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Here is what I think happened at night. 1) the scum do not have a role blocker. If they did, it is likely it would have been used on me in order to prevent the mod confirm from going out giving them a free mislynch on day 2. 2) I think the Vigi shot LT. The posts at he posts at the start if day 2 give me that feeling based in the remorseful ness of a few players. 3) I think the scum used their shot in Alaric in hopes of the protect not being there. 4) Cop checked soniv or ghandi. We'll have to wait and see but one of these two turned up red. After all that, Coma, owb and Alaric need to post and they need to post now. | ||
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On October 14 2014 11:37 Cixah wrote: Guilty of what ghandi? I was just mid confirmed to be town. I've always been town facing yet you've done nothing relevant to the game at all. Here is what I think happened at night. 1) the scum do not have a role blocker. If they did, it is likely it would have been used on me in order to prevent the mod confirm from going out giving them a free mislynch on day 2. 2) I think the Vigi shot LT. The posts at he posts at the start if day 2 give me that feeling based in the remorseful ness of a few players. 3) I think the scum used their shot in Alaric in hopes of the protect not being there. 4) Cop checked soniv or ghandi. We'll have to wait and see but one of these two turned up red. After all that, Coma, owb and Alaric need to post and they need to post now. Another word of advice to newer players. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle Put simply the most likely scenario is by far the simplest. LT was shot by scum. I don't think innocent child can even BE roleblocked. No sense in speculating on cop checks or medic saves if we even have them. | ||
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onlywonderboy
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On October 14 2014 10:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Now You're assuming me blaming you at all is a post attempting to make you mad. This was the case in the first 24 hours. This was not the case after that. "If youre not helping town youre against it." And with that attitude you will have lost four townies before even getting on the right track. Don't be an idiot, we need a good lynch tonight. My last post in OT before my read post in Maf thread was over 5 hours ago. And they were throwaway posts I was able to add in between classes. I have no idea how that reflects on my circumstances. You're clearly trying to go for my throat here, but you also ignored my question while in 5 minutes being the first to respond to LT's death. It was immediately with a vote for me, quick and dry. It was also a massive flip from who you were suspecting earlier. I don't know how this isn't completely suspicious to some people, but frankly Wave is playing you guys. Maybe not because he's scum, but he's wrong and posting inconsistent things combined with claims that aren't actually supported. Oh and he either ignores all my questions, or sweeps them aside in order to keep the target pointed on me. Not sure how he takes Wave's textbook definition of good mafia play and turns it into a negative...Also he goes onto trying to make reads once it's clear discrediting Wave isn't going to work. On October 14 2014 11:10 GhandiEAGLE wrote: + Show Spoiler + Gonna hold off voting Coma for awhile, it doesn't really trigger any discussion. He's more of a fallback if nobody gains traction. Asmo been super lurking as well, he says he's going to post something soon-ish tho so I'm holding off there too. Alzadar really shaped up his posting recently, I think he's trying to prod people into talking. If anything he's being almost too guarded in his questions to people. Maybe to keep suspicion off of him? Will watch that. As of right now hes town to me though. Cixah is clearly guilty. No other possible conclusion. Also OWB is really escaping a lot of notice here. Clearly hes just more lurky than Coma. But seriously, that's suspect as well. Req says town to me from his posts, I dont see anything sinister, just struggling to adjust to the game at the beginning (I can relate). Wave, I think you're completely wrong, and your arguments make little sense (or just none at all), but I think you have good points said in your defense, and that's enough to put you right around where Soniv is on my scumscale. Asmo is still my #1 suspect because of the shittypost-bandwagon-lurker combination, but again, he says he's gonna post soon, so I'll give him some breathing room. Alaric and Ketchup are pretty clearly town to me. They have long, thoughtful posts that, while not always correct or well-reasoned, steer us into good discussion and prevents us from tunnel-visioning (except that one crusade Ketchup had about Wave). Wave also seems really desperate to vehemently defend himself when his livelihood is even slightly threatened. But im still holding off. I don't feel like he really made any sort of useful insight despite the length of his post. I can basically sum up the entire post saying lurkers are scummy and people that contribute aren't scummy (unless you are Wave). Also we already criticized Req for just putting out a list of thoughts on everyone (although maybe he didn't read that post :p). So in general I'm just not a huge fan of his play so far into Day 2. That said it's early and I'm not locked into this vote. I've mentioned my suspicions of Asmo before so I'm interested to hear what he has to say once he gets back into the game. | ||
