? | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
As for the other scum arguments. It seems pretty weak, FF was a scum read of mine and I presented a strong case against him. The reason I brought up my discomfort with the nb vote was due to my belief she was going to role claim and I thought we could get a lot of information from that, I think I explained my thought process there pretty well. When she claimed DGW and kind of gave up I analysed her play very well and called her scummy again. On December 11 2014 06:36 KelsierSC wrote: So I'm going to give how I read this whole situation. My analysis later on for not voting nb was in part due to this role soft she did, Explicitly the comment "I am going to have to claim". I don't believe the video was a role claim at all. So with that comment I think ok that is scum or a pretty important power role. Like she is going to claim vigi or something that means we look elsewhere. Then she comes back to the thread and says, "i've been at exams getting ready for work etc" ok but then she claims the disgruntled worker, like that just doesn't make any sense to elude that claiming your role will take the lynch off you when that is your role. Then I look at her reads. I think she has me and FF both as scum even though I call FF my top scum and vote on him. Then she has me at 80% mafia even though she calls her own case weak. She doesn't seem to bother looking at Xat even though viv who was her top town has made this their exclusive push. Then SL is suddenly the lynch. It all seems desperate and kind of like mafia who has given up. Saying that "i didn't vote her because I knew she would flip town" just isn't true, I called her scummy repeatedly, and it shows a lack of understanding and reading from some people in the thread. If I am paranoid about killing a role and want to consider other options, that is town not mafia. I really shouldn't be the person to look at, I'll be back , to talk about ff and my analysis of the votes etc. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On December 11 2014 21:06 Xatalos wrote: So it was more like a list of people to recheck or something? I thought you said you'd be willing to lynch those people. yeh it was, I had a list of basically everyone who wasn't in my town circle ( I forgot rit was in it) Then I narrowed it down and one of the criteria was I looked at who my town circle was suspicous of. They didn't like rit so he was added to the possible lynch targets. I basically forgot he was in my town circle because after my initial town read I don't recall anything else that he did and there are a lot of players in the game. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
How has your list changed now? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
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KelsierSC
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On December 10 2014 09:04 GlowingBear wrote: I'm also trying to understand why people are scumreading NB. I have no idea. Actually I had somewhat forgotten about GlowingBear. It's extremely disturbing that apparently he thinks NB is town (?) or at least not scum, but he doesn't seem to care that he's getting lynched. Meanwhile his vote is randomly wasted and without any kind of push behind it. He could be scum. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Don't want much of anything from you at this point. You probably just got sidetracked by more aggressive players instead of answering my question properly...at least, I'm willing to give you that benefit of the doubt unless I see a recurring pattern. Not seeing any reason not to lynch someone is an argument I'd expect if you: 1) Had no real scum reads you felt strongly enough to pursue <- the crux of the question I directed at you Day 1 2) Had to choose between multiple wagons (not the case here) As for GB, I think he might be a good player to press for more reads...where are those promised reads, btw??? However, my gut feeling is his play is not scum-motivated. Those who have played with him before might be able to shed more light on that. Damdred voted for him, didn't he? I'd like to hear from both GB and Damdred if they're about. | ||
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Vivax
21686 Posts
We had a fast wagon that quickly had a lot of people on it, so scum basically had to do nothing while it looked like bunnies was the only option. We're looking for people that initially "scumhunted", then seemingly disappeared and came back at the end of the day to either stick to bunnies or talk about some other bs. Out of memory I recall bats doing something like that cause I don't recall arguing with him all day long, but he was back just before deadline. Anyone who still tried to find other scum in the middle of the day unpressured while it looked like bunnies was getting lynched gets townie points. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
How do you come to the conclusion that his play isn't scum-motivated? I'm a bit curious. He seems detached from the thread and not really too interested in what's happening. I usually associate that with scum. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Anyway, here is the thing: I didn't see anything scummy on NB's filter. The push felt off, it felt weak, and it gained traction so fast that it was obviously going to be a mislynch. I wanted to get back and talk about it, but I couldn't find the time, I was in class until midnight. I even wanted to change the person I'd deliver the present but it was too late. That's why my vote is wasted. HF, saying that the votes on Xatalos are wasted is very unfair. He was the second wagon. People are not obligated to vote for bunnies if they think there are other stronger scumreads they should pressure. | ||
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Vivax
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On FF, I wasn't feeling good about him at all given the sporadic posts and asked him a question regarding what Kitaman highlighted between Tubesock: On December 11 2014 04:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm sure i make contradicting reads because it's too boring to pour over the entire thread looking for nitpicky shit as town. I take everything at face value whenever i am here and reading. I'm not sure what people mean as an inconsistency between my tubesack read and my LS read but I've played with LS before and haven't with tubesack. I mean, if that's not question dodging I don't know what is. The other thing I have a problem with is that if he does find LS scummy as heck, I am looking through here and he's not explaining WHY LS is scumlisted for him. I know other people have, but I didn't see any reasoning from him. I did not vote him right away because I wanted to give him a chance to explain himself but after seeing his response....just wasn't impressed. Also I used my vote to pressure Froggynoddy for information, he posted twice but didn't have reads. I called him out twice, and he complained he was overwhelmed, and told him to try and manage the work in smaller amounts. He didn't produce a read and a vote til close to EoD, I think. Tubesock has managed more for comparison's sake, and Trfel now, in an even shorter amount of time. As stated before, my issues with 27NB were resolved, so I looked elsewhere. I didn't like her tone of not taking the game seriously but I took that to be a personality trait that wasn't alignment indicative, since she seemed like that from the very first post. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 11 2014 23:07 Xatalos wrote: There were a couple of decent lynches (27nb, FF, OWS) and I didn't see it as either necessary or realistic to start pushing another wagon when lynching 27nb was a perfectly fine choice. Not having any reason not to lynch her wasn't my whole reason for lynching her, just one of them. Certainly I wasn't going to defend her for no reason. How do you come to the conclusion that his play isn't scum-motivated? I'm a bit curious. He seems detached from the thread and not really too interested in what's happening. I usually associate that with scum. There are a lot of things about his play that can be associated with scum, it's true. I've prodded at him a few times because of it and was about to make a push, when I filter-dived again. There is more in that filter than I remembered, and the posts that first had me leery...well, I'm thinking there are probably better lynches tomorrow. Regardless, if a ton of people die tonight a lot of this speculation might turn into wasted posts. I'm reserving getting too heavily into scum reads until those flips come out, mostly because of the posting limit. If you felt equally about those players, so pushed 27nb, I can understand that. I might have argued that more options than just one is better, but that answer right there would have been enough for me to change my vote from you Xata. Not that it matters now. I just was trying to understand your thought process. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
And guess what: I'm town. It's very unfair to say that I've only brought things about Templar. I also had some town reads throghout my filter, like rsoultin and SL. I will not post reads until half of day one probably. It's because I don't have time to read the entire thread properly. | ||
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GlowingBear
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