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On December 14 2014 12:24 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 11:01 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.
This guy has also pretty confirmed me as town ...at the beginning of day 1 -_- I hadn't done much, he doesn't know my scum meta at all. He knows I rekt him last time as mafia. This guy 100% confirms me as town and gb knows it. I made this EXACT same read last game on why someone was town because of mafia giving reads like this and gb overlooked it only to get told off by marv and gb said: Show nested quote +On December 03 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote:On December 03 2014 10:05 marvellosity wrote:On December 03 2014 10:02 Damdred wrote:
Nah I blame myself should of pushed things harder d1 and explained what I thought more I would of been ok, I got really annoyed d1 maybe, but the whole rayn thing was the only reason you got lynched d2, you couldn't have played much better one small bit of advice, make sure you pay attention to what other ppl are saying. main example is you were scumreading superbia and jat? or hf? gave a really good reason why superbia was town based on some stuff rayn did, but you didn't appear to acknowledge it at all in your read of him. This actually is a huge advice to me. I refuse to believe that he has forgotten such "huge advice" in the span of this 1 game. He literally even says that his fucking read on me about froggy is WRONG and a lie!!!!,!! Like wtfh "sorry guys i was wrong about that so yehhh..." "hf still scum though!" Now his analysis is that mafia either voted me or didn't? Puh lease. That guy isn't town.
How is "feels like town hf to me" confirming you as 100% town? Especially as you shot that post down already...
On December 09 2014 09:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.
Do you know how I play as mafia? This seems pretty baseless if you do and even more so if you don't.
I don't get your point on GB.
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On December 14 2014 12:27 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm probably being really thick here, but why does KelsierSC saying that Holyflare is town provide any evidence that Holyflare is town? Couldn't he just be trying to make the town opinion favor his mafia buddy?
this too
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On December 14 2014 12:27 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm probably being really thick here, but why does KelsierSC saying that Holyflare is town provide any evidence that Holyflare is town? Couldn't he just be trying to make the town opinion favor his mafia buddy?
Mafia don't like to contribute their own analysis and so the easiest way to blend in is by calling people town for the shittest reasons. If some town read doesn't make sense at all, like his town read on me, it's almost entirely because he knows I'm town and can just say it. Hence why I called him out on it because it's such a mafia thing to do.
This probably also applies to his read on batsnacks because that was a terrible read at the time and didn't change based on evidence that should have changed the read.
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The thing about gb is that I made the EXACT same read on rayns filter last game and was entirely correct about it. When someone is so sure that it's like someone's town meta but have no logical reasons it probably means they have tmi on that person. Like here.
The quote i linked if you open up the nested is that marv is telling gb that he should listen to other people's reads like that and he replied it was huge advice. Yet, when I show him the exact same type of read that he gained huge advice from last game he's straight up ignored it and still called me mafia (even though he just admitted that his froggy point was wrong which meant half his case was wrong because a lot of it was to do with froggy).
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On December 14 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 12:27 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm probably being really thick here, but why does KelsierSC saying that Holyflare is town provide any evidence that Holyflare is town? Couldn't he just be trying to make the town opinion favor his mafia buddy? Mafia don't like to contribute their own analysis and so the easiest way to blend in is by calling people town for the shittest reasons. If some town read doesn't make sense at all, like his town read on me, it's almost entirely because he knows I'm town and can just say it. Hence why I called him out on it because it's such a mafia thing to do. This probably also applies to his read on batsnacks because that was a terrible read at the time and didn't change based on evidence that should have changed the read.
Circumstantial. It may be a point in a case (and since we know KSC was mafia that gives it a little more credit) but it by no means makes you 100% anything.
Gotta give you my "love", too, HF  You're interpreting what he said in a way that makes you look good. It could also be interpreted in ways to make you look bad. This is not good evidence.
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Yes well you're just going to have to trust my experience playing mafia over your gut telling you that's not right.
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Holyflare, your bit about Kelsier calling you town meaning that you're town is awful.
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On December 14 2014 12:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare, your bit about Kelsier calling you town meaning that you're town is awful.
Gotta go with ObiWanShinobi and rsoultin on this one.
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I'm not trusting your "experience" when it's being used in your own defense. Your experience should tell you why that would be a stupid thing for me to do. I still have a town read on you here, HF, but I'm not going to let weak statements fly as evidence that you're 100% town. Sorry.
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On December 14 2014 12:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare, your bit about Kelsier calling you town meaning that you're town is awful.
It's quite literally not. It also gives me a great read on batsnacks.
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And it's more to attack gb with than defend myself because of his such wildly different responses. I don't want you to focus on me, focus on what I'm saying about him.
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Lol, dude, seriously? You're going to take that as a batsnacks town read over all the things he's actually said and contributed to this game? Wow.
Viva and GB went eerily silent. Guess they don't care to/or can't find a counter. Or they're taking a really long time to bother to frame a response.
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It's actually really frustrating this game to post actual logical content and then people completely overlook it to talk about minor things. Happened all last day with gb's case. Not one of you read my filter at all to fact check him and now you find out his case was actually based on lies that I've told you were lies all along and then you still pick on little crap like this kelsier thing over the better content.
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On December 14 2014 12:50 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, dude, seriously? You're going to take that as a batsnacks town read over all the things he's actually said and contributed to this game? Wow.
