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On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta.
1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother.
2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town.
3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta.
Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta.
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Also, very poor play to claim vigi and right after claiming being healed, narrowing roleblock targets.
I should also add that it's bizarre that Rayn says he was shot AND healed. There is nothing in the OP that says that the healed person receives a message, when the OP clearly states that the roleblocked person receives one.
What was the message Rayn have got? "You were shot but you were healed"? Lol
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On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta.
It's meta because I do it every game?
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On November 24 2014 00:06 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta. It's meta because I do it every game?
I'm confused. Are you trying to say that this isn't alignment indicative because you do the 3 stated things every game?
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On November 24 2014 00:09 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 00:06 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta. It's meta because I do it every game? I'm confused. Are you trying to say that this isn't alignment indicative because you do the 3 stated things every game?
Yes, but only #s 1 and 3.
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On November 24 2014 00:14 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2014 00:09 GlowingBear wrote:On November 24 2014 00:06 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 23:57 GlowingBear wrote:On November 23 2014 14:27 The_Templar wrote:On November 23 2014 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, in case I die, take a look at Templar too.
I feel he is coming from a town perspective but he has some weird traits:
1) he is too passive, as pointed out by other players, specially rayn
2) I've just played a game of 1 hours with him where I was mafia and he read me as town. It bothers me that he isn't hesitating into reading me as town now (he seems to believe I'm town since my opening)
3) he (and VE) were incisive when I "breadcrumbed" being a vigi (I said I was sure liancourt was going to die tonight on purpose, to look like I was breadcrumbing being a vigi, and this way I take the shot, as I'm self aware that I'm not one of the most insightful players right now and I'm may not be because I'm having a busy month). When they saw it, they started to ask questions, which felt they were looking for blues, instead of just shutting up.
That's it. Kthxbai 1) Meta, not much else to say 2) I am hesitant... I just haven't expressed it as much as I've been thinking it. I don't want to risk discussing all of my reads with you at this point because of that. 3) Soft claims as obvious as that one are bait for me. I will always ask questions when you make a statement like that, also meta. 1) Not meta, we are talking about your overall gameplay in this game, not anyother. 2) You have no reason to not share it with the thread as, as you can see, town is very disorganised and any contribution is valuable. You weren't hesitant with my opening. You said I was locked in one certain theme but that I was town. 3) Again, I'm not talking about other games of yours. I'm saying that it is suspicious that someone, at night, locks on a breadcrumb like that. Not meta. Meta is saying that you're playing like our newbie game together, which you are. This is meta. It's meta because I do it every game? I'm confused. Are you trying to say that this isn't alignment indicative because you do the 3 stated things every game? Yes, but only #s 1 and 3.
The one hour game was different because there was actually no time to get anything done, so I tried to take action.
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Why would you berate me all night and part of yesterday for not throwing all of my reads out their and now you say you are to hesitant to discuss all of your reads now?
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On November 24 2014 00:21 Damdred wrote:
Why would you berate me all night and part of yesterday for not throwing all of my reads out their and now you say you are to hesitant to discuss all of your reads now?
I'm hesitant to discuss them with GB.
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Are you scum reading GB? Why does it matter as long as they are in the thread?
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On November 24 2014 00:29 Damdred wrote:
Are you scum reading GB? Why does it matter as long as they are in the thread?
Null and I don't know what your second question is asking.
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Ok. Basically why are you hesitant to discuss them with a null read to see if you can determine their alignment.
Also the thread could discuss them so why hold back
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OK, I have a usable meta read on SL now that Campus mafia has finished, so now I'm re-evaluating what I think of him.
As town, he was extremely confident in how town he was, and basically used that "fact" in order to make cases and form reads. He also pretty much ignored WIFOM to do this.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 07 2014 05:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2014 02:47 sicklucker wrote:
I think sentinal would be a better lynch then ima. He was who I ment when I think there were better targets earlier. He seemed so active in this game before I entered but since I have been I think hes posted once or twice. Hes the likely leader for alot of the mafia teams as he seems more experienced.
