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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 11 2014 14:40 GMT
#1521
I think I did say something similar a lot earlier though. Dunno why you'd vote me if your reason is that flimsy either.

Who were your better lynches? I guess you said that you wouldn't want to decide too much before the actions. I agree to some extent. I think something like 5-7 people might die? If people open presents, scum hit Scrooge etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 11 2014 14:41 GMT
#1522
Vivax, since you're bringing up the idea of the "main wagon" what are your thoughts on Koshi's pushing 27NB the way he did? He's attacking a lot of the fluff (namely the manner of NB's rebuttal) though I do see he spent 3-4 posts on the same issue. Kelsier being her only read is a valid point, but it feels like overkill. Is this normal for him? I have never played with him.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 11 2014 14:43 GMT
#1523
On December 11 2014 23:33 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't have a meta. If you believe I have a town meta, you'll lynch me this game because I'm completely self aware that I'm playing completely different from my previous town games.

And guess what: I'm town.

It's very unfair to say that I've only brought things about Templar. I also had some town reads throghout my filter, like rsoultin and SL.

I will not post reads until half of day one probably. It's because I don't have time to read the entire thread properly.


I think they were just casual remarks though, not actual reads.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 11 2014 15:11 GMT
#1524
On December 11 2014 23:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Vivax, since you're bringing up the idea of the "main wagon" what are your thoughts on Koshi's pushing 27NB the way he did? He's attacking a lot of the fluff (namely the manner of NB's rebuttal) though I do see he spent 3-4 posts on the same issue. Kelsier being her only read is a valid point, but it feels like overkill. Is this normal for him? I have never played with him.


Are you suggesting that Koshi would be scum for pursuing a scum read? That makes no sense.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 11 2014 15:21 GMT
#1525
On December 11 2014 11:25 ritoky wrote:
because holyflare is a very capable mafia player who can appear extremely town as mafia. about 2 games ago he sold me hook line and sinker; so i have a huge skepticism toward him forever now.

also town holyflare is angry and salty and tells people their reads are atrocious. mafia holyflare is more calm.


Ritoky, do you have links to these games? I have not played with Holyflare (or really a lot of the players here) before.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22297 Posts
December 11 2014 15:22 GMT
#1526
On December 11 2014 23:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Vivax, since you're bringing up the idea of the "main wagon" what are your thoughts on Koshi's pushing 27NB the way he did? He's attacking a lot of the fluff (namely the manner of NB's rebuttal) though I do see he spent 3-4 posts on the same issue. Kelsier being her only read is a valid point, but it feels like overkill. Is this normal for him? I have never played with him.


Koshi at least played the part right, if it was his mafia play. He didn't pretend to have as many scumreads as bats, and confidently pushed bunnies, no real discrepancy between what he claims and what he does there as opposed to bats. I'll use other means of reading him.

But bats posted a whole list of people he would lynch and never showed any sort of doubt about where the lynch was heading, if he was making the right choice etc., he was too confident for my taste when he should have at least been wondering if he was making the right choice given his broad spectrum of options.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22297 Posts
December 11 2014 15:28 GMT
#1527
Actually he juggled a bit with his other scumreads, as in stuff like "shoot ritoky", then we lynch kush. But at least it's clear 27nb was his main focus.

I'll hold back judgement on this one as I want to have more time for Koshi.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 11 2014 15:31 GMT
#1528
Xatalos, a lot of people here have acknowledged that 27NB has played poorly. However, I re-read EoD pages...Koshi, in comparison to other NB voters, appeared to stick out in harping on the same thing in 3-4 posts and in those posts, mostly the personality end of NB's rebuttal. I don't know his meta, and that's why I'm running it by someone else. Am I making sense now?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 11 2014 15:39 GMT
#1529
Vivax, thanks for the insight. The other thing I didn't understand was him saying Kush is pro-town, but then he turns around and says "shoot Kush" a few times or something like that.

Also agreed that what you said on Bats makes sense. Damdred pointed out earlier that Bats had to backtrack on something he said earlier...

On December 09 2014 10:03 batsnacks wrote:
Damdred I went back and looked and it looks like HTS and vivax have similar stances. For reasons I'm having trouble explaining, I thought HTS was scummy and I thought vivax was null. Maybe it's how they explained it. Vivax was more explicit.

