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Finished Counting For Today
ritoky (1): kushm4sta
27ninjabunnies (11): The_Templar, Holyflare, batsnacks, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Koshi, Xatalos, Tubesock, Trfel, Fecalfeast
The_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy
Vivax (1): Oatsmaster
GlowingBear (1): Damdred
Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC
KelsierSC (3): 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam
Xatalos (3): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, rsoultin
froggynoddy (1): Half the Sky
Not Voting (0):
27ninjabunnies was lynched!
The End of Counts
KelsierSC (8): liancourt, Alakaslam, Tubesock, Half the Sky, rsoultin, ritoky, Xatalos, ObiwanShinobi
Tubesock (2): froggynoddy, LightningStrike
Holyflare (7): GlowingBear, batsnacks, The_Templar, sicklucker, Vivax, Fecalfeast, Trfel
Fecalfeast (2): Holyflare, KelsierSC
Vivax (1): Oatsmaster
KelsierSC was lynched!
Some quick points I noticed at a glance, might revisit this a bit later for more in-depth analysis:
- Vote wasters: oats, lightningstrike, froggynoddy (I would bet quite a bit that AT LEAST 1 of them is mafia)
- Voting block: batsnacks, templar, sicklucker, fecalfeast have voted with eachother both times.
- Slam was either bussing pretty hard, or is likely town for voting on Kels 2x consecutively
reading rest of thread now
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Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot?
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On December 15 2014 12:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Rsoultin, what do you think of Xatalos?
Ritoky, why were you reading ff as mafia on day1?
FF sheeped my read word for word a couple posts after I made the read (at a time where he was very active), I asked him for his read on me, he said null. I thought and still think that is crap. If you sheep a read that hard you should at least have leaning town on the person you're sheeping. He attempted to dumb tell it away by claiming to have not read the post with my read in it; which I still think is a bold faced lie. Outside of that, he was whining, making excuses, all of his reads were meta reads, and he refused to address any points brought up against him. I still think he is scum right now.
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On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot?
I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed.
As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say.
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On December 15 2014 11:56 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got home and saw our Santa and Arnold dead and no one else killed. I did claim Ghost of Christmas Present for all of you guys start of Day 2. Anyone can claim Roleblocked so I not buying Rito's story about that.
##Vote Ritoky
why? you say you don't believe it, but why?
you also said you didn't want me alive last phase yet you ninja switched to tubesock without a word. why?
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On December 15 2014 13:03 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 11:56 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got home and saw our Santa and Arnold dead and no one else killed. I did claim Ghost of Christmas Present for all of you guys start of Day 2. Anyone can claim Roleblocked so I not buying Rito's story about that.
##Vote Ritoky why? you say you don't believe it, but why? you also said you didn't want me alive last phase yet you ninja switched to tubesock without a word. why?
The scum slip from tubesock was my main reason. But also I wouldn't of been able to lynch you since everyone else wanted to keep you alive and felt tubesock was prob our best lynch until the KSC case came in from Tfrel while I was gone during the end part of Day 2 which I wasn't there for.
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On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot? I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed. As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say.
We're you notified?
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Also I will keep my vote on you until you tell me who you tried to shoot and why.
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On December 15 2014 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot? I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed. As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say. We're you notified?
of what?
i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho
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On December 15 2014 13:05 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 13:03 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 11:56 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got home and saw our Santa and Arnold dead and no one else killed. I did claim Ghost of Christmas Present for all of you guys start of Day 2. Anyone can claim Roleblocked so I not buying Rito's story about that.
##Vote Ritoky why? you say you don't believe it, but why? you also said you didn't want me alive last phase yet you ninja switched to tubesock without a word. why? The scum slip from tubesock was my main reason. But also I wouldn't of been able to lynch you since everyone else wanted to keep you alive and felt tubesock was prob our best lynch until the KSC case came in from Tfrel while I was gone during the end part of Day 2 which I wasn't there for.
why did you post-flip justify yourself, while you actually ninja-voted going along with thread sentiment.
also, it is very easy to say i would have done x. in hindsight, i would vote on scum every single time! see i can do it too.
