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On December 14 2014 14:23 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 14 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them. OWS did not waste his vote. Check the vote count Sicklucker, he actually hammered KSC. obi is super town or super bussed his team mate. but since i think HF is scum and the fact that obi didnt want to vote HF earlier before thread sentiment was on kel i'm inlcined to think obi super bussed kel. But lets see how HF flips. Rit shoot HF Vig can find someone else hopefully. Oh wait mafia might have RB so...vig shoot HF and rit find someone else to shoot. Are you just oblivious to everything I'm writing? I can ask you the same thing. Why are you so mad that we lynched a mafia? We have 3 days till the next lynch. If you are town, why are you so worried and frustrated? Because town was successful today? I feel vindicated. Unless you show me some reason to come back and post, I probably won't. I made my case. Your turn.
The game isn't over.
Your turn.
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I'm not sure what definition you are using for "sheep".
I believe you mean intentionally following someone else and copying their reasoning.
I sheeped GlowingBear and Vivax to vote for Holyflare. Holyflare, we all know you are an extremely convincing and dominating player. Unfortunately, that's making it really hard for me to townread you, since your mafia play is that good. Which is another reason that I decided to follow some veterans.
My case on KelsierSC was made completely independently. I just looked at his filter and went top to bottom. If it lined up with your case, that was without me looking at it.
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On December 14 2014 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
I feel like this makes me town as heck, though, right? KSC was on me all game
No, but nice try though.
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On December 14 2014 14:26 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:10 sicklucker wrote:On December 14 2014 08:08 ritoky wrote:
I would like everyone to post who they think I should shoot tonight and why. Like honestly be careful I think you might hit a big power role like santa. I think none of ff, tube, hf are power roles or would have claimed already. Those are good targets. I am a good target to keep alive for mafia. I die, it gives MASSIVE credence to my case.
Lol this thought process is still one that amuses me greatly. Tube, dude...night kills are not the best judge of who is right and who is wrong. The most valuable information they give is the alignment of the players killed, so you can then read what they've said and done through the context of a flipped alignment.
Have you stopped to consider that if you do die tonight we won't even know (most like) who actually killed you unless they flat-out claim that they did? xP
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Oh and Trfel I forgot you wanted to see my additions on GB and you claimed I have none, well, that's what I initially thought of him when he started posting against HF, I guess you missed it in my filter?
On December 13 2014 11:23 Vivax wrote:
@ GB
So you thought froggynoddys entrance was bad but didn't give a shit about him afterwards, also you include arguments for him being scum but only focus on HF today.
Needless to say how that looks to me. Unless you have an explanation for only bringing up that entry as scummy now that you use it in your case against HF.
Not impressed at all.
On December 13 2014 14:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Fact of the matter is that I have arguments for both GB and FF being scum, not just gut reads. The gut reads are basically everyone else (Templar, trfel) since those arguments rely on their meta. GB's stance regarding froggy doesn't make sense since he scumreads him for his entrance but doesn't try to analyse his templar read further besides saying "it's ok". Also he says it's ok but he doesn't scumread templar so I wonder how he can find a read ok if he doesn't agree with it? Plus his narrowness on having HF as scumread and not openly considering a froggy lynch even though he gave all the arguments for his being a scum entrance.
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On December 14 2014 09:46 rsoultin wrote:
Here is the real question:
Is Oats ever around at this time? I don't seem to remember him being around ever. I think his schedule doesn't line up with EoD very well...so where his vote is probably means very little if he's not around to change it.
Oats lives in Singapore. End of Day for him is 7am. I am at 9am, he didn't move his vote because I wouldn't respond to him. Well, I did, but then left and he was frustrated because I couldn't answer some of his questions. Oats was very much on the right track, but I didn't feel I could drop the I'm onto HolyFlare bomb 12 hours before EoD.
12 hours is a lot of prepare time. 3.5 isn't much time to figure out what I'm up to, and how to counter it, then implement. If you are mafia that is.
Sorry Oats. I know you were talking to me. I just didn't think I could pull this off with that much notice to mafia.
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On December 14 2014 14:23 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:On December 14 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them. OWS did not waste his vote. Check the vote count Sicklucker, he actually hammered KSC. obi is super town or super bussed his team mate. but since i think HF is scum and the fact that obi didnt want to vote HF earlier before thread sentiment was on kel i'm inlcined to think obi super bussed kel. But lets see how HF flips. Rit shoot HF Vig can find someone else hopefully. Oh wait mafia might have RB so...vig shoot HF and rit find someone else to shoot. Are you just oblivious to everything I'm writing? I can ask you the same thing. Why are you so mad that we lynched a mafia? We have 3 days till the next lynch. If you are town, why are you so worried and frustrated? Because town was successful today? I feel vindicated. Unless you show me some reason to come back and post, I probably won't. I made my case. Your turn.