I feel like he went mute because he was caught in a bad spot because of kelsiers high risk high reward play and he doesint think hes on the chopping block yet or has just given up.
I think its more likely imma is a bad town then sentinel is a bad town. Maybe someone whos played with him before can give us more ok I misread your message so disregard the second part. Actually the fact sentinel saved cricket from the vote is very town to me Because I know im town. Im gonna have to take another look at sentinel Sentinel where are you???! (Note: he replaced Cricketer12) On November 08 2014 04:01 sicklucker wrote:
lol now that was an acual "slip" even tho im town are watcher or medic should come out On November 08 2014 05:03 sicklucker wrote:
Im not a good lynch today . Right now in both your mind im just this solo arrogant bad guy but you cant peice together any logical team mates for me because im town. On November 11 2014 09:29 sicklucker wrote:
I think if breskes or another longshot is mafia he wins even with 3 lynches. He will just leave serejai me and elvis as the towns and they will just off me.
Infact theres 0% chance I dont get mislynched if this game goes on and I know im town so we really only have 2 chances to hit mafia in this game from my perspective.
I think this next lynch is very important ff and this is not the auto win your making it out to be, but then again you dont belive im town so.. On November 11 2014 15:00 sicklucker wrote:
So something we can go on is who do you think, would think that serejai is the medic? Because thats are last mafia. Im sure whoever was deciding who to block is are last one left since kush and sent didnt care about this game.
I know this is gonna get turned on me but im bringing it up anyway (because im town) but who do you think woulda thought serejai was the medic on day 2 and 3? Give a reason.
Im thinking he was targeted because he pushed me for something I said about the medic.
The list goes on. He also defended himself by saying "I would never do X if I was mafia so I must be town" in various ways. So basically, he based the entire game on him being town and actually took action based on this.
He also read players based on their actions based on their reads instead of commenting that these actions should be looked at by other people. So, his thoughts, however bad they might have been, were at least out there before he asked for opinions, at least when the people he was commenting on were talking about him in some way.
Now, let's look at this game.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2014 20:49 sicklucker wrote:
Holy this is my first day one. Im giving my first reaction reads because im trying to help. Im sorry if there not up to your standards. Try to see that im trying with my inexperience I could lurk all day and no one would care. On November 22 2014 07:02 sicklucker wrote:
The templars defense has stepped up some, I always sheep rayn its what I do im easily the newest player in the game. That being said his reads after his first 2 I liked really sucked. Sheep mode off On November 22 2014 08:36 sicklucker wrote:
Glowingbears reason for voting me over his top scum (ve) is because he wants to get out a lurker. Ive had a slow start im not gonna make excuses but feel free to look at my filter in my other on going game. Im not a lurker I post ALOT probably too much. On November 22 2014 14:01 sicklucker wrote:
FF why did you vote me anyway. I basically played the same this game if anyone here knows im a standard terrible town its you... On November 23 2014 07:44 sicklucker wrote:
GB is a mafia in so many worlds. He voted for 3 towns or 2 if you dont believe me
As you can see, his play has been completely different. He seems to suddenly not confirm he's town all the time, but instead keeps pulling the newbie card. Since he barely did this at all in Campus, it's very suspicious that he would suddenly lose all confidence in his town play as town.
He did not re-evaluate for any of the first four after the previous game ended as those four posts were before Campus mafia LYLO was finished.
So, my belief is that he has been playing completely differently than how he played in Campus at almost the same time, and is therefore a different alignment.
Additionally, I agree with a lot of this case by Damdred, which is a decent scum read on SL.
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On November 24 2014 00:37 Damdred wrote:
Ok. Basically why are you hesitant to discuss them with a null read to see if you can determine their alignment.
Also the thread could discuss them so why hold back
I didn't realize people would be discussing anything
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Nah, templur.