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On December 15 2014 13:07 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 13:05 GlowingBear wrote:On December 15 2014 12:58 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 12:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ritoky, did you waste your bullet?
If yes, who did you try to shoot? I had to shoot, at least how I read the present info was that there was no holding it for another night allowed. As for claiming who I tried to shoot, I am going to wait a little bit longer for that; interested in what a couple people have to say. We're you notified? of what? i was notified that my attempt to kill failed. i assumed it was due to RB, because i sincerely doubt any1 would protect who i tried to shoot. it did not say specifically RB tho
Ok.
Another topic: oats voted Vivax twice. He said day1 Vivax was town. He kept his vote on him. I disagree with obi. This is not a a lazy town vote.
Where the fuck is oats?
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Why aren't you voting HF, LS?
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On December 15 2014 13:09 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 13:05 LightningStrike wrote:On December 15 2014 13:03 ritoky wrote:On December 15 2014 11:56 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got home and saw our Santa and Arnold dead and no one else killed. I did claim Ghost of Christmas Present for all of you guys start of Day 2. Anyone can claim Roleblocked so I not buying Rito's story about that.
##Vote Ritoky why? you say you don't believe it, but why? you also said you didn't want me alive last phase yet you ninja switched to tubesock without a word. why? The scum slip from tubesock was my main reason. But also I wouldn't of been able to lynch you since everyone else wanted to keep you alive and felt tubesock was prob our best lynch until the KSC case came in from Tfrel while I was gone during the end part of Day 2 which I wasn't there for. why did you post-flip justify yourself, while you actually ninja-voted going along with thread sentiment. also, it is very easy to say i would have done x. in hindsight, i would vote on scum every single time! see i can do it too.
I wasn't here when the case for KSC was brought by Tfrel was in and honestly it looked very convincing from my eyes. Also Oats definitely could be mafia because his votes on Vivax is strange when he town read him.
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On December 15 2014 12:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Rsoultin, what do you think of Xatalos?
Ritoky, why were you reading ff as mafia on day1?
Eh, Xatalos. For awhile I thought he'd be a good person to listen to/sheep. What I mean by that is people have town reads, yes, but not all your town reads are going to be players you actually agree with. Xatalos is logical and appeals to my need for things to make sense, and I was townreading him.
I'm less certain of him now. Not so much because of the voting at the end of the day, but because I went back through his filter when Vivax was riding him. He's very...noncommittal through most of it? Yes I know this is something to do with tone. But his reads and statements came off very cautious to me, like he's reluctant to make scum reads or something. Cautious about bunnies, reading KSC as town because his move was "too bold" for mafia, lynching bunnies cause no reason not to, noncommittal about HF and Vivax still being alive after night 1 (like he's hinting that they might be scum but not willing to pursue it), focusing on Tubes "scumslip", FF then becomes "too scum to be scum"...but then goes back to scumreading him for something called "Occam's razor"?
I'm assuming that means if it smells like a rat it's a rat in layman's terms, but I haven't looked it up.
Don't see any point where he's reading someone as strongly scummy, just this side of null. And he does seem to dismiss KSC as a potential lynch entirely, too, but that could just be a town being wrong. I also don't see (though I might have missed it) where his ritoky read changed from town to a possible lynch.
Xatalos said he had reads but wouldn't give them Night 2. He may have had his reasons, but I'd like to see them now.
I'm not scum-reading him, per se, but there are doubts in my head now. I think I just didn't notice him as much because he's not as vocal/confrontational as a lot of the other players, and I don't know that caution in and of itself is a exclusive to scum, but given how often he's commented that scum wouldn't do anything to draw attention to themselves, and then seeing how cautiously he's been playing...it does bring up doubts.
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On December 15 2014 13:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Why aren't you voting HF, LS?
The HF case doesn't look good in my eyes and he felt very townie to me that's all.
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On December 15 2014 13:18 LightningStrike wrote:The HF case doesn't look good in my eyes and he felt very townie to me that's all.
So why Tubesock?
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I'm also in favor of pressuring HF when he gets back. Not sold on people's scumread of him (especially based on his scum reads of others) however I do think determining his alignment is key here. It really does change how we'd look at the vote that went down yesterday.
ritoky, of course you could be lying, so I'm not inclined to base my read on anything to do with bullets or presents or whatever (I allowed myself to get sidetracked arguing that the presents were insignificant and instead gave too much significance to them ><) but it would be nice to have an idea of what you say happened night 2. That could be very informative.