Viva and GB went eerily silent. Guess they don't care to/or can't find a counter. Or they're taking a really long time to bother to frame a response.
No? I already said I town read him at the end of my post limit yestersay? It just confirms him on a cursory read of kelsiers filter which is a gold mine.
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Vivax would be a great shot tonight. You gotta shot someone who didnt vote kes. Ive never liked or remembered anything hes said all game.
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Vivax oats froggy. People I dont like that didnt vote keslier. People who should die or step it up
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On December 14 2014 12:31 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Remember my Xatalos case on D1? Well, Kelsier apparently decided to interpret his ambiguous trap play in a way that would stop me from pursuing Xatalos and put what he wrote into favourable light, do with it what you will but for that he's back into my scummy pile. Lol...I remember your Xatalos case and only thinking one point was even worth considering. And today it's all about analyzing NKs as proof against FF, completely ignoring suspicions of Trfel before he came out with his case, scumreading people for not liking your NK analysis and jumping ship off of KSC which is a vote you were in on when it wasn't gaining much traction for no other reason than you read someone else's case and it convinced you. Not even an explanation as to which part convinced you or why despite being asked multiple times. You are firmly in my scum circle right now, buddy. Unless you care to clear all this up for me.
So when Trfel was bats tom scumspect and bats literally begged me to form a wagon on him, but I refused cause in my mind there was legitimately bigger fish to fry, why didn't I do it when he appeared as such an easy lynch?
Easy answer: I'm town.
Or my interaction where I argue for ages with Kelsier, is that scum/scum in your opinion?
Until you clear up these questions I'm not scum. Worst case I'm a townie who's wrong, so tell me where I'm wrong (and weren't you the guy who agreed with me on my Xata case after some talk? Or was it tube)
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On December 14 2014 12:51 Holyflare wrote:
It's actually really frustrating this game to post actual logical content and then people completely overlook it to talk about minor things. Happened all last day with gb's case. Not one of you read my filter at all to fact check him and now you find out his case was actually based on lies that I've told you were lies all along and then you still pick on little crap like this kelsier thing over the better content.
Beginning to annoy me now. I don't consider two people arguing against one another, both claiming each other is scum and/or defending themselves better content. If I can't make a read on you or someone else by looking at what you've done or said independently and have to choose one of you to parrot...I might as well call you both null and call it a day. Or both scum for damn well wasting my time.
Find another sheep and stop pissing me off.
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On December 14 2014 12:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 12:31 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Remember my Xatalos case on D1? Well, Kelsier apparently decided to interpret his ambiguous trap play in a way that would stop me from pursuing Xatalos and put what he wrote into favourable light, do with it what you will but for that he's back into my scummy pile. Lol...I remember your Xatalos case and only thinking one point was even worth considering. And today it's all about analyzing NKs as proof against FF, completely ignoring suspicions of Trfel before he came out with his case, scumreading people for not liking your NK analysis and jumping ship off of KSC which is a vote you were in on when it wasn't gaining much traction for no other reason than you read someone else's case and it convinced you. Not even an explanation as to which part convinced you or why despite being asked multiple times. You are firmly in my scum circle right now, buddy. Unless you care to clear all this up for me. So when Trfel was bats tom scumspect and bats literally begged me to form a wagon on him, but I refused cause in my mind there was legitimately bigger fish to fry, why didn't I do it when he appeared as such an easy lynch? Easy answer: I'm town. Or my interaction where I argue for ages with Kelsier, is that scum/scum in your opinion? Until you clear up these questions I'm not scum. Worst case I'm a townie who's wrong, so tell me where I'm wrong (and weren't you the guy who agreed with me on my Xata case after some talk? Or was it tube)
Agreed on the one point and debunked all your others ^^ That was when you called me a gnat as I recall.
Why did you switch? Which part of GBs case convinced you?
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On December 14 2014 12:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 12:56 Vivax wrote:On December 14 2014 12:31 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Remember my Xatalos case on D1? Well, Kelsier apparently decided to interpret his ambiguous trap play in a way that would stop me from pursuing Xatalos and put what he wrote into favourable light, do with it what you will but for that he's back into my scummy pile. Lol...I remember your Xatalos case and only thinking one point was even worth considering. And today it's all about analyzing NKs as proof against FF, completely ignoring suspicions of Trfel before he came out with his case, scumreading people for not liking your NK analysis and jumping ship off of KSC which is a vote you were in on when it wasn't gaining much traction for no other reason than you read someone else's case and it convinced you. Not even an explanation as to which part convinced you or why despite being asked multiple times. You are firmly in my scum circle right now, buddy. Unless you care to clear all this up for me. So when Trfel was bats tom scumspect and bats literally begged me to form a wagon on him, but I refused cause in my mind there was legitimately bigger fish to fry, why didn't I do it when he appeared as such an easy lynch? Easy answer: I'm town. Or my interaction where I argue for ages with Kelsier, is that scum/scum in your opinion? Until you clear up these questions I'm not scum. Worst case I'm a townie who's wrong, so tell me where I'm wrong (and weren't you the guy who agreed with me on my Xata case after some talk? Or was it tube) Agreed on the one point and debunked all your others ^^ That was when you called me a gnat as I recall. Why did you switch? Which part of GBs case convinced you?
Yes, I would like to know the answer to this, as well as if you still think that Holyflare is scum, and why or why not?
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