EPTTL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells - Page 144
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Here is a list of every reason why I changed my vote: 1. Lack of confidence in my own reads after being wrong on 2/2 big reads in the Student Mafia IV game 2. Confusion over what's happening in the game and being unable to follow everything as carefully as I would like 3. Holyflare is a very strong player and will provide strong arguments against being lynched as either alignment 4. My case on KelsierSC picked up a lot of support very quickly, which I found really weird, since it didn't feel quite as strong as the cases I made in the previous game, and those cases didn't build up much support despite my constant pressure 5. I trusted the reads of veterans like GlowingBear and Vivax over my own 6. I agreed with Vivax that the way GlowingBear was going about pushing the Holyflare lynch seemed towny I could have missed something, but I think that's about it. On December 14 2014 16:23 Holyflare wrote: I don't know how obvious an answer you want but not killing a team mate seems like an obvious one to your statement. Yes, if I was mafia I can see that I would switch votes to Holyflare to avoid KelsierSC, my mafia buddy, getting lynched. But what I cannot see is why I would choose that time to switch. It's basically the worst time for it. Plus, in the event that KelsierSC had avoided the lynch, it cost me the town credit I might have gained (see Vivax's post). Again, it was a moronic thing to do, regardless of my alignment. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Seeing something fly so easily would make me paranoid, too. What you probably didn't notice was a lot of us were actually looking for a better case than the ones people were making prior to your entrance. You had such overwhelming support in part because we all were already willing to switch votes to consolidate and get off the bad trains being brought forward -_- | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
On December 14 2014 15:59 Holyflare wrote: Then when a mislynch opportunity arose you were quite quick to dismiss your entire case on your mafia buddy to lynch me. that makes alot of sense from your pov actually. Ill def remember this if you die and flip town | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Just finished my final which decided to disappear on me and I had to mostly rewrite @.@ Can we call a truce one of these games? lol I actually do like you despite picking on you and your posts so much xP (the vulgarity is just cause I got used to all the marines in my shop...it's just for color, not cause I want to bite -snaps teeth-) Yeah, not sold 100% on trfel, but that case certainly did help, and he's defending himself well from HF lol not a small feat. tempted to call HF growly from here out, but that would probably get confused with GB | ||
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Vivax
22064 Posts
For Trfel: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2014 16:28 Trfel wrote: I never changed my mind about wanting to see KelsierSC lynched. I tried to make that clear when I changed my vote. Here is a list of every reason why I changed my vote: 1. Lack of confidence in my own reads after being wrong on 2/2 big reads in the Student Mafia IV game 2. Confusion over what's happening in the game and being unable to follow everything as carefully as I would like 3. Holyflare is a very strong player and will provide strong arguments against being lynched as either alignment 4. My case on KelsierSC picked up a lot of support very quickly, which I found really weird, since it didn't feel quite as strong as the cases I made in the previous game, and those cases didn't build up much support despite my constant pressure 5. I trusted the reads of veterans like GlowingBear and Vivax over my own 6. I agreed with Vivax that the way GlowingBear was going about pushing the Holyflare lynch seemed towny I could have missed something, but I think that's about it. Yes, if I was mafia I can see that I would switch votes to Holyflare to avoid KelsierSC, my mafia buddy, getting lynched. But what I cannot see is why I would choose that time to switch. It's basically the worst time for it. Plus, in the event that KelsierSC had avoided the lynch, it cost me the town credit I might have gained (see Vivax's post). Again, it was a moronic thing to do, regardless of my alignment. To the bolded: If you switched and Kelsier didn't flip, there would've been no cred to be gained, but you also would have kept a teammate which is way better than cred. Anyway, I don't feel like lynching you any soon since you've been the hero of yesterday, whether you wanted it or not ^^. I took a look at your timing for the switch and well. It was while KSC vs HF was 8 to 6, so you made it 7 to 7, without really changing anything cause the guy who achieves majority first is lynched. And while the lynch was still set on Kels, Obi also came in and put another vote on top. Anyway looking through all this stuff made me notice more of Xatalos stuff being scummy: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ So, here, in spoilers, is the votecount with the last votes: + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2014 07:08 marvellosity wrote: Counting the votecounts KelsierSC (7): liancourt (0): GlowingBear (0): Tubesock (2): ritoky (0): froggynoddy (0): Half the Sky (0): Holyflare (6): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast (3): Oatsmaster (0): Vivax (1): Oatsmaster sicklucker (0): Trfel (1): Currently KelsierSC is set to be lynched. 51m until deadline. On December 14 2014 07:25 Xatalos wrote: b]##Unvote ##Vote KelsierSC On December 14 2014 07:39 Trfel wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare On December 14 2014 07:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ##vote ksc On December 14 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote: The End of Counts KelsierSC (8): liancourt (0): GlowingBear (0): Tubesock (2): ritoky (0): froggynoddy (0): Half the Sky (0): Holyflare (7): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast (2): Oatsmaster (0): Vivax (1): Oatsmaster sicklucker (0): Trfel (1): KelsierSC was lynched! Xata disagreed with GB about HF and thus only had the option of either lynching FF, the scumread he claimed to have, or Kelsier. He did switch at 8 to 6, so assuming he's mafia he had no teammates spare to do a saving switch. Well why is he mafia? Stuff I mentioned earlier: - He townread Kels off the trap play when it wasn't so evident it was trap play at start. Kelsier happily backed up this version and I argued with him over it. Then the later part of my case which I don't remember atm but you can go look it up  New stuff: On December 