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ComaDose
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GhandiEAGLE - jumped on moonbear train without much explaination and stopped talking cause he was only hurting himself. wants to lynch wave, claims vanila townie. was also feeling pressure from our other dead townie. Alaric - wasn't solely convinced but was swayed by asmo to vote for moonbear if i read correcly ketchup - saw moonbear as obstacle whether he was mafia or not AsmodeusXI - leaned toward alz and moonbear whole time switching to moonbear to confirm kill, claims vanilla townie. jcarlsoniv - excused his actions before it even occurred but didn't seem to put much pressure on anyone other than moonbear (and maybe alz) and ultimately carried him to his death Cixah - townie wave, req, mordek, and alz, used their votes not for one of the major two. and owb voted no lynch. it seems reasonable that there is scum among those who voted moonbear. we have 2 confirmed vanilla townies and 3 people claiming vanilla townie. that sounds like a reasonable number considering we have probably 3/14 mafia but im not sure how it usually breaks down. id say jeff is my number one most likely scum. but i recall lord tolk said newbs who are mafia are usually not so troll-y and i have not forgiven soniv so easily. | ||
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ketchup
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On October 14 2014 11:37 Cixah wrote: 1) the scum do not have a role blocker. If they did, it is likely it would have been used on me in order to prevent the mod confirm from going out giving them a free mislynch on day 2. In the interest of having more information for town. I can tell you that I was role blocked night 1. So there is a role block power flying around out there. I'm unsure why they used it on me. From a town perspective, it doesn't make sense to use it on me. From a scum perspective, it probably does, but impossible to speculate properly. I mean it probably shouldn't be said, but just in case, I don't want to know who did it if it's town. --- I kind of don't like the Ghandi push. I didn't like it day 1, and I don't like it now. Aside from the first few trolly/one liner posts on Day 1, he hasn't actually hurt town. I might even had a part to play in him being taken off the bandwagon that was forming by wave+tolk on day 1. I don't think a potential ghandi + scum crew would kill tolkien after tolkien kept pinging out Ghandi repeatedly. It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure people can go into various scenarios, but it won't help anything. The only reason Tolkien wanted to lynch ghandi was to clear himself + wave(a lesser bit). Now that he is dead, there's very little reason to vote for Ghandi that will help town in the long run. If tolkien wasn't killed, I would have followed the ghandi wagon, but I don't see it how it helps us now. --- I still think Req is playing oddly. I have no idea why he voted on ComaDose. He never even pinged out ComaDose in those information posts he made. He did ping out Alaric as seeming scum, but he hasn't actually done anything about it. Req has yet to vote on someone he actually thinks is scum, and is happy to ride the bandwagons. Also I found this interaction between Req and tolk interesting: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2014 04:20 Lord Tolkien wrote: Touche. But that doesn't carry over into mafia. I find the evolution of your thread voice...interesting. It's not 100% anything, but it was interesting to me. I think tolk could have gotten behind my Req vote. This interaction was also more interesting than his interaction with Ghandi. I also found Req's reaction to tolkien showing up as town as bad as Asmo's earlier on: + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2014 09:25 Requizen wrote: I am bad at reads. On October 14 2014 11:08 Requizen wrote: There are 11 of you left. There are at least 3, possibly 4 of you trying to kill me. And I have no idea which ones. --- Asmo hasn't talked since the night cycle. Well that's not true. He posted once, and then stopped. I was waiting for him to talk about Soniv with Wave, but he never did. I think I would like to see a lot more from Asmo. Asmo has yet to respond about his night post he made after the lynch was set even though multiple people have spoken about in this thread. Right now, I would vote Req or Asmo. --- Lastly, between Wave and Soniv, I feel like Wave tunnels and Soniv pockets people. Of the two, despite