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On December 14 2014 12:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 12:51 Holyflare wrote:
It's actually really frustrating this game to post actual logical content and then people completely overlook it to talk about minor things. Happened all last day with gb's case. Not one of you read my filter at all to fact check him and now you find out his case was actually based on lies that I've told you were lies all along and then you still pick on little crap like this kelsier thing over the better content. Beginning to annoy me now. I don't consider two people arguing against one another, both claiming each other is scum and/or defending themselves better content. If I can't make a read on you or someone else by looking at what you've done or said independently and have to choose one of you to parrot...I might as well call you both null and call it a day. Or both scum for damn well wasting my time. Find another sheep and stop pissing me off.
I couldn't give a flying fuck if you're pissed off or not. Yes you read me town but defending myself on a case that is based on entirelt lies and twisted bull shit IS CONTENT whether you like it or not. Just because people are lazy or whatever does not mean the content is not actually there. In no way is this a slight to you it's against the 3 other people that just chimed in to say that point about me/kelsier was bad and then fucked off without commenting on the walls i just made of ACTUAL CONTENT on gb.
Like legitimate reasons he is mafia and people ignore it. It's not the first time.
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On December 14 2014 12:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 12:56 Vivax wrote:On December 14 2014 12:31 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Remember my Xatalos case on D1? Well, Kelsier apparently decided to interpret his ambiguous trap play in a way that would stop me from pursuing Xatalos and put what he wrote into favourable light, do with it what you will but for that he's back into my scummy pile. Lol...I remember your Xatalos case and only thinking one point was even worth considering. And today it's all about analyzing NKs as proof against FF, completely ignoring suspicions of Trfel before he came out with his case, scumreading people for not liking your NK analysis and jumping ship off of KSC which is a vote you were in on when it wasn't gaining much traction for no other reason than you read someone else's case and it convinced you. Not even an explanation as to which part convinced you or why despite being asked multiple times. You are firmly in my scum circle right now, buddy. Unless you care to clear all this up for me. So when Trfel was bats tom scumspect and bats literally begged me to form a wagon on him, but I refused cause in my mind there was legitimately bigger fish to fry, why didn't I do it when he appeared as such an easy lynch? Easy answer: I'm town. Or my interaction where I argue for ages with Kelsier, is that scum/scum in your opinion? Until you clear up these questions I'm not scum. Worst case I'm a townie who's wrong, so tell me where I'm wrong (and weren't you the guy who agreed with me on my Xata case after some talk? Or was it tube) Agreed on the one point and debunked all your others ^^ That was when you called me a gnat as I recall. Why did you switch? Which part of GBs case convinced you?
Can't say, just the overall case sounded convincing to me and I got reservations about lynching FF when some guy told me he plays like that as town, so I was looking for another wagon. GB going nuts about lynching HF looked townie to me so I trusted his judgement to that extent (as in, assumed the case was not mafia motivated). Can't really point to a specific point that I found particularly convincing, HF claims it's all lies now and I was too lazy to fact check so for now I'm back to zero and prefer to start over again by analysing what Kelsier did, and the wagons in general.
At this stage if I take a wild guess, then HF was the scum's wagon, or FF. Or both.
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Personally I think that most of the wagons today would have been mislynches. I don't like defaulting to my near null reads just because people are pushing mostly my town reads and ignoring the ones who I really think should bite it. Of course I can be wrong, but until Trfel's case against KSC I wasn't seeing any strong cases, either.
I can understand the frustration of trying to get your point across and no one listening, for sure ><.
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It's funny that 2/3rds of the case on ksc are points i made yet i was the counter wagon tbh
Funny in a sick and twisted way
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The advice marv gave was to damdred, and it was about listening to what people are saying. Nothing else.
I also never said I was wrong about you and froggy. I said I couldn't find you explicitly calling him scum. I found you calling his entrance out and saying he looks terrible for wasting his vote.
Then you completely ignore those three people you said looked terrible.
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On December 14 2014 13:39 GlowingBear wrote:
The advice marv gave was to damdred, and it was about listening to what people are saying. Nothing else.
I also never said I was wrong about you and froggy. I said I couldn't find you explicitly calling him scum. I found you calling his entrance out and saying he looks terrible for wasting his vote.
Then you completely ignore those three people you said looked terrible.
If i call someones post bad then I say that his vote looks terrible at an initial stand point because it is on a person nobody voted for and then when asked about my read on froggy i talk about how his actions at deadline looked like they were honest and from a towny mind set which part of that is completely ignoring those people? Which part of that is a scummy contradiction with the rest of my play?
Quite literally none of it. You didn't ask me about hts or you and instead only froggy and somehow jumped to the conclusion that I'm scum because i didn't look into things when it's quite evident i did. Unless you're admitting to actually being mafia why does me not stating an updated read on you or hts in the thread make a difference? If i thought they were mafia I'd push them.