14 2014 05:30 Xatalos wrote: What's the case on HF really? I wasn't impressed with anything posted against him earlier and I think he said he's now at his post limit... So it'd definitely be the optimal time for a mislynch on him (assuming, which is pretty likely, that there are scum pushing his wagon when it's gained steam so easily despite no good reason). On the other hand, Tube's recent posting has been so crazy and frantic that I can kind of see it coming more from town than scum...... Well, I don't like how he's throwing his vote pretty much anywhere it sticks, but he doesn't look like he cares much for his appearance. That's usually associated with town. I wouldn't lynch SL, HF or KSC now. Perhaps Tube is town too after all. rsoultin, is your case on Trfel basically about his inactivity? I think I'd rather lynch FF than him for reasons previously mentioned. ##Unvote ##Vote Fecalfeast I'll be phoneposting when I can until deadline. On December 14 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote: KSC doesn't even have many votes and besides there are far better lynch candidates. On December 14 2014 05:44 Xatalos wrote: What's your read on FF? He's the biggest alternative wagon to you. On December 14 2014 06:59 Xatalos wrote: Damn I can't really focus well right now. Anyways I looked at the case briefly earlier and I think KSC explained the last point decently during N1. I'll look at it again as soon as I can. I can lynch KSC over HF/SL though if it comes down to it. On December 14 2014 07:25 Xatalos wrote: Well, I can see the appeal in that KSC case. Not sure about the ritoky point on its own since KSC explained that decently I think, but it seems like there's a larger theme of weird read changes during the game for him. It lends credibility to the idea that he's making stuff up. Forgetting several things and making a meta scumread without apparently knowing much about that particular meta. I think it's a decent lynch at least compared to some like HF/SL (and perhaps Tube too). It should also be somewhat telling of FF's alignment so it's not too bad. ##Unvote ##Vote KelsierSC So what we see is that he sets himself up to lynch FF, TRFEL's case on Kelsier happened at December 13 2014 22:06.. Xatalos ignores it claiming first he wouldn't lynch him. Later his argument becomes that there aren't many votes on Kelsier and far better lynch candidates. All while only having FF as visible scumread. He prods tubesock in what I think was an attempt to move his vote onto FF. In the next post, and this is a hammer, he states that Kels explained a part of it decently. But after the aggressive remark from rasputin, he decides -suddenly- that he could lynch Kelsier over the other dudes. When he looks at the case again, it sways him as opposed to last time. When does this happen? Roughly 30 mins before deadline, when it was 7 - 7 and it looked like Kelsier was getting lynched. Xatalos has been very passive and not really been trying to force his point of view about FF. Instead he adapted his opinion about Kels to the opinion of the guys questioning him, and then voted him when it didn't really matter. In summary, I think this is a scumswitch. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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sicklucker
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Vivax
22064 Posts
On December 13 2014 04:00 Xatalos wrote: Out of the current wagons, I think the KSC wagon is the worst. He's made several plays that are unlikely to come from scum (baiting reactions by making himself look bad, suggesting delaying the 27nb lynch when he's next in line himself, etc.) and his posts during N1 seemed fine. The wagon on him also looks all but inspiring (all the voters are sketchy or at best somewhat nullish players). lol | ||
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Vivax
22064 Posts
Out of the current wagons, I think the KSC wagon is the worst. He's made several plays that are unlikely to come from scum (baiting reactions by making himself look bad, suggesting delaying the 27nb lynch when he's next in line himself, etc.) and his posts during N1 seemed fine. The wagon on him also looks all but inspiring (all the voters are sketchy or at best somewhat nullish players). Damn I can't really focus well right now. Anyways I looked at the case briefly earlier and I think KSC explained the last point decently during N1. I'll look at it again as soon as I can. I can lynch KSC over HF/SL though if it comes down to it. Well, I can see the appeal in that KSC case. Not sure about the ritoky point on its own since KSC explained that decently I think, but it seems like there's a larger theme of weird read changes during the game for him. It lends credibility to the idea that he's making stuff up. Forgetting several things and making a meta scumread without apparently knowing much about that particular meta. I think it's a decent lynch at least compared to some like HF/SL (and perhaps Tube too). It should also be somewhat telling of FF's alignment so it's not too bad. I mean, look at this. The guy he first calls the worst wagon, is suddenly someone "he can lynch" before he even reviewed the KSC case. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On December 14 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote: If that was so obvious for you, why didn't you intervene to disrupt the discussion abou SL and ritoky being mafia? If that was so obvious, why didn't you say I'm likely to be town for that, considering I am been scumread a lot? I did. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 14 2014 18:21 Vivax wrote: I mean, look at this. The guy he first calls the worst wagon, is suddenly someone "he can lynch" before he even reviewed the KSC case. Vivax, he was a worse lynch than ritoky or Tube, not worse than HF. Besides, by the end of D2, ritoky seemed better (considering the present analysis) and Tube looked better (his frantic deadline posting). Also I only said that I'd lynch KSC over HF before reading the case fully... Which had been my stance all along. You should really put a bit more effort in your arguments. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
GlowingBear: Been trying to lynch HF since end of Day 1 and made a poor case of HF being scum Tubesock: Called me and sicklucker the most obvious town players mafia with little evidence and scum slipped earlier in the thread on how many mafia there is plus been acting scummy since Day 1. Oatsmaster: Totally off his game and wouldn't comment much at all and seemed scum because he normally would his points clear no matter what time of Day or Night to make sure a case is good and give clear direction which he didn't do this game. | ||
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