my posts, I find Wave to be more town orientated than Soniv. I find Wave has done multiple things to help town solve the game and occasionally, he lines up with what I'm thinking. Whereas Soniv has actually shut down quite a bit in this game, and is not really useful for town. I also find Soniv's pocketing to be a lot scarier than Wave's tunnel vision. I think a lot of Soniv's posts have been attempts to pocket people with him. It doesn't seem like town play the way he does it. I really think Soniv is a good vote as well. + Show Spoiler [pocket plays?] + On October 14 2014 07:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: Y'know, I come out of Alzadar's filter actually thinking he's more townie. There were some posts I remember that I thought were surely scum leaning, that register to me differently this time around. Example: First time around, the first part of the post seemed odd and sheepish to me - reflecting what I said earlier about him saying things to satisfy the thread. But before this post, he put Wave at probably town, and so this reads more as someone who is collaborating with someone he kinda sorta might trust a little bit. Also, the second part exemplifies another quality of his general posting. He's been talking about setup stuff here and there (a fair amount of it earlier on), and usually it's not very productive or helpful and often distracts town. But rereading, he asks coherent questions that apply to the game flow, they show that he's invested in the goings on and is paying attention (despite backwards canadiansgiving). His filter comes off with more of a town vibe than I expected it to. It did remind me of two things as well. 1. The IC claim was at a really weird time. That's right, I'm lookin' at you 6ah. I really hope that confirmation comes through or D2 is going to be very boring lol. 2. I want to take a look at Ket Chup. He's someone who I haven't really noticed even though I know he's been posting quite a bit. He will probably be my next focus. the mistress This parrots Alzadar and pockets him. On October 14 2014 10:13 jcarlsoniv wrote: Eh, if you were really aiming it at my head, you'd be aiming it at my head. You dropped that case quick, and you were so unbelievably excited. Meh, I don't mind looking bad if Jeff dies. We get to kill Jeff and mafiascum. He really easily pockets Wave here. Wave has kinda dropped his Soniv accusations for Ghandi. On October 12 2014 06:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yeah I'm not quite following either wave. Why would it be a problem to ask MB his reads - I would love to see him come to an actual conclusion as well. This has no context since soniv didn't quote my post, but I think he tried to pocket me, so I turned around and voted on him the first time. For context: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468739-tllolotgdtm?page=22#440 This might be just being friendly, but it could also be some weird interaction between the two. Either Soniv pocketing or Req/Soniv swagging on us if they are scum together. Just looking at the above, I think soniv is really good at getting people on his side or in his pocket(I'm sorry I picked up the word). The only reason I'm not there is because I've been suspicious of him since he tried it with me early on. I think it's worth to point this out about soniv. In fact, the current bandwagon on ComaDose started from Soniv, and unsurprisingly, the people who he has in his pocket voted alongside him within minutes of his initial post. I don't think this bandwagon on Coma serves any good purpose. One person on Coma was enough, but this quick 3 vote post is crazy. + Show Spoiler + On October 14 2014 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote: Jeff, actually the majority of your posts the entirety of D1/N1 boil down to this: "I think Wave is scum. But nobody is voting him so oh well I guess I'll vote someone else". There's some things about MB and why you put your vote where it is, some stuff about ketchup, but your first 72 hours of game is just bleh. This is a really shitty post. Keeping your cards close to your chest is ok, but you had done literally nothing up til that point. Even Req got his reads out there, albeit poorly - you hadn't contributed anything. That said, I'm not so convinced on you after rereading the filter. So for now ##unvote ##vote ComaDose On October 14 2014 10:59 Alzadar wrote: I actually like the Coma call better than Ghandhi. He's #1 lurker with less than a page filter and most of it is just vague questions. Let's see what the man has to say. ##Vote: ComaDose On October 14 2014 11:15 Requizen wrote: Whatever, I'm going to do this: ##Vote: ComaDose Either: a) You are scum and deserve it or b) You'll actually post a decent amount during this day cycle instead of getting drunk and screwing a moose I would vote Soniv. I really still think the interaction between Req + Soniv needs to be looked at by someone other than me. | ||
