EPTOn December 14 2014 15:00 The_Templar wrote:
Is there any situation that would suggest to you that you are not correct?
Is there any situation that would suggest to you that you are not correct?
Yes. Depends on the flips of my suspects.
TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 143
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Tubesock
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Yes. Depends on the flips of my suspects. | ||
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Vivax
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 On September 14 2014 02:20 Oatsmaster wrote: I really need to go to sleep. Sheep me Vivax. but dont fucking lynch me. I will come to your house and pee on your plants if you do. Anyway, read Oats filter from this post on, he's super tryhard and even posts at 2 am to make his point clear. He doesn't just leave his vote somewhere and call it a day. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On December 14 2014 14:26 Tubesock wrote: I am a good target to keep alive for mafia. I die, it gives MASSIVE credence to my case. Of course you are, you think the two most obvious towns in the game are mafia. Their never going to kill you whats your point here, and with that random quote? Dont worry your not gonna die ever in this game except to town if you keep this up. Like can you explain to me how LS is ever mafia when he claims a role and no one counters it? Your inability to comprehend this makes you useless. | ||
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Vivax
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465384-mission-mini-mafia?user=Oatsmaster&view=all | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 14 2014 14:52 Trfel wrote: @Holyflare Is it really that suspicious that I constructed my own argument without looking at someone else's? I read the posts looking for information based on what KelsierSC said, not for what others said about him. I've already stated that I don't feel like I can read everything as carefully as I would like in such a large game, so I limited myself to KelsierSC's filter and any outside information I deemed necessary while reading the filter. I will take another look tomorrow to attempt to get a read from this Holyflare/GlowingBear mess. Right now, I won't offer reads about either player since I haven't given the arguments much attention since the lynch. I am sorry that I forgot about the Holyflare defense post, that was pretty sloppy of me. Also, agreeing with someone doesn't mean you have to townread them. GlowingBear said that he was okay with lynching KelsierSC as well, so do I need to townread both of you? Yes because as you literally just stated you are reading kelsiers filter and i just linked page 2 of his filter where he's literally just arguing with me about the town read on me and the batsnacks town read. He even quotes my posts many many times. I think it's bad that if you base 2/3 of your case on something that isn't original thought and if you actually read his filter to make a case you'd instantly know it isn't (there is absolutely no way I'd see you missing something so evident) that you would even contemplate voting them off when they aren't around to talk over someone you made a case on! You even sheeped vivax when he called gb scummy all day yet jumped on me and you even said gb's case on me was bad iirc??? I literally have no idea how you could ignore a fecal wagon all game but so easily jump on someone you should be super hesitant about lynching especially over your own case/my points. | ||
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Vivax
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Like super mafia. | ||
Fecalfeast
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sicklucker
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Trfel
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On December 14 2014 15:06 Holyflare wrote: Yes because as you literally just stated you are reading kelsiers filter and i just linked page 2 of his filter where he's literally just arguing with me about the town read on me and the batsnacks town read. He even quotes my posts many many times. I think it's bad that if you base 2/3 of your case on something that isn't original thought and if you actually read his filter to make a case you'd instantly know it isn't (there is absolutely no way I'd see you missing something so evident) that you would even contemplate voting them off when they aren't around to talk over someone you made a case on! You even sheeped vivax when he called gb scummy all day yet jumped on me and you even said gb's case on me was bad iirc??? I literally have no idea how you could ignore a fecal wagon all game but so easily jump on someone you should be super hesitant about lynching especially over your own case/my points. Well, I believe this is my 17th post for the night, so I don't plan on posting much more before the day phase. Plus, I don't plan on arguing with you about this any more, as it just won't go anywhere productive. I will turn my attention back to finding scum instead of defending myself. My main points: 1. Whether or not I used your posts to build my case is completely irrelevant. It simply doesn't matter. KelsierSC is dead, move on. 2. Even if I did copy your case exactly for my case, I don't see why that makes my vote for you suspicious. You can make an argument as town or scum. 3. I didn't ignore the Fecalfeast lynch, I addressed it several times. I just feel that his play is poor, but not necessarily scummy. I feel like the Holyflare case has much more force than the Fecalfeast case. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Most often mafia kills people they think town will never lynch, so that they can get town arguing/paranoid/indecisive about the options that remain. Look for active players who aren't being scumread. Mafia also tends to kill people that they think have roles (right or not). When you look at the kill list tomorrow, that is probably what you'll see. That is why questioning Vivax's night kill analysis addition to FFs case happened so quickly. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 14 2014 04:36 Trfel wrote: I agree, I don't really want to lynch Tubesock here. And yes, I realize that makes me a potential #2 in line. I think that we can find something better before the deadline. I saw your question, rsoultin. I'm reading over Holyflare's filter again, then I'll get to ritoky's filter. I'll post conclusions when I am finished. You also say you read my filter and then actually point by point went through gb's case and said everything wasn't scummy (but still said you liked it???) yet somehow everything you wrote was an original point, you had no idea after reading both mine and kelsiers filter that your points were already raised you push them as your own and then after disagreeing with vivax for a long time on fecal and disagreeing with gb's case on me you ditch your own case to vote with vivax who scum read gb all day and then sheeped the case that you picked apart and said didn't make me mafia??? I don't buy that at all. Anyone that has claimed to have read those filters would not vote for the person whose argument they are essentially agreeing with together with someone whose case wasn't very good and someone who was joining a wagon based on a contradictory stance (vivax) over their own case. | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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Vivax
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On December 14 2014 15:08 sicklucker wrote: Also trefels is almost certainly town for pushing that lynch even if he changed his vote (which I also read as town) . I thought that was so obvious another reason of many to scum read vivax. So you scumread people for having an opinion that differs from yours at some point?You should scumread the entire playerbase then. It's pretty obvious that if someone dismisses his own case on scum to switch to not-scum then it's worth an inquiry. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
A mislynch opportunity didn't actually "arise". You and Tube were the options first. Tube started coming off as misguided town (and wasn't a very strong lynch anyway), several of us were uncomfortable voting either of you, and it turned into a who do the people not voting for HF consolidate on. You should probably actually read what happened before you start throwing accusations around. Not saying Trfel hasn't done some weird things or couldn't have bussed, but yeah. You were always on the chopping block. | ||
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Vivax
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 14 2014 16:07 rsoultin wrote: HF... A mislynch opportunity didn't actually "arise". You and Tube were the options first. Tube started coming off as misguided town (and wasn't a very strong lynch anyway), several of us were uncomfortable voting either of you, and it turned into a who do the people not voting for HF consolidate on. You should probably actually read what happened before you start throwing accusations around. Not saying Trfel hasn't done some weird things or couldn't have bussed, but yeah. You were always on the chopping block. I've read it. If tube comes off as town and the only option left is me who trfel actively disagreed with gb's case on then who is he supposed to vote? He literally even says "readinf ritoky and holy's filters now" and then his next post somehow jumps to making a case on kelsier. It's not a coincidence that he had these "original thoughts" after reading my filter and ritokys filter seeing as 2/3 of the case are my points and the othed point is ritokys. I don't think I've ever seen someone make a case and then completely dismiss it to vote for someone they agree in points on their mafia read with and then don't agree with the case on that person with. Hid excuse was "oh it happened to fast and i sheeped" but what bs is that? Why would he make a case unless he wanted that person lynched and if there are wagons with 8 votes how many people does he even think he needs to vote for his case anyway? Not tk mention all the stuff i wrote about vivax and gb and what he should have been thinking about them | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 14 2014 16:09 Vivax wrote: Lawdy that looks like a scumslip. I don't know if HF is not scum but I know that Kelsier was scum and HF is..Something so I wrote not-scum. Ready for all that town cred if you flip mafia though | ||
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Trfel
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On December 14 2014 15:59 Holyflare wrote: Then when a mislynch opportunity arose you were quite quick to dismiss your entire case on your mafia buddy to lynch me. I don't see this at all. GlowingBear's Holyflare case was posted BEFORE I posted my KelsierSC case. In fact, I referenced this case in the last line of my case. All this time, the Holyflare case gathered momentum, but I only switched to Holyflare AFTER KelsierSC finally took the lead in the vote count. If I was mafia, why would I do that? I admit that it was a stupid thing to do. But it happened. Whether I'm town or mafia, it was a stupid thing to do. I do like GlowingBear's case on you. It's not amazing, but I do like it, and it doesn't feel like a mafia-produced case (though GlowingBear may be mafia for other reasons, I haven't looked closely yet). I posted my criticisms of it looking for a response from GlowingBear, Vivax, or one of the other Holyflare voters, not because I didn't like the case. | ||
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Holyflare
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