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In the next 2 days hf and rit are going to get lynched no questions asked.
All other reads are irrelevant until these 2 flip.
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On December 15 2014 13:16 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 12:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Rsoultin, what do you think of Xatalos?
Ritoky, why were you reading ff as mafia on day1? Eh, Xatalos. For awhile I thought he'd be a good person to listen to/sheep. What I mean by that is people have town reads, yes, but not all your town reads are going to be players you actually agree with. Xatalos is logical and appeals to my need for things to make sense, and I was townreading him. I'm less certain of him now. Not so much because of the voting at the end of the day, but because I went back through his filter when Vivax was riding him. He's very...noncommittal through most of it? Yes I know this is something to do with tone. But his reads and statements came off very cautious to me, like he's reluctant to make scum reads or something. Cautious about bunnies, reading KSC as town because his move was "too bold" for mafia, lynching bunnies cause no reason not to, noncommittal about HF and Vivax still being alive after night 1 (like he's hinting that they might be scum but not willing to pursue it), focusing on Tubes "scumslip", FF then becomes "too scum to be scum"...but then goes back to scumreading him for something called "Occam's razor"? I'm assuming that means if it smells like a rat it's a rat in layman's terms, but I haven't looked it up. Don't see any point where he's reading someone as strongly scummy, just this side of null. And he does seem to dismiss KSC as a potential lynch entirely, too, but that could just be a town being wrong. I also don't see (though I might have missed it) where his ritoky read changed from town to a possible lynch. Xatalos said he had reads but wouldn't give them Night 2. He may have had his reasons, but I'd like to see them now. I 'm not scum-reading him, per se, but there are doubts in my head now. I think I just didn't notice him as much because he's not as vocal/confrontational as a lot of the other players, and I don't know that caution in and of itself is a exclusive to scum, but given how often he's commented that scum wouldn't do anything to draw attention to themselves, and then seeing how cautiously he's been playing...it does bring up doubts.
I have no idea how can you townread him earlier but keep your vote on him day1.
I also have no idea how you vote someone day1 without noticing them much.
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On December 15 2014 13:18 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2014 13:18 LightningStrike wrote:On December 15 2014 13:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Why aren't you voting HF, LS? The HF case doesn't look good in my eyes and he felt very townie to me that's all. So why Tubesock?
Tubesock acted extremely scummy since Day 2 after the lynch of 27NB and the massacre of deaths of townies and changed his posting style completely not giving up on sicklucker and me being scum when we were clearly Town as I role claimed Ghost of Christmas Present and him scum slipping telling us that they were 5 mafias instead of the earlier guessed 6 earlier in the thread
Here the post of the 6 mafias idea
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote:Holy Moses. I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata. Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's? Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: Show nested quote +On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote:Setup Information All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role. It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim?
Here the post of his scum slip of saying 5 instead
QUOTE]On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes
YES.
He is of the 5.[/QUOTE]
Here is him assuring it's 5 mafias
QUOTE]On December 12 2014 11:41 Tubesock wrote:
On December 12 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote:Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully. I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though... Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes YES. He is of the 5. 5? Not 6? Please explain why you said 5 ##Vote
Oooh let's dance. GB, Slick, and now YOU are here to "pressure" and with your buddy KelsierSC on the wagon.
4 of 5. Is it my 5 or the games 5? Does it matter? No. Oh, wait, you are here to pressure me as your naughty friend Sicklucker's silly ##Vote: Tubesock didn't work. 5 of 5, 5 of mine or the games? Now does it matter? No.
Put in some effort. Defend KelsierSC or sink him now. The choice is yours. Distance or closeness. Answer that, should be easy, there is A LOT of content. Then we have a dance. I'll be here. When's your next "test"? How long you here? Huh, you here for 1 response or sticking around to REALLY DIG FOR SOME SCUM????
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When KSC did flipped KSC flipped scum and he did say KSC was 1 out of 5 So clearly he got to be mafia at this point which is why I voting for him right now.
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