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On October 14 2014 05:12 Lord Tolkien wrote: No protection for me 6ah? Muh heart. indeed why did they want him killed!? i believe he was suspicious of the pushback onto moonbear after he tried to save him like he said! | ||
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WaveofShadow
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WARNING: LONG This post may be useful to read, but it's also helping me get my own thoughts in order so while I would suggest reading it in its entirety, I can sum it up later on. On October 14 2014 11:59 Requizen wrote: LT was killed by scum. Either his reads were good or they did it to screw with people. Neither of those can be determined at this time, so game continues as normal, for me it's just D1 again. Little if any information was gleaned - MB was killed by a mob half for being inactive half for posting nonsense. LT was killed by scum for indeterminate reasons. This is not true. We learn a great deal from voting patterns. (And as far as LT goes I believe scum were afraid of protection on higher priority targets, but that's just speculation) Let's start with a short example. On October 13 2014 00:12 ComaDose wrote: ugh hmmm im not sure what to do. ##vote GhandiEAGLE sorry jeff This leads me to believe that it is highly unlikely that Coma and Jeff are scum together. Coma wasn't around at all and wouldn't even necessarily BE around for the lynch---to drop a vote on your scum-mate and risk him being lynched for it is either shit tier play or really ballsy (and possibly team-angering solo scumplay. Being coma's first there is no way this is what he did). Not only did he just drop a vote on Jeff before the wagon really got going, but there was NOBODY ELSE on Jeff at the time. Now moving onto the MB crew. I'm going to analyze the biggest wagons of the day to see if anything interesting pops up. On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote: y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBear You can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.brendazguiberson.com/images/books/moonbear-b.jpg) Here's the first vote. Basically takes my reasoning for finding him scummy and uses it. Absolutely nothing wrong with that; he took a step that I wasn't sure I was ready to take at the time. On October 12 2014 18:56 Lord Tolkien wrote: Right. It's no longer yesterday, and town clearly needs to be saved from drowning. So. Good thing I don't put in effort until the second half of D1. Town Hero Mode ACTIVATE Confirmed Town Swaglord Tolkien: The towniest of towns. Anyone who wants to lynch him is the scummiest of scums. 6ah: Random early Innocent Child claim. Confirmed town until D2: if no innocent child post, clearly scum or anti-town. So until that unlikely scenario, JOIN ME 6er in confirmed town glory. Not Quite Confirmed Town, maybe a nice shade of minty green: NOT ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK D1 Sonib: Equally frustrated by the "lel I'm VT" and "lel I'm nub" trend in this thread. Wav: "let's lynch the guy with the longest filter! HAHA! Best play NA!" Additionally, I see no point in lynching any "vets" D1 when they have actual filters to read. UNLIKE SOME PEOPLE COUGH COUGH HACK HACK GAG GAG. These are no lyncherino until later on. Besides, they'll probably be shot by mafia if they're town anyways, as I highly doubt a non-Sonib/Wav/me mafia would try to pull an epic WIFOM attempt and try to leave them alive for LYLO + Show Spoiler + (note, I tried to do this in my scum game [keeping the vet alive for LYLO for an easy mislynch], but I'm confirmed town here [also it got ruined by a next-to-last day cop claim ruining my lynching/shooting pattern]) mordek: I like him. Him response to the 6ah random early Innocent Child claim is townie to me. I want him to be more decisive with his reads on other people, but I'm townpiling him for now. Also mordek, unvote 6ah right now. Alaric: Also sold on Alaric for now. Very pro-town set of posts, but also lacking decision for now. Perhaps nubishness. ketchup: Same as above: going the right direction. Null/scummy Alzadar: His filter is very forgettable for me. Outside of the attempted "how many games has everyone played" post (which is also grossly inaccurate). Doesn't mention me at all besides in response to my direct corrections to his errors, despite my first-half D1 being literally trundle. Seriously, anyone who wasn't considering me a viable D1 wagon is probably scum (or bad town who could also be axed if we don't find scum today) Old Jeff: trolling about as hard as I was, and that's an achievement given how hard I was trolling. Nulling him for now, actually despite everyone scumreading him. I think his behavior makes sense for D1 and is fine. But not townsided as yet. Asmo: Aggressiveness is not a scum tell lel. In fact, given this is TL mafia, it's usually the opposite (I've been listening to vets moan about how TL scum players just lurk and get killed because it boosts their win percentage by getting auto-town reads). In any event, scum DON'T want to be confrontational unless they're caught and need to defend themselves. Scum play tends to be more