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meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
December 01 2014 13:23 GMT
#1541
I'm still here. If things keep going the way they are I'm going to have to vote to keep myself alive. I'm not opposed to a vote on LS anyway. Best shot imo.
Be excellent to each other.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 01 2014 13:24 GMT
#1542
On December 01 2014 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
NEVER MENTION MODKILLS.
EVER.

Just dont. Its out of game stuff.
Never do it.
In any game you play.


Am I breaking any rules by mentioning this? This is a serious question. Because I think I actually did break the rules once this game. (Hint: Rasputin/Breshke already drew attention to it.)

Otherwise, I'm confused. Is there a general rule I'm not aware of? Kush would have been modkilled D2. This is not a new issue this game.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
December 01 2014 13:25 GMT
#1543
On December 01 2014 22:22 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, so now it's time to be newb and need help.

"hammer" - does that mean vote? cause "hammer" sounds negative lol

And I am reading the damn timestamp right this time, right? We've got more than 24 hours left?


Hammer is the vote that sets it to lynch. And yeah over 24h (48 h days)
Be excellent to each other.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2014 13:25 GMT
#1544
I had a quick read of Ls filter and realized he didn't make a single read on day 1 and voted dicksmash not because he thought he was scum but because rsoultin reassured him it was a very low chance to hit a power role. After this first day he talks more about being scared which fits is more excuses for him not making or pushing reads which is scummy in my eyes.

I did make a couple of posts of my reads Day 1 and here is proof.
1.
On November 25 2014 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 13:00 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back from playing Pokemon Trading Card game with some friends and went to a late dinner at Red Robin so sorry about my activity T_T
Breshke just seems to be mad at sicklucker for what happened in our previous game :O
Batsnacks lost his mind or he is scum trying to go after kush but kush didn't post anything just yet so I don't got a read on kush.
Oatsmaster is town in my eyes as he is being very constructive on the agenda for Day 1.
Are we allow to sleep on anyday because I remember in my last game we had slept for 1 day and I wondering if we are allowed to becausee personally I don't think Day 1 lynching is a good idea because of possible afks or just having horrible reads.

What else do you think?
And whos scum?

I think Trfel is just a new town player because his post although giving answers to why he scum reading HTS. Also he followed up to clarify his post thoughts from his previous post from Page 10 and is trying to give a good reason for his reads. HTS seems null as his actions seems questionable on his post about Breske and sicklucker policy lynching but he also said he was new to TL mafia so maybe it just his lack of experience in TL mafia just showing up now. rsoultin seems to be scum as his posts were not much content but then again it was our very first day of the game so the reads not be good at the moment as he posted very little.

2.
On November 26 2014 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia).

You can't say I didn't do reads Day 1.
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 01 2014 13:29 GMT
#1545
Rasputin, I'm going to take this from the mass Wiki:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hammer

A hammer is a vote on someone which results in the majority needed to lynch them. Once the hammer vote is placed, the game moves into Twilight until the mod posts the death scene. The player who has been hammered is considered beyond salvation as of the moment the hammering vote has been placed; barring the influence of a role like a Governor nothing will stop them from getting lynched. Many mods allow hammered players to post in Twilight but some do not.


A Quickhammer (sometimes seen as QH) is a technique (usually) used by scum to secure a lynch by hammering a player before anyone can react.

These are most notorious for winning the game in LyLo situations. If one Townie votes another Townie, theoretically all of the living scum can pile onto the wagon en masse and secure the game-winning lynch. However, this can be done in other situations as well in a move to cut off the Town's discussion as the game moves to Night after the lynch.


Also mylo and lylo to clarify - I know we covered it before, but again:

MYLO - Mislynch and lose
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mylo

Mislynch-and-Lose, or MyLo, is a game state where the Town will lose if it mislynches during the present Day phase. This is different from LyLo in that LyLo requires the Town to lynch correctly, whereas in MyLo the Town is still afforded the opportunity to No Lynch without forfeiting the game (though this generally makes the next Day LyLo).

While the opportunity for No Lynch is available in MyLo, whether it should be done is a different question. On the upside, by refusing to lynch the Town may be able to give its investigative roles another chance to work their magic. On the downside, if the Town has already massclaimed or if there are no roles that can make use of the Night remaining, opting not to lynch will simply give the scum a free kill on the Townie who is most likely to help the Town lynch correctly at LyLo.


Lylo - Lynch correctly or lose
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=LyLo

Lynch-or-Lose, or LyLo, is a game state wherein the Town must lynch scum during the present Day phase or they will lose the game (often by being endgamed by scum). It is also called Lynch-right-or-lose.