How am I mad that we lynched mafia? I'm mad that I got so close to being mislynched, something that has never ever happened to me, while being afk because people couldn't be bothered to read gb's case properly or even lool at my entire filter.
Also Trfel, you literally say IN your case that I had called out kelsier for his weird post on me and if you are reading the game or even kelsiers filter itself you must have known I also called him out for his batsnacks stance. I find it INCREDIBLY strange that you
A) don't town read me after making that case
B) don't even realise i made those points after reading the game for so long AND rereading kelsiers filter to make your case in the first place
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There was this game I won at LYLO, can't remember what it was, I could probably find it if requested, it's rather recent. Anyway, Oats was town there and EOD was shit for him too. But he put a lot of care into making sure his vote sat right before leaving.
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^ and then ditch it all to vote for someone you should know was agreeing with the points you made/think made kelsier mafia.
You didn't sheep vivax on Fecalfeast at all yet you did on me very easily over your own case. It's really really strange
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On December 14 2014 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:28 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:
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what?
HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts." Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this? He could have but it would have 8/8 with kelsier still lynched since he hit 8 first His vote + another mafia on Kelsier wagon could keep him alive and kill possible town!holyflare Which means: 1) KelsierSC wagon was pure town 2) Kelsier was bussed to give someone towncred 3) HF is also mafia.
And if true, adds Town cred to Siclucker and Templar. Who are also Mafia.
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On December 14 2014 14:35 Vivax wrote:Oh and Trfel I forgot you wanted to see my additions on GB and you claimed I have none, well, that's what I initially thought of him when he started posting against HF, I guess you missed it in my filter? + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2014 11:23 Vivax wrote:
@ GB
So you thought froggynoddys entrance was bad but didn't give a shit about him afterwards, also you include arguments for him being scum but only focus on HF today.
Needless to say how that looks to me. Unless you have an explanation for only bringing up that entry as scummy now that you use it in your case against HF.
Not impressed at all. On December 13 2014 14:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Fact of the matter is that I have arguments for both GB and FF being scum, not just gut reads. The gut reads are basically everyone else (Templar, trfel) since those arguments rely on their meta. GB's stance regarding froggy doesn't make sense since he scumreads him for his entrance but doesn't try to analyse his templar read further besides saying "it's ok". Also he says it's ok but he doesn't scumread templar so I wonder how he can find a read ok if he doesn't agree with it? Plus his narrowness on having HF as scumread and not openly considering a froggy lynch even though he gave all the arguments for his being a scum entrance. Sorry, I asked for your additions on GlowingBear's case, not your thoughts on GlowingBear's alignment. My claim that you had none is directly based on your response: On December 14 2014 07:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 07:35 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2014 07:34 Vivax wrote:
Lynch HF I would love to. Please tell me why, other than linking GlowingBear's post. Cause I read his post and it convinced me, nothing else really.
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On December 14 2014 14:29 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote:
I feel like this makes me town as heck, though, right? KSC was on me all game No, but nice try though.
Why not?
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On December 14 2014 12:21 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, if you think Kelsier was bussed, you have to start looking who pushed his lynch the most, so he looks good. It's simply as that.
It would put triforce on a bad position.
I don't see Kelsier trying to get lynched instead of someone else. His gameplay here is nothing alike Tolkien's gameplay on hearthstone mafia or damdreds vigi claim on titanic vi. There was no scum motive to bus his partner. Triforce was also out of suspicious when he brought that case up.
Which makes the bus less probable if HF is town.
You fail to see how this is importantly related to something you call obvious but does not try to give thoughts in that direction.
Sigh. you frustrate me.
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On December 14 2014 14:42 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 14:35 Vivax wrote:Oh and Trfel I forgot you wanted to see my additions on GB and you claimed I have none, well, that's what I initially thought of him when he started posting against HF, I guess you missed it in my filter? + Show Spoiler +On December 13 2014 11:23 Vivax wrote:
@ GB
So you thought froggynoddys entrance was bad but didn't give a shit about him afterwards, also you include arguments for him being scum but only focus on HF today.
Needless to say how that looks to me. Unless you have an explanation for only bringing up that entry as scummy now that you use it in your case against HF.