passive and "lurky", since the goal for scum is to survive. Also, overall find your post pretty meh, so still null. Most "towny" of this list, but w/e, not happy with that post. Either mafia newbs or scum, I Can't Tell MoonBear: Either his continuous attempts to discuss blue roles is a sign of newbishness, or a bald-faced (newbish) scum play. Can't tell which. Given this is a newbie game probably the former but eh. Also, MoonBear makes a gigantic post that can be summed up in like 5 short sentences. "Is Wave WIFOMing? I don't know. Host-Player WIFOM. Let me badger for roles and stuff again. Also I think Alzadar, sweglerd, and Req are weird." See MoonBear? Wasn't that simpler and easier to write? Req: He's flailing around the noob card so hard, I'm surprised his arms haven't fallen off. And spending his time saying "wagh I don't like that you guys are trying to play mafia wagh". I give free passes for that in newbie games, but you're overusing it so hard right now, it sounds like you're just scum trying to use it to excuse everything. Also: I said I'd kill JEFF out of principle. I said I'd kill Wave because vengeance for making me bald and because he was being uncharacteristically Un-Canadian when he tried to club Also: This is basically a live mafia level play that I would do. Hint: Storr ends up policy-lynching me D1 everytime I go "whatever, I'm town and screw you all, you'll see when I flip". Why? Because it's a terrible defense and you clearly don't care about the game (which is true everytime I do it in live: gotta watch dem smash and LoL games). As I carry myself much differently in forum and live mafia, I'd say lynch him for the attitude alone. Bunch-o Lurking Voyeurs OWB: Apparently lurking is his meta. Would lynch if only because it means he'll likely be useless in following days and will be harder to read with less posts. ComaDose: In a coma. Or drunk. Or both. Then again he just posted so... Also, about as bad as Req in pulling the "hi im new" card. Also, wat. My brain is all WOOSH. I cannot contain this illogic. Two people putting in effort to find scum doesn't mean they're working together. wat Anyways, NO MORE NOOB CLAIM PLOX. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/301748-a-general-guide-to-mafia read this instead of complaining (REQ...) I'd be pretty happy with a MoonBear wagon right about now. Otherwise a policy lynch of Req or a lurker would suffice. ##Vote MoonBear Next comes Tolkien's vote. This one is based on the rationale that he seems more like scum feigning newbiness than actually having no idea what to do. Decent assumption, but obviously wrong (this is why I said early game that using the noob card to read people always fucks with me). The timing of the vote comes directly before the wagon on himself begins to form. Because we've seen him flip but also due to circumstances, at this point we know the vote is not to save himself. Alz then votes Tolkien, stating his only issue with the vote is that Tolkien is currently on MB. On October 13 2014 02:21 AsmodeusXI wrote: Fair points. I don't like your trolly crap, but I'm pretty sure you're town. MB get back here and give me a reason not to kill you. In fact. ##Unvote ##Vote: MoonBear I'm more on this train than Alz at this point. Asmo is next. This vote looks real shitty because he's barely talked about MB at all (Alaric jumps on HIM for this and forces him to post further)---he then clarifies with a pretty decent post actually On October 13 2014 03:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Sticking with Moonbear because I feel bad about no-votes, but I'm not 100% convinced. ##Vote: Moonbear Now THIS vote is interesting. The votes are at 3-2 in favor of MB dying I believe at this point. Jeff offers barely any rationale to his vote but jumps on the strongest bandwagon at the time. Tolkien then jumps off, having re-evaluated his read. I then jump on Tolkien, mordek follows suit before I've posted my reasons as to why I'm not voting MB, and tolk switches to Asmo. TO make things slightly less confusing here's the next votecount: On October 13 2014 06:40 Dandel Ion wrote: Vote Count MoonBear (4): jcarlsoniv, Lord Tolkien (2): GhandiEAGLE (1): ComaDose (1): ketchup mordek (1): Lord Tolkien WaveofShadow (1): Cixah (0): Alzadar (0): jcarlsoniv (0): AsmodeusXI (0): Requizen (0): No-lynch (1): onlywonderboy Not voting (3): MoonBear, Cixah, WaveofShadow, Currently, MoonBear is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in Remember that voting is mandatory. The wagon on Tolk is all but dead after Req switches off to me (permanently), Alaric re-evaluates his deal with Asmo, Tolk does the same. It seems like MB might be going down. Here Tolk and I have a fun little moment where we analyze the voters currently on MB and decide the wagon doesn't look good. Too small and there's a couple sketchballs on it and other people have votes all over the place. We start talking about lurker lynch and I suggest Jeff, and vote him. On October 13 2014 07:05 ketchup wrote: Why does a ghandi bandwagon make more sense than