It is generally easy to tell when a game is in LyLo because there will only be one more Town player alive than the number of scum. For instance, if there are five players alive and two of them are scum (thus three of them are Town), the game is in LyLo. This can be adjusted for the presence of multiple killing groups, but the premise remains the same.



The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 01 2014 13:29 GMT
#1546
Oh >> Then yes I did do that lol. Should regret it but since anyone being lynched day 2 was most likely town...don't really. Was kind of confused. Only switched to kush because didn't like the unexplained/weak scum reads on hts. So I thought they were saying I was really pushing him hard or something with that word. "hammer"

Sad that most of my EoD voting is usually not liking the other vote more. Reminds me of Presidential elections...

"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 01 2014 13:30 GMT
#1547
Ya another odd spot where you and bats dont mention each other. Who did you vote d1 again?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 01 2014 13:36 GMT
#1548
On December 01 2014 22:30 sicklucker wrote:
Ya another odd spot where you and bats dont mention each other. Who did you vote d1 again?


Lol, SL...circular reasoning dude. I didn't like that in Damdred (HTS is bad cause SL is bad cause HTS is bad), and I don't like it here. Sides, he left me off too. I seem to recall being left off several lists early game.

Felt unloved ;o; Though I was being a bit of a sarcastic ass too so that's okay lol. No one has to love me.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
December 01 2014 13:40 GMT
#1549
On December 01 2014 22:36 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2014 22:30 sicklucker wrote:
Ya another odd spot where you and bats dont mention each other. Who did you vote d1 again?


Lol, SL...circular reasoning dude. I didn't like that in Damdred (HTS is bad cause SL is bad cause HTS is bad), and I don't like it here. Sides, he left me off too. I seem to recall being left off several lists early game.

Felt unloved ;o; Though I was being a bit of a sarcastic ass too so that's okay lol. No one has to love me.


I'm sure oats loves you. Oats loves everyone.
Be excellent to each other.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 01 2014 13:53 GMT
#1550
heh, you posted reads, meat, but you obviously hadn't read the EoD part of the thread when you did, nor the night part. You got anything for us now?

okay, I know i'm tired. oats loving everyone made me think of sowing oats.
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 01 2014 13:59 GMT
#1551
On December 01 2014 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
okay, I know i'm tired. oats loving everyone made me think of sowing oats.


Deary me, between that and the fact you were posting a few hours before, makes me think you were up all night your time. Or at least way too early or stayed up way too late.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
December 01 2014 14:04 GMT
#1552
On December 01 2014 22:25 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
I had a quick read of Ls filter and realized he didn't make a single read on day 1 and voted dicksmash not because he thought he was scum but because rsoultin reassured him it was a very low chance to hit a power role. After this first day he talks more about being scared which fits is more excuses for him not making or pushing reads which is scummy in my eyes.

I did make a couple of posts of my reads Day 1 and here is proof.
1.
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 25 2014 13:00 LightningStrike wrote:
I just got back from playing Pokemon Trading Card game with some friends and went to a late dinner at Red Robin so sorry about my activity T_T
Breshke just seems to be mad at sicklucker for what happened in our previous game :O
Batsnacks lost his mind or he is scum trying to go after kush but kush didn't post anything just yet so I don't got a read on kush.
Oatsmaster is town in my eyes as he is being very constructive on the agenda for Day 1.
Are we allow to sleep on anyday because I remember in my last game we had slept for 1 day and I wondering if we are allowed to becausee personally I don't think Day 1 lynching is a good idea because of possible afks or just having horrible reads.

What else do you think?
And whos scum?

Show nested quote +
I think Trfel is just a new town player because his post although giving answers to why he scum reading HTS. Also he followed up to clarify his post thoughts from his previous post from Page 10 and is trying to give a good reason for his reads. HTS seems null as his actions seems questionable on his post about Breske and sicklucker policy lynching but he also said he was new to TL mafia so maybe it just his lack of experience in TL mafia just showing up now. rsoultin seems to be scum as his posts were not much content but then again it was our very first day of the game so the reads not be good at the moment as he posted very little.