There's like 4 people I want to vote right now though.

And I originally voted NB for the useless bra discussion.


Curious to see what Damdred has to say on this now, when he can.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 11 2014 15:44 GMT
#1530
EBWOP - Just saw Damdred's post on hospital - I hope you are recovering well. Please take care of yourself.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 11 2014 15:50 GMT
#1531
Koshi only said that Kush was more pro-town than 27ninjabunnies (which doesn't mean much). I guess it's fine to ask about his meta but I just don't get how you arrive at something being fishy from his focus on 27nb?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 11 2014 16:04 GMT
#1532
On December 12 2014 00:28 Vivax wrote:
Actually he juggled a bit with his other scumreads, as in stuff like "shoot ritoky", then we lynch kush. But at least it's clear 27nb was his main focus.

I'll hold back judgement on this one as I want to have more time for Koshi.


I said shoot kush and if kush is mafia then so is ritoky.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 11 2014 16:09 GMT
#1533
Koshi is mafia, c'mon.

Do I have a post count in my filter or I have to count one by one?
I'm adorable.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 11 2014 16:11 GMT
#1534
I will warn privately if someone is exceeding where they should be at. We didn't really account for nightphase, but an extra 20 posts seems reasonable.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22297 Posts
December 11 2014 16:25 GMT
#1535
On December 12 2014 01:04 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2014 00:28 Vivax wrote:
Actually he juggled a bit with his other scumreads, as in stuff like "shoot ritoky", then we lynch kush. But at least it's clear 27nb was his main focus.

I'll hold back judgement on this one as I want to have more time for Koshi.


I said shoot kush and if kush is mafia then so is ritoky.


Yeah I confused the two of you cause you said similar things, the problem with not looking at your posts again before talking:

This is what Koshi said.

On December 11 2014 00:08 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 23:53 Xatalos wrote:
Kush and ritoky seem more like null. Haven't looked at them closely though

Anybody who believes Kush really thought he was scum because he had a red name and posted it in the thread cuz he couldn't care less is naive.

Kush doesn't trow games as scum. He does ridiculous play as scum a lot. (Sometimes as town.) But he is not going to tell the thread he got a red role for shits and giggles. He knew something.


Ritoky isn't doing jack-all. He is focussing on 1 person while he is a capable player and can easily focus on multiple people. I don't have the feeling Ritoky is looking at the bigger picture this game. But he is so sure about his 1 read. I find that odd. Very odd.


If we don't lynch Ritoky he isn't a bad copcheck. Or shoot him. Depending on the afker.


Show nested quote +
On December 10 2014 23:51 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi you don't want to lynch OWS btw?

Not today.


On December 11 2014 08:13 Koshi wrote:
Shoot Kush = thx.


It's funny how you both seem to point into the same direction. I wouldn't put weight into that yet cause the fact remains you first posted a list and then basically only focused on the main wagon while praying to a vig to fix the other problems. I'll take my time with more analysis cause the game is still too complex for my taste and I didn't yet look at everyone, so I can't say for sure you and Koshi are the only ones who exhibited that behaviour.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 11 2014 16:36 GMT
#1536
dude why would you shoot me. jacob marely is going to visit me or whatever then im going to die.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 11 2014 16:44 GMT
#1537
On December 12 2014 01:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Koshi is mafia, c'mon.

Do I have a post count in my filter or I have to count one by one?

I believe that each page of filter is twenty posts, so you only need to count the last page to get an accurate count (and I suppose subtract your pre-game posts).
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 11 2014 16:55 GMT
#1538
On December 10 2014 08:25 batsnacks wrote:
I caught up. Time for a blind list post without reviewing anything:

No Lynch
Xatalos
Koshi
HF
Damdred
FF
SL
oats


Hmmm, this was pretty early in D1, I see you, Bats, used justification for FF as being more memorable and before other people developed the opposite read on him. Has your view on FF changed any Bats? Why/why not?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 11 2014 17:28 GMT
#1539
I haven't read anything from during the night.

If I am alive tomorrow I will catch up.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 11 2014 17:30 GMT
#1540
Oh people are discussing me. Interesting. Hopefully I am alive tomorrow.
I had a good night of sleep.
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