comadose? Especially when comadose is already on the Ghandi bandwagon? Some resistance from ketchup. Particularly interesting if Jeff flips red, as this would probably clear coma too, meaning ketchup was pushing a mislynch here. This is all monster speculation here so best if that's dropped for now. Not 15 min after I vote Jeff and Tolkien says he'll probably jump on as well, this happens. (also a little wish-wash from Req where he agrees that Jeff is bad but says he's njot scum even though he thinks he should die) On October 13 2014 07:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote: What I cant be watching a Seahawks game? Geez tough crowd I'll talk more when it's over THEN the modkill discussion begins. The timing of this is interesting. Ketchup suggests we all move our votes to MB, not knowing if he will come back or not (at this point he assumes he doesn't.) The scum motivation for this? We waste our votes. More interestingly however is the fact that states it's because he doesn't want to lose two townies, which on it's own makes sense from a town perspective, but consider the fact that a rapid Jeff wagon was forming. This could have been a way to keep the mislynch alive and save a potential teammate. This is all pre-flip association and can't be taken at face value...yet. I just want to get it out there because I think we need to flip Jeff today. ANywa back to votes. LT and I both dislike the idea of throwing a vote away; we want to lynch scum and risk the doubletown loss (I later realize there'd be no way MB gets modkilled---even if he didn't show up you almost always get a warning first for not voting...plus he's the equivalent of a newbie so it'd be kinda shit hosting of Dandel but whatevs). Soniv however agrees with ketchup On October 13 2014 07:26 jcarlsoniv wrote: actually, i'll do it now ##unvote On October 13 2014 07:31 AsmodeusXI wrote: This sucks. I don't want to lynch a townie, but in lieu of a better argument for WHO to lynch (even if that argument is in the form of an RNG function... though I'm not in favor of that on principle) I gotta stick to my guns. MB's showed no evidence he's town and provided no good reasoning or opinions for anyone else. What he has done is post a bunch of weird, unclear stuff. That smells like scum. This post is fucking terrible in context because he doesn't even address the modkill aspect of what's happening with the voting right now, just that he's gotta 'stick to his guns' even if MB is town? Asmo plz. At the very least the others made that excuse AFTER the lynch. Back to votes: MB switches for self-preservation, LT switches. Then this: On October 13 2014 07:39 ketchup wrote: You aren't a mod, stop trying to dictate how this game goes. Until a mod comes out and tells me this isn't allowed, I will definitely keep posting about it. The mod kill discussion was 100% legit because of this random ass move to jump on the ghandieagle bandwagon started by you, and followed by Tolkien. This moonbear jump on ghandieagle bandwagon is hilarious. ##Vote: MoonBear Rather than stick to his own guns on lurkers (Coma) he specifically votes MB to spite the Jeff wagon. Asmo flip flops a couple times going from Jeff back to MB after they each posted. I switch and vote MB after being swayed by Jeff. THEN soniv revotes after everyone else has finished their shit, I vote Asmo, 6ah drops the hammer on MB and that's all she wrote. And looking back at it now even if I had switched onto Jeff and convinced 6ah it would have been 5/5 and MB still would have been lynched so I don't feel QUITE as bad. I think everyone should re-read LT's filter because stuff that I was questioning him for even at that time---now you can really see the town motivation shining through, and the pushback against what he was trying to do. Ketchup is a huge culprit in terms of the voting shenannies that happened around that time. I've given him a townread for a long time, but I've shown the scum motivations for what he tried to do and his switch onto MB. I'm not ready to change my read of him yet but I think people should look into it and comment and let me know what they see. Another important thing to note about voting patterns is scum like to spread themselves out. It doesn't normally happen that all scum pile on to one target trying to get him mislynched so I may have to do some re-evaluation as basically everyone I've named as possible scum was on MB at the end of the day. If I'm right on Jeff then I don't think both Asmo and Soniv can be scum, and even then I don't know if ketchup and one of those two can be scum either. /ramble over [big][b]TL;DR We learn a great deal from voting patterns---we'll learn even more and be able to make some associations if we lynch Jeff today, who already looks pretty damn shitty. | ||
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I voted 6ah now because my top scum vote died and was VT. I don't have confidence right now and am more interested in seeing Coma participate than I am trusting my own feelings atm. | ||
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