Not impressed at all. On December 13 2014 14:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2014 13:58 batsnacks wrote:
@Vivax the other three people on that list who weren't Trfel you said were gut reads. I similarly don't have "thoughts" but gut feelings on those people. I am not convinced any of them are scum except for Trfel. I could skim through filters and find 1 townie thing or 1 scummy thing they did to support my gut read... like you probably did. But I'm saying it like it is. Gut says GB, FF, and templar are maybe town. I'm less confident about GB and templar, they're closer to null. Trfel is the only person on that list I feel strongly about. Fact of the matter is that I have arguments for both GB and FF being scum, not just gut reads. The gut reads are basically everyone else (Templar, trfel) since those arguments rely on their meta. GB's stance regarding froggy doesn't make sense since he scumreads him for his entrance but doesn't try to analyse his templar read further besides saying "it's ok". Also he says it's ok but he doesn't scumread templar so I wonder how he can find a read ok if he doesn't agree with it? Plus his narrowness on having HF as scumread and not openly considering a froggy lynch even though he gave all the arguments for his being a scum entrance. Sorry, I asked for your additions on GlowingBear's case, not your thoughts on GlowingBear's alignment. My claim that you had none is directly based on your response: Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 07:41 Vivax wrote:On December 14 2014 07:35 Trfel wrote:On December 14 2014 07:34 Vivax wrote:
Lynch HF I would love to. Please tell me why, other than linking GlowingBear's post. Cause I read his post and it convinced me, nothing else really.
Well in that case, I have nothing to add. I sheeped that case cause it convinced me in that particular moment when I started to feel less sure about the FF read. Do with it what you will, but I can't think of stuff I came up with on my own to scumread HF. Yes, it's lazy, but I don't want to make it appear like I did when I really didn'T.
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On December 14 2014 12:56 sicklucker wrote:
Sicklucker HolyFlare froggy. People I dont like that didnt vote keslier. People who should die or step it up
Fixed it for you.
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@Holyflare
Is it really that suspicious that I constructed my own argument without looking at someone else's? I read the posts looking for information based on what KelsierSC said, not for what others said about him. I've already stated that I don't feel like I can read everything as carefully as I would like in such a large game, so I limited myself to KelsierSC's filter and any outside information I deemed necessary while reading the filter.
I will take another look tomorrow to attempt to get a read from this Holyflare/GlowingBear mess. Right now, I won't offer reads about either player since I haven't given the arguments much attention since the lynch. I am sorry that I forgot about the Holyflare defense post, that was pretty sloppy of me.
Also, agreeing with someone doesn't mean you have to townread them. GlowingBear said that he was okay with lynching KelsierSC as well, so do I need to townread both of you?
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On December 14 2014 14:33 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 14:26 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 08:10 sicklucker wrote:On December 14 2014 08:08 ritoky wrote:
I would like everyone to post who they think I should shoot tonight and why. Like honestly be careful I think you might hit a big power role like santa. I think none of ff, tube, hf are power roles or would have claimed already. Those are good targets. I am a good target to keep alive for mafia. I die, it gives MASSIVE credence to my case. Lol this thought process is still one that amuses me greatly. Tube, dude...night kills are not the best judge of who is right and who is wrong. The most valuable information they give is the alignment of the players killed, so you can then read what they've said and done through the context of a flipped alignment. Have you stopped to consider that if you do die tonight we won't even know (most like) who actually killed you unless they flat-out claim that they did? xP
No actually. I read it as a confirmation that I'm on the right track and a threat to mafia.
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On December 14 2014 14:59 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 14:33 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 14:26 Tubesock wrote:On December 14 2014 08:10 sicklucker wrote:On December 14 2014 08:08 ritoky wrote:
I would like everyone to post who they think I should shoot tonight and why. Like honestly be careful I think you might hit a big power role like santa. I think none of ff, tube, hf are power roles or would have claimed already. Those are good targets. I am a good target to keep alive for mafia. I die, it gives MASSIVE credence to my case. Lol this thought process is still one that amuses me greatly. Tube, dude...night kills are not the best judge of who is right and who is wrong. The most valuable information they give is the alignment of the players killed, so you can then read what they've said and done through the context of a flipped alignment. Have you stopped to consider that if you do die tonight we won't even know (most like) who actually killed you unless they flat-out claim that they did? xP No actually. I read it as a confirmation that I'm on the right track and a threat to mafia.
Is there any situation that would suggest to you that you are not correct?
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On December 14 2014 14:52 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 12:56 sicklucker wrote:
Sicklucker HolyFlare froggy. People I dont like that didnt vote keslier. People who should die or step it up Fixed it for you.
Okay why the hell are you tunneling sicklucker so hard when he is confirmed town? You making yourself look worse by the post dude.....
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