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WTF Trfel ended up on the HF wagon when everyone was sheeping his case?
Guess I was too hasty with townreading him for that lynch.
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You don't even look at who i am pushing. Ritoky, someone pushing crazy false info who also was in my list of terrible votes. Ff who was in that list who I thought had excellent reasons to lynch and I actually still don't see how people call them bad. You who are pushing quite blatant lies and things that don't make any sense who is also part of the list of the worst voters.
Glad people were keeping up with my filter though because I've literally explained all of these things away and yet only 2-3 people said anything and even then still voted me anyway.?
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Vivax. Do you still think that Holyflare is scum? Why or why not?
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HF this quarrel between you and GB is just becoming annoying to the point I find it hard to follow and I think most people will just shut their eyes. It's like one of those town v town shitfests.
Would you care to try and find the scum in the wagons of the lynch? It's 7 to 8 and I would figure there were attempts from scum to stop Kelsier from being lynched.
Check Oats vote on me. Useless. And he's not the guy who doesn't care where his vote is, when he's town.
Would be cool to have some fresh perspective on the game that doesn't just revolve around GB. We're dealing with multiple scummers.
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On December 14 2014 14:04 Trfel wrote:
Vivax. Do you still think that Holyflare is scum? Why or why not?
I rather think not just cause of the wagons, he's probably the counterwagon to Kelsier. Why did you switch your vote to him without saying it in thread?
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Yes well I think gb is entirely mafia so maybe you should follow my reasons instead of blindly ignoring gb and sheeping his case because it looked pretty when it was riddled with lies.
All you have to do is fucking read his case and realise how wrong all of it is??
I'll look at the rest sometime because I remember like 3 people jumping on me for absolutely no reason other then "yeehhhhh hf!" and more that were actually against voting me but then did anyway??
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Yes oats posts have been terrible though, would lynch entirely.
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Another one of those people that just state an ff lynch is bad but no reasons why and then ignores all the evidence.
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On December 14 2014 14:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 14:04 Trfel wrote:
Vivax. Do you still think that Holyflare is scum? Why or why not? I rather think not just cause of the wagons, he's probably the counterwagon to Kelsier. Why did you switch your vote to him without saying it in thread?
On December 14 2014 07:41 Trfel wrote:
Switching to Holyflare because of a gut call. It's hard to explain. If someone really wants me to, I can try though.
On December 14 2014 07:54 Trfel wrote:Last game, my first TL Mafia game, I made two big scum calls. I was wrong on both. I suppose I've lost a good bit of self confidence at Mafia. Now I presented a case that (I feel) is strong, but isn't foolproof. And it instantly gathered tons of support. Meanwhile, several veterans and people that I trust (namely GlowingBear and Vivax) are sticking with the Holyflare lynch. That makes me worry that the Mafia are using my case to avoid a Holyflare lynch. Still though, it's really weird that Vivax hasn't provided anything of his own on GlowingBear. I am happy with either lynch. It's really hard to call. Not voting for KelsierSC doesn't mean that I don't want to see him lynched. Him being in the hospital does make me more reluctant to lynch him, though, and I am okay with giving him a day to redeem himself (same with Fecalfeast).
If anyone has any further questions about this, I'm listening.
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Why were you fine to give kelsier another day but not me who wasn't even around to defend myself???
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I already told you guys Trfel was town.
Inclined to believe Oats is town as well.
Find different targets.
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And you know.... Sheeped 2/3 of your case from
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On December 14 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:36 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:On December 14 2014 08:21 sicklucker wrote:
im not role hunting rofl? Im telling you not to shoot into possible roles. ONLY SHOOT guys who cant be power roles and maybe obi since he just completely wasted his vote. Like ff holy and whoever else I said are never power roles so shoot between them. OWS did not waste his vote. Check the vote count Sicklucker, he actually hammered KSC. obi is super town or super bussed his team mate. but since i think HF is scum and the fact that obi didnt want to vote HF earlier before thread sentiment was on kel i'm inlcined to think obi super bussed kel. But lets see how HF flips. Rit shoot HF Vig can find someone else hopefully. Oh wait mafia might have RB so...vig shoot HF and rit find someone else to shoot. Are you just oblivious to everything I'm writing?
I can ask you the same thing. Why are you so mad that we lynched a mafia? We have 3 days till the next lynch. If you are town, why are you so worried and frustrated? Because town was successful today?
I feel vindicated. Unless you show me some reason to come back and post, I probably won't. I made my case. Your turn.
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On December 14 2014 08:10 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 08:08 ritoky wrote:
I would like everyone to post who they think I should shoot tonight and why. Like honestly be careful I think you might hit a big power role like santa. I think none of ff, tube, hf are power roles or would have claimed already. Those are good targets.
I am a good target to keep alive for mafia. I die, it gives MASSIVE credence to my case.
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