2.
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:
I was just wating for more posts to get some better reads that why I haven't posted much because there was really much for me to ready. I still waiting for alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock, and Meatpudding to post.
My reads are atm the following
Town: Oatsmaster, sicklucker, Damdred, kushm4sta, Trfel
Null: Half the Sky, Breshke, Alakaslam
Scum: Dicksmash McIroncock, Meatpudding.
Dicksmash didn't post anything after his first post for the day and Meatpudding is either trolling us with the stuff he posted earlier or he scum but time will tell.
Alakaslam at least gave a good explanation for his posts.
Breshke gave a explanation on why he voted for sicklucker
Half the Sky made some decent posts but it reads null in my eyes but I still kind of new to TL Mafia (2nd game in TL mafia).

You can't say I didn't do reads Day 1.


Point one the only read you made was trefel town which was fairly obvious.

Point two is a lsit with hardly any justification.

The fact being you didn't vote dicksmash because you thought he was scum did you? you voted him because people said voting no lynch was a bad option.

Also SL if you want to ping people out for not mentioning people why hasn't LS mentioned Bats in his point 2 above. it was the only player he has left out. i agree with oats while mafia can tend to not make reads on eachother town can just as easily have nothing to say on someone or just forget.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 01 2014 14:05 GMT
#1553
eh jet lag + holidays means my sleeping schedule is way wonky. that and I worked nights for almost 2 yrs straight and it takes very little (like time zone changes) for me to slip back into that. so yes...been up way too long lol. so gnite folks
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 01 2014 14:10 GMT
#1554
Rasputin, that's brutal. Get a good rest, that.

Lightning, do you have any explanation for why you voted the way you did EoD D2? Can you expand upon the first part of your first vote (the bolded part)?

On November 30 2014 06:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay rsoultin stuff is now not making sense after reading stuff that bats wrote on him and what Hopeless wrote on him and kush would not be a good lynch today so I suggest we go after rsoultin since he voted on me I guess it's time for my move.
##Unvote
##Vote rsoultin


On November 30 2014 06:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Roger Bats
##unvote
##vote: Half the Sky


The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2014 15:03 GMT
#1555
On December 01 2014 23:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Rasputin, that's brutal. Get a good rest, that.

Lightning, do you have any explanation for why you voted the way you did EoD D2? Can you expand upon the first part of your first vote (the bolded part)?

Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 06:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay rsoultin stuff is now not making sense after reading stuff that bats wrote on him and what Hopeless wrote on him and kush would not be a good lynch today so I suggest we go after rsoultin since he voted on me I guess it's time for my move.
##Unvote
##Vote rsoultin


Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 06:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Roger Bats
##unvote
##vote: Half the Sky



For voting you
On November 30 2014 05:58 batsnacks wrote:
Okay

Show nested quote +
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-

Not scummy. Voting someone who is trying to policy lynch you is a pretty reasonable response... you seem to think so too.

Show nested quote +

- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post


Asking a question isn't scummy. Neither is not reading the thread. Either alignment can ask questions, either alignment can miss something in the thread.

Show nested quote +
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke

It was scummy. omgusing is usually scummy.

Show nested quote +
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted


Kush changing votes is not scummy, especially if he gives reasons when asked. Giving reasons when asked is actually townie.

Show nested quote +
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)


Arguing for who you think is town is not scummy.

Show nested quote +
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks


Kush gave those reasons BEFORE damdred's train.

Show nested quote +
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)


Not providing reasons for reads is bad.
Show nested quote +

- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats


So what? You're just paraphrasing what happened. This isn't a reason.
Show nested quote +

- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town


Kush voted me because I was policy voting him. I unvoted kush, which is why kush voted me. Therefore kush no longer has a reason to vote me. This is a perfectly logical procession of events.
Show nested quote +

- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)


Yeah this is scummy.

On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all.

Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer.
On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.

Has yet to do so.

Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.

I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.

As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.

Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.

You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...

And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.


And you conveniently left out the context for the list...

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.

Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?

that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats


Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that.


So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?

On November 30 2014 06:40 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2014 06:38 rsoultin wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all.

Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer.
On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.

Has yet to do so.

Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.

I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.

As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.

Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.

You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...

And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.


And you conveniently left out the context for the list...

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.

Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?

that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats


Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that.


So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?


Bats, gonna dropkick you again. The post that you edited parts out of is about kush being scum. The list that you chose to quote without the rest of the post was what content I could glean out of the 3 pages of posts in his filter at the time of the post.


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On November 30 2014 06:02 rsoultin wrote:
For clarification, bats, that actually wasn't a list of scummy behavior. That was me going back through his filter to find what little content was in it. My main issue with kush is that he has so little content, and he was claiming he wouldn't be playing for the rest of the day.


