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On December 14 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:12 LightningStrike wrote:
The Templar I got a question for you
Earlier in the thread you used a RNG thing to find scum and landed on KSC who turned out to be Mafia. No can you see if you can use another RNG and find the next scum? Haha, I don't think it works like that.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23433611
If me talking about RNG was a reliable method to finding mafia, 23433611 mod 19 (remaining players in the game) is 18, meaning it would be Trfel.
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On December 14 2014 11:18 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 11:12 LightningStrike wrote:
The Templar I got a question for you
Earlier in the thread you used a RNG thing to find scum and landed on KSC who turned out to be Mafia. No can you see if you can use another RNG and find the next scum? Haha, I don't think it works like that. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23433611If me talking about RNG was a reliable method to finding mafia, 23433611 mod 19 (remaining players in the game) is 18, meaning it would be Trfel.
Trfel bussed KSC, you heard it here first
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On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot.  1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts."
Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them.
But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum.
Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this?
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GB why don't you want the vig to shoot mafia?
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It points to scum or framing as scum. WIFOM imo. An opinion I've already expressed.
Well, I stand by my comment that it looks an awful lot like you're simply not interested in seeing him flip, glow. Which is not something that I understand coming from someone who is supposed to be town -shrugs-
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On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:The most likely scenario we're dealing with is that there's scum on the Holyflare wagon. We hunt there first, and if Hf gets shot by either mafia or a vigilante and flips town, then we're in an awesome spot information-wise because we know exactly where some scum have hid, and it's likely there's more than one on his wagon. I just realized there's actually a scenario where Oats could be scum with Holyflare, but that would depend on the mafia team so absolved of thread influence that two mafia were the leading wagons and the whole team is made up of useless players with no thread pull. Just an fyi, Holyflare is anything but useless. It would be amazing if that were the case, but I don't think it is: out of the people who fit the bill based on their votes, LS is a claimed role as well, so it's unlikely. All of this is mostly speculation at this point. I need to do more legwork to get my analysis out before I most likely get shot. 1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. 2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer. I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts." Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this?
He could have but it would have 8/8 with kelsier still lynched since he hit 8 first
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On December 14 2014 11:18 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 11:12 LightningStrike wrote:
The Templar I got a question for you
Earlier in the thread you used a RNG thing to find scum and landed on KSC who turned out to be Mafia. No can you see if you can use another RNG and find the next scum? Haha, I don't think it works like that. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23433611If me talking about RNG was a reliable method to finding mafia, 23433611 mod 19 (remaining players in the game) is 18, meaning it would be Trfel.
Shucks, you got me.
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I don't see KelsierSC not voting Holyflare as having anything to do with Holyflare's alignment.
KelsierSC said that he is just getting back from the hospital and couldn't properly read the thread to find the case on him. I see no reason to doubt that he just didn't see the voting situation and didn't realize that he could save himself by voting for Holyflare.
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On December 14 2014 11:28 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:On December 14 2014 10:34 GlowingBear wrote:
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1st paragraph won't happen :/ although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot.
2nd paragraph: yeah, he isn't useless, but he is scummy. I'll debunk his defense soon. Although I'll say in advance that I may have misread something in his filter, since I couldn't find where he explicitly said froggy is scummy. All I've got was him calling his entrance out and saying froggy looks terrible (which, for me, is a way to say someone looks scummy), but I couldn't find where he explicitly said he was scum. Bummer.
I believe it's possible that both wagons were mafia. Holyflare's vote was on FF. I simply don't like FFs wagon. Gonna check it again although I want HF lynched, I don't think he is a good vigi shot. what? HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts." Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this? He could have but it would have 8/8 with kelsier still lynched since he hit 8 first
His vote + another mafia on Kelsier wagon could keep him alive and kill possible town!holyflare
Which means:
1) KelsierSC wagon was pure town
2) Kelsier was bussed to give someone towncred
3) HF is also mafia.
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On December 14 2014 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:28 Fecalfeast wrote:On December 14 2014 11:23 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 11:06 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 11:00 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:54 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:52 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:50 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 10:48 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 10:44 liancourt wrote:
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what?
HF needs to flip tonight or discussion won't progress tomorrow He isn't a good vigi shot. Period. Fail to see your reasoning here. If he's scum, dead is dead. If he's town, we waste a day trying to lynch him (or arguing about lynching him) tomorrow. No specific logic. Bad vigi shot. That's all. Let's move on to the next topic. Not acceptable. If you don't have a reason to say that, why are you saying it? I am trying to play ball with you here, GB...I'm not sold that you're not town or that HF isn't mafia, so can you at least work with me a little here? I can, but this is not a thing to be discussed at night. I can talk about any other topic you want ...Unless you're trying to tell me that you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, it seems like you just don't want people to see him flip. And if you're no longer certain of HF's alignment, you should be able to "discuss" that just fine. I'm not an idiot to not understand what you're hinting at here, but the dodging is unnecessary when all you had to say was "I'm having doubts." Listen: we can discuss any topic regarding HF. There are a lot of reasons why I think HF isn't a good shot. I don't want to talk about any of them. But we can discuss HFs alignment, that's for sure. I still think he is scum. Odd thing: Kelsier didn't vote HF to keep alive. Thoughts on this? He could have but it would have 8/8 with kelsier still lynched since he hit 8 first His vote + another mafia on Kelsier wagon could keep him alive and kill possible town!holyflare Which means: 1) KelsierSC wagon was pure town 2) Kelsier was bussed to give someone towncred 3) HF is also mafia.
ALL PRAISE BE TO GB, MASTER OF LOGIC.
I kinda lean toward 1 or 2 over 3, if I'm not blindly following you.