You're probably mafia after this.
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Oh!
I forgot there is this Rayn too 
VE sorry but you do nothing (better than arguing with the rage of butthijole). But Rayn has won my vote on GB
Nonetheless GB retains skill, his SVENGALI has me feeling like he is a friend 
I have no paint so vote will wait but I am here
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Hmm but neither does Templar seem a fool.
I shall consider these things.
But then, does not Rayn AND VE scumread tehtemplar?
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Rayn fite me
Y do I b so SKUMMI 4 U
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On November 24 2014 01:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Hmm but neither does Templar seem a fool.
I shall consider these things.
But then, does not Rayn AND VE scumread tehtemplar?
Well
Rayn scumreads you.
What do you think of Rayn claiming being shot and saved?
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Kind of makes sense.
It could be fakeclaimed but if he did, medic could immediately know he was scum
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On November 21 2014 08:04 The_Templar wrote:How common is sheeping Rayn? I haven't actually seen many of his games. Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 02:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok so we are discussing obs qt posts?
Because that's not very accurate instrument to catch mafia. Opinions change from game to game. The solidest proof of what I'm saying was damdreds case on me on Hearthstone. He read me scum for having different opinion from the one I had on FFL 2 mafia, and I was town in both.
Bring me something solid and constant, and thread-only. Reads differ from obs to thread because there is a difference on pressure. I like this post the most, and it's why I don't like meta-reads. People do change ideas, methods of playing, and the players they are playing against (and their opinions of them), sort of every game. I prefer to stay only inside the thread, so I'm ok with most of the reads on me so far. (Although I have a pretty obvious style of play as both mafia and town that I refuse to/can't change). While this isn't particularly relevant, it's how I am viewing the game which is probably important if Rayn fails to lynch me today. Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 06:01 GlowingBear wrote:On November 21 2014 05:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Chezinu following the Chezinu Rule is pretty townie Chezinu imo. Anyone disagree? Like yeah, he could do it as both alignments...but if you assume he's mafia then what do you think that means about Hopeless? And why does he unvote Hopeless only to vote sicklucker if he's mafia?
Anyone disagree with my line of thinking here? Like, if Chez is mafia then the assumption is that Hopeless is town (based on Chez voting for him), so Chez voting for sicklucker (also presumably town for Chez vote) doesn't make much sense if he's mafia. It doesn't really make sense from any perspective other than Hopeless/Chez mafia, which if that's the case then why does he vote for him in the first place?
For the moment I'm going to go ahead and say that I'll never lynch Chezinu today. 1st Paragraph) it's easier for mafia to follow a rule (or policy) than actually putting thought on the game. Following rules seems to be more scummy than townie to me. I can't understand your insistence in calling Chezinu town. I also don't understand why you say that Chezinu is probably town and then assumes it's a null tell right after and justifies calling him town using associative reads. Are you calling him town for using a rule or because you're doing associative reads? These are two different sources of read. Unvoting hopeless to vote sicklucker is a null tell. 2nd) Unflipped association. Lol. I prefer to think this way: "can this be done by a mafia? Is it more likely, less likely or equally likely to do as mafia?" And my answer is Yes and Equally likely. 3rd) For the moment or you're never going to lynch Chezinu? VE, you simply repeated your idea on both first and second paragraph. Your writing style doesn't look fluid, but fabricated, full of hesitation ("does anyone agree?" " for the moment I'll say I'll never lynch him) Meh, I found this post horrible. Not much to say other than I completely agree with this post. I like how Rayn completely disagreed, and then read it again and suddenly agreed. What the hell did he misread in order to change his opinion that much? Show nested quote +On November 21 2014 06:19 GlowingBear wrote:On November 21 2014 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i misread something.
That post from VE is a big pile of ???????????????????????????????????????
VE, wtf? LOL NO. Explain this post (this is the equivalent of getting being a 6 year old getting called to the principal's office) I don't understand this picture. And no there is no vote count.
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