The first post on it by bats was convincing enough for me after reading it over and the last 2 posts were the cherry on top for you to be scum. If meatpudding turns out to be scum then there is a large chance you are scum with him. I swap to HTS because no one was chaning their vote to you so the next best lynch to do to save kush was HTS but htat failed.


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Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
December 01 2014 15:04 GMT
#1556
EBWOP
On December 02 2014 00:03 LightningStrike wrote:
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On December 01 2014 23:10 Half the Sky wrote:
Rasputin, that's brutal. Get a good rest, that.

Lightning, do you have any explanation for why you voted the way you did EoD D2? Can you expand upon the first part of your first vote (the bolded part)?

On November 30 2014 06:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay rsoultin stuff is now not making sense after reading stuff that bats wrote on him and what Hopeless wrote on him and kush would not be a good lynch today so I suggest we go after rsoultin since he voted on me I guess it's time for my move.
##Unvote
##Vote rsoultin


On November 30 2014 06:58 LightningStrike wrote:
Roger Bats
##unvote
##vote: Half the Sky



For voting you
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On November 30 2014 05:58 batsnacks wrote:
Okay

- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-

Not scummy. Voting someone who is trying to policy lynch you is a pretty reasonable response... you seem to think so too.


- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post


Asking a question isn't scummy. Neither is not reading the thread. Either alignment can ask questions, either alignment can miss something in the thread.

- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke

It was scummy. omgusing is usually scummy.

- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted


Kush changing votes is not scummy, especially if he gives reasons when asked. Giving reasons when asked is actually townie.

- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)


Arguing for who you think is town is not scummy.

- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks


Kush gave those reasons BEFORE damdred's train.

- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)


Not providing reasons for reads is bad.

- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats


So what? You're just paraphrasing what happened. This isn't a reason.

- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town


Kush voted me because I was policy voting him. I unvoted kush, which is why kush voted me. Therefore kush no longer has a reason to vote me. This is a perfectly logical procession of events.

- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)


Yeah this is scummy.

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On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all.

Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer.
On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.

Has yet to do so.

Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.

I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.

As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.

Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.

You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...

And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.


And you conveniently left out the context for the list...

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.

Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?

that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats


Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that.


So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?

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On November 30 2014 06:40 batsnacks wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:38 rsoultin wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:27 batsnacks wrote:
On November 30 2014 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, thank you for telling me my own intentions. I'm certain that you're the expert and all.

Before I posted that list. Note the bolded portion or ignore it, if you prefer.
On November 28 2014 17:56 rsoultin wrote:
Sure, I can. The reason I started asking Bats and Damdred all those questions today (which apparently isn't proactive, but whatevs) was I found it very strange, Damdred's hyper-focus on HTS at the beginning of the game. SL repeatedly said that HTS questioning Breshke's intentions for voting him and apparently trying to determine alignment only gave him a slight scum read. Damdred kept battering at it, getting way more aggressive than necessary, then stated very clearly (and I quoted this earlier) that he had a scum read on HTS. Yet he claimed today that this wasn't the case and he was only trying to get SL to rethink things. I called him on it, he says he's got a reason (buried somewhere and not related, apparently, to the first part of the thread which is when he first mentioned the scum read) but would "dive" later to find those things.

Has yet to do so.

Bats I actually said was reading neutral for me at the moment. The policy-lynch on kush was eh, whatevs, can see why he might and it mirrors what Breshke did, but he seemed to jump on the HTS scum wagon, too. He says now that wasn't the case, and his posts half-support that because earlier he did clarify to say that he could see why someone might read HTS as scum, not indicating whether he actually did or not. Don't like the contradiction on voting kush though. He said he changed his vote after kush posted, but in reality he changed it to you before kush appeared in the thread.

I still find Damdred more scummy. That's why I've continuously mentioned it being weird to vote bats to determine if Damdred is mafia. One, I really doubt that they both are, because man they've backed themselves into a corner if they are and I like to think people are smarter than that.

As far as kush is concerned, I don't see him contributing that much. He asks a lot of other people for reads, true...majority of his posts were helping to push dicksmash, though. The main thing for me, however, is I actually have to go through his filter to remember a single thing he's really said. Which means nothing he's done was significant enough to get my attention, while I can remember details about most of the rest of you just fine.

Meatpudding...was just so off the wall. Beginning of game jokes, has to be prompted to contribute, the random digression on lynch policies mid-read on HTS, his general AFK stuff. Still say the guy's lurking. I was clear about the 24 hours in question being between when he asked someone for reads and when he posted his Marry/Bang/Kill list, and he says he posted a half hour before. Which he clearly hadn't. I'm looking directly at the filter. The list itself was just names, had to be prompted for explanations. The storm is legit enough, sure, but why was he AFK that long before? A different timezone does not equate to a 24 hr absence, and he dodged the question. Between him and slam, I've more reason to vote him because there's something off there.

