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Vivax
22090 Posts
I didn't even read it lol, Templar is an easy gut-read at this point and before, based on my previous games with him. Sorry HF I don't think I will ever feel confident enough to call you town after my past experiences, there are these interactions with scum that suggest townie but I fully trust you'd have the means of planting them on purpose. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
I did, however, want you to understand that I'd read your case, agree that he could easily be scum, while explaining why I'm not as sure of him. (tbh though, lynching Templar down the road regardless of GBs alignment is a definite possibility in my eyes. he's not playing well. i'm also concerned about oats who doesn't seem to be interested in contributing much this game. is that normal for him? he seemed more engaged in my other game with him) People commented on some of my actual analysis, too, and I agreed with some of their corrections. I.e. nothing necessarily being all that scummy about a rage!fitting demanding GB on Day 2, lol, but I still dislike people screaming at me to do things, especially for poor or unexplained reasons. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 19 2014 23:20 Vivax wrote: What I can criticize about HF's case is that it came at a time where people were already willing to vote Templar so it didn't exactly add much novelty. You could call it a nail in the coffin but it also looks a bit like overkill, something a scum HF could have done just cause he said he would write a huge wall of text case previously, and not something we really needed. I didn't even read it lol, Templar is an easy gut-read at this point and before, based on my previous games with him. Sorry HF I don't think I will ever feel confident enough to call you town after my past experiences, there are these interactions with scum that suggest townie but I fully trust you'd have the means of planting them on purpose. I've seen this sentiment multiple times in the thread. I won't argue that it's not possible, especially since I've said before that it is. My main issue with it is it pretty much makes HF a policy lynch, doesn't it? Guilty until proven innocent (by death) because no one is confident enough in reading his scum play to say he's town. (Why not a friggin' vig kill then?) So...eh. Maybe when I've played more games with him I'll be on that train, too, dunnae. For right now I'd prefer going after the obvious (to me) scum. The more we reveal the scum team, the easier it will be to make a good decision regarding HF. That's how I figure it, anyway. With their two NKs...getting a lynch wrong will be a huge problem. That's my take on the whole mess. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 19 2014 23:20 Vivax wrote: What I can criticize about HF's case is that it came at a time where people were already willing to vote Templar so it didn't exactly add much novelty. You could call it a nail in the coffin but it also looks a bit like overkill, something a scum HF could have done just cause he said he would write a huge wall of text case previously, and not something we really needed. I didn't even read it lol, Templar is an easy gut-read at this point and before, based on my previous games with him. Sorry HF I don't think I will ever feel confident enough to call you town after my past experiences, there are these interactions with scum that suggest townie but I fully trust you'd have the means of planting them on purpose. well I don't really blame you ~_~ but I DID make it the day ritoky died initially and nobody really said anything other than "good case" "cool" and then went straight back to scum reading me somehow so I fleshed it out so people could stop being retarded and actually vote on likely mafia this game is pretty exhausting tbh -.- | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
feel free to modkill me anyway, though. I should have remembered. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
1) Saying a lack on push on a ridiculous present claim =\= having a read on the claim 2) Reevaluating reads is okay so, lol. Check timestamps. 3) I GAVE THE PRESENT TO RITOKY. HE HAD A PRESENT. There is a present with mafia. On other topic: I thought sicklucker said he gave the present to damdred before damdred flipped?? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On December 19 2014 23:20 Vivax wrote: What I can criticize about HF's case is that it came at a time where people were already willing to vote Templar so it didn't exactly add much novelty. You could call it a nail in the coffin but it also looks a bit like overkill, something a scum HF could have done just cause he said he would write a huge wall of text case previously, and not something we really needed. I didn't even read it lol, Templar is an easy gut-read at this point and before, based on my previous games with him. Sorry HF I don't think I will ever feel confident enough to call you town after my past experiences, there are these interactions with scum that suggest townie but I fully trust you'd have the means of planting them on purpose. Thats totally not true lol. When HF made his case he had by far the most votes and to say that his case was the nail in the coffin is a huge understatement. The tone of this post sounds weird, you are avoiding calling him town but your very attitude in the text implies that you think hes town. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 19 2014 23:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats totally not true lol. When HF made his case he had by far the most votes and to say that his case was the nail in the coffin is a huge understatement. The tone of this post sounds weird, you are avoiding calling him town but your very attitude in the text implies that you think hes town. can you blame him after this entire game and my previous ones?? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 19 2014 23:39 GlowingBear wrote: Vivax 1) Saying a lack on push on a ridiculous present claim =\= having a read on the claim 2) Reevaluating reads is okay so, lol. Check timestamps. 3) I GAVE THE PRESENT TO RITOKY. HE HAD A PRESENT. There is a present with mafia. On other topic: I thought sicklucker said he gave the present to damdred before damdred flipped?? Hrm. I thought SL had said it before the flip, too? I know that he strongly intimated it. Cause I for sure got that impression when he first mentioned giving it to someone. Probably should filter-dive...meeeeeehh. Finding one specific post in that is gonna be a chore. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 19 2014 23:44 rsoultin wrote: Hrm. I thought SL had said it before the flip, too? I know that he strongly intimated it. Cause I for sure got that impression when he first mentioned giving it to someone. Probably should filter-dive...meeeeeehh. Finding one specific post in that is gonna be a chore. I cba to filter dive him but I really thought it was before the flip, which implies mafia shot someone they were certain they had a present. I can't think another reason for mafia to not shoot holyflare before damdred night1. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On December 10 2014 01:02 sicklucker wrote: Ok I just sent my gift now to someone im sure is town and not going to get killed tonight. Open it if you think im town its not the death present I think. I think a mafia starts with that one but im not sure. this is all he said before | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On December 12 2014 08:22 sicklucker wrote: Shit this is horrible I can confirm I sent dandred a present and thats probably why hes dead.. First time he mentioned sending it to Damdred was after the flip, yes. I mean, you could figure it out, actually, given he was only townreading you and Damdred strongly and thought you had a role, then goes and says he gave it to someone he knows (lol) is town, but has no role...but it does make SL look pretty bad lol if you think Damdred was NKd and not killed by exploding present. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 19 2014 23:55 rsoultin wrote: First time he mentioned sending it to Damdred was after the flip, yes. I mean, you could figure it out, actually, given he was only townreading you and Damdred strongly and thought you had a role, then goes and says he gave it to someone he knows (lol) is town, but has no role...but it does make SL look pretty bad lol if you think Damdred was NKd and not killed by exploding present. I have no idea why the mass murderer would hold his shot day1. I simply have no idea. Which implies damdred was shot because kush was obviously killed by Marley and LoneMeow by obi. If there was a save night1 I will be impressed. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 20 2014 00:03 rsoultin wrote: I haven't been sold on the kill present theory for Damdred for a bit. It does imply that SL is scum, though, which people don't seem to like. That or that he was just highly transparent (which I can see, cause I've posted how his posts read Day 1 before to demonstrate that it wasn't really rocket science, figuring out who SL gave the present to). People aren't aware of the presents content. I have no idea what's on ritoky's present. So, sicklucker giving the death present to damdred doesn't implies he is mafia. What is weird, though, is that he says the death present is probably with mafia and after he says people doesn't know what is the present's content. The possibilities are 1) Damdred opened the death present. Implies SL is town because I can't see mafia giving a present to a townie if not to WIFOM hard 2) Mafia understood he gave the present to damdred and shot him. 3) Mafia sicklucker gave a present to damdred and, by knowing he was the holder, shot him. His would eliminate a present from the game and it would also give town cred to sicklucker based on possibility (1). | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
Sick unlucker | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
But yeah, he's very squirrely on all these presents. I'm scum leaning on him, but I don't think today is a good day to push him, because hey uphill climb lol. He's done a good job of convincing people to generally ignore his nuttiness (myself included) so that when he is scum we don't look at him as closely as maybe we should. | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On December 20 2014 00:17 rsoultin wrote: I didn't make myself clear. Not believing that Damdred received a kill present is what implies SL is scum xP So we just said the same thing. But yeah, he's very squirrely on all these presents. I'm scum leaning on him, but I don't think today is a good day to push him, because hey uphill climb lol. He's done a good job of convincing people to generally ignore his nuttiness (myself included) so that when he is scum we don't look at him as closely as maybe we should. Unfortunately, he looks as town to me. This is why this game is so fucking hard. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Like I said, uphill climb xP So why are you so interested in people mass-claiming? Do you really think it'll narrow things down for town that much? Seems to me we're more likely to get counter-claims (real or false) or a ton of VT claims and still be playing the same old who is lying bit, while scum can shoot into the last few roles that may or may not be able to roleblock them. If you're arguing it's obvious who the scum would be...I refer you to your last post ^ | ||
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