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Lol, FF...you're praising him for stating the obvious. There literally are no other options. He just said:
Either scum voted for town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was scum
That post is a completely useless insight lol.
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On December 14 2014 11:48 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, FF...you're praising him for stating the obvious. There literally are no other options. He just said:
Either scum voted for town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was scum
That post is a completely useless insight lol.
PRAISE BE TO RSOULTIN, FOR HE IS BLIND TO FACETIOUSNESS
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On December 14 2014 11:48 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, FF...you're praising him for stating the obvious. There literally are no other options. He just said:
Either scum voted for town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was scum
That post is a completely useless insight lol.
All you're doing is bashing on most everything I post. You want to discuss things that aren't to be discussed but does not propose another topic. That is not so obvious. You're making my post looks less informative than it really is.
Kelsier keeping his vote on fecal feast is indicative of ff being town, but you seem not to care.
You were also discrediting my case on HF but you now want him to flip/ thinks he might be scum.
Really, you're looking really bad to my eyes.
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Remember my Xatalos case on D1? Well, Kelsier apparently decided to interpret his ambiguous trap play in a way that would stop me from pursuing Xatalos and put what he wrote into favourable light, do with it what you will but for that he's back into my scummy pile.
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Like, if you think Kelsier was bussed, you have to start looking who pushed his lynch the most, so he looks good. It's simply as that.
It would put triforce on a bad position.
I don't see Kelsier trying to get lynched instead of someone else. His gameplay here is nothing alike Tolkien's gameplay on hearthstone mafia or damdreds vigi claim on titanic vi. There was no scum motive to bus his partner. Triforce was also out of suspicious when he brought that case up.
Which makes the bus less probable if HF is town.
You fail to see how this is importantly related to something you call obvious but does not try to give thoughts in that direction.
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On December 14 2014 11:01 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.
This guy has also pretty confirmed me as town ...at the beginning of day 1 -_-
I hadn't done much, he doesn't know my scum meta at all. He knows I rekt him last time as mafia. This guy 100% confirms me as town and gb knows it. I made this EXACT same read last game on why someone was town because of mafia giving reads like this and gb overlooked it only to get told off by marv and gb said:
On December 03 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2014 10:05 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2014 10:02 Damdred wrote:
Nah I blame myself should of pushed things harder d1 and explained what I thought more I would of been ok, I got really annoyed d1 maybe, but the whole rayn thing was the only reason you got lynched d2, you couldn't have played much better one small bit of advice, make sure you pay attention to what other ppl are saying. main example is you were scumreading superbia and jat? or hf? gave a really good reason why superbia was town based on some stuff rayn did, but you didn't appear to acknowledge it at all in your read of him. This actually is a huge advice to me.
I refuse to believe that he has forgotten such "huge advice" in the span of this 1 game. He literally even says that his fucking read on me about froggy is WRONG and a lie!!!!,!! Like wtfh "sorry guys i was wrong about that so yehhh..." "hf still scum though!"
Now his analysis is that mafia either voted me or didn't? Puh lease. That guy isn't town.
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On December 14 2014 12:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:48 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, FF...you're praising him for stating the obvious. There literally are no other options. He just said:
Either scum voted for town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was town
Or scum bussed scum when the other option was scum
That post is a completely useless insight lol. All you're doing is bashing on most everything I post. You want to discuss things that aren't to be discussed but does not propose another topic. That is not so obvious. You're making my post looks less informative than it really is. Kelsier keeping his vote on fecal feast is indicative of ff being town, but you seem not to care. You were also discrediting my case on HF but you now want him to flip/ thinks he might be scum. Really, you're looking really bad to my eyes.
Heh, of course I am. You're rubbing me all sorts of wrong and I've been in your craw all day because of it. For the record, I'm still leaning town over scum on HF, and entertaining the possibility that someone could be scum even if I believe they're not does not make me scum, GB. What I find interesting is your seeming reluctance to see one of (ha! could practically say only right now) your scumreads flip. If you really thought he was scum, does it matter how he dies? In fact, shouldn't you want that information out there before heading into tomorrow's lynch assuming that we should scumhunt from HFs train?
I've said most of the day that FF had a shit case against him. I admitted that my case on Trfel was probably equally shit. Null, null leaning town, I don't see that it really changes much. FF still has a lot to prove, which I hope he will.
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Sorry, I'm probably being really thick here, but why does KelsierSC saying that Holyflare is town provide any evidence that Holyflare is town? Couldn't he just be trying to make the town opinion favor his mafia buddy?
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Kelsier keeping his vote on fecal feast is indicative of ff being town, but you seem not to care.
This isn't true in any world where there are 2 leading wagons so close with like 8 votes and he throws his vote onto someone with 1 vote. Does he think the reverse wagon will happen so shortly?? Not a chance in hell.
I'm surprised you don't mention you know... The giant case and pushing that he did on ff instead though.
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On December 14 2014 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Remember my Xatalos case on D1? Well, Kelsier apparently decided to interpret his ambiguous trap play in a way that would stop me from pursuing Xatalos and put what he wrote into favourable light, do with it what you will but for that he's back into my scummy pile.
Lol...I remember your Xatalos case and only thinking one point was even worth considering. And today it's all about analyzing NKs as proof against FF, completely ignoring suspicions of Trfel before he came out with his case, scumreading people for not liking your NK analysis and jumping ship off of KSC which is a vote you were in on when it wasn't gaining much traction for no other reason than you read someone else's case and it convinced you. Not even an explanation as to which part convinced you or why despite being asked multiple times.
You are firmly in my scum circle right now, buddy. Unless you care to clear all this up for me.
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