You, Oats...to be honest I'm not reading you as scum but at the same time I wouldn't at all be surprised if you did flip scum. You really do have this nasty habit of focusing in on only the details you want to see. You've jumped on half my posts before, asking questions where the answer was in the word right next to it...

And maybe your definition of proactive is different than mine, but I think trying to narrow down scum by looking for town reads isn't useless.


And you conveniently left out the context for the list...

On November 29 2014 14:42 rsoultin wrote:
Kush says d1 is enough to "prove" him town. Which...not really sure the thought process behind anyone claiming that because I view everything as fluid.

Nevertheless, a pop through his filter reveals:
- first post nothing but a vote on bats. but bats had policy voted him, so -shrugs-
- asks me why I said bats and oats were "scummiest", claiming I provided no reasoning when it was right in the post
- tells breshke sl is scummy for "omgus"ing breshke
- changes vote to damdred for tone and bad defense of "shit pushes", only giving reasoning 30 minutes later, after he's prompted
- gets into argument with oats in bat's defense for the HTS read (argument lasts 1 post)
- jumps on dicksmash train led by damdred (what was that before about shit pushes?) presenting evidence of "nitpicking" and "white knighting", votes dicks
- calls sl bad at the game for not providing reasons for his reads (nother pot calls kettle moment given his earlier vote on damdred)
- says again in all caps that dicks should be lynched day 1, two separate times in all caps, followed by a list of scum 5 ppl long (including Damdred in 3 spot, so again, why jumping on that train?) and defends bats some more, also citing one of the reasons to push dicks is because of his scum read on bats
- says lets lynch bats (sarcasm, maybe?) then turns right around and says he's not bussing, he's only defended bats after dicks flips town
- repeated comments he won't be able to do anything today and so scum wins (with this much time left before EoD?)

less concerned about him obviously closing ranks with bats, and more about the train on dicks with "scum" damdred and his "shit pushes". why vote for what you think is a scum-led push?

that and that there was all the meat (I encourage you to filter dive yourself) he had in 3 pages worth of posts...not a lot of anything but pushing dicks and backing bats


Now, y'all can waste a lynch on me if that's what you want, but don't tell me what my intentions were while editing parts of my posts out xP I will call you on that.


So is that post about why kush is scum or not because you've contradicted yourself 3 times in the last 3 posts?


Bats, gonna dropkick you again. The post that you edited parts out of is about kush being scum. The list that you chose to quote without the rest of the post was what content I could glean out of the 3 pages of posts in his filter at the time of the post.


On November 30 2014 06:02 rsoultin wrote:
For clarification, bats, that actually wasn't a list of scummy behavior. That was me going back through his filter to find what little content was in it. My main issue with kush is that he has so little content, and he was claiming he wouldn't be playing for the rest of the day.


The first post on it by bats was convincing enough for me after reading it over and the last 2 posts were the cherry on top for you to be scum. If meatpudding turns out to be scum then there is a large chance you are scum with him. I swap to HTS because no one was chaning their vote to you so the next best lynch to do to save kush was HTS but that failed.



Fixed a error on spelling.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 01 2014 15:21 GMT
#1557
On December 01 2014 22:24 Half the Sky wrote:
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On December 01 2014 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
NEVER MENTION MODKILLS.
EVER.

Just dont. Its out of game stuff.
Never do it.
In any game you play.


Am I breaking any rules by mentioning this? This is a serious question. Because I think I actually did break the rules once this game. (Hint: Rasputin/Breshke already drew attention to it.)

Otherwise, I'm confused. Is there a general rule I'm not aware of? Kush would have been modkilled D2. This is not a new issue this game.

no, but its not like an in game mechanic so dont talk about it.

But dont do it ever.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 01 2014 15:22 GMT
#1558
I have no comment on LS' posts.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 01 2014 17:38 GMT
#1559
What even are birds?
Blazinghand *
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United States25552 Posts
December 01 2014 18:05 GMT
#1560
Vote Count

Meatpudding (4): batsnacks, LightningStrike, Breshke, Hopeless1der
LightningStrike (4): rsoultin, sicklucker, Oatsmaster, Half the Sky

Not Voting (1): Meatpudding


Currently, Meatpudding is set to be lynched. Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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